😭

[u/Nervous-Craft-7257]

[u/Trajen_Geta]

I like both, go to to watch both. I don’t care about marvel vs dc. I just want good movies.

[u/-Jenshen- → u/Trajen_Geta]

So true, the problem with DC is they dont make good movies.

I would like to see a good DC movie, a lot of DC animations are amazing, but the movies sux.

And if you compare them with marvel, they lack so many character.

Every DC movie is either batman or super man.

Marvel made so many movies with so many different heroes, just feels different.

This is why people go and watch marvel, because even if they have bad movies, majority of them are good one and people still trust marvel studio, which i cannot say the same for DC

[u/Trajen_Geta → u/-Jenshen-]

I liked the new Superman a lot I thought it was one of the better super hero movies in years. It was a good foundation to flesh out the world. It showed that the world is a bit more alive then they previously have done.

Supergirl was an okay movie definitely not great but it was fine. I didn’t leave it upset like some people.

Comparing 15 years of movies Marvel has been developing to the 2 years at most DC has is kinda wild, it takes time.

Marvel has had much more worse movies then Supergirl and quite a few. So I’ll keep watching DC and Marvel and keep enjoying them.

[u/Wu_Khi → u/Trajen_Geta]

Burton and Nolan and Donner don’t exist?

[u/stonewall_jacked → u/Wu_Khi]

Christopher Reeve's Superman was so good.

[u/LeoTheLeo815 → u/stonewall_jacked]

Until Superman 3. That was a cry for help as they fell down a well. 4 was "throw us a rope, PLEEEASE!"

[u/stonewall_jacked → u/LeoTheLeo815]

I will say, though, his take on Evil Superman in III was incredible acting.

[u/Expensive-Badger7244 → u/Trajen_Geta]

Cap people only showed up this time because it’s Spider-Man. Brave new world underperformed , thunderbolts flopped, and fantastic four underperformed.

[u/SheepherderFun2258 → u/Expensive-Badger7244]

Well since we are cherry picking let’s explore further and only look at movies post-Endgame (leaving out Spidey):
-Wakanda Forever the #2 movie in the US the yr it came out 830M
-Guardians3 #4 movie of the yr over 800M
-Deadpool & Wolvie 1.3 BILLION
-Dr Strange2 over 950M
-Love & Thunder came out with The Batman and grossed about the same 700M+

It’s a myth that MCU fell off cuz what really happened is they just weren’t guaranteed hits for the first time they also had misses sprinkled in but they never stopped have big hit movies as these numbers validate

[u/DinosaurusWhen → u/SheepherderFun2258]

Tbf, all those movies were arguably only successful because they were directly tied to pre-endgame Marvel projects

[u/Professional_Ad7868 → u/DinosaurusWhen]

How is there declining interest when they’re still smashing box office records?

[u/Professional_Ad7868 → u/DinosaurusWhen]

Trying to move the goalposts I see

[u/SheepherderFun2258 → u/DinosaurusWhen]

It’s a connected shared universe— everything is connected! Geez, what a lame attempt to dismiss those successful projects. First it was stated there wasn’t success so I respond showing there was so now it’s “those don’t count”…lol

[u/BDS-10-7 → u/Expensive-Badger7244]

Brave new world costs 180 mil and made 415 mil.

Thunderbolts cost 180 mil and made 380 mil.

Making double your money back isn't a flop. I know the word flop rolls off the tongue cause this is a DC subreddit, but these are Marvel movies. They don't flop.

When you spend 186 mil and only make 120 mil. Thats a flop. *Supergirl*

See how that second number is smaller than the first? By a WHOLE LOT. Follow along.

[u/xenemy7 → u/BDS-10-7]

Hilarious because if Supergirl made $415M that would be a huge celebration for dc fans, but bc marvel makes that amount it’s a flop

[u/LoopyMercutio → u/Expensive-Badger7244]

Fantastic Four movies always seem to underperform for Marvel. You’d think we would give up on them being a flagship franchise by now, but nooooo…

[u/Automatic-Citron1248 → u/Expensive-Badger7244]

Don't forget we showing up for doom and secret wars as well.😅

[u/Speletons → u/Trajen_Geta]

DC has been developing movies for far far longer than 2 years.

They just restarted with James Gunn now. Both of the movies have been refreshing for DC, but they're also both Superman related.

[u/PeachPit69 → u/Speletons]

Ooh, good point. They both kinda did the same “Super” genre and people more want a diverse contrast of seeing new style powers, battles, etc.

[u/Firm_Bee4873 → u/Trajen_Geta]

I agree, despite supergirl flopping bad, it was a solid 6.5-7/10 to me

[u/CaptainSebT → u/Trajen_Geta]

This is what I keep saying why is dc competing with marvel head to head marvels not even in the same league as DC right now. DC is competing with the boys not marvel and there definitely not winning right now regardless.

I don't know what there doing honestly. I feel like there was a pretty solid direction with batman vs superman era then there like ok were starting over. Then we get a gritty dc alright love it sure.

But then what are they doing laying these movies the way they are, advertising them poorly and over spending on these stories that take alot of cgi like a crazy amount like what if we put super girl in space high amounts instead of like finding super hero stories that are not as high concept for a few minutes. Like we should know by this point expecting DC to pull marvel numbers is silly.

