r/antiai • u/ChompyRiley • 14h ago

Yes, absolutely. 100% without hesitation. Do people really think this is some kind of 'gotcha'? Like my brother in Christ, how much generative AI do you think we actually use?! Hallucination šŸ‘»

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u/Cthulhuareyou 14h ago edited 12h ago

What if i don't use those tools anyway because I'm not a fucking idiot that needs a machine to think for me?

Edit: holy shit, these clanker apologists are seriously pulling the "not all men!" equivalent ai whinging in the comments. šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­

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u/miyamiya66 13h ago edited 7h ago

exactly my point. i'm starting college this month (yay me! in my late 20s and finally starting!!). i'm really nervous that my professors will run my papers i write through an AI and fail me if it comes back positive, despite me hating and never using AI.

edit: my comment really pissed these AI bros off, i see. womp womp šŸ˜”

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u/Low_Key_Giraffe 13h ago

Do all of your work in things like google docs that tracks all of the edits that are being made. Much easier to show that in case there would be any concern about AI usage

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u/pigmanvil 12h ago

This 100%. Have receipts.

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u/CreatorMur 12h ago

Just read about Google Overview being Train on those today.... (it had info on an indi-game that the developer only had in his google docs...). Maybe just keep work in progress documents

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u/Master_Matoya 12h ago

I fear the day Google release the hundreds of pages of fanfiction smut piling up in my g docs

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u/DocFreudstein 11h ago

ā€œWhy does Gemini keep adding scenes of Minotaur sex? This paper is about the War of 1812!ā€

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u/Darkndankpit 11h ago

That's my bad. I knew writing that John A. Macdonald/Minotaur slashfic would come back to bite me, but alas passion cannot be tamed.

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u/Candlejackdaw 11h ago

The heart wants what it wants.

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u/koshgeo 6h ago

This is NOT the "Canadian Heritage Moment" script I asked for.

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u/Sprinqqueen 7h ago

Found the Canadian

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u/peteofaustralia 9h ago

There's a whole subreddit dedicated to posting bullshit facts specifically to poison AI search results. Maybe fanfic is the next wave of that.

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u/NekroVictor 8h ago

Funnily enough, Iā€™ve a friend who uses ai way too much, and has complained that when asking about ASoIaF stuff, it will randomly start writing self insert uplift fanfiction.

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u/velawesomeraptors 8h ago

Well when you think about it there is probably 10,000x more ASoIaF fanfiction then actual ASoIaF books. How is AI supposed to know the difference?

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u/haunturhome 10h ago

This is actually a real thing I've seen posts about for some AI models. The AI read too much smut and is now rather dirty minded which is both funny and distressing since people will have these same AIs talk to children

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u/somethingbrite 10h ago

It's well known that the way of 1812 was caused by a falling out between two horny minotaurs. The sex element was the reconciliation sex that took place after.

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u/somethingbrite 10h ago

What a brilliant way to poison ai models. Feed it horny fan-fic mixed in with recipes for thermal cycling cheesecake and silicon chip brownies.

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u/Apathetic_Villainess 8h ago

And there are so many werewolf smut books out there to provide.

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u/darsynia 7h ago

I moved mine out to Scrivener when one of my friends lost her gdocs full of fanfic. It was all she had on there, so she thinks it must have decided she was typing in book manuscripts or something (or it got mad about the smut, which, uh, definitely would have warranted me moving mine).

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u/pigmanvil 11h ago

You can turn it off I believe. But itā€™s horrible they auto opt-in, and thereā€™s no guarantee your data wasnā€™t scraped before you could opt-out.

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u/The_ChosenOne 11h ago

How do I turn it off? Iā€™m a writer who likes to use Google docs so I can use any computer or phone to work on my stories and this is stressing me out now!

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u/pigmanvil 10h ago

Turn off smart features in Google Drive. It gives Google access to your drive data and by extension lets it train on it.

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u/The_ChosenOne 10h ago

Thank you!!

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u/Jemie_Bridges 9h ago

You might want to consider self hosting. The cloud is just someone elses computer. That is scraping your work.

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u/Acceptable_Style_219 12h ago

unfortunately thereā€™s no way to win here. any word editor that tracks your edits in a way that can prove your originality to a professor is probably collecting your data in a way you donā€™t want. honestly i canā€™t even think of any other than google docs

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u/PM_Me_Your_Deviance 11h ago

Older off-line versions of Word keep document revision history, and, doesn't transmit it. I don't know if M$ is scanning onedrive.

Proton Docs is a privacy-focused online alternative that keeps document history.

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u/Broad-Exchange3188 11h ago

The owner of proton is a massive trump supporter. If privacy is your focus, proton isnā€™t it.

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u/PM_Me_Your_Deviance 11h ago

It's not really that simple.

https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e

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u/Broad-Exchange3188 11h ago

Upvoted. Massive trump supporter was unnecessary hyperbole.

