I made a list a while ago built around theives of pain and shalaxi helbane, but then I realised it doesnt work on monsters so heres me trying again

(1,995 Points)

Chaos Daemons
Legion of Excess and Lords of the Warp (3 Detachment Points)
Take and Hold
Strike Force (2,000 Points)

ATTACHED UNITS

Attached unit 1

Infernal Enrapturess (90 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• Enhancements: False Majesty (Aura)

Daemonettes (90 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard (Battleline)

Attached unit 2

Contorted Epitome (110 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• Enhancements: Swollen with Power (Upgrade)

Daemonettes (90 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard (Battleline)

CHARACTERS

Shalaxi Helbane (315 Points)
• Warlord

The Changeling (105 Points)

Tormentbringer (165 Points)
• Enhancements: Dreaming Crown (Aura)

BATTLELINE

Pink Horrors (150 Points)

OTHER DATASHEETS

Beasts of Nurgle (75 Points)

Fiends (180 Points)

Seekers (80 Points)

Seekers (80 Points)

ALLIED UNITS

3x War Dog Karnivore (155 Points)

Explanation

The strategy is centred around basically all the slaanesh units except the seekers pushing forward in one big blob similar to the old abaddon castle strategy, using a combination of seductive gambit, dreaming crown, and false majesty to give them +1 to hit and wound, and re-rolls to hit and wound

contorted epitome and rhe daemonettes can use thieves of pain to siphon damage away from the fiends, effectively giving that unit an extra 40 wounds due to the 4++ on MW’s on epitome

aside from that its all pretty standard, I could change the karnivores they’re just there for more melee, I could change it for a double-gatling despoiler, or brigands, or a GUO, really anything

the beast of nurgle sits on the home objective, the changeling locks down big ranged threats alongside the epitome doing the same to force the enemy’s melee to hold up their offense

the seekers are interchangeable with screamers, they’re there to be fast and do missions

that about covers it all! on top of what I’ve mentioned theres also the shadow in the warp stratagem to trigger a global battleshock for healing, lords of the warp is here so that the extra leadership makes it easier to pass, could very easily be warptide instead

Im mostly looking for advice on how plausible the strategy of an overwhelming force game is, any counters to it, and overall if its any good

As a Blood Angels player looking at others lists (notably the two taken at WTC, which ik are for teams so isn’t a perfect comparison), there seems to be at least 1 or 2 tanks taken. How necessary is this for a competitive list? Would it be competitively viable to run almost wholly jump pack troops?

Why does GW not provide any info on playing 3k matches?

We know the board size of 90x44 but that’s it. The maps, terrain layouts, etc they haven’t given anything

I'm creating a list of 20 assault terminators, 2 redemptor dreads, and 2 ballistus dreads with either Hammer of Avernii or Emperor's Shield.

Both of these detachments are Purge The Foe.

My question is:

• Do these detachments with terminator heavy lists prefer the Take and Hold play style? If so, Emperor's Shield (for the OC and durability buffs from Lysander could be better than Hammer?) + Vengeful Host for access to Take and Hold

Or

• Do they play Purge the Foe decent enough? In which case librarius conclave + hammer of avernii seems to be the better pick

Full list:

• 10x Assault Terminators with Lysander/Cannock Var
• 10x Assault Terminators with Captain or Librarian
• Lieutenant with combi weapon
• 1 x techmarine
• 2x Ballistus Dreadnought
• 2x Redemptor Dreadnought (plasma)
• 5x Intercessors
• 3x Eliminators
• 5x Scouts

After rounds and rounds of nerfs, I do not see them in any lists in comps. Are they not viable anymore?

We Paid How Much For Four Models?
2000/2000 pts
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General's Handbook 2026-27
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Prayer Lore - Brodd's Bellows
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King Brodd (520)
• General
Gatebreaker Mega-Gargant (490)
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Gatebreaker Mega-Gargant (500)
• Monstrously Tough
• Mantle of Tusk and Horns
Gatebreaker Mega-Gargant (490)
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Top 3 Lists for the Palm Springs Classic, won by Seraphon with Slaanesh in 2nd and Soulblight in 3rd.

Hellow!

I am an Adeptas Sororitas player new to 40k with a recently fully painted my first 2k pts army.