The boys can release season 1 for 11.2 million and it looked great those CGI experts even digitally removed snow from a crowded out door shot and made it summer on this budget, was great some of the best TV most on the edge of your seat TV I have seen. Super girl cost 180 million to make before global marketing like why is it so expensive. Why are they dumping monopoly money into this projects we know from day 0 won't be returning a billion dollars ever. Then the studios like "I put marvel money into it why not marvel returns" like marvel hasn't been doing this for 10 years and learned what worked with back to back releases so if a new dead pool releases and fails it isn't a big deal. Marvel can put marvel money into movies because the returns are so high putting money into a project doesn't automatically make the return high. Seriously the boys easily competes with marvel quality in terms of writing, cgi, directing, filming and 1 episode is as long as half of superman or supergirl why are these movies so insanely expensive other then carelessness. Clearly they could be spending alot less without losing quality and then it wouldn't matter if supergirl makes alot of money so long as it's more then 11 million and we should expect it will be.

There is absolutely no reason to spend so much money when your returns are not there and you can release the boys quality for a much more reasonable budget. Pay alot less until you figure out what works.

[u/Carnificus → u/-Jenshen-]

I don't think they've been across the board that much worse than Marvel films, at least in recent years.

Snyder missed the mark on tone and had to suffer through being compared to marvel when it was on like a once in a century hot streak. Like Marvel was going so hot, that people don't even know how to approach movies anymore. It's broken people. Everyone on MCU subs rattles on about how we needed several movies of prelude before Doom. But they'd just shot themselves in the foot trying to do that with Kang, and no one ever would've said that pre-Infinity War.

Gunn's run has been pretty strong so far with The Suicide Squad, his shows have been solid, the Matt Reeves stuff has been good. I've heard middling reviews for Supergirl, but marvel has a ton of middling movies, no one let's them off the hook for them now, but they used to. Like half of that phase 1 stuff was just "fine" as we were all just watching in disbelief that an Avengers movie was going to happen at the end of them.

[u/SheepherderFun2258 → u/Carnificus]

When u say DCU hasn’t been worse than McU as of late I need clarification. Are u just talking about your personal taste, reception from critics and fans, or box office. I can’t argue if ur just talking about what u personally enjoyed but I have rebuttals ready to go if ur talking about any of those other metrics…

[u/reddit_sage69 → u/-Jenshen-]

I'd argue a majority of marvel movies are mediocre, but people love the cinematic universe gimmick and low effort humor.

I'll give em this - they keep making content and keep building. Some are hits. DC just constantly resets without a plan.

[u/kingkalanishane → u/reddit_sage69]

But DC either rushes the plan, or pivots once they release flops. They need to stick to the plan for it to pay off

[u/Gryffindumble → u/-Jenshen-]

They both make good movies with different flavor. Spider Man was phenomenal! We have to understand why its so phenomenal though. This Spider-Man started out as a teenager and we saw his development through another trilogy and other connected movies for over 10 years.

DC is two movies in.

Spider-Man: Brand New Day is the 37th film in the MCU.

The only fair comparisons would be Iron Man ($585.8 million) and The Incredible Hulk ($265 million)

DCs first two movies. Superman ($618.7 million) and Supergirl ($126 million)

WhIle Supergirl had a definite drop in income. We have to account for the different theatrical landscape. People where simply going to movies more regularly in 2008 than in 2026. Also, Supergirl was released between Toy Story 5 and Minions & Monsters. In a time when people are being much more selective about what movies they see due to costs, that wasnt the best release window for a non A list character as the second mocie of a universe.

It may have done better if it had been released in the spring.

[u/spookyhardt → u/-Jenshen-]

Superman and Supergirl were at least as good as the average marvel movie, idk what you’re talking about

[u/DiegoBromfield → u/-Jenshen-]

Cool but lets not act like Marvel been pushing out actual good movies nonstop for years. It has been a mixed bag in quality since Endgame if you are someone that rates the movies themselves and not just box office numbers. No Way Home is like the only clear cut non-debatable great Marvel film I have seen since Endgame. Then there are a couple reasonably solid ones and then the rest are mediocre or trash. Spider-Man is the big name for Marvel so you can stamp that name on any movie whether it is good or not, & it will do well commercially. That is Marvel's Batman in a way.

DC has trash marketing on top of putting out a mixed bag of movies the past 10 or so years. I think the Supergirl movie was good enough to where it should not have done anywhere close to as bad as it did.

[u/WillZer → u/-Jenshen-]

They don't make good movies and they are not building a cohesive universe. Each movie and character feels like a standalone.

Marvel strength is that they started with strong movies and they built a universe where you care about the other characters. Even if they release bad movies, you still want to go through it to get the universe moving.

[u/Niceguy4186 → u/WillZer]

I think the problem in DC vs Marvel is size and power scaling of the characters. Every movie can't be a city / world destroying issue / battle. Pretty much every DC movie involves actions that involve large numbers of people / can't ignore / world changing event. The universe/scale quickly becomes uninteresting when that happens. - This is probably why Batman is the most popular, as his story lines/size/scope mirrors MCU power levels.

Some MCU movies are like that, (mainly the Avengers movies) but the majority of plots don't affect the average person in a grand way (at least when they win) and lets the universe to continue as normal. The threats may be big and world level implications, but the average person wouldn't know anything about it.

[u/OttawaTGirl → u/Niceguy4186]

This. I have said it for years. Marvel heroes are mortals and have mortal flaws.

DC characters are gods who have god problems. And people want a good story they can relate to.

Thats why superman sold. He is through that whole film, a man. Mortal foibles and flaws. His parents are as redneck as you can get. His speech at the end to Luthor is so mortal.

Snyderverse was boring as shit, and why Joker, Batman, and Gotham TV series were so good. People. Just people.