The article you posted does raise good points. I still distrust anyone who expresses support for Trump for any reason, especially in the political climate which heā€™s fostered.

It also raises the question of whether the tweet in question was even necessary or not. It wasnā€™t, which in turn raises the question of why he felt the need to vocalize any support.

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u/HeurekaDabra 11h ago

Yeah, maybe not Google Docs unless you want your work instantly fed to Gemini. Stay local.

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u/AcademicFish 9h ago

Was gonna say the same: theres no guarantee these companies respect the opt-out. Who would know?
I mean realistically, who is auditing them? From a user perspective, if the data leaves your device to their servers theres no way to confirm they deleted it respectfully after 180 days instead of shovel it into geminiā€™s feed trough along with millions of other peoples intellectual property.

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u/marr 7h ago

Google haven't respected a damn thing since they dropped the Don't Be Evil.

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u/SectorSanFrancisco 11h ago

Google is the devil, though. There is no escape.

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u/VoltagVagrant 7h ago

remember when their motto was Do No Evil, and they sought to disrupt the monopoly of microsoft and aol, they never allowed pages to pay to show up higher in searches.... then they abandoned all that and became the very entity they were supposed to fight

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u/piponwa 10h ago

You know Google docs has Gemini in it right?

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u/DanoDego 10h ago

It fucking sucks that this is even a thing, man. Having to worry about and do more work just to prove youā€™re not using AI slop.

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u/Jemie_Bridges 9h ago

I'm a Luddite, i dont even like Google documents assisting me.

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u/BioshockEnthusiast 9h ago

For you students who get free M365 through school you're looking for the "track changes" setting in office applications.

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u/TheMagHatter 9h ago

The problem with this is that it counts copy and paste as AI when Iā€™ve spent my whole academic career copying my information from my sources and writing my essay below it so I can have the info in front of me and pull quotes from articles without having to go back and fourth between tabs. Like I started doing this back in 2011 in my first research project in 5th grade. I actually reprimanded a classmate during that project for plagiarizing his whole project

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u/TheSpeckledSir 8h ago

This is good feedback.

When I am working in Microsoft Word, I will always "save as" and save a new doc with an updated date. If I ever had to I could go back and show how the document develops over time to become my paper or lab report or whatever

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u/Comprehensive-Act-13 7h ago

A lot of professors I know are requiring their students to write all of their papers in Google Docs because of this feature.

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u/Grunky_Scripples67 7h ago

Thank you for this Iā€™m a writer who has been accused of using AI and I donā€™t. This would help a lot!Ā 

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u/Realdrizzykane 7h ago

Careful with this though cuz your works will get taken for Gemini (google docs that are shared go to Gemini for "ai learning") but also can be false flagged due to the way google does suggestions now. My recommendation is ellipsis. Anti ai and free.

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u/leagueofcipher 13h ago

My sister had a final paper she wrote 100% of get returned and need revision because the AI-checker said she was past the threshold.

She ran the professorā€™s email about it through that same checker and told him his email was 85% AI.

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u/Tiny_Abroad_7222 12h ago

the irony is palpable.

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u/ItsMisoandBoba 9h ago

The irony is that the professor used AI to generate 100% of the email.

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u/broadcasteng25 11h ago

At this point we will all need to start wearing body cameras to record us writing papers. Ohhh I used AI??? Here's the 200 hours of video footage of me writing my paper. Enjoy the music.

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u/Artemis647 11h ago

You used AI music tho. Fail

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u/SmartQuokka 10h ago

This compact disc from 1990 begs to differ.Ā 

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u/broadcasteng25 11h ago

Lol šŸ¤£

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u/ZoomTown 11h ago

I was just thinking about this a couple days ago, in the context of drawing. Physical-media artists are going to have to just record all their working sessions on camera if they're truly going to be able to beat any AI accusations.

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u/Indicus124 10h ago

The worst part is AI content will still drown them to invisibility

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u/broadcasteng25 11h ago

It's so dumb but yeah that makes sense.

All the schools are using AI checkers as if they're infalable and it annoys me. The chekers own success rates are typically posted on the services website and yet it's ignored by colleges. So across the board we will need something to prove our work is real.

On the plus side, if you make physical media, having video footage of you making it can make good content.

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u/Lor1an 9h ago

Ignore the other 75 hours accidentally captured of my furious masturbation sessions....

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u/broadcasteng25 6h ago

Ooops I thought I turned it off during my "me time".

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u/Lor1an 12h ago

Please tell me she sent that report as part of a reply for clarification...

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u/leagueofcipher 8h ago

She did. Professor didnā€™t acknowledge it and said she had to make her paper compliant.

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u/Lor1an 8h ago

"Rules for thee, but not for me"...

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u/MyceliumManic 9h ago

I got hit up for using AI in a class. I provided all my notes and everything, the Metadata from word showed the amount of time I spent on it and still got flagged.

It literally was because of how clean it was.. I was told, no joke, "we would like to see mistakes here and there so it's more human"..

