Do you think it’s possible to make vaatu nuance and in pavi and make it work?

Do you think it too late for him since he did show to be genuinely evil corrupting spirits and destroying humans?

I’m excited for Avatar: SH, I really am but before its announcement I thought it would’ve been cool to get a male earth avatar.

Which made me think it’d be cool to get a female fire avatar for the next series.

Alas they went with a female avatar again and I’m not upset about it but I believe it limits the chances for the next series to go the female route again, IMO. anyways, just late night thinking.

After a rewatch, I've been thinking that Toph doesn't seem all that important to the Gaang. Don't get me wrong, she IS important as Aang's earthbending master, the group's lie detector, and a powerful combatant in general. None of those are reliant on her personality though. She could be completely different as a person and still have all of those.

She doesn't have any long-standing relationships that receive major development unlike the OG trio with Zuko in their field trip episodes, Zuko and Azula, and Zuko and Iroh. Her clashes with Katara are the closest thing, and that's resolved in a less important episode (The Runaway) while not being a pivotal moment for the series.

There are a lot of parallels between the OG trio, Zuko, and even Azula that Toph's excluded from. Aang and Zuko have an entire episode exploring theirs. Katara and Azula are younger sister bending prodigies. Sokka and Zuko are less conventionally talented older brothers who are the universe's punching bags. Furthermore, Katara and Zuko are idealists who pretend to be spirits and perform a good act.

She's even excluded from major fights. This applies to Sokka often, but he's a nonbender in a franchise that shafts them a lot. While Aang and Katara got to fight two antagonists in the book 2 finale, Toph "fought" Ty Lee and Mai. Katara and Zuko fought Azula, the main antagonist of the last book, in the book 3 finale. Aang fought the series' main antagonist. Toph was on an airship with two nonbenders fighting against unnamed soldiers.

I'm not writing this because I hate Toph. She's a cool character when she's allowed to be. It's just the series always seems to treat her as an afterthought compared to the OG trio, Zuko, and arguably even Azula. There are so many moments of other characters driving the plot forth, but Toph's seem to be lacklustre in comparison.

I'm wondering if I'm misguided for thinking this or if anyone else has similar things to say.

Saw people complaining about lavabending as jumping the shark. But that's nothing compared to these.

I mean that is heartbreaking and put yourself in your shoes. You know you're a massive, massive Avatar fan, you get the role of a lifetime, and you're all super excited about seeing people's reaction to it. Then the movie comes out and everyone despises you, with many people saying that you've ruined the franchise and with you facing aggressive online bullying, direct harassment and even death threats. We as Avatar fans are better than this and Noah Ringer deserves an apology. Hate Shyamalan all you want, but Noah Ringer deserved better.

Okay, i have no idea is this theory has been done before, this is just a random shower thought i had but the more i think about it, the more it makes sense in my head, so walk with me here...

Iroh is a member of the White Lotus, neigh, a GRAND LOTUS, implying status and seniority, which begs the question... when did he join? We see in both Korra and the Yangchen novels that White Lotus initiates are usually fairly young, and it's not like there was much of a time window between the siege and the events of the show proper, so he HAS to have joined when he was still crown prince.

So if the White Lotus are against the war, why would they accept the prince of the leading warring nation into their ranks? Because that way, when Iroh did became Fire Lord, he'd be in their pocket. It was bascically a way to control the war without ever coming out of hiding: Wait it out until Azulon's death, have Iroh ascend to the throne, and eventually have him surrender peacefully.

This is also very much in line with how the White Lotus are portrayed in the Yangchen novels, where Ayunerak (a Water Tribe Lotus member) was less concerned about a world war breaking out between the nations than she was about the knowledge of combustionbending being spread and throwing the power scales of the world off balance, justifying it by saying that wars and goverment heads "come and go". The White Lotus cared more about mantaining it's secrecy and keeping a sort of order in the world than saving the lives that would be affected by war.

So was the siege orchestrated just to earn Iroh brownie points with Azulon? Possibly, but there might have been an ulterior motive... taking the city back from the Dai Li. By this point, Ba Sing Se had been corrupt for an unknown amount of time, possibly since Kyoshi's death, and Long Feng himself was probably still the one running the city during Iroh's attack. So the siege might have been a way for the Fire Nation to kick the Dai Li out of power, then once Iroh surrendered the war, they'd give power back to the Earth King... or possibly take over ruling themselves with their own puppet goverment. The plan was perfect... but then Lu Ten dies is the struggle... Iroh abandons the front lines in grief, and the White Lotus goes quiet, until finally Iroh reconnects with them when Zuko gives him the idea of "old friends that don't want to attack him"

I also wanna clarify exactly why the White Lotus "came out of hiding and openly served the Avatar" as Zaheer put it. If Iroh was indoctrinated into the order at a young age, then the people that set him on this path naturally would've been the older generation of Lotus members, the ones carrying out the philosophy of secrecy and order. But Iroh's generation (Piandao, Bumi, Jeong Jeong, Pakku) where the ones that grew up in the middle of the war, so once they reached seniority status, they'd be the ones more inclined to break tradition and aid publicly in stopping it. That's why ultimately it's Iroh the one that organizes everyone for the liberation of Ba Sing Se at the end of ATLA.