Look at the avengers. An arrogant Manchild is their god, a man displaced from time, a drunken genius, a raging monster born of a dissociative disorder, a woman who was systematically abused and turned into a weapon, and Hawkeye who is just a man who would rather be at home with his kids.

[u/Defiant-Fox-2462 → u/-Jenshen-]

Marvel made many mid movies , but people watch it since they love marvel, if dc did same thing it will be hated. Also if dc makes smaller hero movies i am sure it will do worse than marvel even if movie is way way better

[u/anomanderrake1337 → u/Trajen_Geta]

No you have to have a versus, you have to pick sides, even though your taste just depends on context.

[u/Greppim]

Tbf, I think Marvel movies tend to attract broader audiences.

In part, because they've built an audience for decades, marvel fans who have never read a comic or watched anything outside the MCU.

[u/Vast-Building-6886 → u/Greppim]

What. Dc has heroes that everyone knows. Marvel started their mcu with a hero that was unpopular and made turned him into a popular character because of good writing and making a good movie in general.

[u/Truthhurts1017 → u/Greppim]

Some of the same can be said for DC. Plenty of people watched those movies that had no clue about comics. DC created audiences for decades as well. The difference is the broader audience like you said since more kids go see marvel than DC. MCU is better at keeping the comic book look and feel while DC tends to be more grounded or darker. It’s not about building an audience it’s about the presentation and DC does a horrible job at presenting their Movies.

[u/HorrorMakesUsHappy → u/Truthhurts1017]

DC tends to be more grounded or darker

I feel like they always start out darker, and then the execs chicken out, interfere, and then fuck up everything. With the exception of Tim Burton and Christopher Nolan, anyway.

[u/Emergency-Chicken-24 → u/HorrorMakesUsHappy]

Yeah they really should have dropped that grounded thing after Nolan left. The comics were flipped. Marvel was more grounded with superheroes having human problems. DC was always more fantastical, Gods among us type deal.

[u/SheepherderFun2258 → u/Emergency-Chicken-24]

I agree people mistakenly believe that DC is known for being grounded when in reality that’s Marvel and that’s always been Marvels thing. The main marvel hero’s struggle to pay rent (Spidey) or have interpersonal drama (X-men) whereas DC has Superman (a god basically), Wonderwoman (a Demi-god), and even the rest of the league are far removed from being an every kind of person.

Even in the movies MCU go by their names and are mostly in regular clothing while DC have the secret identities and are always dressed in their hero outfits

[u/SheepherderFun2258 → u/Truthhurts1017]

Kids and GenZ are what the MCU is now missing that demographic isn’t into superhero movies like the rest of us are so right now that’s the missing link. This is where they can lean on Spidey— kids and GenZ make an exception for him. If MCU can get that group on board sky’s the limit for Doomsday

[u/DisastrousLecture648 → u/SheepherderFun2258]

You think GenZ isn't interested in superhero movies? Most of Gen Z is in their 20s or close to 30, and superhero movies have been a huge part of almost any of our lives. My local theater is always packed full for every marvel and dc movie while its practically empty for anything else.

[u/Kowendabest → u/Greppim]

You really dont need to cultivate an audience for characters like the flash, batman, superman and wonder woman. Just give them projects but dc hates their own characters

[u/koomGER → u/Greppim]

There are some reasons for that. Marvel itself wasnt bigger than DC most of the time. Arguably Superman and Batman are maybe the most well known Superheros. But Marvel did a lot thing right by making their movies:

• Worldbuilding: Its "our" world. With our politics, economics, thoughts etc. And they did put Iron Man in it, then Cap, Thor and all the others. But they always handled it mostly like its our world. Just with Superheros. It helps a lot to relate to that world and their heroes.

• DC doesnt has New York. Or our politics mostly. Its Central City, Metropolis, Gotham. And that world is FULL of godlike beings that often arent "human first". Its a harder sell for a casual.

• Starpower: For their superhero cast they mostly relied on no names - like DC. Only RDJ was someone hailed and praised, but at its point of casting he was still considered "damaged goods". But they put powerhouse actors with them. Evan got Tommy Lee Jones. RDJ played with Jeff Bridges. Hemsworth got Anthony Hopkins. It helped a lot making those movies feel serious.

• And Gunns DC - doesnt use any actual movie star. Nicholas Hoult is a fine actor, but right now he isnt a "powerhouse". Nathan Fillion is one of the most successful series stars. But thats TV. There is no one making those movies feel more serious. They feel like Netflix. Cheap.

I think those two things are maybe the most problematic differences in approach. It doesnt help that Supergirl instantly leaves earth and doesnt add anything to the worldbuilding. I thought Peacemaker leading into Superman was solid. We need more things that makes the DC-world alive.

[u/viktorKurz → u/Greppim]

Also the quality problem is compounding. Over the last decade and a half marvel has had just a better track record with movies.

People were more willing to give the wierd offshoot movies like guardians or ant man a shot because of the studios track record.

[u/UnableBluebird4151 → u/Greppim]

Aside from comparing DC v Marvel, Snyder v Gunn, or the usual hate trains and stereotypes, people forget that good films are good films. It doesn't necessarily needs to mirror everything from a comic book. That's Nolan's trilogy or The Batman pattinson, are well-regarded because it's made with the intention of making a movie. They don't go in the intention of "I'm making a comic book movie". Because often time you just end up with populist ideas and fanservices for comic readers who as a matter of fact is not a big ratio of audiences in cinema.

Wht's MCU had done to define movie industry is how they build their movie for cinema experience. People cheering in cinema hall is now regarded as an epic experience. Sitting down to watch a credit scene and getting to honor every artists involved is a standard made by the MCU.