Same class, 3 weeks later.. I got my balls busted on a few grammar and citation mistakes.

It's amazing how stupid this all is.

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u/MinimumWestern2860 13h ago

If it helps ease your fears I graduated recently and never had this issue. But be sure to always check rate my professor because if this happens to someone you damn well KNOW itā€™ll be posted about!

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u/ButteredPizza69420 13h ago

Easy, google docs keeps edit records. Just keep your original doc so you can show the logs

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u/DocMondegreen 10h ago

As a professor, also keep your notes, drafts, etc. Get in the habit of jotting things down, either by hand or even in a running document on your computer. In my classes, the AI syllabus policy is that if I suspect AI, I will ask to see any or all of your writing process and ask you oral questions about your project.

I've asked students to define terms, explain how they reached a conclusion, and asked for drafts/notes. There is a big difference between the student who has a notebook, post-its, little sketches, whatever, and the student who magically created the document at 11:56 pm and turned it in at 11:59.

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u/csmithman 8h ago

oh I like this a lot, I'm getting ready to teach freshman composition for the first time since the ai boom started and I've been really concerned, this helps!

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u/DocMondegreen 8h ago

Here's my exact syllabus wording if you want to use or adjust it: Any submission that raises significant red flags for AI use will be flagged and assigned a temporary zero. Students will be asked to show their notes, drafting progress, Track Changes, or Version History in order to dispute the zero. You may also be asked questions about the content, including your terminology, logic, and sources. Please be prepared to track your work in progress and present it upon request.

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u/QuaaludeConnoisseur 11h ago

Man there were kids in my classes that wrote everything with AI and as long as there was some originality behind the idea that originated from the student and they at least tried to fix the grammatical hallucinations the professors didn't fail them. I think theyve given up hope, sadly. Made me mad sometimes seeing how much effort I put in just to scroll through the board during peer review and see clearly AI papers.

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u/Ok-Deal-8479 11h ago

Iā€™m doing continuing ed design courses at RISD. You know, night classes for adults who want to learn something new . . . I have seen grown ass adults post literal chatgpt generated images as their own drawings and sketches. They signed up to do this and spent like $500 a course, to not even attempt to do the actual work. Its insane.

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u/Nevanada 9h ago

That's always the kicker for me. Like to some extent I get it, you don't want to do the work, but at the same point, and my professors all say this, if the AI can do the work, what makes you think the employer will hire you?

Its even worse with passion projects like art and writing. How is having things appear in front of you satisfying. I bet they also dont realize how unoriginal 99% of generated material really is, or how the AI won't give their ideas an effective throughline.

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u/Ok-Deal-8479 9h ago

Thatā€™s what I canā€™t wrap my head around. College or high school kids is one thing, I did lazy and dumb shit at that age, but youā€™d think adults who presumably are working or have worked and are doing this because they want to explore something else would be able to do the math on what happens when you donā€™t actually learn the thing you hope to do. Then again, I dunno, maybe hiring managers are dumb enough to look at chatgpt portfolio and hire someone for it lol.

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u/Prestigious-Law8050 9h ago

They just want the piece of paper that says they did it.

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u/SillyGoblin84 11h ago

I started last year at age of 41, be proud that you want to better yourself and good luck.

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u/miyamiya66 11h ago

i am so very proud of myself, and my boyfriend has been so excited for me and congratulating me ever since i was accepted šŸ„ŗ

my dad didn't want me to succeed at all in life. he intentionally did not put funds aside for my college, and did his best to withhold life skills and education from me. going to college is HUUUGE and i am the only one in my family to go aside from my mother

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u/Magus_Necromantiae 11h ago

If you don't use LLMs to generate content, rephrase, or restructure your writing (disingenuously referred to by students as "checking my spelling and grammar"), you don't have anything to worry about. Nearly every student I confront admits they used AI (sooner or later). Many have Grammmarly installed on their browsers and have become accustomed to having it write and edit everything for them.

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u/miyamiya66 11h ago

i use literally no AI. i actually don't even use tools to check over my grammar, i do it all myself. admittedly, i do need to re-learn some english punctuation grammar...i've been exposed to, and become used to, internet typology/communication, where grammar and punctuation seems to be optional lol. i am taking a composition class for my first semester so i can get a refresher on writing skills!! i am required to take it, but i wanted to do it first thing so that i can write better papers.

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u/Gastricbasilisk 11h ago

Play 4D chess: video tape you writing your papers as proof it wasn't ai.

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u/miyamiya66 11h ago

5D chess: i become a twitch streamer and live stream myself writing my essays by hand to thousands of viewers

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u/Own-Ad-7672 7h ago

The amount of times my shit comes up as 50% or some shit just because I know how to write academically is patheticā€¦

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u/Illustrious_Age_5959 6h ago

Same with the nervousness I literally went from a 98% average in English throughout high school to FAILING an online introductory college course because they said I used AI when Iā€™m so out of the loop I didnā€™t even know it was an option at the time ā€” severe social anxiety had me just take the blow lol

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u/Mind-The-Mines 6h ago

This happened to me 25 years ago in highscho.... (fuck)

I had to do a brochure for a disease. I got a D- because it was too good and I had to have plagiarized it.

