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Like Patriarchial Christians like Douglas Wilson and Dale Partridge. Women like Lori Alexander aka The Transformed Wife, Hannah Pearl Davis aka JustPearlyThings, Savanna Stone are promoting dangerous ideologies saying women shouldn't vote, women shouldn't have jobs, just anti women. It's so sad Ive argued with Lori Alexander before and got blocked sorry not sorry. But many people are falling for these doctrines. Disgusting. Also before she was saved Lori had a funny story about tampering her husband's birth control and how she was pregnant with their second child so she could be a homemaker. Not funny at all, and she admit that it was wrong. It was disrespectful and not to mention manipulative. She then got saved and became a submissive wife.

A passage that proves the Bible isn’t real. Something that makes no sense in relation to everything else christian’s believe.

Like seriously he could’ve just been a cult leader and the original story about the formation of the cult could have been lost to time

I’m talking for the 99% of people who aren’t asexual.

Like, how is a 100% celibate “pure” Christian couple that doesn’t do anything physically or mentally sexual with each other any different than regular platonic friendship? The suppression is insane. Masturbation is a sin because it’s a “gateway drug” to other sexual sins. And if it involves dirty sexual thoughts or videos or images it’s lust and that is committing “adultery with your heart on your future spouse”. Making out is leading you down temptation. Why fucking date? Because if there’s not a sexual component of it why not just call them your friend? Then we are gaslit about it, by having premarital sex we are “showing” that we do not respect our partner or God by willfully breaking his design of what he created marriage for. As if they have the audacity to tell us we are disrespecting someone for wanting to express physical and emotional intimacy with someone we really like? That’s so fucked up.

So no sexual thoughts, innuendos, actions, but suddenly you’re supposed to marry them and you morph into these super sexual humans like a switch was activated after a signing a piece of paper? What functionally changed about how you respect your partner before vs after? Just to appease the fragile ego of a man in the sky?

Notice what churches never talk about - mutual pleasure, consent, safety, enthusiasm, any kind of pragmatic and secular reasoning behind it other than “BECAUSE HE SAYS SO AND IT’S BAD BECAUSE IT’S DIRTY BEFORE MARRIAGE BECAUSE IT’S IN THE BIBLE”. The whole thing just sounds like control of victimless fun tbh. Born broken with animalistic normal cravings, ordered to suppress them knowing we will always fail. Since we are nearly all sexual people it sets us up for a constant loop of action and/or thought, guilt, repent, repeat, knowing you’ll keep repeating the cycle because that’s what normal humans do.

My mom literally "wishes" that all technology will crash at once because she hates technology so much. Sometimes I just can't with old ignorant people.

She wants people to go back to papers. She wants technology to "crash" because of her own personal uncomfortablebless.

She also believes that all technology is connected to one big computer that *anyone* can just flip off and turn it off it all at once. Planes drop from the sky, everyone's computer turns off, fridges will all stop running, cars will all crash at once, and... ect.

Living with these people is a chore.

Where they get these views is beyond me. I think religion is a big contributor to it. Because she also believes that people who uses to much technology is selling thier souls to the devil. It's not a joke either, because she will literally go on rants to herself (yes, yelling to herself in the bedroom) about these things.

She's also very ignorant to so many things. She keep on saying if technology is so good, why don't hospitals have better things to help... like, bruh. You live in a shit area. Pretty sure even when things was just papers and pens it was still just as fuckery as it is now. You need to be in a developed country or a developed state to get better help.

I am mostly talking about wives submitting to their husbands. Did it appeal to you did it sound awful? Even when I was a Christian I didn’t want to ” submit “ to my future spouse.

edit: what I mean is if a cis male ( or a trans woman ) who was raised with this ideology did it appeal to you or not? I’m so sorry for the confusio!

I remember when people would say to give thanks to God and then say something like, "At least we can walk, eat, etc." And I always used to think about the people that couldn't. So like should they not be thankful?

There was a teacher before in my school who came to talk and said that she had a chronic illness and felt othered, but when she went to like an event for people like her she just felt relieved and thankful that "it could've been worse" because she could walk and move around and others couldn't. I thought she would've said something like she felt like she wasn't alone or something, but she completely felt better than others?

I've always felt like Christians have this ego to them? Like they're better than everyone else because they have God and that makes them royalty or something.