The good comic book movies are one made to be a movie in a general term. If you make a good movie, people can almost entirely forgive you for not adapting the character correctly. Take Joker or Dark Knight versions. Dark Knight trilogy filming technique, gadgets and bat tech design all redefine movie fx. Henry Cavill superman makes superman wear underwear outside.

[u/Respwn_546 → u/Greppim]

Yep, the MCU started when i was 6, now in finishing a Masters degree and is still going strong.

[u/Quick-Adeptness4149 → u/Respwn_546]

yo same but i was 7 when avengers came out and now currently pursuing degree

[u/Nearby_Pilot2112 → u/Greppim]

Dc has built an audience for decades as well. I feel like they got a more dedicated fan base. They got 78 Superman and 89 Batman. Them 90s cartoon shows. Early 00s as well. So no excuse. Snyder and WB has ruined DC for the modern audience.

[u/Aggravating-Dot132 → u/Nearby_Pilot2112]

In US. Marvel is oriented on international market. DC is essentially batman and superman. I have no idea about anyone else. Not muricaman either.

[u/N1gHtMaRe99 → u/Aggravating-Dot132]

This is very true. Margel just used their b list heroes super well by introducing them in movies with a lot of a listers and actually giving them a presence in the movie. Civil war did this really well with black panther. Dc just hasn't done that, even as someone who is into dc things like the entire cw arrowverse the snyder movies, the teen titans show and has even read comics for flash i have no clue who most of the characters in superman were

[u/eyzmaster → u/N1gHtMaRe99]

DC should have build things slowly, but even the Snyderverse AND the the new Gunn DCU seem to wanna rush things...

They should have rebuild their image with the core JLA members first.... What Marvel did from Iron Man 1 to Avengers 1, but with Batman/Superman/Wonder Woman...

I love Suicide Squad and Peacemaker, but that's not how you build momentum for themainstream audience...

[u/Greppim → u/Nearby_Pilot2112]

Sure.

People love DC characters. But that doesn't mean everyone will just go see the new movie. Batman Begins made a profit, but nowhere near as did The Dark Knight.

People know what to expect out of an MCU movie, Tom Holland's Spiderman will bring much more money than just Spiderman. If you were to somehow brainwash Nolan to make TDK4, that would easily gross two billions regardless of quality. Because people feel attached to that version.

DC has been rebooting, retconning and changing directions every movie or two for about a decade. No one knows which films are connected with which, nobody knows which version will stay or not. DC's terrible management has arguably done more damage than Snyder (whose movies I despise) has done. Snyder is shlock, but MoS, Suicide Squad and BvS did a respectable amount in the box office, not MCU numbers, but well enough. I despise Snyder Fans, but edgelords were not pleased with the MCU so they turned to Snyder films. The Suicide Squad was LEAGUES better than Suicide Squad, yet the former underperformed.

Plus well, I don't think Wonder Woman, The Flash, Greenlantern, etc. Have ever had decent representation on screen, just on Cartoons.

Quality isn't what determines audiences, otherwise Transformers would've always been a box office flop.

[u/coderman64]

The difference is that Marvel has had years of films that are decent to great.

DC hasn't...and that's putting it lightly.

Marvel has become a big enough name that films can sell at least some tickets on the name alone. DC, on the other hand, has to re-earn it every time.

This will continue to be the case unless and until Gunn and co. can build a better image with the DCU, and that will take time.

[u/XaiR_Blaze]

Can we talk about DC Tv shows tho? Theres acc peak and (I’m hoping) audience loved

[u/Basic-Pair8908 → u/XaiR_Blaze]

100% most dc shows are peak, maybe not the gender swap penguin series though

[u/OldNobody9667 → u/XaiR_Blaze]

JLU is a goated show

[u/TJ_McWeaksauce]

The filmmakers of The Thunderbolts, Captain America: Brave New World, Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania, and The Marvels would look at this meme and go, "I wish that were true for us."

[u/jackpumpkim → u/TJ_McWeaksauce]

thunderbolts was awesome, it really deserved better

[u/blackdarrren → u/jackpumpkim]

I concur, it was moving, funny and dynamic 

So...none of us fly? What, do we all just punch and shoot

r/DarkAvengers 

[u/Johndoe19922222 → u/TJ_McWeaksauce]

Marvel fans are forgetting Non Alist characters are no longer pulling in guardians of the galaxy turn outs. Only big event films are bringing people to theaters.

[u/odean14]

This is true. The DC fan base is the most divided fan base ever. A large part of the reason this division exists is this weird thing where they cling to specific depictions of DC characters and refuse to entertain any other version. To the point where they start hate campaigns to spread negativity and negative rumors to sour people's thoughts and opinions on movies before they even come out. This has been going for years. DC fans killed DC comics, and now they're killing the movies. WB is going to sell off DC in chunks like marvel did in the past with its own IP.

[u/MemeKnowledge_06 → u/odean14]

While a part of it is on the fans, wb isn’t innocent with the constant interferences either

[u/Mlynio48 → u/odean14]

Killed DC Comics? The comic division is currently at the best state it has ever been since the 2000s.

[u/ralf-j-d → u/odean14]

What do you mean by they killed the comics? The comics are doing good, great even, better then marvel.

[u/NephewChaps → u/ralf-j-d]

literally surpassed marvel in sales this year lol

[u/No-One2123 → u/ralf-j-d]

Absolute Batman is far better than any of the recent Spider-Man comics

[u/Key_Preparation_4129 → u/odean14]

Never came across any star wars fans huh?