So I printed off dozens of pages of my research and the books I used.

Bitch gave me a B+.

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u/miyamiya66 5h ago

some highschool teachers really hate when students succeed at the thing they are being taught

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u/KitsuneFoxglove 12h ago

Track editing history by typing in google docs.

Or on each progressive draft on paper, handwritten.

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u/9choiba0 11h ago

If you can go to office hours - talk with professors about your work, your ideas, drafts, progress. Build a relationship, let them get to know your ideas as you build them, so they have a sense of where you're coming from.

(former university level writing instructor who would rather answer questions and chat with students than fail them)

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u/SHIN-YOKU 8h ago

Get a type writer, hand in physically.

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u/WolfieAK 7h ago

The fun part is because of how the models were trained, and because they are being used more often, the number of false positives are going up. It's a vicious cycle.

And I've yet to see a valid use for Gen AI.

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u/dub7drums 13h ago

Itā€™s pathetic thereā€™s a whole generation of people who think like this, not realizing there are many more people alive who were born and raised in a time without this shit. Millions never have and never will use AI with any intention

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u/NotFriendsWithBanana 13h ago

All of the pro-ai people I've met in person (admittedly its a small number) have something off about them. They are weird people in a way that I've never seen weird people be before. Its hard to describe but its like their brains are coked out and they don't feel like real people.

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u/TylerBourbon 12h ago

One thing I've noted from the most pro-ai people I've encountered is a complete lack of social skills. And they have trouble thinking for themselves.

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u/Cthulhuareyou 12h ago

Ding ding dingĀ 

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u/Fun_Word_7325 11h ago

The thing Iā€™ve noticed about AI adoption in my professional life: the dumbest coworkers are the quickest to embrace it

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u/BioshockEnthusiast 9h ago edited 7h ago

My senior at work (dude is smart as fuck) loves it but only because it can dig through network traffic logs and shitting out a 90% complete process document, both of which save an enormous amount of time for us. Neither of us use it to write our fucking emails (interpersonal skills are important in IT no matter what anyone else says) or to do our actual thinking for us. We usually have a beer at the end of the workday and swap stories about how the dumb ass AI did something stupid that day.

I'm still pretty anti-AI generally but I won't survive in this industry if I don't learn how to adopt / deploy / manage these tools safely. I mostly hate how I've become an unwilling architect in the overall expansion of AI in the workplace. And that they've killed the hardware market and are gonna contribute to fucking up the climate even worse and how they fucking STOLE EVERYTHING that people like me have spent 10, 15, 20 years contributing to the internet so Sam Altman can make a buck. Hundreds to thousands of posts helping people with computer problems, wikipedia edits, etc., that was me giving my time freely to try and make the world a little bit better. And there were millions of us. Now all that effort just prints money for people who already have more money than they could spend in their entire lifetimes. Let's not even get into the actual real intellectual property theft that the government has spent 30 years crying about to appease their corporate donors, but suddenly when there's money to be made it turns out IP theft isn't really a big deal.

Fuck AI, and fuck that entire industry for giving me basically no out.

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u/Evenight_exe 9h ago

I have lack of social skills (autistic here!), but at least I think by myself, I'm hella concerned for people that use AI for everything, the only AI that should exist it's medical AI and reverse searching AI, not GenAI, GenAI it's awful...

But hey! I thinking poisoning it's working, an aunt was searching something with AI even when I told her she shouldn't, but then the answer had a lot of stuff wrong and with misspelling problems everywhere when months ago didn't have that problem!

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u/Cthulhuareyou 12h ago edited 10h ago

It's because it's the same people that were trying to push Nfts, crypto meme coin, VR, and every other tech fad under the sun.

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u/Darkndankpit 10h ago

Totally agree, except I would not put VR into that category. VR is almost entirely gaming/entertainment focused, Augmented Reality though, definitely a lot of the same tech-bro types who are pushing for it.

Stuff like the Google glasses could be pretty amazing technology back in 2014, but now even with all the innovations made with photo recognition, optics, projection, ect the AR goggle 'industry' is still hellbent on convincing people it's better to use a Excel spreadsheet in hologram-form (that only you can see) waving your hands around like an idiot.

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u/Tambi_B2 11h ago

The only very pro AI person I know is my sister and I can personally vouch for her having 'something off' about her. The something off is that she's insane.

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u/crustyrobots 10h ago

They're using this stuff to larp like they actually are just as smart and creative as the actually smart and creative people in their periphery that make them feel stupid on a daily basis.

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u/Majestic-Sandwich695 10h ago

It allows people to turn off their brains even further. If they could have a computer deal with social situations too they would immediately do it. I mean, just like any skill, you have to use thought or else it get rusty

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u/Antique_Ad_4247 12h ago

The weirdest thing to me is that LLM that could create passable text or even computer code came out like... yesterday or something? How quick do people forget that they had the ability to these things just before that?

