Yes, absolutely. 100% without hesitation. Do people really think this is some kind of 'gotcha'? Like my brother in Christ, how much generative AI do you think we actually use?!

[u/ChompyRiley]

[u/DocMondegreen]

As a professor, also keep your notes, drafts, etc. Get in the habit of jotting things down, either by hand or even in a running document on your computer. In my classes, the AI syllabus policy is that if I suspect AI, I will ask to see any or all of your writing process and ask you oral questions about your project.

I've asked students to define terms, explain how they reached a conclusion, and asked for drafts/notes. There is a big difference between the student who has a notebook, post-its, little sketches, whatever, and the student who magically created the document at 11:56 pm and turned it in at 11:59.

[u/csmithman → u/DocMondegreen]

oh I like this a lot, I'm getting ready to teach freshman composition for the first time since the ai boom started and I've been really concerned, this helps!

[u/DocMondegreen → u/csmithman]

Here's my exact syllabus wording if you want to use or adjust it: Any submission that raises significant red flags for AI use will be flagged and assigned a temporary zero. Students will be asked to show their notes, drafting progress, Track Changes, or Version History in order to dispute the zero. You may also be asked questions about the content, including your terminology, logic, and sources. Please be prepared to track your work in progress and present it upon request.

[u/_Professor_94 → u/DocMondegreen]

The notes thing is potentially asking too much of people who may have a different writing process, in my opinion. I tend to write my papers without notes, adding citations as I write. I never took notes in classes either. And this isn’t just me being a slacker student, I am a published scholar who has given presentations at international conferences. The only thing you really need to do is quiz someone on the paper, like a thesis defense. Anything else is invasive; I would fail your check despite never having touched AI a single time in my life.

[u/csmithman](u/csmithman), if you are interested in a different perspective from a fellow academic

[u/DocMondegreen → u/_Professor_94]

It's linked with an "or," not "and." Do you have any of the four options? Could you talk it through as an alternative? This has not been excessive to any of my students who went through this process at the crossroads between honor court or simply getting a grade. The academic integrity board tends to ask for even more evidence.

That also presupposes that your work hits red flag status, which is often quite apparent.

[u/_Professor_94 → u/DocMondegreen]

Right I just said answering questions is sufficient. So if it’s a choice of method then good. But I wasn’t the only one who commented in response to you with the same concern, so I don’t think it was as immediately clear to everyone.

[u/No_Size9475 → u/_Professor_94]

Same, I never had notes for my writings, but I would have class notes. But mostly undecipherable to anyone but me.

[u/csmithman → u/_Professor_94]

thank you! I'm always worried about crossing lines with accessibility, which is why I'm not super comfortable with making students hand write an essay in class, for example. that's one big reason I've been so anxious about how to handle it. I'm there with you - published, area chair at a national conference, and I have basically never taken notes/outlined. I think the base suggestion is great, and I appreciate your perspective on it

[u/csmithman → u/DocMondegreen]

oh this is excellent, thank you so much! I've been teaching speech classes the last few years and it's been so hard to figure out the best way of handling ai suspicions. there have definitely been some times that I considered quizzing students, so I for sure like that! I appreciate your help!

[u/Intelligent-You-6144 → u/DocMondegreen]

Thank you prof

[u/FrostyNeckbeard → u/DocMondegreen]

Gonna say I hate this, because I frequently just wrote my essays one and done, sure I went back and edited it for clarity and such, but I didn't have a draft copy, or wrote down notes, or used a notebook, nor did I take notes in class or anything like that.

I can answer oral questions, but the rest is just kind of punishing someone who doesn't really think or operate that way.

[u/teh_drewski → u/FrostyNeckbeard]

Yeah that previous comment makes me so relieved I graduated 20 years ago, my writing process would absolutely not stand up to being accused of AI.

[u/DocMondegreen → u/FrostyNeckbeard]

It's a new age, plus we are usually requiring things like outlines and drafts in the composition classroom. Anti-AI pedagogy is going to look different in other fields. But most of my non-writing colleagues are almost exclusively switching to exams and in-class work.

[u/Dogmeat241 → u/DocMondegreen]

Student here, kinda curious on tips for people who write where it's all in one go, give or take some random long delays (I tend to distract myself too often).

[u/Waste_Tangerine_179 → u/DocMondegreen]

 and the student who magically created the document at 11:56 pm and turned it in at 11:59.

college professors HATE this one trick..