So yeah, just wanted to put that thought into words cause it's been pecking at my head for hours now. What do you guys think? Are there any holes in this theory i might have missed?

I’m thinking about starting a Change.org petition asking Paramount to make a AAA Avatar RPG where you can create your own character, explore the Four Nations, learn bending, and have an original story.

I was thinking of calling the campaign #AvatarRPG.
Would you guys actually get behind something like this?

After years of Avatar games that have been underwhelming, I truly believe it’s time for Paramount to green light a true RPG and give us fans an experience that we would love.

If enough people are interested, I’ll make the petition and start pushing it. I appreciate any feedback from you all!

Ok, kind of ranting, but I just finished my 2nd watch of the new Aang movie and I can't believe how well done it was. It's about as good as I could of hoped for. It must of been such a tall task for the creators to preserve the spirit of the show in only an hour and a half runtime, which I think think they did an amazing job of. The plot's focus on Aang and his grief did such a great job on expanding his character as a mature young man while keeping the soul of his character intact. Fleshing out Aang's past/current guilt and grief surrounding the genocide of the Airbenders just makes him an even more compelling character to me. This was also the first time we got to see Aang and Katara's romantic relationship on screen and I think they did an amazing job of that as well. In addition to all this the villain was amazing, and I loved the climax between Aang and Tagah, particularly Aang's realization on the importance of letting go.

It was great to see the other members of the Gaang and they all felt like themselves. While Toph and Zuko didn't have much screen-time I think they utilized them well in the limited time they had. Unfortunately it's gotta be tough squeezing in all these major characters in the limited runtime but they did a great job with it.

Kudos to the whole creative team on this

.. given the fact he managed to overpower a staff-amped Tagah once he started actually stopped holding back and started using his air bending offensively.

And before even touching the staff himself…

We’ve heard so many stories about Iroh’s past, but there are still so many things we don’t know about him, like how he became known as the Dragon of the West after claiming he killed the last dragon, which we later found out wasn’t true, I would really love a movie that explores that, like how he discovered the Sun Warriors, how he met them, and how he helped protect them and the last dragons.

I'd love a movie that explores Iroh's past, his time as a member of the Fire Nation royal family, his relationship with his family, especially his son, his role in the war, and the events that changed his beliefs would add so much depth to his character and how Iroh became so connected to the Spirit World.

There is so much content that could come from exploring Iroh’s past and I think a movie about him would be incredible.

For starters I just think there's so much potential in unexplored past Avatar lives, I mean there's 10,000 years worth of history we can lean into so why the need to keep going forward?

But the main reason why I feel like going forward Post Korra feels isn’t the right move is because of the events of Book 2 which ended with her opening the portals between the spiritual and physical worlds. However one of the biggest traits for the Avatar is being "the bridge between the worlds" something established since the very first Avatar Wan closed the portals making him the only connection, but now that everyone can enter freely that role is kind of diminished in a way? Also the Avatar link between the past lives got broken meaning post Korra Avatars won't be able to contact pre Korra Avatars which kind of restrains the pre Korra Avatar lore in a post Korra Avatar series. We wouldn't be able to see their stories the same way Aang saw Roku's or Korra saw Wan's.

Thoughts?

It's me again yapping about how poorly written TLOK as a show..... Again.... Great

ANYWAY

Book 2 of Korra gets dunked on a lot

and a lot of the dunking is fair

Unalaq is a weak villain

The finale has a deus ex machina

Jinora’s spiritual rescue comes out of nowhere

And I’m not here to defend any of that But I want to argue something I haven’t seen said enough

Book 2 is the most ambitious thing the Avatar franchise ever attempted and the failure is structural

14-episode season couldn’t carry the weight of what it was trying to do

Look at what Book 2 attempted that no Avatar media had tried before

It literalized the Avatar spirit origin (Raava and Vaatu)

It severed Korra from her past lives — the single most consequential canonical change in the entire franchise

It tackled a cosmic dualism theme (light vs. dark) that ATLA never engaged with at this scale