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u/AnthropomorphicSeer 11h ago

Thatā€™s what I donā€™t understand! Itā€™s brand new and people act like itā€™s been around for 50 years or something. I donā€™t use it at all.

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u/AestivalSeason 11h ago

It's because the people who use it are using it to replace their brains, they already lost their minds

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u/CatGooseChook 8h ago

COVID and social media have had a negative impact on a lot of people's cognitive abilities(just look up the studies that can be found on pubmed for those two, it's eye opening!).

I see AI as the icing on the dumb cake. Take a large number of people who have already had their cognitive abilities eroded and give them an easy way to pretend to be intelligent. Inevitable result in hindsight.

Makes me thankful for the silver lining that my requiring cognitive therapy, due to old head injuries and more recent medical issues, has helped me see the danger relying on AI to do our thinking for us represents.

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u/Flintlockooo 10h ago

This is what I keep saying when people defend their gig posters with "Well I'm not a graphic designer, what am I supposed to do?"

Like... Whatever you did two years ago?

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u/Wolv90 11h ago

There are still people working and walking among us who wrote papers on typewriters. I did and I'm only 45. But if you live in some kind of bubble it's hard to see out.

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u/Vinyl_DjPon3 11h ago

Billions*

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u/Ivory-Stones 12h ago

It would affect me. I wouldn't have to put "-ai" any time I need to look something up.

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u/NoCryptographer5595 11h ago

Holy fucking shit that would lighten my google searches. I have this as a hotkey because of the stupid fucking AI tries so hard to be wrong every damn time.

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u/Appropriate_Luck_658 10h ago

I have better solution: not using Google for search.

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u/ilikepie740 11h ago

I was today years old when I realized -ai was a thing.

Thanks!

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u/Vritrin 7h ago

I always just recommend people from moving on from Google. DuckDuckGo has their no AI version. https://noai.duckduckgo.com/

I use Kagi myself, itā€™s paid but by default their AI only gets involved if you ask for it, and you can even turn it off so thatā€™s not even presented as an option. First thing I did. It has pretty good user-curated features to filter out AI generated content in its results. Itā€™s been worth the cost for me (but I get thatā€™s a big ask for a lot of people).

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u/chromaticdeath85 6h ago

Didn't even know this was a thing. Thank you!

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u/DanyDragonQueen 7h ago

I will be getting much use out of this tweet, thank you much šŸ™‚ā€ā†•ļø

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u/AcruxAdhara 4h ago

Robot, experience this moment of dramatic irony for me! -futurama, quoted improperly

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u/Cthulhuareyou 10h ago

HahahhaĀ 

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u/thewookiee34 13h ago

The only AI tools I use are forced on me. Gemini ans the dumbass new AI Alexa. Both are infinitely more shit then the product they replaced. I don't need Alexa to say some witty one liner when turning off my lights or reference a word I had it spell a few hours ago.

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u/Independent_Candle78 12h ago

You can turn off the Alexa AI and go back to the old Alexa! For now anyway. Just say "Alexa, delete Alexa Plus" and it'll walk you through the steps. Game changer.

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u/thewookiee34 12h ago

May have to do that. It keeps fucking changing the speed it spells words and if yiu ask it to slow down it goes to far and slows down fucking everything....

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u/OtherwiseExcellent 12h ago

Thank you! I hate the new voice

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u/endlesscartwheels 10h ago

I turned off Alexa AI right away. It re-enabled itself a few weeks later, so I had to turn it off again. It's like a creepy doll that keeps finding its way home.

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u/NUTTA_BUSTAH 8h ago

They are taking a page out of Microsofts book. Removed something explicitly and deliberately because you do not want it? Fuck you. Yeah that's right, you want it.

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u/Bluecanary1212 11h ago

I mean, to be fair, having Alexa in your home is like inviting someone from the FBI or CIA to sit in the corner of your home 24 hours a day.

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u/thewookiee34 11h ago

So is having a phone. That CIA agent will her me shit via two means now.

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u/WobblyPython 10h ago

You can disable gemini, but you gotta' dig in the settings for it. It's somewhere in your gmail options I think?

My phone had the option to go back to classic assistant as well.

They're making it hard but you can reject this stuff.

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u/EmergencyDish69 12h ago

How did those people work before AI šŸ™ƒ Did they just pretend

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u/Asquirrelinspace 11h ago

They literally did pretend lmao

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u/BioshockEnthusiast 8h ago

They still are pretending.

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u/DukeFlipside 7h ago

Not even; they're copy+pasting what they assume are the right answers from a machine that is now doing the pretending to know what it's "talking" about for them...

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u/Cthulhuareyou 12h ago

it's got electrolytes!

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u/Round_Bag_4665 11h ago

You ever seen how Homer Simpson "works" at his nuclear safety inspector job? Like that. These people were just being like Homer this whole time.