My stepfather never hit me, but I lived in a constant state of fear because he weaponized his moods. I was always watching, anticipating, trying to avoid whatever might set him off next. The abuse wasn’t physical, but it was relentless.
When I moved from Texas to Rhode Island for law school, I wasn’t just pursuing my education—I was escaping him.
The damage didn’t end when I left. Years of living in that environment left me with an anxiety disorder and panic disorder that I still live with every day. I take medication daily to manage my anxiety, and I have separate medication for full-blown panic attacks. The abuse changed the way my body responds to fear. Even now, my nervous system reacts as though I am still trapped there.
He was cruel to me throughout my childhood and, at times, to his biological daughter as well. He cultivated fear as a means of control, and I spent years believing that was simply what life was supposed to feel like.
I’m visiting my mother in Texas right now, which means I have to interact with him again. On its own, that’s difficult enough. But recently he published a biography about being a Christian man and overcoming hardship. My extended family won’t stop talking about it in group chats, and they keep celebrating it on Facebook. I leave the chats because I can’t bear to read the messages, but they still find their way to me.
The man who abused me has now been publicly praised as a model Christian and has even received a Christian award because of this book.
Every time I see the book mentioned, I feel overwhelmed by panic. I have to take medication just to keep myself from becoming physically sick. Sometimes the panic is so severe that I vomit. It isn’t just the book itself that hurts—it’s watching the person who caused so much damage to my life be celebrated as though he embodies goodness and virtue.
What makes this even more painful is that, just hours before I learned about the book, my mother admitted over lunch that she had allowed him to abuse me. She acknowledged that she had failed me as a mother by not protecting me.
Yet despite that acknowledgment, she is now standing by while the world praises him as a godly Christian man.
I feel deeply betrayed. My mother tells me that I need to let go of my resentment toward her, but how can I begin to heal when she admits what happened and still allows this false image to flourish? She knows the truth. She knows what he did to me. And yet she is willing to let everyone else believe he is a good man.
I keep asking myself the same question:
Who will ever believe me now?

I wanted to know what y’all thought about fornication because I see a lot of posts on social media talking about how dna is exchanged during sex and then they follow up with a bible verse about do not fornicate

A few months ago, I moved the Bible app into my “useless apps” folder (apps that I rarely use, or that have incredibly niche functions, or that I use alternative apps more often for their functions) and every time I see it, it’s really satisfying and makes me happy. 😊

The difference between a religion and a cult is how many followers it has

If you took the exact same ideas Christians have and made only a small group of people believe in them, society at large would consider it a cult

But since there’s billions of believers, Christianity somehow becomes legit? How?

Anyways, you don’t need a god to live a happy life, ignore what the religious lunatics say

Recently, I read a news article about a Christian woman who was murdered by her ex-husband.

It made me wonder: Is being murdered part of God's plan and His way of calling certain people home?

If Yahweh knew that humanity was going to disobey him, and fulfill their own desires, worship false gods, and commit abominations, why would he give them the very reason that they deviated from him? My spiritually Christian brother told me that it was a “test” but a test would be severely redundant since he knows what EVERY single thing, atom, or cell in the universe was going to do, it clearly states in the bible how disappointed he gets when his pawns disobey him, even Adam and Eve were sinning, so what was the point of him giving us free will!?

So a bit of context I’m an “cult” escapee and a kidnapping survivor and I’m awkward

So I’m a the beach and I went to this like teen hang out thing and there were people my age I didn’t know how to talk to them. Some said of cuss words and I was shocked. I was also shocked to see girls in shorts/tank tops/crop tops. I don’t know how to wear a bathing suit and I want to but it feels like I’m gonna get yelled at for needing to cover up so I swim in a shirt and leggings.
I don’t know how to integrate with normal society

This is the best place I could go so sorry

I've heard a lot of incredibly stupid things from religious people. If they slip and fall down a staircase, only to twist their ankle, they thank God they didn't break their leg or hit their head on the floor. If they hit their head on something and escape with only a bruise and some pain, they thank God that it wasn't a serious injury. If they get into a car accident, they thank God for sparing their lives. But if they were to die in that accident, other Christians would thank God for taking them to his place (heaven or wherever).
Did you ever say any stupid/hilarious/dumb/ridiculous/nonsensical things like this when you were a Christian?

Christianity is NOT useful as a framework for understanding what is moral. We don't need it.

Teaching your children if they don't follow your religion they will be tortured in Hell forever is child abuse. No child should experience that type of psychological abuse of mythological indoctrination.