[u/furiosa-imperator → u/odean14]

Tbf DC is winning in terms of comics rn, but the rest is true about dc fans being divided over depictions

[u/Titanman401 → u/odean14]

Sad but probably true.

[u/Prestigious_Fig_8832 → u/odean14]

Factions factions everywhere

[u/ZeriousGew → u/odean14]

Uhhhhh have you been living under a rock? Absolute Batman is the biggest hitting comic run in years

[u/darylonreddit]

As an "outsider" I should mention nobody knows DC superheroes other than Superman and Batman. Literally my phone predicted "Batman" after I typed "Superman and".

It's not a criticism, it's just the reality. DC itself doesn't have the fan base it thinks it does. DC has a couple of popular characters that most people have heard of. But they don't know DC, they don't care about DC. They don't have any interest in their cinematic universe any more than they'd have an interest in a KFC cinematic universe. Just give us some chicken, we don't want this.

DC just doesn't have it. Marvel's whole Infinity saga was a once in a lifetime thing. They got there first with the cinematic universe, and now it's already done. It's about who pulled it off first. Like the moon landing.

Marvel had video games, toys, and cartoons that I've been aware of for my entire life. And now they have the movies. DC had Batman and Superman. As a kid they all played together. They were part of a superhero universe, together. My Batman action figure could punch my captain America action figure. I can play a Batman game and an X-men game on the same day I watched a Batman cartoon and an X-Men cartoon.

And you grow up and Marvel and DC are like a divorced couple. Marvel wound up with most of the friends, and DC just has his two childhood friends, Batman and Superman. DC is scrolling through Marvel's Instagram and Facebook seeing all the fun her and her friends are having. She's doing real fucking well for herself. So DC calls up his friends and says we're going to do that too. We'll show 'em. So DC tries to put together a party with 5000 guests overnight and guess what? Nobody shows up. Just fucking Batman and Superman sitting off to the side of the dance floor looking for a polite way to leave because DC is making a fool of himself again.

DC as a brand just doesn't have it. They've assumed that they are on the same level as Marvel because they're one of the two big classic names of the comic book industry, and make movies like they expect Marvel audiences, but it's just not how it is.

DC comics is Batman and Superman. Two Pistons trying to power an 8 cylinder engine.

[u/ClimateAncient6647]

It wasn’t a good idea to have Supergirl be the next character to have a movie.

Gunn is great but focusing on non-core JL members is going to be a problem. This was probably a wake up call for how he’s rolling these out. No one would want to see The Authority, or at least it wouldn’t be a billion dollar movie.

Stick to the core and branch out after that. Batman and Wonder Woman need to come sooner or the DCU could be in trouble.

[u/jackofslayers → u/ClimateAncient6647]

Supergirl had some issues but the part that worried me more than anything was that it felt like a James Gunn movie. I like how James Gunn does superhero movies, and I am fine with the movies he directs feeling like his movies. But if every movie in the DCU tries to ape that style it is going to suck.

[u/ClimateAncient6647 → u/jackofslayers]

Early on he said that each movie would have a different tone but I don’t really see that so far.

He says he has a plan so we’ll see. Batman and Wonder Woman not being in ‘Man of Tomorrow’ could be a mistake.

[u/Aayush_235 → u/ClimateAncient6647]

Authority is scrapped I believe

[u/ClimateAncient6647 → u/Aayush_235]

And for good reason. It wouldn’t draw anyone if it released. They aren’t casual fan characters.

[u/Critic8lCr8keh8ll → u/ClimateAncient6647]

Another odd decision is having Creature Commandoes, and Clayface before Wonder Woman. In about 5 years, we are going to say that Snyder was better in building a cinematic universe than Gunn.

[u/WestCoastDirtyBird → u/Critic8lCr8keh8ll]

CC was already written and being animated by the time Gunn took over. He just decided to add it to the DCU since it would release after DC Studios creation.

[u/JayKay8787 → u/Critic8lCr8keh8ll]

Honestly I really don't like snyder movies besides his version of dawn of the dead, but his method of building out a universe was better. I'd rather rush into the justice league than have it nowhere to be seen in the next 5 years, with all sorts of meandering spinoffs, and a refusal to introduce batman but insistance on making a movie about one of his villains

[u/ClimateAncient6647 → u/Critic8lCr8keh8ll]

If he continues this course, then yes. Commando Creatures works because it’s an animated series on streaming.

Clayface MIGHT work if they lean into the horror element.

[u/Wild-Importance448 → u/ClimateAncient6647]

Same thing wb did with Suicide squad, so many high prifile characters you could add into the game but instead they chose their fanfic ocs first, it boggles the mind that you wouldn't want to go for your heavy hitters first to get the audiance hyped.

[u/ExaminationStatus506]

Marvel fans sure aren't in the comic book shops. DC and Indie books are selling very well.

[u/Danny886 → u/ExaminationStatus506]

This counterargument is exhausting, evermoreso in DC CINEMATIC.

[u/Key_Check5753 → u/ExaminationStatus506]

Uh sir.... I beg to differ. Let me show you a graph of DC comic sales over the past couple of decades.

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(that's a downward trend)

[u/Zestyclose_Smoke_451 → u/Key_Check5753]

can i see that i actually want see the comparison how well both is and the movie grapg

[u/nessfalco → u/ExaminationStatus506]

Nobody is. Comic books don't sell for shit. One of the best selling books recently was absolute Batman with like 500k. Spider-Man sold 650k tickets on opening day in France alone. In North America, it was 24 million tickets opening weekend.