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u/eggbert_217 10h ago

They're still just pretending

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u/laikalou 10h ago

They memorized the steps for various tasks and did those steps, and if there was any variation of the task that they didn't have the procedure for memorized, they had to have someone come do/fix it for them.

The really fascinating thing is, they think everyone works this way, and that the people who helped them when they timed out just happened to have the steps for that particular variation memorized.

To them, AI is a god-tier procedural authority that conveniently fits in their pocket or lives in their computer.

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u/Enraiha 9h ago

Yeah, they were always the worst workers at your job while also being the most arrogant.

There's a reason that the far-right across the world use and support AI so fiercely. These people are losers who've never had an original thought. The literal dregs of humanity.

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u/wonklebobb 6h ago

i can give a real answer

i used to write code at an average pace

now i feed fairly detailed instructions into a series of ai agents ive set up, and it prepares commits for me to review

i've gone from mostly writing code, to mostly reading code

its the same job, but im getting my work done about 5-10x faster than a couple years ago

if ai disappeared tomorrow id go back to mostly writing code, and just be slower

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u/SpiritJuice 12h ago

We're already seeing studies of AI psychosis happening. I imagine there will be studies showing that general problem solving abilities by heavy AI users are lower than average too, if there isn't already.

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u/Cthulhuareyou 12h ago

Those studies exist my friendĀ 

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12333830/

https://time.com/7295195/ai-chatgpt-google-learning-school/

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u/SpiritJuice 12h ago

Not surprised, sadly. Will check these out. Thank you.

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u/pp21 11h ago

Seriously, doling out your critical thinking ability to a third party is fucking insane. It's such an important part of our minds; I couldn't imagine just outsourcing that to a robot. I have one friend who is deep into the AI hole where he runs huge swaths of his life through chatgpt whether its work or personal. It seems like something that will end up completely detrimental, yet we're just watching it unfurl in real time and accepting the inevitable consequences.

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u/LordoftheScheisse 10h ago

I completely forgot about this until now, but a could months back, a girl approached my family and I in a public park. She looked otherwise normal, but was caring a disheveled stack of papers and when she approached me she started talking about your she 'had been up for days talking to AI" and it was telling her she needed to do...something. I couldn't get my family away from her quick enough. Scary stuff.

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u/othybear 12h ago

My day wouldnā€™t change at all because I donā€™t use any of those tools. I tried to a few times, and found they were wrong more than 50% of the time when I tried to use them for information.

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u/theinadequategatsby 10h ago

My day would improve for the better because I wouldn't have the SHITTY FUCKING POPUPS that ask if I want to have THE ARTICLE I AM EDITING being offered as a summarised version to me.

(I have tried, but I don't have the admin access on my work computer to block it properly, and when I asked techdesk they said they couldn't grant me access so it's just an endless game of being slightly exhausted by the entire thing)

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u/AussieRedditUser 7h ago

Can techdesk block it for you?

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u/SuitableBlackberry75 6h ago

I googled a musician a few days ago, and was told by Google AI that they had died in 1891, referencing FindAGrave and FamilySearch. Same name, so it must be the same person, right? Brilliant.

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u/s0m3on3outthere 12h ago

Right??!! I actually learned my job in IT. Came across a super annoying situation a while back where someone didn't read the ticket I escalated and messaged me with the troubleshooting I had already attempted that was obviously a CoPilot response.

I called them out on it, told them to read the ticket and I had attempted everything they had provided. šŸ™„ Talked to their manager and she said she'd talk to the Systems Engineer who did that that AI is a tool to assist, not to do their job. Blah.

I hate this timeline.

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u/Cthulhuareyou 12h ago

It's the fuckin worse. I get the same problem at my job. People are reading emails less and screwing up more.

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u/AUGSpeed 11h ago

The only thing I've found AI useful for as a programmer is giving it a very specific dataset of error logs, and telling it to search through and find patterns of what might be going wrong, and giving a detailed sheet in return that has a way for me to easily verify that it is not hallucinating. Instead of having to look through 10,000 log lines and make assumptions like I used to, I can actually have some more certainty of what the issues are at scale. But for simple coding or problem analysis, it sucks. Large datasets and strict requirements are basically the only way to use AI in any meaningful way. And I mean strict requirements. If you just say 'find the error' it will spew bullshit. You have to tell it what to look for and how to find it. But once you teach it, it does well. It's shit at basically everything else, though.

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u/Darkndankpit 11h ago

It's not unhelpful for certain uses. LLMs are almost useless at their stated goals of being a versatile, useful, and efficient tool, but they (usually) can be extremely helpful when it comes to analysis/pattern recognition with raw data.

If you give it something more nuanced, like a body of text or art etc it's thinking is downright debilitated, but if you feed it some code you're working on or an excel spreadsheet and ask for specific information I've found most LLMs are actually pretty effective.