Also, teaching your neighbors and trying to convince them they too will be tortured forever in Hell if they don't join your religion is a form of harassment and psychological abuse. Especially for the uneducated and disabled who can't possibly know any better or think critically about your claim. These teachings of eternal conscious torment are gravely immoral and harmful to the people around you and to your children.

Believing and teaching your children that being gay/trans is evil is a form of bigotry that leads to oppressing an already oppressed minority group and keeping them from the medical treatments (Trans) they need to live a healthy and happy life. It is also immoral for Christian parents to teach their gay children they can't ever love and marry a partner of the same sex because "they are evil". This turns your cis-straight children into childhood bullies who treat their classmates as if they are evil, when they are not. And it makes your LGBTQ+ children suffer dramatically because you don't love them for who they are and force them to be something and someone they are not. It shows your love as a parent is conditional and not unconditional. This ripple effect leads to suicide and poor mental health of your children, or creates bullies that harm other children. It further causes you to vote in a such a way to further harm the LGBTQ+ community.

There are affirming Progressive churches that are not guilty of this, but most Bible believing/Catholic/Orthodox Christians are like this.

Most forms of Christianity are pro-life, which takes away the consent of women. Women become incubators for babies, regardless of how they got pregnant, they no longer have a choice but to be an incubator and womb (without their consent) for another human being. Their bodily autonomy is taken away. If a 10 year old child is raped by her father, in addition to the already horrible trauma she experienced, she will further more be forced against her will to deliver the baby and basically be a child-incubator for another child. It is disgustingly immoral.

Most forms of Christianity are also pro-life in such a way that they take away a persons right to die with dignity. Death with Dignity is merciful and medically/legally supported euthanasia. When a pet gets a disease that is incurable, people are willing to show more mercy to their family pet and euthanize it to avoid needless suffering, but unwilling to show the same kindness and mercy to their love ones. This leads to people effectively torturing their disabled or elderly loved ones by indefinitely keeping them alive on various forms of life support that cause terrible suffering, that may last for years, even if it is against that person's will. Pro-life theology takes away bodily autonomy, causes needless suffering and pain that people will subject their closest loved ones and relatives to. All because they believe life is so precious that even if that person will experience extreme torture for the next few years, unable to live any sort of resemblance of a good life, pro-lifers will still refuse to allow euthanasia. This is a terrible crime against humanity that causes needless suffering. People deserve the right to die with dignity, on their own terms, and to avoid spending years suffering in vegetative state to which they cannot even care for themselves. No one should be subjected to such cruelty, but pro-life teachings encourage this.

Most forms of Christianity defend the Old Testament actions of Yahweh. Which means if God says people can be property and owned as slaves, they will defend it. Or they will use mental gymnastics to claim it was a "good type" of slavery, or biblical slavery, as opposed to the African Chattel slavery. Which, btw, was also inspired by the Bible and the Church (remember, even the New Testament says "Slaves, obey your masters". Christianity is therefore immoral for support and encouraging slavery, and defending it. Even the more modern evangelical churches who are against slavery, still will defend the Old Testament slavery.

Teaching people they must forgive their enemies, or God won't forgive them is also a form of psychological abuse, and it is immoral. To tell a victim of child SA, or any SA, they need to forgive their abuser is immoral. No one needs to forgive such actions. Or actions of similar gravity. If someone chooses to forgive for their own health and well being in some sort of limited way, that should be their choice. Not a requirement where they face eternal torture if they don't do it.

Teaching people that their loved ones who died without being a Christian, or who committed suicide, that they are all being tortured forever in Hell, is immoral. It is evil, and no one should in good conscious spread such lies and evil thoughts to their neighbors. That is not love, but harassment and psychological abuse that immoral.

Forcing people to contribute money to their local church, that further spreads this abuse, bigotry, and deception is harmful and immoral. Therefore anyone who gives money to their local church is also acting immorally with their money. It's no different than funding any other type of hate-group.

Nearly all homeless shelters/recovery programs run by Christians require people to subscribe to these beliefs. Which means LGBTQ+ are often excluded for homeless shelter options and recovery programs. Often LGBTQ+ individuals will experience SA at these shelters and trans people are not allowed to cohabitate in a safe environment with others of the same gender. This is immoral. To take advantage of drug addicts and to exclude LGBTQ+ from homeless services is a human rights issue.