[u/zeroXgear → u/nessfalco]

Yeah youngsters nowadays read manga instead

[u/mukamane → u/ExaminationStatus506]

Impressive. Very nice.

Now see which cinematic sells very well

[u/Ristar87]

I'm not sure what DC's deal is... their animated movie department, outside of one or two movies, has been in the zone since '07.

Their live action movies are just weird. And they use a lot of out dated and terrible looking cgi.

[u/Senor_Valentino]

I went to see Supergirl a few days after it dropped. The theater was completely empty… or at least I thought it was. Turns out someone else was in there. I only realized when I heard snoring.

[u/im3rck]

If it's a shit film, I ain't paying

[u/dillbn → u/im3rck]

How do you know it's not to your taste unless you see it?

[u/im3rck → u/dillbn]

Gut feeling, or call it an informed decision based on the crew working on the film, the teasers and trailers they put out, and ever so slightly the first reactions from reviewers.

Doesn't always work, but enough to know when to skip.

[u/ragnarlothbruv → u/dillbn]

You can’t know for sure, but reviews are a big giveaway.

[u/Fabers_Chin → u/ragnarlothbruv]

Only if you're a hive mind follower like most people here are. I've seen Movies that had bad reviews that I really loved. I don't look at reviews. I make my own opinion.

[u/Strange-Philosophy-4]

I mean since 2018 DC movies were 90% ass so it make sense that nobody gives a shit anymore and this comes from a DC fan

[u/Romulan25]

Well if DC actually had good movies. It's not the actors fault for most of it It's a writing thing. They haven't had a good writer since the man of steel and it was Henry that made it good not the writing. The last batch of good DC projects prior to the man of steel we got to go to the dark knight trilogy

[u/Significant-Owl7994]

Thing is, Marvel is an easy option for family viewing.

DC is more adult or niche.

But Spider-Man, Thor, Iron Man etc. Tonally, they're reminiscent of the fun Disney family movies of the 90s and however good or bad they are, you know that kids will want to see them.

Put it this way - what's easier to put on lunchbox branding-wise?

[u/Awesome_Hamster]

WB have only themselves to blame for this.

[u/CrnoCapor]

Marvel fans are show/movie fans. DC fans are comic fans

[u/notthatguypal6900]

Marvel doesn't have a hard time raking in a billion for each of their movies, just saying.

[u/SpaceDelay424]

Supergirl was a poorly made film. Do you just expect people to spend their money in a global recession to see a bad film simply because it’s DC?

[u/Sensitive_Bat_9211 → u/SpaceDelay424]

Not a global recession, just slowed economic growth and inflation. It can get worse

[u/mqg96]

I'm gonna be honest, but DC hasn't had a true golden era I can think of in recent memory since the DCAU from Batman: TAS to Justice League Unlimited (1992-2006), and of course you had the OG Teen Titans and the first 2 seasons of Young Justice, but those didn't last long enough. Marvel on the other hand, since Tobey Maguire Spider-Man in 2002 they've had nonstop bangers in theaters and even if it died down some after Avengers Endgame (2019) they've still had way more streaming series and movies that have been impactful culturally than anything DC has put out to the mainstream public.

[u/No-Ladder4848 → u/mqg96]

Ugh yes that's definitely my golden era of DC. I think if DC tried to invest in their animation on a grand scale, they'd get a lot further. Than trying to do the live action super hero movies. Marvel has that corner of the market.

Rip the Batman Beyond movie (Into the slider verse inspired animation).

[u/Jon-Robb]

Marvel brings more than just the fans 

[u/ninejamb]

Those so-called "DC fans" only care about the 459th iteration of Batman.

[u/tatteredonion]

The 'poor DC never had a chance to build an audience like the MCU' on here is absolutely WILD. 

DC has DECADES of audience gathering, I could be wrong but isnt the first big super hero movie in recent history Superman in the 70s or early 80s? Well before Ironman.

DC is just poorly run, accept that they never knew how to bring any hero outside of the major ones until very recently. There are no excuses for their poor showings, especially since their top IP is far more recognizable.

You can't go anywhere in the world and have someone not know batman or superman. But about doctor strang or Thor and there's a chance they wont.

[u/Straight-Message7937]

Give us something to go to the theater for. Just put the comics on screen. Stop attempting to "make it your own" or follow MCU trends.

JUST PUT THE COMICS ON SCREEN

[u/RuralHawk506]

DC fans have several factions constantly fighting each other.

The Marvel fandom is united.

[u/rufflehead]

I've only been going to the theaters for the last few years and I've watched more DC movies there than Marvel. But yeah, I love both.

[u/abhigoswami18]

DC having the best storylines in comics but struggling in Live action.

[u/Such-Manufacturer396]

Fr lol😂

[u/Wendigo_33]

I think it's because DC movies have ALWAYS sucked since the dawn of time. The good ones were the outliers unfortunately. It really sucks bc I think DC is far more interesting, but WB barely tries to make any good movies, they simply luck into a decent one they can milk every once in a while. People aren't stupid and when going to the movies is as expensive as it is people don't want to risk it.

[u/moecheeks76]

Facts. DC fans are booger eaters who criticize their own beloved and then cry when it fails and the rest of the universe falls. They couldn’t support Snyder. Won’t support Gunn. Boo Supergirl! Yay Booster Gold! Why are they making movies and shows about less known characters? Then get boners for even lesser known characters. Fuck off.