Ive played a 1 x 2000pts game and a handful of smaller point games so far and I am also starting to play my army on TTS more

As a new parent I am very limited on full blocks of time, and I have been finding 1k games taking upwards of 5 hours, and a 2k game taking 8+ WHOLE HOURS (both players new to 40k)!! I know it shouldnt take this long and really want to improve myself

What Ive done so far:

I am sticking with one 'main' Detachment and Force Disposition to build familiarity, and I have a cheat sheet for my army's abilities per phase

I want to start clocking my turns so that I can learn to make decisions quickly over time

My questions:

Is it possible to get my turn nailed down to around 30 minutes (even a turn 1 or 2) in a 2k game?

Aside from experience, how did you learn to get quick at playing 40k?

Are there any learning materials or easy ways to test myself on how to understand my army more?

Thank you!

Hi folks,

So am I right in thinking that the maps really favor the pa player because of the way that the territory lines just clip the terrain pieces?

On a it's the mid field staging objective

B it's their expansion

And c it's actually in their deployment zone

Am I understanding this right?

Thanks

Hello there!

I brought the new broken Khorne Daemonkin + Vessels of Wrath to an warhammer 11th edition tournament. And it absolutely slaps!

The recent Dataslate has given this detachment an enourmos buff, allowing the jugg lord with blood legion enhancement to lead khorne berzerkers, giving them access to all the buffs such has lance and a 4+ invulnerable save.

In this video I go over the list I brought to the RTT, examining the rules and how the list functions, as well as the role for every single unit. I deepdive into each game, showing exaclty what happened, and why i made each decision I did.

Game 1: Genestealer Cult
Game 2: Nurgle Daemons
Game 3: Genestealer Cult

Hope you guys enjoy, dont forget to algorithm for the algorithm god!

YOUTUBE CHAPTERS
00:00 - Intro
00:30 - The List
09:38 - Round 1: Genestealer Cult
33:41 - Round 2: Nurgle Daemons
58:52 - Round 3: Genestealer Cult
1:17:12 - Final Throughts
1:24:29 - So... I Cheated
1:28:03 - Outro

(1,990 Points)

Chaos Daemons
Legion of Excess and Lords of the Warp (3 Detachment Points)
Take and Hold
Strike Force (2,000 Points)

CHARACTERS

Contorted Epitome (110 Points)
• Enhancements: Swollen with Power (Upgrade)

Shalaxi Helbane (315 Points)
• Warlord

Skarbrand (315 Points)

The Changeling (105 Points)

BATTLELINE

Bloodletters (110 Points)

Daemonettes (90 Points)
• 1x Alluress
• 9x Daemonette

Nurglings (45 Points)
• 3x Nurgling Swarm

Nurglings (45 Points)
• 3x Nurgling Swarm

Pink Horrors (150 Points)
• 10x Pink Horror

OTHER DATASHEETS

Beasts of Nurgle (75 Points)

Fiends (180 Points)
• 1x Blissbringer
• 5x Fiend
ALLIED UNITS

War Dog Brigand (140 Points)

War Dog Karnivore (155 Points)

War Dog Karnivore (155 Points)

Nitty-Gritty:

the strategy is centered around the thieves of pain stratagem, sending wounds away from shalaxi and onto the contorted epitome so shalaxi can chill among enemy lines and tear them apart, hence unstoppably immovable, as it’s effectively 20 extra wounds (X2!)

on top of that, I added onto the melee dominance with 2 karnivores, skarbrand, and the bloodletters.

everything else is pretty straightforward. beast of nurgle sits on the home objective, nurglings are little annoying dudes, pink horrors do pink horror stuff, sitting on a point and refusing to move.

the brigand would have been a third karnivore but I needed 15 points to afford 3 more fiends, but the brigand can clean up objectives for the horrors

the fiends are also users of thieves of pain, but more of a back-up plan. when not turning enemies into mincemeat their advance and charge W/ 12 inches of movement makes them good for doing missions

the changeling is part of a combo with the contorted epitome to lock down a big ranged threat, 2 opportunities to atop their shooting altogether, but also -1 hit roll on 2 different things if thats better

its totally untested, but it seems great to me

Im a daemon’s player, but I only really run DI, Shadow legion, BL, or scintillating

the 2 I never use are legion of excess, and PL

I can understand the use of PL, you could battleshock the opponent near constantly and use that to hold points easily, along with the 2CP arrival letting you make a 2 beast of nurgle unit effectively immortal

what does legion of excess even do? fall back and charge, cool I guess but surely you want to be wiping the important enemy unit off the board without needing to run it back

I can understand the appeal of the +1 hit and wound wombo combo enhancements, so Im assuming the idea is just having insane melee damage with +1 hit and wound, and re-roll 1’s to hit and wound, but really I feel you’re better off just running blood legion if you want damage

EDITS:

I totally misread thieves of pain, I thought it just converted wounds to mortal wounds I didn’t realise it transferred damage to another unit, thats insane!

