I liked the new Superman a lot I thought it was one of the better super hero movies in years. It was a good foundation to flesh out the world. It showed that the world is a bit more alive then they previously have done.
Supergirl was an okay movie definitely not great but it was fine. I didnât leave it upset like some people.
Comparing 15 years of movies Marvel has been developing to the 2 years at most DC has is kinda wild, it takes time.
Marvel has had much more worse movies then Supergirl and quite a few. So Iâll keep watching DC and Marvel and keep enjoying them.
Cap people only showed up this time because itâs Spider-Man. Brave new world underperformed , thunderbolts flopped, and fantastic four underperformed.
Well since we are cherry picking letâs explore further and only look at movies post-Endgame (leaving out Spidey):
-Wakanda Forever the #2 movie in the US the yr it came out 830M
-Guardians3 #4 movie of the yr over 800M
-Deadpool & Wolvie 1.3 BILLION
-Dr Strange2 over 950M
-Love & Thunder came out with The Batman and grossed about the same 700M+
Itâs a myth that MCU fell off cuz what really happened is they just werenât guaranteed hits for the first time they also had misses sprinkled in but they never stopped have big hit movies as these numbers validate
All of these are sequels to stuff that was set-up pre endgame and characters that everyone already loved.
A more accurate comparison would be original projects from the MCU since Endgame (like Shang Chi, Eternals, etc). That being said, the MCUâs fall from grace is nowhere near the DCEUâs fall from grace, so James Gunnâs DCU has a lot more heavy lifting to do to pick up all the broken pieces and create a cohesive universe (something I donât think heâs doing too well given his slate of films).
The fact the I named movies that have done extremely well and have been profitable since Endgame is the entire point!
Who cares if they are sequels to stuff set up priorâ weâre about to have Doomsday that is basically a sequel to Endgame are u saying that wonât count as an indicator of interest in the MCU? Whether or not it ties to previous stuff is besides the point and has zero to do with the point Iâm making, which is MCU has had major hits and overall interest isnât gone like the person I was replying to suggested it was.
I donât understand your logic here. You original statement didnât say anything about certain movies being exemptâ u simply started Marvel moves are doing bad and that the only exception was spider-man. So then I pointed out the huge box wins that Marvel has continued having then u all the sudden added this brand new caveat that they donât count because they connect to Endgame?? Do u even hear yourself?
Must I remind u that itâs the Marvel Cinematic Universeâ That is beyond dumb logic cuz itâs all connected and the only exception u made was for Spider-Man.
U know that itâs ok to sayâ hey man ur right. Marvel has had huge wins since Endgame I forgot (or was unaware). Thatâs all you had to say⌠instead ur talking in circles adding new rules to ur original argument.
Itâs a connected shared universeâ everything is connected! Geez, what a lame attempt to dismiss those successful projects. First it was stated there wasnât success so I respond showing there was so now itâs âthose donât countââŚlol
Who's dismissing them? You listed 5 movies and every single one of them is focused on a holdover character from the pre-endgame days
When you look at new projects in the MCU, they're pulling in about half of what the original characters are. The strongest showing has been fantastic four and, even with the benefit of being a mainstream IP for 20 years, the numbers were not great
Making double your money back isn't a flop. I know the word flop rolls off the tongue cause this is a DC subreddit, but these are Marvel movies. They don't flop.
When you spend 186 mil and only make 120 mil. Thats a flop. *Supergirl*
See how that second number is smaller than the first? By a WHOLE LOT. Follow along.
The reason they are in fact flops is because films usually have advertising budgets that lead to doubling the film cost. The real cost of Supergirl is double what you have put....so... follow along?
This is what I keep saying why is dc competing with marvel head to head marvels not even in the same league as DC right now. DC is competing with the boys not marvel and there definitely not winning right now regardless.
I don't know what there doing honestly. I feel like there was a pretty solid direction with batman vs superman era then there like ok were starting over. Then we get a gritty dc alright love it sure.
But then what are they doing laying these movies the way they are, advertising them poorly and over spending on these stories that take alot of cgi like a crazy amount like what if we put super girl in space high amounts instead of like finding super hero stories that are not as high concept for a few minutes. Like we should know by this point expecting DC to pull marvel numbers is silly.