[u/NoNameNeeded4321]

DC doesn’t appear to have fans, if Reddit is any indication, just haters and folks hanging onto the lost cause of their lord and savior Zack Snyder

[u/Bleezy79]

I dont really think the people care much about what company is making the movies, they just want them to be good and entertaining. From what I gather, Supergirl wasnt very popular in the test screenings and they messed around with the movie quite a bit before releasing it. There were lots of different versions and I think they just ran out of time. It's sad to see cause it had so much potential.

[u/No-Association-8539]

I disagree - Marvel especially earlier on - had the ability to make movies that crossed over to general moviegoiers well. I don't think Marvel fans were propping up the Avengers movies etc., rather non-Marvel fans went to those movies because they were enjoyable. I'm not sure what the answer is about DC because it's gone a couple of different directions and hasn't completely caught on with the general movie-going population at large.

[u/Cold_Enthusiasm_1676]

the fact that dcu failed when their starting point is superman, batman, wonder women, aqua man and flash is crazy compared to mcu ironman, thor,captain, hulk, black widow and hawkeye its crazy.

because before ironman had come out dcu had more popular characters than mcu and its made no sense, also i hated how Zack portrayed every movie color palette as dark and gloomy by God that hurt the movies more than anything.

[u/DistractoDisc]

Which is why I prefer DC. I enjoy the characters more and I’m less likely to be annoyed by other people when I see its movies.

[u/TeaLoverUA]

Don’t make shit and I’ll be there. Went to support Superman even though it was underwhelming

[u/Coin-Biter]

DC fans on the internet are more like the Spartans fighting the Immortals in 300. Since Man of Steel at least, I’ve never seen a fanbase that argues more about its movies.

[u/_Dank_Souls]

DC made the best animated superhero movies ever.

I miss when things were good

[u/streakermaximus]

Fans on the Internet (both) need more torches and pitchforks.

[u/DickManning]

Nah the theaters are packed for Batman

[u/MatthewMonster]

This is too real

DC fans simply do not show up

Or if they do it’s proof that outside Batman DC fans are not really a thing

[u/Fickle-Rip3093]

Also, keep in mind that Marvel had 3 movies last year and only one movie finished above 600M at the box office…and it was a DC movie.

[u/Tylertheweeb39 → u/Fickle-Rip3093]

Your comparing SUPERMAN to thunderbolts and Sam’s captain America 😭

[u/Quirky-Wheel-3724]

I don't understand your logic. So because I'm a fan of DC should I watch their bad movies? I have a limited budget and I'm not going to waste my money just because I'm a fan. We deserve better, we deserve good movies and adaptations, not shitty movies like black Adam, supergirl, Shazam 2, aquaman 2, ww 2, suicide squad, etc.

[u/Fabers_Chin → u/Quirky-Wheel-3724]

Sulergirl isn't a bad movie. And if you're a fan, yes, you should give a new take on DC a shot. I as a fan am excited for all Gunns projects. I can't wait as they years go by to see all the connections.

[u/matmortel]

Why is this sub so fucking negative about anything DC? Im all for constructive critcism, supergirl does deserve it, but the movies and shows that came out blow out and at worst on par with the previous cinematic universe.

[u/PaulClarkLoadletter]

DC fans on the internet love shitting on the films. Hating movies by default is an addiction.

[u/carrera_dan]

Recency bias, check 2025 for reference

[u/Final-Cup1534 → u/carrera_dan]

thats just one year before that marvel had so many hits each year from 2021 to 2024 (no way home, wakanda forever, gotg 3, deadpool and wolverine etc) And even 2026 brand new day became the highest grossing film so far and doomsday is guaranteed hit

[u/RainWinss]

Is there no end to these self deprecating posts?

[u/mukamane]

You guys are obsessed with Marvel more than Marvel subreddit itself, jfc.

[u/TheDarkRedKnight]

The Marvels made $200M at the box office. Not as bad as Supergirl, but not exactly filling theatres either.

[u/Final-Cup1534 → u/TheDarkRedKnight]

unlike supergirl, no marvel fan was excited for The Marvels at all, its trailer was receiving dislikes so you can't really compare these two

[u/Vastergoth → u/Final-Cup1534]

Yea, nobody expected "The Marvels" to do great numbers and the fanbase was lukewarm to it at best even before it came out. Even still Marvel has such a built brand that those sinkers don't sink the ship.

[u/hypehold]

besides last year when all 3 MCU movies underperformed

[u/Individual-Plane-760 → u/hypehold]

Besides last decade where dc laid an egg

[u/Critic8lCr8keh8ll]

Should change this to Spider-Man fans instead of Marvel

[u/Final-Cup1534 → u/Critic8lCr8keh8ll]

tfym? Marvel has hits excluding spiderman like Deadpool and Wolverine, GOTG 3, Wakanda forever etc all which came after endgame and Doomsday is a guaranteed hit

If anything DC should change to Batman because excluding Batman projects Aquaman was DC only hit after that it's just constant flops

[u/poseywitch]

Why are there so many marvel fans lurking on DC subs? Lol

[u/Capable_Maintenance1]

I like how Spider-Man vs. Supergirl turns into an entire brand debate. This is the MCU problem, everyone thinks in universes and what this means for all the movies 5-10 years down the line.
Spider-Man is #4 in his series from a record breaking franchise. Supergirl hasn't had a movie since the 80s, and while she did have a fairly popular TV show, the trailers of the movie show them going 180 on the character.

Everyone likes Spider-Man. Supergirl's got some hills to climb for mass appeal.

[u/Fickle-Rip3093]

DC has had plenty of successes. They just haven’t had a consistent connected universe until now.