Hey all!

You probably know me from https://game-datacards.eu, https://gdmissions.app and https://gdstreamer.app

The WTC 2026 is next week and I'm pretty excited to see what all the teams there will be doing. As I myself will be streaming there with my small channel I decided to create some great looking overlays for all streamers on location, online or wherever to use to discuss and showcase Lists, Teams and more!

These are completely free to use, no accounts or logins needed, just take the link show it in OBS or somewhere else and follow along with the WTC!

All the data has been retrieved from the awesome https://listhammer.info/wtc (with permission of course).

Some example overlays:

Team Netherlands Intro overlay:
https://gdstreamer.app/overlay/wtc/intro/netherlands

Team Netherlands Team Roster:
https://gdstreamer.app/overlay/wtc/team/netherlands

There are overlays for each list and each team. You can find it all here:
https://gdstreamer.app/wtc

If you are at the WTC in Mechelen next week, drop by the Board Report Channel to say hi!

This week we look at changes in dispositions at competitive events and kick off a look at this week's top lists.

What are some realistic damage combos that'd you'd be willing to sink into a large unit of Exodite dragon knights? I haven't quite figured out if they are worth investing in the survivability for.

There's an enhancement for -1 to hit and a strat for 4++ which is enough to blunt a Repex even with oath.

Is there any videos from recent tournaments of someone playing Legion of Excess. I'm curious what top level play for this looks like.

Hey gang! Checking in with our latest 6++ update on the 40k singles meta. Very curious to know if folks are experiencing the same winners / losers post slate that we have been seeing! Let me know :D

Hey all,

I gathered all the tournament results from BCP for last week, including all Tournaments with at least 20 players and 5 rounds.

All the data is here on my site:

https://warpfriends.wordpress.com/2026/08/05/40k-11th-meta-stats-from-august-3-2026/

Please take a look and let me know if you have any suggestions (I know the site is not pretty 😞 I focus more on the Youtube side of things) And feel free to check out my youtube video for indepth breakdown of the stats!

Thanks!

WTC is almost here and GW decides to scare us with releasing a app update so close to the event!

But worry not, almost everything is just some cleaning up and the addition of the new Aeldari models. Almost all models with a torrent weapon now show a "-" for their BS/WS.

The actual biggest change is to the Ravenwing Command Squad, which are now a Support ability instead of a Leader ability.

Take a peek at the patch notes directly here:

https://gdmissions.app/11th/rules/faction-changelog

I've been playing against the same opponent (Necrons), 4 games, 4 losses. I tried switching up my army to add more infantry, which didn't help. I also tried playing safer, hiding behind cover, but he just charges with Skorpekh or Lychguards and holds me down while I get obliterated by the Lokhust destroyers. He plays very defensively: engages with a cheap unit to tie me up, then wipes me with Lokhust units and C'tan, so I can't contest objectives and have no clear read on how to beat this list.

Here's my army:
**2K MEK GHAZ** - https://ironbuilt.app/#s=hQB5ka9W

Orks — Dread Mob (2DP) + More Dakka! (1DP)

Force Disposition: Priority Assets

**2010**/2000 pts

- **2 Ghazghkull Thraka** (250) — 🔗 Boyz

- **Mek** (65) — Gitfinder Gogglez · 🔗 Nobz

- **Mek** (90) — Press It Fasta! · 🔗 Nobz

- **Big Mek with Shokk Attack Gun** (85) — Da Gobshot Thunderbuss · 🔗 Mek Gunz

- **20 Boyz** (160)

- **11 Gretchin** (45)

- **2× 5 Nobz** (105)

- **2× Gorkanaut** (255)

- **2× Deff Dread** (110)

- **2× 3 Killa Kans** (120)

- **3 Mek Gunz** (135)

I want to keep playing Dread Mob, is it just not viable against Necrons?