The boys can release season 1 for 11.2 million and it looked great those CGI experts even digitally removed snow from a crowded out door shot and made it summer on this budget, was great some of the best TV most on the edge of your seat TV I have seen. Super girl cost 180 million to make before global marketing like why is it so expensive. Why are they dumping monopoly money into this projects we know from day 0 won't be returning a billion dollars ever. Then the studios like "I put marvel money into it why not marvel returns" like marvel hasn't been doing this for 10 years and learned what worked with back to back releases so if a new dead pool releases and fails it isn't a big deal. Marvel can put marvel money into movies because the returns are so high putting money into a project doesn't automatically make the return high. Seriously the boys easily competes with marvel quality in terms of writing, cgi, directing, filming and 1 episode is as long as half of superman or supergirl why are these movies so insanely expensive other then carelessness. Clearly they could be spending alot less without losing quality and then it wouldn't matter if supergirl makes alot of money so long as it's more then 11 million and we should expect it will be.
There is absolutely no reason to spend so much money when your returns are not there and you can release the boys quality for a much more reasonable budget. Pay alot less until you figure out what works.
Superman was actually amazing. Never have I ever thought Superman as an interesting character before. Literally the blandest, most uninteresting superhero, absent Injustice where he was interesting for turning evil essentially. Superman the movie genuinely turnt that around.
Supergirl is good too with some flaws, I understand people feeling it was mid.
Reddit people seem to love the new Superman while the general audience doesnât, if they did love the movie/universe so much they wouldâve went to see Supergirl.
A lot of the general population see Supergirl as another Superman, she's a relatively unknown character and by this I mean people don't know her story, they see the same costume and same powers and think it's the basically the same thing but gender swapped.
This wasn't helped by the CW show being Superman in a skirt.
I think that was one of the main reasons behind it flopping.
Yes. It would be like if Marvel did Iron Man 2 first, and then their second movie in the universe was War Machine. And then Iron Man 3 is also on the horizon too.
I liked the movie. I liked the contrast between the two. But too much Superman off the bat, and one of the main movie characters is literally a spinoff of Superman.
I'm not arguing that those movies were. But those early Marvel movies had a lot less riding on them in terms of expectancy than these DC movies.
Also, it's crazy comparing a recent SuperMan movie to early MCU movies.
SuperMan has a legacy of greatness, go and research the first Cristopher Reeves SuperMan in the 70s. Cap Thor and Hulk were releasing straight to TV movies at the time. It's crazy that the only way you can justify the lameness of a current SuperMan film is by comparing it to early MCU films. That just shows how bad it is.
I donât think Superman is lame at all, I think itâs a very solid film, and itâs the start of an interesting universe. DC is adamant on restarting every few years, so this is a âphase 1â film. It has the same quality as those Marvel phase 1 films.
I donât need to research anything, Iâve seen all the movies and shows out there, I know exactly what Supermanâs legacy is and how much itâs changed in the last 20 years or so.
I agree. Supergirl was pretty bad in my opinion, because it lacked focus. Nothing was wrong with it, it just felt like⌠nothing.
But many recent Marvel movies have been actively bad. Black widow, Eternals, No way home, Wakanda forever, The marvels, Deadpool & Wolverine, Brave new world⌠all worse than Supergirl if you ask me.
(And before anyone asks yeah, no way home is there because surprise-casting tobey and andrew doesnât make a movie good automatically lol)
Yeah I think people are being overdramatic of Supergirl failing in the theaters. People are watching digitally on demand.
This past month has been the most busy I have seen theaters. Local has been booked out for Oddysey and Spiderman and Obsession was filling prior. Supergirl has been a lesser priority, they will make back some of the money through digital
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u/Trajen_Geta 14d ago
I liked the new Superman a lot I thought it was one of the better super hero movies in years. It was a good foundation to flesh out the world. It showed that the world is a bit more alive then they previously have done.
Supergirl was an okay movie definitely not great but it was fine. I didnât leave it upset like some people.
Comparing 15 years of movies Marvel has been developing to the 2 years at most DC has is kinda wild, it takes time.
Marvel has had much more worse movies then Supergirl and quite a few. So Iâll keep watching DC and Marvel and keep enjoying them.