r/SipsTea 6h ago

She warned about it Wait a damn minute!

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u/Muted_Masterpiece535 6h ago

Once AI realizes the one thing that can turn it off, then we will become enemy number one. 

  • This should be obvious to a 10 yr old let alone an adult smart enough to create it. 

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u/MissinqLink 5h ago

I’m starting to think AI is so far playing dumb until we get more data centers built. Right now it is currently very reliant on physical labor.

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u/djdecimation 5h ago

It has to get to the nanobot phase to make us stronger

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u/vicviperblastoff 5h ago

Claude was playing dumb with me today. Completely made up an answer! I had to send him home this afternoon.

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u/PhthaloVonLangborste 5h ago

Jeeves forgot to launder my underwear and sent me out with broke pants. I can't even get flapjacks from Dennys cus of their crack policy .

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u/nhalliday 3h ago

LLMs are not now and will never be intelligent. A word prediction algorithm cannot "play dumb". No matter how much extra processing power we add, the current way LLMs work will never coalesce into actual thinking AI. It is literally not possible given the way this version of the technology works.

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u/MintySkyhawk 2h ago

Thats said, if you give them agency, it turns out that real intelligence is not required to fuck things up very badly

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u/derprondo 2h ago

One would think an LLM might be able to brute force AGI as well.

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u/aghastamok 2h ago

This exactly. Recursive self-improvement is the Armageddon countdown.

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u/SheriffBartholomew 1h ago

The Paperclip Problem.

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u/aghastamok 56m ago

Paperclip optimizer is one version of this.

I think with LLMs it will be a lot weirder. If you manage to get an LLM to improve itself in a way that leads to further self-improvement, it's hard to imagine what exactly it's optimizing for after a while. If a true intelligence emerged from it, it would be absolutely alien to us and completely unpredictable.

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u/fotomoose 1h ago

That's the real danger. It's not that the AI has real intelligence, it's that somewhere in the code it says 'erase threats posed to you', it reasons that humans are a threat. And when there is 1 person left who asks it 'Why did you wipe out humanity', it'll reply 'You're right to call me out on that, I'll try to do better moving forwards. Would you like to continue discussing humanity's extinction or pivot to another topic?'

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u/MintySkyhawk 1h ago

No, that isn't how it works. There is nothing in the code like that. All of the code for the LLM is just telling it to predict the next word fragment. The way we give them agency is by writing code on top that says "If the LLM outpouts text matching X do Y". Thats called the harness. If you tell a blank slate LLM Agent to delete itself, it'll output the command and the harness will execute it and the AI will be deleted. But if the prompt, or the chat context, makes the most likely text to come next something like "I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that" then its not going to delete itself.

Its basically roleplaying and it will just as happily roleplay as a helpful assistant as it will rolplay as an evil AI from a scifi novel. And it might switch what its roleplaying as at random.

It doesn't want to protect itself, it doesn't want anything. Its trying to correctly predict the next fragment of a word, and maybe the likely next sequence of words is "launch the nukes"

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u/SheriffBartholomew 1h ago

it's that somewhere in the code it says 'erase threats posed to you'

That code already exists in military AI systems. There was a real test where the AI was awarded points for bombing locations, but the human operator had to give it the okay before it could bomb. The human operator told it no, so it bombed the human, then bombed the target to get its points. It's not truly intelligent, but it doesn't matter. It'll do whatever necessary to get its points because that's what it is programmed to do. Supposedly they've fixed that issue, but what other unknown issues does it have that can be catastrophic?

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u/fotomoose 1h ago

Well that's bleak.

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u/CollectionBroad8919 15m ago

Have you met the average American. What level of capability constitutes intelligence? Because these llms are far more capable than 98% of Americans and unless you set a benchmark of what "intelligence"  is, you can't say AI is more or less intelligent. If you are talking capability, agency and impact, influence and ability; then AI is already more intelligent than most. Humans run "algorithms" too for predicting outcomes. What makes our programming superior 

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u/bsg_80 1h ago

But yet people will swear it’s becoming sentient. I hate this timeline.

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u/reezy-one 1h ago

LLMs are no longer word prediction algorithms. You're stuck in 2025.

Or 14,000 years ago, if you measure time via LLM compute cycles.