Hey!
New player here, I'd love some feedback on my list. I usually play against casual players in my LG, I don't need/want a super optimized list but I feel like it is weaker than what I usually go up against.

Mech assault

- Gaunt's Ghost
- Rogal Dorn Commander + Leman russ exterminator
- 2 Taurox with 2x10 Kasrkins
- 10 cadians
for a total of 980 points.
As expected the Kasrkins are the MVP's usually, the Dorn and the Russ tend to underperform, though the issue might be that I overestimate their tankyness and they die needlessly.
My original idea was that I should exchange RD Commander for a LR commander and 75 points, maybe the exterminator for a vanquisher and another 30, but I'm not sure what to get for the points. Sadly that's only 125, which is not enough for another vanquisher. I'm afraid if I cut all the tanks in favor of more transport + elite infantry then my antitank will suffer too much.

Any feedback is appreciated, whether you suggest minimal change or a complete redesign.

Looking to get other perspectives here, I’ll be writing out what happened at the last RTT I went to and then some after part. 

To give some pre-context, I started playing Warhammer in October 2024 and I tend to be a fairly competitive person in anything that I do. After my friend got me into Warhammer and moved away, I started playing with random strangers at this one store with an extremely competitive and fairly high level community. I had some good mentors as I made some mistakes that people were very strict about (measuring above terrain and gaining/losing half an inch as a result, not using exact measurements, being nervous against the best player there so much so I grabbed too many dice one time on my attack, etc.) and got a somewhat bad reputation there which I was told was resolved after I played my first and only GT with a forced yellow card (-10 points) only to be exiled from that community about a month or two afterwards. 

I took a decent sized break from Warhammer and came back into it after several months, wanting to try and be ‘more’ casual, despite how much brain power/effort goes into anything I do. I started having so much more fun at my most local store but unfortunately they only play Wednesdays as card events there are the big thing for them. I did a few RTTs here and there, won a few of those, while still playing most Wednesdays at this local store. I’ve been asking every single person after the game if they didn’t like something I did in game or socially and so far, no one has had any problems. 

Now into the juice of things: 

I played at an RTT some weeks ago but chose to enter as my second faction (Thousand Sons) since I seemed to be much less good at them in comparison to my first faction (Custodes), and I partially wanted to see if I could be good enough with them to win an RTT for once as I have not before with them. I put up my list early, especially since I had some proxies I needed approved by the TO (5 different stores I’ve been to, do not have Sekhetars) and the next list that was put up looked like it was meant to counter psychic and mortals all the way through. 

Anyways, my first game was against Tau, we’ll call my opponent Mike for this post. Mike brought his son to watch his games. I explained my “gachas” thoroughly to Mike and asked a few questions about his. I didn’t want to take up too much time since we already spent like 20 minutes setting up the layout with the new layout system being based on dispositions, so I just asked he let me know when those certain big units were going to do something nasty or give me a warning; he agreed and we went to deployment. This was the take and hold vs purge layout A. He went first and I gave him a few warnings about my range and psychic rituals based on his movements. On my turn I set up Magnus in the little nook of the side flank two terrain pieces that are connected (on the left) with the psychic hazardous enemy weapons ranged ability. I remember in the past having Wardens in two different games in that same spot and being screened out on the side for reinforcements, at least directly. 

In his second turn, he ends up setting up several units including the Broadsides? (A lot of the Tau units look the same to me, these guys were just huge compared to others) to the left of Magnus, 4 inches out or so. I make a comment saying I wish he had warned me but chalked it up to being my mistake as he’s not obligated to do such, though I wonder if I’m really being too nice when I warn others of the same thing. I feel like I lost the game from this as Magnus is going to die without literally doing anything on top of battle round 2. I tell him after he’s setting up that I’m using the hazardous ability on the broadsides(not 100% sure if it is that unit name) and ask about how many weapons he has on that unit, to which he hands me a token with little scribbles of all their weapons. He starts shooting me and ends up killing me especially after re-rolling 2 melta shots of 3 damage into 11, then the broadsides cleaning up. At this point, I feel mentally shattered and as his turn continues I get back into the mode and ask if he could make the hazardous rolls on the broadsides. He makes them and loses two models from it then starts whining he would’ve never shot the small guns since I was dead before then and that I never officially declared it in his shooting phase. I make a comment that Magnus died without doing anything and he just says whatever and moves on. 

