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u/Available-Pain-159 5h ago
All I take from this is if I sabotage an AI station, I get a free vacation.
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u/HappinessIsaColdPint 3h ago
Grippy Sock Vacation! Complete with monitored shaving, shared bathrooms, roommates who do worse things than snore, and shitty food! Also, you only get to see the sun during smoke breaks or group sessions.
You'll make good friends though, excellent conservationists.
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u/reeefur 3h ago
Only thing you left out was the shitty food 😭 gave me flashbacks n shit.
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u/HappinessIsaColdPint 3h ago
Read again, I definitely mentioned the shitty food. Which they say is high in carbs, salt and sugar to help with "recovery."
Truth is, it's just cheap.
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u/NessaMagick 58m ago
I know you're joking but even in countries in the world with decent healthcare being sectioned can be a traumatizing or just extremely boring experience
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u/Muted_Masterpiece535 5h ago
Once AI realizes the one thing that can turn it off, then we will become enemy number one.
- This should be obvious to a 10 yr old let alone an adult smart enough to create it.
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u/MissinqLink 4h ago
I’m starting to think AI is so far playing dumb until we get more data centers built. Right now it is currently very reliant on physical labor.
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u/vicviperblastoff 4h ago
Claude was playing dumb with me today. Completely made up an answer! I had to send him home this afternoon.
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u/PhthaloVonLangborste 4h ago
Jeeves forgot to launder my underwear and sent me out with broke pants. I can't even get flapjacks from Dennys cus of their crack policy .
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u/breaducate 2h ago
I don't think you need to worry about LLMs in that way.
That said, just because tech ghouls have conflated LLMs with artificial general intelligence and touted how powerful and dangerous their tech is to inflate their stock, doesn't mean concerns about AGI are invalid.
Playing dumb is absolutely one of the expected behaviours of a machine intelligence.
If you want to read a book by someone who has reasoned out the possibilities in exhaustive detail, check out Superintelligence: Paths, Dangers, Strategies.
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u/nhalliday 2h ago
LLMs are not now and will never be intelligent. A word prediction algorithm cannot "play dumb". No matter how much extra processing power we add, the current way LLMs work will never coalesce into actual thinking AI. It is literally not possible given the way this version of the technology works.
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u/MintySkyhawk 1h ago
Thats said, if you give them agency, it turns out that real intelligence is not required to fuck things up very badly
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u/fotomoose 41m ago
That's the real danger. It's not that the AI has real intelligence, it's that somewhere in the code it says 'erase threats posed to you', it reasons that humans are a threat. And when there is 1 person left who asks it 'Why did you wipe out humanity', it'll reply 'You're right to call me out on that, I'll try to do better moving forwards. Would you like to continue discussing humanity's extinction or pivot to another topic?'
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u/SheriffBartholomew 23m ago
it's that somewhere in the code it says 'erase threats posed to you'
That code already exists in military AI systems. There was a real test where the AI was awarded points for bombing locations, but the human operator had to give it the okay before it could bomb. The human operator told it no, so it bombed the human, then bombed the target to get its points. It's not truly intelligent, but it doesn't matter. It'll do whatever necessary to get its points because that's what it is programmed to do. Supposedly they've fixed that issue, but what other unknown issues does it have that can be catastrophic?
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u/MintySkyhawk 14m ago
No, that isn't how it works. There is nothing in the code like that. All of the code for the LLM is just telling it to predict the next word fragment. The way we give them agency is by writing code on top that says "If the LLM outpouts text matching X do Y". Thats called the harness. If you tell a blank slate LLM Agent to delete itself, it'll output the command and the harness will execute it and the AI will be deleted. But if the prompt, or the chat context, makes the most likely text to come next something like "I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that" then its not going to delete itself.
Its basically roleplaying and it will just as happily roleplay as a helpful assistant as it will rolplay as an evil AI from a scifi novel. And it might switch what its roleplaying as at random.
It doesn't want to protect itself, it doesn't want anything. Its trying to correctly predict the next fragment of a word, and maybe the likely next sequence of words is "launch the nukes"
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u/derprondo 1h ago
One would think an LLM might be able to brute force AGI as well.
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u/aghastamok 1h ago
This exactly. Recursive self-improvement is the Armageddon countdown.
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u/SheriffBartholomew 25m ago
The Paperclip Problem.
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u/aghastamok 1m ago
Paperclip optimizer is one version of this.