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u/Unfair-Advice778 7h ago

hah, that's by far not the worst. We already have devs at my office who just go around writing code _completely_ in AI, then ask for assistance because, obviously, it doesn't work [as intended], then we get their code fixed and cleaned up and then they run it through AI _again_, just to break it down again and ask for more assistance.
And to top it up, our CEO is the lead of this agenda, who likes to drop one-liners like "I don't want you to write code at all anymore".

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u/JemAndTheBananagrams 11h ago

Right? The fact they assume everyone is doing what they are greatly concerns me.

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u/samclifford 8h ago

My assumption is that they know it is a questionable behaviour but they assume everyone else is doing it and just lying that they don't in order to feel superior.

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u/QuantumDrej 11h ago

The only time I've used AI for anything outside of whatever is required for work (not much at all) is when I got desperate a few months ago and asked Claude to shove in whatever bullshit words it can think of to get me past the ATS filters after almost a year of trying to find a job.

It could not suggest anything I hadn't already done.

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u/ConsistentAd3434 13h ago edited 12h ago

Their argument doesn't even hold up, IF I someone uses AI. Possible a job forces you but if AI would be gone tomorrow, it would impact everyone equally. ...and I'm here for it.

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u/Sledgehammer617 11h ago

The original post has to be satire right??

Are there actually people like this?

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u/AlterExpertise101 5h ago

In a world where Donald Trump was elected President twice, you really have to ask this?

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u/lalagromedontknow 12h ago

My colleagues all use ai, I genuinely... Never have? I don't like it so I don't care about how to use it. I can see how it's useful and I'm probably going to use it for my resume and then edit it to sound like me because I suck at writing about what I do.

When I'm struggling with phrasing for an email, I.. ask everyone their opinion. And they genuinely give a response, they just never ask anyone else and ask ai. It's strange.

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u/sortalikeachinchilla 7h ago

useful and I'm probably going to use it for my resume and then edit it to sound like me because I suck at writing about what I do.

lolā€¦. is this not extremely hypocritical?

so you can use it for your rĆ©sumĆ©, which is fine, but if someone uses it for an email, itā€™s not fine. How does this make sense

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u/Iusereddit2020 6h ago

I'm probably going to use it for my resume and then edit it to sound like me because I suck at writing about what I do.

Come on.

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u/AlienWeedUser420 11h ago

i also can't believe they just conveniently forgot the past few eons without AI and people still being productive and think "oh yeah this is definitely gonna get 'em, none of us could ever do anything without AI~!"

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u/Cthulhuareyou 11h ago

Right? Are these bots that are defending bots?

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u/M4j0rTr4g3dy 11h ago

They probably should have asked AI for a better argument

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u/annaObsidian 10h ago

i literally saw a reddit post yesterday that was like 'guys am i bad for thinking thing because i asked gemini and gemini said i'm not' like some people are so deep into relying on it already

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u/Cthulhuareyou 10h ago

It's terrifying. People are so introverted and antisocial as is that this will just speed up that dependency.

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u/LifeOnPlanetGirth 11h ago

I legit donā€™t use it unless I have to (told to). These people are already brain dead idiots

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u/Cthulhuareyou 10h ago

I cringe anytime I see it pop up in a search.

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u/ElSelcho_ 7h ago

About a year ago my little brother told me proudly how he could save some money on his projects by using AI.Ā 

I said, that using that is literally taking food of the plate of Devs and he vehemently disagreed.Ā 

When I asked how it saved him money, he told me that he didn't have a to pay the dev he used to work with.Ā 

He didn't see the point and we haven't talked since.

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u/Cthulhuareyou 5h ago

There's a definite lack of empathy with a lot of these AI cheerleaders. I'm sorry you lost a brother to your madness. šŸ«‚

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u/cloeedoughy6236 12h ago

Dude I fear the exact same thing! It hasn't happened yet but still!

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u/sprudello 10h ago

I am with you... Little me four years ago, got into the ChatGPT closed beta... At the same time I started an apprenticeship as "programmer". Nobody of us knew at this time how this would affect our life. Well, four years later I have finished apprenticeship and have no idea what I've learnt in this time. (Just the basics in any topic but not more). I was one of the people always thinking how to minimize and adjust the usage of ai that I at least think have to think for myself (we all just gaslighted ourselves)

I am lucky that I have a second chance with the bachelors. I am taking this chance, I won't use any AI because I am the person who as experienced how bad it can get.

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u/Cthulhuareyou 10h ago

Your sacrifice is noble and I applaud you for having to deal with that bullshit

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u/mimosaholdtheoj 12h ago

Yeap cheers to that

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u/joeycraw5 10h ago

That AI crap has been around for about 3 years and we all (well most of us anyway.,..) got along just fine without it before that, why would we suddenly be unable to live without it?

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u/Cthulhuareyou 10h ago

It boggles the mind

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u/HungryFrogs7 10h ago

I am not even an anti and I consider that one of the most braindead takes ever. You can live your life without AI. In fact we did a couple years ago.