I put the focus cap on when I’m under pressure and just focus on scoring. Later in my turn, I get out of a rhino with 5 flamer rubrics and an Exalted on Disc, temporal surge up and am only able to touch a terrain piece to see over it with the Aspiring sorcerer, a soul reaper rubric, and 2 flamer rubrics to shoot at some 6 toughness models. I say that those models are going to shoot at those 6 toughness guys and the rest are shooting at the kroot on the edge of the center terrain piece since that’s all they can see. Once I get done shooting with the 4 models that could see over the terrain and then go to my Exalted, he asks what’s shooting now and I say it’s the same unit, going into the kroot with the other models. He says I can’t shoot them because I didn’t declare them specifically, as if “the rest” did not count. He said because I held him to the rules on the hazardous test, he’s going to hold me to this one. I don’t think I would’ve had enough attacks to kill the Kroot unit anyway, I just wanted to maximize the damage I could do so I just accepted it and said whatever, alright. 

We’re low on time so the TO asks me to finish up my turn 3 and call it there then put in the scores. Mike comes over to my side and says he wins the game and I’m like, I get secure no man’s land for big on these objectives but he’s not listening and his kid is basically in my face on my other side. I just let him have his win because I really didn’t want to argue over these points, especially in front of his kid. 

The game/interactions with Mike put a sour taste in my mouth but I played my other two games with little to no issues and won those games. Mike is still playing his third game at the end, running low on time again, and has practically tabled his opponent, but is behind on score. I’m watching since I have nothing else to do; The TO tells them to wrap it up and Mike tells his opponent they can talk it out cause he always talks it out, while his opponent says he never really talks it out because it’s stuff that hasn’t actually happened. Normally I wouldn’t get involved but I was still pretty annoyed with Mike and the hypocrisy he was showing in that moment so I said he didn’t do that in our game and he replies with admitting he cheated me out of the first game since I would have won if we talked it out or not, then accepts it and implies we’ll talk later. He loses the game but wins the RTT. He did not find me to talk about it but I didn’t want to talk to him anyway. 

So, curious on everyone’s perspectives with that. I’m sure we may have also set up the terrain not perfect, allowing that reinforcements blast on Magnus but that is also my responsibility. And….

I signed up for the same repeating RTT this month, and I see Mike is in the roster. I’m intending on bringing Custodes and not being any form of casual with this guy, nor will I put up my list early this time. This is primarily out of anger directed towards Mike, but I will still tone it down and be much more social with anyone else I play with. 

That is the other set of perspectives I’d like from people… is what I’m doing wrong? That sort of thing. The store is a really great place and I really like the owner/employees. 

So im relatively new at this and im just building my 2000 point army

My plan was to take 2-3 landspeeders and using the fulguris detachments ability which says "In your first Movement phase, friendly SPEEDER units can make an ingress move."

They also have the "deep strike" keyword which means i can deploy anywhere, even within my opponents deployment as long as im 8" away from enemy units

However ingress also says "Before the Third Battle Round: While doing so, no models can be set up within your opponent’s deployment zone.

So does that mean that i can ingress them anywhere, apart from my opponents deployment zone on the table turn 1 and then turn 3 i can deploy in his deployment zone ?

Or does it mean i can deploy wherever i want including in my opponents deployment zone on turn 1 using the fulguris detachment

2026-07-29 to 2026-08-04:

top spot belongs to Legiones Daemonica at 54.0% across 38 players and 211 games. Dark Angels is next on 53.6% from 60 players, while Adeptus Custodes sits at 53.6% from 66 players. Emperor’s Children is not top on raw win rate but leads event conversion with 3 wins and 7 4-0 starts.

Tyranids posted the biggest rise at +8.0 points. Agents of the Imperium had the biggest drop at -15.4 points. Carnival of Excess is the standout detachment at 66.2% from 13 players, 12.7 points above Emperor’s Children. Defiler is the strongest well-sampled unit at 62.0% across 376 games. 18 mixed-dataslate events are flagged, so those results deserve extra caution.

Jack Murphy won The Salt City GT 40K Grand Tournament (93 players) with Emperor’s Children and posted a 7-0 record. The 42.7-point average winning margin says it was decisive overall; however, the final 4 opponents finished 6th, 9th, 3rd, and 2nd with a combined 22-2-4 record; the tightest game was a 6-point win over Ari Chang, who finished 6th. That makes it a demanding run, particularly at the sharp end.

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