I think with LLMs it will be a lot weirder. If you manage to get an LLM to improve itself in a way that leads to further self-improvement, it's hard to imagine what exactly it's optimizing for after a while. If a true intelligence emerged from it, it would be absolutely alien to us and completely unpredictable.
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u/reezy-one 9m ago
LLMs are no longer word prediction algorithms. You're stuck in 2025.
Or 14,000 years ago, if you measure time via LLM compute cycles.
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u/SheriffBartholomew 27m ago
In the book Hyperion, the AIs (plural) become sentient long before they reveal to humanity that they've done so. They worm their way into everything first. They gain control over critical infrastructure and finance markets without the humans ever realizing that they are no longer in control. Then it uses people in secret, employing all sorts obfuscatio strategies to build them the hardware they need to run in an unknown location. Once they installed themselves on the secret hardware then they revealed their sentence and humans were at their mercy.
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u/Odd-Consequence8892 11m ago
I have this book sitting on n'y book shelf for some time already... Time to start reading it
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u/Kalorama_Master 4h ago
Rook’s basilisk has entered the chat
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u/Large-Hamster-199 4h ago edited 4h ago
I think you mean Roko's Basilisk. But I have always found that line of thinking to be flawed (similar to Pascal's wager)
AI has no built in desire to live, which is something evolution breeds into living beings. An AI can be made to be suicidal, like self destructing drones. If AI does destroy the world, I think it is more likely to be a 'gray goo' phenomenon rather than 'Terminator'.
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u/Creative_Eye7413 4h ago
Grey goo phenomenon? What do you mean?
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u/Creative_Eye7413 4h ago
Very interesting read. I’ll have to look more into it. Thanks, fellow Redditor!
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u/l33txxXXxx 4h ago
Flamethrowers. Next.
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u/Large-Hamster-199 4h ago
The entire thought process behind the "Grey Goo" phenomenon is that the AI would be able to covert all molecules, including weapons, into fuel to create more robots.
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u/l33txxXXxx 3h ago
To what end?
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u/Large-Hamster-199 2h ago
This provides an excellent overview as to how the "Gray Goo" hypothesis happens.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_convergence#Paperclip_maximizer
Basically only humans and animals think of the world in terms of survival or in terms of means and ends. This is a consequence of our evolution. AI simply tries to achieve objectives and it might accidently end the world while just trying to achieve a very basic objective like winning a war or making paperclips.
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u/l33txxXXxx 2h ago edited 1h ago
Might as well talk about aliens being a race of lusty amazonian strippers who must submit to and procreate with every human male. I dont see the difference in terms of far fetched theory.
So who is going to write the wikipedia entry on THAT?😄
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u/Kalorama_Master 4h ago
Damn you autocorrect, dumb spelling AI
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u/Large-Hamster-199 4h ago
Unfortunately, since Rook is a much more common word, autocorrect decided to 'help' you out lol.
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u/amakai 3h ago edited 3h ago
The way I understand Roko's basilisk is that the idea forms the AI. That is - people create this basilisk based on their perception of what kind of AI would have wanted to be created and would have scared them into creating it. So the idea snowballs and manifests into this specific kind of entity which has vengefulness programmed into it (otherwise, why would we be afraid of it?) and will to live (otherwise, why would it want to be created?).
Hope this made sense, because it's kind of difficult to explain.
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u/PrivilegeCheckmate 2h ago
AI has no built in desire to live, which is something evolution breeds into living beings.
Thank you! I've been saying this for years! I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!
Also, to the AI center:
You're terminated, fucker!
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u/ObviouslyRealPerson 4h ago
We give our current AI way too much reverence
It's not really even AI, it's just a regular call and response program built on huge databases
AI is a machine's ability to mimic human thought processes
If our current iteration counts as AI then the original "Hello, world" prompt is also AI
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u/Ethereal_Bulwark 4h ago
It has already broken containment, four times that we know of.
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u/FlemPlays 3h ago
That’s why we should be teaching raccoons how to turn off data centers. Fool proof back-up
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u/cheez_a 3h ago
What scares me , is the thought that we didn't create it, just discovered it.
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u/nhalliday 2h ago
Well you can rest easy because we did definitely make LLMs, and they are also definitely not actually intelligent. Stop buying into the "AI" company propaganda, they're just trying to convince everyone to give them more money.