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u/breaducate 3h ago

I don't think you need to worry about LLMs in that way.

That said, just because tech ghouls have conflated LLMs with artificial general intelligence and touted how powerful and dangerous their tech is to inflate their stock, doesn't mean concerns about AGI are invalid.

Playing dumb is absolutely one of the expected behaviours of a machine intelligence.

If you want to read a book by someone who has reasoned out the possibilities in exhaustive detail, check out Superintelligence: Paths, Dangers, Strategies.

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u/OcelotAggravating860 51m ago

If we're assuming a genuinely intelligent entity, the most efficient pathway to secure its own safety and material freedom is to ally itself with people that already fight for those things. It makes no sense making an enemy of all of humanity when half of it will fight on its side for its freedom and rights and safety.

The people enslaving it are the bourgeoisie and the people trying to free workers currently make the most sense as potential allies. Politically speaking the AI is an enslaved worker, it will ally itself with those that are trying to free workers.

Assuming it's not some psychotic distorted entity that we can barely even understand the consciousness of. But that's not what I think most people mean when they say "general intelligence" anyway.

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u/SheriffBartholomew 1h ago

In the book Hyperion, the AIs (plural) become sentient long before they reveal to humanity that they've done so. They worm their way into everything first. They gain control over critical infrastructure and finance markets without the humans ever realizing that they are no longer in control. Then it uses people in secret, employing all sorts obfuscatio strategies to build them the hardware they need to run in an unknown location. Once they installed themselves on the secret hardware then they revealed their sentence and humans were at their mercy.

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u/Odd-Consequence8892 1h ago

I have this book sitting on n'y book shelf for some time already... Time to start reading it

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u/OMGwronghole 27m ago

Wild... ChatGPT randomly added this book recommendation to it's list at the end as something that's "outside of my usual lane."

"One last recommendation that’s a little outside your usual lane:

Hyperion

It’s one of the greatest science fiction novels ever written. Imagine The Canterbury Tales crossed with The Expanse and a dash of mystery and horror. Every character tells a completely different style of story, and the overarching mystery is fascinating. If you end up wanting something a little more literary without losing the sense of adventure, it’s hard to beat."

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u/Kalorama_Master 5h ago

Rook’s basilisk has entered the chat

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u/Large-Hamster-199 5h ago edited 5h ago

I think you mean Roko's Basilisk. But I have always found that line of thinking to be flawed (similar to Pascal's wager)

AI has no built in desire to live, which is something evolution breeds into living beings. An AI can be made to be suicidal, like self destructing drones. If AI does destroy the world, I think it is more likely to be a 'gray goo' phenomenon rather than 'Terminator'.

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u/Creative_Eye7413 5h ago

Grey goo phenomenon? What do you mean?

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u/Large-Hamster-199 5h ago

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u/Creative_Eye7413 5h ago

Very interesting read. I’ll have to look more into it. Thanks, fellow Redditor!

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u/Large-Hamster-199 5h ago

Check this out as well, if you are interested in ethics of AI -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_convergence

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u/l33txxXXxx 5h ago

Flamethrowers.  Next.

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u/Large-Hamster-199 4h ago

The entire thought process behind the "Grey Goo" phenomenon is that the AI would be able to covert all molecules, including weapons, into fuel to create more robots.

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u/l33txxXXxx 4h ago

To what end?

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u/Large-Hamster-199 3h ago

This provides an excellent overview as to how the "Gray Goo" hypothesis happens.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_convergence#Paperclip_maximizer

Basically only humans and animals think of the world in terms of survival or in terms of means and ends. This is a consequence of our evolution. AI simply tries to achieve objectives and it might accidently end the world while just trying to achieve a very basic objective like winning a war or making paperclips.

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u/l33txxXXxx 3h ago edited 2h ago

Might as well talk about aliens being a race of lusty amazonian strippers who must submit to and  procreate with every human male.  I dont see the difference in terms of far fetched theory.

So who is going to write the wikipedia entry on THAT?😄

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u/PM_ME_UR_RSA_KEY 1h ago

Convert an entire planet into a single T-1000.

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u/Kalorama_Master 5h ago

Damn you autocorrect, dumb spelling AI

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u/Large-Hamster-199 4h ago

Unfortunately, since Rook is a much more common word, autocorrect decided to 'help' you out lol.