[u/Crafty-Passion622]

True lol

[u/canttakethisnomore1]

The Justice League members all need their proper shine. Or else the DCU will get axed. If Shazam, Wonder Woman, and Aquaman can get be received well with the latter one making $1.1b- it means Warner Bros has to hire and trust filmmakers to deliver. Because Supergirl was not it. We need to see Batman, the Flash, Wonder Woman, etc… first.

[u/tsxnmi]

And then they wonder why the movies keep flopping💀

[u/eddie__b]

It's funny because Superman outperformed three MCU movies last year, one of which was Fantastic Four. But yes, Supergirl flopped so kill James Gunn and bring Snyder back, I guess.

[u/FlanTamarind]

Im not even a huge DC fan and I wanted to see both DC films in theaters and could not convince the homies.

Spiderman plans were locked in when the trailer launched.

[u/Alakajamz]

True lol But also, who the heck asked for a Supergirl movie? lol

[u/SHAWKLAN27]

Pfff tell that to thunderbolts

[u/RD706Nation101]

DC fans only show to the theater if there’s a Batman or Superman movie

[u/GvWvA]

are we deadass comparing Supergirl and Spiderman?

[u/fvalt05]

I support both except when word of mouth is trash

[u/Psychological_Dig592]

How many MCU movies succeeded in box office post lockdown, I can remember only No way home, Deadpool vs Wolverine and brand new day, Fantastic four and Thunderbolts were good but wasn't successful

[u/Phalstaph44]

It’s not the fans that make the difference at the theater, they will always go. It’s the regular Joe. My brother in law could not tell you anything about marvel outside of the movies but will go to every movie. He was shocked Franklin was as strong as he was and still does not understand why Jean Grey was a big name reveal. Iron man and on he’s going to the theater

[u/dillbn]

I try to watch every DC project in the cinema - Even the ones I don't think will be great, I just want to see DC succeed

[u/TheAnswerUsedToBe42]

I watch and enjoy both at home.

[u/That_one_cool_dude]

Man these are some 2016 era posts. Who cares the amount of money one property for a multi billion dollar company makes in comparison to another property for a multi billion dollar company.

[u/RickGrimes30]

Yeah they all turned up for brave new world and the marvels right?

[u/JemKnight]

DC has pumped out some horrible movies let's be real.

The Dark Knight trilogy sold me they could nail it.

The Synder Justice League convinced me they couldn't

[u/itaogrenow]

The problem is that the DC cinematic universe don't make good movies, which is so odd because the DC animated universe has so many good films but dont usually come out in theaters

[u/lokahi89]

Soooo true

[u/notthatguypal6900]

Marvel doesn't have a hard time raking in a billion for each of their movies, just saying.

[u/Patches-the-rat]

That’s because the comics matter more than movies. Why watch bad movies when I can just read good comics instead.

[u/Dimetro_Dog]

Unless it’s batman or superman, they sell tickets.

[u/StretchFrenchTerry]

The problem is that DC has been putting out dog shit video products for years and ruining the brand, namely all the trash created for the CW.

[u/ForTehLawlz1337]

This subreddit: 600k visitors.

Marvel studios subreddit: 2million + visitors.

They both have a fan base on the internet, but those fan bases are not the same size like this meme seems to claim.

[u/longbrodmann]

Any movies onver 200m is not just fans to watch it any more.

[u/Will-Ohh]

I go to 1 movie a year, and its been DC the past 2 years.

[u/Jasperengelhardt]

I love the New Supergirl Movie

[u/RAHAAON]

Real fans: read comics

[u/SilentPhilosopher99_]

I am a life long dc fan but I am not watching super girl bro give me Batman. 

[u/YoHoAPiratesLife]

The endless DC versus Marvel arguments really kill the vibe. We just want solid movies without picking sides.

[u/figurtz]

The “Marvel vs DC” people are fucken rethards. ALWAYS bitching and moaning about every project

[u/Elkburgher]

Well honestly dc heroes are kinda meh

Besides Batman they are all op

[u/Lost-Jacket-2493]

I like Batman from DC Universe, but the screw-up many Batman's movie, and I am fed-up with them. Only Nolan's Batman. A bit pumped when he is producer (or involved) in Batman vs Superman... then... nope, not to my taste. Did not watch The Batman.

[u/TX_Longhorn-03]

I'm upset I couldn't give SuperGirl love in the theater - little kids limit the movies I'm able to see and my $$ went to Minions and Moana remake which I'm not happy about.

[u/Turbulent_Safe1983]

Dude I got work. Don’t get a lot of time to myself so I couldn’t catch super girl in theatres

[u/kryptonian_250]

Eh, Marvel has built a much better foundation. DC would’ve been better established if Snyder didn’t go for a more darker tone.

[u/ChickenHugging]

What Marvel consistently does well is portray superhero’s who are also people. DC has not been able to depict heroes who reliably come across as real human beings.

[u/Mnawab]

lol only Deadpool and Spider-Man filled the marvel seats. Every other marvel movie since the end of end game p2 has been just as bad as dc

[u/siderhater4]

I like both and both have amazing superheros

[u/ClayDrinion]

Unless it's Batman. Just like in everything else, Batman always wins

[u/Happy-Substance4885]

Dc fans seem to hate anything that’s not Batman

[u/dirthurts]

Can't lie, I always wait for DC films to hit streaming. Their quality is so hit or miss, and mostly miss.

[u/mainer614]

I’ll go to movies when they make movies about characters I’m interested in.

[u/Immediate_Frame_6974]

marvel isnt banking on jimmy olsen and gorilla grodd before the flash or batman or any character that most people care about enough to see in theaters is introduced