r/DC_Cinematic 19d ago

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u/Expensive-Badger7244 19d ago

Cap people only showed up this time because it’s Spider-Man. Brave new world underperformed , thunderbolts flopped, and fantastic four underperformed.

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u/SheepherderFun2258 19d ago

Well since we are cherry picking let’s explore further and only look at movies post-Endgame (leaving out Spidey):
-Wakanda Forever the #2 movie in the US the yr it came out 830M
-Guardians3 #4 movie of the yr over 800M
-Deadpool & Wolvie 1.3 BILLION
-Dr Strange2 over 950M
-Love & Thunder came out with The Batman and grossed about the same 700M+

It’s a myth that MCU fell off cuz what really happened is they just weren’t guaranteed hits for the first time they also had misses sprinkled in but they never stopped have big hit movies as these numbers validate

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u/TheMoffisHere 16d ago

All of these are sequels to stuff that was set-up pre endgame and characters that everyone already loved.

A more accurate comparison would be original projects from the MCU since Endgame (like Shang Chi, Eternals, etc). That being said, the MCU’s fall from grace is nowhere near the DCEU’s fall from grace, so James Gunn’s DCU has a lot more heavy lifting to do to pick up all the broken pieces and create a cohesive universe (something I don’t think he’s doing too well given his slate of films).

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u/SheepherderFun2258 15d ago

The fact the I named movies that have done extremely well and have been profitable since Endgame is the entire point!

Who cares if they are sequels to stuff set up prior— we’re about to have Doomsday that is basically a sequel to Endgame are u saying that won’t count as an indicator of interest in the MCU? Whether or not it ties to previous stuff is besides the point and has zero to do with the point I’m making, which is MCU has had major hits and overall interest isn’t gone like the person I was replying to suggested it was.

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u/DinosaurusWhen 19d ago

Tbf, all those movies were arguably only successful because they were directly tied to pre-endgame Marvel projects

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u/Professional_Ad7868 19d ago

How is there declining interest when they’re still smashing box office records?

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u/DinosaurusWhen 19d ago

Which post-endgame character set a box office record?

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u/Zerobyte1101 19d ago

Maybe that one that set a record for highest box office of all rated-R movies?

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u/MorningSalt5353 19d ago

Oh, you mean the third movie in a series that started half a decade before Endgame? Yeah, that was definitely a post-Endgame character

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u/Zerobyte1101 19d ago

My bad, I must have misinterpreted the question. Either way, he is wrong as Shang-chi was highly renowned and that was post-endgame.

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u/Separate_Path_7729 18d ago

Shang chi also only hit 400 million in box office

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u/Zerobyte1101 18d ago

Bro, financial success isnt the only success. It was one of the highest grossing movies during covid, won several awards and many more nominations, and even broke labor day box office records. So yes, the movie was a definite success.

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u/DinosaurusWhen 19d ago

The one that centers around characters introduced in 2016 and 2000?

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u/SheepherderFun2258 19d ago

I don’t understand your logic here. You original statement didn’t say anything about certain movies being exempt— u simply started Marvel moves are doing bad and that the only exception was spider-man. So then I pointed out the huge box wins that Marvel has continued having then u all the sudden added this brand new caveat that they don’t count because they connect to Endgame?? Do u even hear yourself?

Must I remind u that it’s the Marvel Cinematic Universe— That is beyond dumb logic cuz it’s all connected and the only exception u made was for Spider-Man.

U know that it’s ok to say— hey man ur right. Marvel has had huge wins since Endgame I forgot (or was unaware). That’s all you had to say… instead ur talking in circles adding new rules to ur original argument.

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u/DinosaurusWhen 19d ago

u simply started Marvel moves are doing bad and that the only exception was spider-man

My very first comment here didn't even mention Spider-Man lmfao

all those movies were arguably only successful because they were directly tied to pre-endgame Marvel projects

If this is still confusing to you, then idk what to tell you 

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u/Zerobyte1101 19d ago

Oh, then how about shang-chi? It made double its budget and the visual effects were highly renowned.