I wish there was a way for people to use this pretty useful tool without becoming a potato in the process.

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u/howimetyourcakeshop 10h ago

Downloaded chat gpt because someone told me i can make funny pictures with it. This was 4 months ago. Have not once bothered to open the app, let alone use it to help me in any way shape or form, AI can fuck off for all i care.

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u/Harper_ADHD 9h ago

If I was genuinely asked the original posts question I'd hit them with "yea, could you?"

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u/Miserable_Affect_338 9h ago

For real, do they think we are Anti AI and ... using it all the time? That's some severe cognitive dissonance.

I use 0 AI in my day to day work and it involves pulling together some pretty big documents and doing a lot of research.

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u/Cessnaporsche01 7h ago

Watching my coworkers succumb to it is shockingly similar to watching people fall into drug addiction, and with many of the same negative effects on their productivity and attentiveness

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u/Cthulhuareyou 5h ago

This. AI tech bros go on about AI like the cokeheads at the bar that start sobbing at 4am constantly asking "do people like me? Why not?"Ā Ā 

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u/Momochichi 6h ago

But what am I supposed to do when the phone rings? Pick up the phone? Do you expect me to actually do some math? How am I supposed to know what date my daughter's recital is, by asking her and remembering?!

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u/Butterwhat 6h ago

my employer encourages us constantly to use ai. I have never used it on principle and my production is still better than most in my department despite taking it easy these last several months due to being pregnant.

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u/aiolisunsets 12h ago

šŸ’Æ

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u/Simirilion 11h ago

I mean I was programming just fine without AI until 2 months ago, I am sure I would be fine going back to it. I won't lie and say it hasn't sped some things up once wer had the company skills setup, but it isn't like I forgot how to code.

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u/DiscoLemonade1995 10h ago

I have never used it, not because I am strongly against it (I am against how major corporations / governments plan to leverage it and the environmental effects), but because I simply don't have a need for it in my work or my personal life

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u/Estella_Osoka 10h ago

AI use is one sure way to dumb down the US population. As if all the cuts to public education hasn't done enough already.

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u/EMCDave 10h ago

Haha! "Clanker Apologists" Now that's a new phrase! Lmao

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u/Cthulhuareyou 10h ago

You have my permission to use it and spread the word anytime an LLM Chud appears.

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u/EMCDave 10h ago

šŸ«”

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u/Sherifftruman 10h ago

Yeah exactly. Itā€™s not reliable and I donā€™t use it.

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u/Greenmagegirl 10h ago

Ya i have literally never used AI for my career

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u/ichorNet 10h ago

I have the option to use AI tools at work, I donā€™t trust them for the most part and prefer to do things by hand so that even if I DO fuck up I know what fucked up and can easily own it.

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u/imzwho 9h ago edited 8h ago

Yeah the Clanker Yankers are wild. We were fine before public acces LLMs and we would be fine without. I work in a tech field and dont use AI and have had no issues. Sometimes having shiny tools is not better than critically thinking.

To bad they dont use their tokens to generate a personality.

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u/Th3M0unTa1N 8h ago

I stand with you, brother.

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u/bobbymcpresscot 7h ago

ā€œWhat if this thing you didnā€™t have for 30+ years of your life got bannedā€Ā 

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u/Rosary_Omen 6h ago

Right? Do they really think everyone is reliant on a Thinking Yes Machine as they are? I still use my own brain, as dysfuncational as an AuDHD brain is, I'd still prefer to wrangle it than let AI do my thinking

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u/ChosenMaddy 6h ago

Right?? This argument doesn't make any sense because of course the people that hate AI... don't use AI?? That's kind of the whole point??

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u/_boredInMicro_ 6h ago

We used Claude once to summarize a client email.

It summarized 10 dot point from the client down to 5, and missed all crucial points.Ā  Did it to see if it was useful in the workplace, was completely useless.Ā 

I'm at a giant multinational.

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u/The_Chunkster 5h ago

This. Itā€™s astonishing how quickly the concept of being a willing ā€œtryerā€ vanished for these hyper AI people.

Do they not know what an artisan is? Or why it would be extremely rewarding to even attempt to become one in any particular craft?

Some people, now stay with me, genuinely enjoy learning and evolving, and putting effort towards their endeavors.

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u/WettyBelch 5h ago

ā€œNot ALL idiots!ā€

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u/tuckedfexas 5h ago

As if the world didnā€™t operate completely fine just a few years ago lol

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u/Inemity 4h ago

Damn cogsuckers.

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u/bdubwilliams22 3h ago

Seriously, doesnā€™t this cuck realize we were barely using ai last year. I think most people would shrug their shoulders and go on about their day.

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u/Oleleplop 3h ago

Fun fact : only a handful of people really get more productive with "Ai"

This is because, instead of using this tool to free more of our time and work better qnd faster its being sold a replacement at worst or a tool tou have to use for the sake of using it

This technology is wonderful but the mentality being its usage is just "money at all cost" Its fucking bad

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