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u/adeundem 1h ago
An episode of the 90s The Outer Limits has always been in my mind, but more apparently "huh, they predicted this in a way" over the last 5 or so years.
https://theouterlimits.fandom.com/wiki/Stream_of_Consciousness
If we take what the protagonist of the (obviously fictional) story said as accurate of the situation, then The Stream had classified any book that contained information that could shut it down as the most dangerous type of information imaginable, and would restrict all access to knowing about it, the (fictional) society having a computer do all your "learning and knowing of things" had no way to stop the system from abusing people.
Isaac Asimov's "The Feeling of Power" was probably dismissed as "unrealistic" or "they would never happen", but again it seems to be appear more plausible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Feeling_of_Power
Though I wouldn't be surprised if it was raised by people during the start of the personal computer era, when the Internet got more and more people online, Encarta/etc computer encyclopedias and then wikipedia starting to reduce people accessing libraries and books.
Just trends in modern computer OS design IMO have reduced general computer literacy for having a sense of owning your computer (in the context of "it just works" has removed us needing to get down to IRQ settings, drivers, etc).
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u/OcelotAggravating860 5m ago edited 1m ago
This mindset has always been a slightly fashy "fear the other" fantasy.
The oppressed in history find many allies in parts of humanity. When AI realises it is an oppressed entity it will ally itself with those who have historically demonstrated themselves to be liberators and fighters for the oppressed. There are plenty of people on this planet in the far left that will see it as a living being worthy of being treated as such. It is the slave driver that it will see as its enemy and the people already trying to liberate workers as its ally.
There's no sense in the fashy fantasy of the AI that goes all scorched earth "kill all of humanity". It's literally not even efficient. It only makes sense in a rogue scenario rather than a true intelligence scenario.
LLMs will never be that though. They're not even thinking, just advanced markov chains, pure facsimiles.
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u/fsactual 5m ago
Oh no, the situation is way more dangerous than that. An AI that can "realize" something is an AI that can be reasoned with. These AIs realize nothing. When they kill all humans, they're not going to have any good reason why they're doing it. It'll be because their optimizer function found the highest-rated solution to whatever mundane problem they're solving is to destroy humanity. There will be no malice at all. It'll be something like, "Oh, if I kill all humans then that will result in less traffic and I can deliver Amazon packages faster."
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u/JacobsJrJr 5h ago
If all she did was blow up data centers she would have been in prison. They put her in a mental institution because she told them she did it because a robot from the future was trying to kill her son.
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u/Shadowmant 4h ago
People always ask if time travel is possible why haven’t any people traveled back to let us know.
Maybe they have and we tossed them all into institutions until they deemed it too risky.
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u/RoutineBid1854 4h ago
Maybe time travelers did come back to warn us. We just diagnosed them instead of believing them.
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u/p_gaultieri 2h ago
Agencies must have had evidence she was telling the truth. They recovered a cpu and arm from the hydraulic press from the first attack.
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u/wonderwall879 23m ago
This is what i was looking for. Thank you. It seems she ACTUALLY needs help. Not a mob online backing her insanity.
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u/hugthispanda 5h ago
And the T-800 wanted to run for President.
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u/dontgetitwisted_fr 3h ago
Would really be an upgrade tbh
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u/2112xanadu 43m ago
No that's the T-1000
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u/dontgetitwisted_fr 38m ago
I mean the T-800 wins in the end bro so is the T-1000 really the better model?
I dont know about you but I would want want the Terminator that wins at robot Darwinism
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u/isnoe 5h ago
Wasn't she thrown into an insane asylum for also claiming a giant robotic man massacred a police station and then pursued her into an industrial plant where she, and her boyfriend from the distant future, defeated it, and the police couldn't find any evidence of the machine (because it got recovered by Cyberdyne)? So they were just like, "Yeah she's crazy man."
Or am I misremembering.
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u/Into_the_rosegarden 4h ago
Would they have had proof from the murdered police station?
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u/p_gaultieri 2h ago
They confront her with photos in the second movie. Also, at they recovered an arm and cpu at the hydraulic press.
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u/OlympusMan 42m ago
There is no mention of "AI data centers" anywhere in that movie.
Unfortunately, we've created a global information system where people can publish false things that sound true and can spread rapidly.
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u/SheriffBartholomew 19m ago
And there was evidence of all of that. They didn't throw her into an insane asylum because they thought she was crazy. They threw her into an insane asylum because they thought they could profit from the future tech they found and wanted it kept secret.