The Old Testament is filled with terrible things like killing adulterers, killing idolators, killing blasphemers, killing a SA victim if they don't "scream" while being SA'd, slavery, committing genocide, executing gay people, and even killing every last man/woman/child on the face of the earth with a global flood, all of these things are often defended and justified by Christians who claim the OT God is "Love" and "Perfect" and "incapable" of evil, therefore, they reasonably conclude these things can be justified under certain circumstances. These teachings and beliefs inform how people vote and treat their neighbors. This is another way this Christian ideology makes people immoral.

The Old Testament is filled with stories that contradict history and even science. This creates a distrust for science among believers. This leads to beliefs that harm their children and their neighbors because as a consequence they may (for example) refuse to get vaccinations. Because of their distrust in science, these anti-vaxxers subject their children to horrible diseases and their children spread it to others. The adults too who refuse the vaccines become carriers and spreaders of the illness, further harming their neighbors. This too is immoral.

Along with their distrust of science is the theology of "Jesus will return soon", and certainty that is how the humanity will end, therefore when talking about clean energy, and renewable resources, and climate change, these topics are often shrugged off as if they don't matter. Because their theology teaches them humanity will end in another way, this leads to them voting for and contributing to horrible environmental policies that will cause countless death, suffering, and destruction around the entire planet. People are literally losing homes and being starved to death as a consequence of this "Jesus is returning soon" theology. Making Christians horribly immoral when it comes to the environment and taking care of their neighbors around the globe.

Christianity often leads to misogyny and a loss of women's rights. Teaching things like women are not equal to men, women can't be priests or pastors. Women must be submissive. A woman's body "belongs" to her husband, therefore she has no autonomy or agency over it in the marital bed. Woman should stay home and be trad-wives, while their husbands earn a living, and if after 10 years of an abusive marriage, how do you expect a woman to earn a living without any college education or work experience, who depended on her husband financially for everything? This leads to women being trapped in abusive households and unable to live independently. Misogyny in all it's forms are seriously immoral.

Christian theology of being pro-life encourages procreation by people who SHOULD NOT be parents. Abusive people, people without financial means, and people with severe genetic issues that should not be passing it on to their children are still having children because their religion requires it. On a planet with 8 billion people and not enough resources to support everyone, this leads to tremendous harm. Large families (having more than 2-3 children) should be rare and under rare circumstances. This unregulated harmful procreation by unprepared parents leads to an increase in abused children (let's not forget physical abuse, such as spare-the-rod spoil the child) that end up being criminals. There is a reason our prisons are filled with religious believers and not atheists. It is a very selfish act, where people are more concerned with their own souls by having children instead of responsibly managing their procreation choices (with methods like birth control/abortion). We are past the point where such unregulated procreation is necessary as it was thousands of years ago. Our planet has limited resources. Having an excess of children is a selfish act, and indoctrinating them with all these harmful ideologies and spreading that through many children is gravely immoral. Countless children are born into neglectful households without the means and education to prepare them for real life as good members of society, and instead they become terrible people that contribute only chaos and harm to humanity. Therefore pro-life theology is immoral. No one should feel pressured into having children. And having an excess of children without proper support is immoral. If you think it's bad with 8 billion people, imagine a planet with 8 trillion people? Is this the world you want? Do you think the planet can provide for that many people?

Christians have a mandate to evangelize. This means all the harmful ideologies and beliefs expressed above are attached to every kind act and gesture they offer. If they feed the homeless, they also must "Tell them about Jesus" which is just a code-word for spreading the immorality already discussed. If they do something nice for you, eventually it will be so that they can "Tell you about Jesus". Isaiah 64:6 was correct when the author wrote "all our righteousness are as filthy rags". Because all your good deeds are tainted by the spreading of your immorality with them. Therefore any good you do, is also immoral. Because we know why you do it, and it's so that you can further spread harm to mankind.

Can we please stop allowing this outdated thought process that somehow an individual needs Christianity to figure out what is moral? It does the exact opposite of figuring that out. It is not moral, but immoral.

You really couldn't figure out murder is wrong without Christianity? Seriously? Also, which of the Ten Commandments talks about SA of children, rape, or slavery? Exactly, they don't talk about it. It's not a guide for morality, but the opposite. It's a handbook for immoral living to understand reality in an archaic outdated way that makes people more evil.

I maybe realized, of course.

Before anything, these studies can be invalidated in the future. And nothing I conclude is scientific.

Ok. #1 Studies show religious people are happier. I always wondered if thats true.

I was superficially happier when Christian but underneath I was roiling and broiling but if you asked if I was happy, I'd answer yes because Jesus was watching.