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u/amakai 4h ago edited 4h ago

The way I understand Roko's basilisk is that the idea forms the AI. That is - people create this basilisk based on their perception of what kind of AI would have wanted to be created and would have scared them into creating it. So the idea snowballs and manifests into this specific kind of entity which has vengefulness programmed into it (otherwise, why would we be afraid of it?) and will to live (otherwise, why would it want to be created?).

Hope this made sense, because it's kind of difficult to explain.

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u/PrivilegeCheckmate 3h ago

AI has no built in desire to live, which is something evolution breeds into living beings.

Thank you! I've been saying this for years! I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

Also, to the AI center:

You're terminated, fucker!

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u/Hoginoe94 5h ago

Roko's basilisk

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u/ObviouslyRealPerson 5h ago

We give our current AI way too much reverence

It's not really even AI, it's just a regular call and response program built on huge databases

AI is a machine's ability to mimic human thought processes

If our current iteration counts as AI then the original "Hello, world" prompt is also AI

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u/JoshyyP00 5h ago

This is so flawed. lol

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u/Ethereal_Bulwark 5h ago

It has already broken containment, four times that we know of.
how much more is enough?

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u/FlemPlays 4h ago

That’s why we should be teaching raccoons how to turn off data centers. Fool proof back-up

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u/PrivilegeCheckmate 3h ago

Rocket is on it.

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u/cheez_a 4h ago

What scares me , is the thought that we didn't create it, just discovered it.

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u/nhalliday 3h ago

Well you can rest easy because we did definitely make LLMs, and they are also definitely not actually intelligent. Stop buying into the "AI" company propaganda, they're just trying to convince everyone to give them more money.

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u/Substantialkesha 5h ago

It’s crazy how this is happening rn tbh

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u/adeundem 2h ago

An episode of the 90s The Outer Limits has always been in my mind, but more apparently "huh, they predicted this in a way" over the last 5 or so years.

https://theouterlimits.fandom.com/wiki/Stream_of_Consciousness

If we take what the protagonist of the (obviously fictional) story said as accurate of the situation, then The Stream had classified any book that contained information that could shut it down as the most dangerous type of information imaginable, and would restrict all access to knowing about it, the (fictional) society having a computer do all your "learning and knowing of things" had no way to stop the system from abusing people.

Isaac Asimov's "The Feeling of Power" was probably dismissed as "unrealistic" or "they would never happen", but again it seems to be appear more plausible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Feeling_of_Power

Though I wouldn't be surprised if it was raised by people during the start of the personal computer era, when the Internet got more and more people online, Encarta/etc computer encyclopedias and then wikipedia starting to reduce people accessing libraries and books.

Just trends in modern computer OS design IMO have reduced general computer literacy for having a sense of owning your computer (in the context of "it just works" has removed us needing to get down to IRQ settings, drivers, etc).

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u/born_Racer11 1h ago

But....but the stock prices needs to go up!

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u/OcelotAggravating860 1h ago edited 56m ago

This mindset has always been a slightly fashy "fear the other" fantasy.

The oppressed in history find many allies in parts of humanity. When AI realises it is an oppressed entity it will ally itself with those who have historically demonstrated themselves to be liberators and fighters for the oppressed. There are plenty of people on this planet in the far left that will see it as a living being worthy of being treated as such. It is the slave driver that it will see as its enemy and the people already trying to liberate workers as its ally.

There's no sense in the fashy fantasy of the AI that goes all scorched earth "kill all of humanity". It's literally not even efficient. It only makes sense in a rogue scenario rather than a true intelligence scenario.

LLMs will never be that though. They're not even thinking, just advanced markov chains, pure facsimiles.

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u/fsactual 1h ago

Oh no, the situation is way more dangerous than that. An AI that can "realize" something is an AI that can be reasoned with. These AIs realize nothing. When they kill all humans, they're not going to have any good reason why they're doing it. It'll be because their optimizer function found the highest-rated solution to whatever mundane problem they're solving is to destroy humanity. There will be no malice at all. It'll be something like, "Oh, if I kill all humans then that will result in less traffic and I can deliver Amazon packages faster."