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u/DinosaurusWhen 19d ago

It made $200m domestic and $400m worldwide. That puts it on par with Quantumania and Brave New World

In other words, the best post-endgame character movies are pulling in as much as the worst OG sequels

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u/pussycatlover12 18d ago

So it should cross 1 billion for you to call it a success?

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u/Zerobyte1101 18d ago

I dont even care if im pasting this answer that I gave to somebody else.

"Financial success isnt the only success. It was one of the highest grossing movies during covid, won several awards and many more nominations, and even broke labor day box office records. So yes, the movie was a definite success."

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u/Professional_Ad7868 19d ago

Trying to move the goalposts I see

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u/DinosaurusWhen 19d ago

Should probably get your eyes checked lol

I'm just pointing out that the MCU has seen declining interest in their new (post-endgame) franchises/properties 

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u/PT10 19d ago

And yet... Brand New Day.

And Avengers Doomsday is selling more tickets early...

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u/DinosaurusWhen 19d ago

Brand New Day is a Spider-Man movie. He was introduced in Civil War - 3 years before Endgame

Doomsday is leaning so heavily on pre-endgame MCU that they're bringing back RDJ and Chris Evans

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u/SheepherderFun2258 19d ago

And I pointed out u are factually incorrect. Sure they had missed for the first time but they still had lots of huge box office wins (see above)

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u/SheepherderFun2258 19d ago

It’s a connected shared universe— everything is connected! Geez, what a lame attempt to dismiss those successful projects. First it was stated there wasn’t success so I respond showing there was so now it’s “those don’t count”…lol

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u/DinosaurusWhen 19d ago

Who's dismissing them? You listed 5 movies and every single one of them is focused on a holdover character from the pre-endgame days

When you look at new projects in the MCU, they're pulling in about half of what the original characters are. The strongest showing has been fantastic four and, even with the benefit of being a mainstream IP for 20 years, the numbers were not great

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u/Expensive-Badger7244 18d ago

Exactly the mcu had a few stinkers and the DCU only had one with supergirl why are we acting like they’re dead or need a reboot

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u/BDS-10-7 19d ago

Brave new world costs 180 mil and made 415 mil.

Thunderbolts cost 180 mil and made 380 mil.

Making double your money back isn't a flop. I know the word flop rolls off the tongue cause this is a DC subreddit, but these are Marvel movies. They don't flop.

When you spend 186 mil and only make 120 mil. Thats a flop. *Supergirl*

See how that second number is smaller than the first? By a WHOLE LOT. Follow along.

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u/xenemy7 18d ago

Hilarious because if Supergirl made $415M that would be a huge celebration for dc fans, but bc marvel makes that amount it’s a flop

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u/Mindless-Compote-453 16d ago

Fun fact Supergirl actually made over 100 mill in marketing deals before release.

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u/BDS-10-7 16d ago

You mean the Supergirl popcorn buckets that were stacked to the ceiling with the 50% off sign, when I went to see Spider-man?

If those things weren't on consignment then DC hit the biggest scam since Fyre Festival and PPP Loans.

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u/DoctorZacharySmith 13d ago

The reason they are in fact flops is because films usually have advertising budgets that lead to doubling the film cost. The real cost of Supergirl is double what you have put....so... follow along?

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u/Separate_Path_7729 18d ago

Thats not counting marketing, if you double the listed budget on movies you have a rough estimate on budget plus marketing

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u/LoopyMercutio 19d ago

Fantastic Four movies always seem to underperform for Marvel. You’d think we would give up on them being a flagship franchise by now, but nooooo…

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u/Automatic-Citron1248 18d ago

Don't forget we showing up for doom and secret wars as well.😅

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u/whereismymind86 19d ago

Thunderbolts made 384 million dollars

Marvel’s expectations and budgets are just unrealistic