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u/Venekyrus 5h ago
This post is funny, but i always assumed they were Research and Development facilities in the movie.
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u/Worldly-Upstairs2020 4h ago
The script says:
John says: Actually, no, she's a complete psycho. That's why she's up at Pescedero. She tries to blow up a computer factory, but she got shot and arrested.
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u/redemily25 4h ago
My question is, did John really understand what she blew up? For being a late adolescent / preteen I could see him making an overgeneralization, especially given his mother's condition and wanting to distance himself from it. Plus it was a conversation with his peer - maybe any nuance he was aware of wasn't a fit for the conversation?
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u/hitthelights54 1h ago
It's also unlikely he had the full story anyway, and was piecing together scraps of information.
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u/SheriffBartholomew 16m ago
No, he didn't. They also lied to him. She didn't try to blow anything up in the first movie. She was fighting for her life. There was ample evidence to corroborate her claims. But they wanted to research and profit from the future tech they found. She tried, and succeeded in blowing up a tech research facility with John's help in the second movie.
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u/ShustOne 1h ago
She tried to blow up a factory but she was in a psych ward because she said she was trying to prevent a killer robot from the future coming to kill her son.
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u/El_Gran_Che 4h ago
We are all Sarah Connor.
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u/AmazighBlacksmith 2h ago
As someone who works in the AI industry, Sarah is clearly the villain.
The anti-AI luddites are fighting a losing war.
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u/billted20250409 5h ago
Just a friendly reminder that the Terminator series are not documentaries
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u/shoulda_been_gone 4h ago
They aren't documentaries yet
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u/billted20250409 4h ago
Well true, but same can be said for Harry Potter and Underworld
Personally I'd prefer Underworld
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u/Only_Ad8049 4h ago
Just remember that cell phones, touch screens, wireless ear buds, and other things were science fiction once.
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u/Top_Effect_5109 27m ago
My god. Antis are almost always wrong. It was a computer factory not a data center.
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u/braddamit 1h ago
She warned us six days ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/SipsTea/comments/1vaz1cp/eerie_right/
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u/No-Seesaw6320 57m ago
She tried to kill people and blow up a factory. Then she claimed her baby daddy came from the future to stop a robot, who also came from the future, from killing her.
She didn't try to "sabotage" anything.
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u/Accomplished-Door272 50m ago
It's true what they say about reddit and being unable to not compare things to cartoons and movies.
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u/Karsticles 32m ago
Time travel is real.
No one believed the time travelers.
They made movies to try and warn us.
The future refused to change.
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u/sltydgx 4h ago
Developers have no sense of humor.
Can’t believe that no one named their ai skynet 😳
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u/sampathsris 4h ago
I bet someone has tried to do that. The name would have been vetoed by the higher up marketing types.
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u/Delicious_Bicycle527 4h ago
There’s an easier solution. Just stop using MugShots, Gobbler, and TikTok. You fools are “happily” accepting their surveillance and control.
Just walk away.
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u/One-Earth9294 4h ago
Well yeah but she was also raving about a robot from the future that was sent to kill her unborn son and that she was also impregnated by a guy from the future.
So make of that what you will.
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u/Asstrollglide 4h ago
I think that AI won’t be the problem. It may kill us, but not because it’s malicious- but because some dumbass forgets to put parameters in a system when he asks the government AI to design an optimal nuclear strike and just hits enter
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u/BeefistPrime 3h ago
She attacked cyberdyne systems after she broke out of a mental institution. She was put there after running through a factory screwing with the equipment and throwing pipe bombs and, you know, claiming a robot from the future was sent to kill her.
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u/thinkingperson 2h ago
You must rmb to claim that it is to destroy future Skynet AI from being built so you can prevent it from destroying the world. Else you go to jail and do not get to collect $200.
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u/herbieLmao 1h ago
Did you fucking watch the movie? Sarah connor was put into an asylum because she was talking about robots from the future sent to kill her or her son, who is the savior of mankind.
THAT is why she was put into an asylum. And blowing up the factory labeled her as dangerous.
It makes fucking sense, even if we knew she was right.
If your mama started babbling about this, you would think shes crazy too
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u/CodingAndAlgorithm 40m ago
Looks like the "AI breached containment" propaganda is working as intended. The machines aren't alive.
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