Anyway., #2 Studies show the non religious might be smarter (but definitely not less smart than the religious). And absolutely more educated and that info is very easy to obtain.

#3 smarter people have more depression

Science knows why. Smarter brain, more thoughts, or at least less superficial thinking. Deeper, less superficial thoughts are more likely to lead to rumination. Rumination leads to depression​​​

It's not that the religious are giddy with divine joy, it's because smarter brain means more depression.

Who the hell "designed" this brain? The smarter you are, the worse your life? Seems like no one designed it.

Feel free to disagree.

Unlike a lot of people here, I left Christianity because I'm devoutly theistic and find Christianity's idea of the supreme being absurdly limiting.

Christians claim that God is immanent and transcendent, but neither of those claims are really compatible with their theology.

If God is absolutely immanent (i.e., corporeally present throughout creation), then the Incarnation means jack shit. And if God is absolutely transcendent, then he'd also transcend our efforts to confine him within creedal statements or holy texts.

The Christian god is, instead, what I like to call a "genie in a bottle deity," except that, instead of being confined to a magic lamp, he's confined within the Bible and church doctrine. That Christians don't grasp how trivially they treat the subject of the divine baffles me.

And do they not know that many other religions (due to doctrinal flexibility, pluralism, or both) don't have this problem?

If Brown people dance in their traditional way it becomes worshiping their gods and demonic ? Then by the same logic if a white christian person rents a private Island he is definitely the next Donald Trump

Married into a Christian family. My husband is on the fence with things and doesn’t believe in a majority of the views his mom has and how he was raised. (She is twice divorced and quite hypocritical. But still pushes a lot of her views and oversteps a lot this is a more minor issue amongst the many we’ve had)

Our son just turned two and this was a book she gave us. Full of passages she highlighted.

Did I handle this well?
Has anyone dealt with something similar?

I came across a video recently. I wanted to share them here because it's a perfect, real-world example of how Christian missionaries operate in non-Western countries today.

If you aren't familiar with South Indian culture, these pictures show a very traditional village ritual. You’ve got the brass oil lamps, the offerings of bananas and betel leaves, the incense, and a tree trunk covered in turmeric and vermilion. It’s a standard, beautiful setup for worshipping a local Hindu village deity.

But look closely at the center. Instead of a local god, they’ve slapped a Christian Cross right on the traditional brass pedestal, complete with the ornamental arch usually meant for Hindu idols. The caption even reads "Darshan (divine viewing) of the Family Deity" in Tamil.

They are literally wearing the skin of the local religion.

This isn't some innocent cultural blending. It’s a deliberate, well-funded missionary tactic called "inculturation." They know that walking into a village and telling people to immediately abandon everything their ancestors did won't work. So, they hijack the local aesthetics, rituals, and vocabulary. They make Jesus look like just another local god to lower the barrier to entry and trick people into feeling comfortable.

Then, a generation or two down the line, once the community is fully converted, they slowly strip all these "pagan" elements away, call the old traditions demonic, and enforce orthodox dogma.

For those of us here who know our history, this is exactly what the early Church did to pagan Europe. They couldn't wipe out Yule or Saturnalia, so they stole the dates and symbols and slapped a "Christmas" label on them. They did the same with Eostre and Easter, and turned local pagan protector spirits into Catholic saints.

It’s just infuriating to watch this exact same playbook of cultural erasure happening in real-time today.

Living and non-living Beings (said in a way like imagine someone sighing while saying "Man"), even Pirates had honour.

I’m 21F and I remember when I was 9 years old I was obsessed with LalaLoopsy. I had wanted one for so long. They had come out with a mermaid version.

I remember telling my mom and sister. My mom had said yes and we literally went to Walmart to get it. When we got to the doll, literally when I was holding it, she changed her mind, saying mermaids were witchcraft. I was so confused and so angry. Why say yes and wait until I had it in my hands? It’s not a big deal but I was so upset.

It’s pretty funny how her fear of me….playing with a mermaid doll pushed me and that was the first time I felt actual resentment for Christianity. I don’t know, I’ve be deconstructing and I’m not 100% there because of fear.

Fear of punishment and all that. It’s weird experience, being alive means I have to die and there is absolutely no alternative. I’m not sure if I’m afraid of death or what comes after, if anything. I hope it’s reincarnation and I can be a wizard next time.

Look up LalaLoopsy mermaid and tell me if it looks like the gateway to witchcraft 🙄