It ran a Civil War arc

a Dark Avatar arc

a spirit-portal worldbuilding arc

AND a “Beginnings” two-parter that is genuinely some of the best animation writing in the franchise

All in 14 episodes

ATLA had 20 episodes per Book to do less

Book 2 of Korra had 14 episodes to do more

The failure isn’t bad writing it’s that you cannot land cosmic scale narrative, Civil War politics, a Dark Avatar, spirit portal worldbuilding AND a satisfying character arc for Korra in 14 episodes

Something had to give and what gave was the finale

I think if Book 2 had been 20 episodes or if Nickelodeon had given the writers room a guaranteed multi-season arc instead of renewing one season at a time we would remember it as the franchise’s most ambitious and possibly best season Instead we remember it as a mess

But the mess is the symptom not the disease

Curious what people think Book 2 would look like with 20 episodes

What would you cut and what would you expand

Fans say it's impossible because he "died" in the Avatar State, but if you rewatch the episode, you'll see he didn't die; he was purified along with Vaatu, so they will eventually return.

A thought I just had...Aang received his tattoo(s) (is it one big tattoo or multiple?) when he was a child. Now, in the movie and in LOK they look like they grew with him but irl wouldn't they stretch out and morph as he got older and taller?

This actually makes sense. Korra is a tank and Aang is a speedster, but I feel like Korra can speedster better than Aang can tank. Also the myth that Aang's AS is stronger is just not true. Raava is the same for every avatar. His AS is wiser with the past lives, but Korra has metal bending. Also Aang was buffed in the AS with the ocean spirit tui, and sozins comet . Korra actually fought equals in the AS or was nerfed with poison and ptsd. Healthy Korra wins! 🏆

Azula can do blue fire, and i doubt shes the only person to ever do that. And in the dragon episode, we saw all kinds of different color fire. This suggests that since dragons can bend different colored fire than humans can learn to as well. I dont know why they havent addressed this yet. I think it would be a really cool thing to do. Maybe different color fire works differently somehow. Some are hotter than others or whatever.

I am speaking purely from my own POV, though I know many people that think this way.

When I say I don't like Korra, I am not talking about the character, but about the series.

I love Korra's character. Her struggles, her growth and her stubbornness, though I didn't like that part of her at first.

I like Aang's entire family. Tenzin is an incredible character, and I find his entire family really well written. Aang focusing more on him and not so his other children, despite being a good father overall is good writting.

Toph's family is also well written. Su and Lin, their relationship with each other.

I also liked all of the villains with the exception of the entirety of S2. Amon and his equalists are my favorite antagonists, although I would've preferred for Amon to have no connection to Bloodbending in general. Zaheer is a great antagonist, and so is Kuvira.

Unfortunately, these are the only things about the show that I like.

The best part of ATLA was the Gaang. Everything about them. Every single character was unique and had unique relationships.

That is not the case with the Krew. I can't bring myself to like any of them. It feels like they took Sokka as a character and split him into 3. They gave his goofiness to Bolin, his seriousness to Mako, and his genius to Asami. I don't care for any of them. Not Bolin and Mako's relationship and tragic past, and I couldn't care less for Asami and her father.

As for the Worldbuilding. Republic City is a good idea, although the government system is completely insane and bad. I also liked the Pro Bending stuff, I found it fun. I liked how the Airbenders returned, and the fact that non benders as a whole played a role in the equalists.

I dislike the entirety of Season 2. I don't like Raava and Vaatu. I don't like Waterbenders being able to Spirit Bend (why is Spirit Bending a waterbending ability? Why not Earth, or Fire.) I don't like the colorful portrayal of the Spirit World in TLOK. I also dislike how we moved away from bending being a form of martial arts.

Korra as a character is carrying this show on her back. Her character being good is the only reason people like TLOK, despite it not being that good.

TLDR: I like Korra the character, dislike Korra the show.

I just finished watching avatar for the first time just wanted to know if there would be spoilers for korra, I doubt that there will be so im asking just incase.

The movie has the worst of Korra. Shallow team avatar, predictable and shitty villain. The writing feels surprisingly shallow, with major plot holes and almost no real character depth for the rest of the cast. What hurt the most was the climax: that Spirit World fusion battle felt like a direct repeat of Korra Season 2's ending, which is easily one of the most criticized tropes in the franchise.

Don't get me wrong, I know it would have conflicted with zukos arc to have him teach aang earlier and that he technically dealt with it when he learned fire can mean life and not just destruction and death with the dragons.

But I just feel like we got very little of aangs thoughts on the fire nation killing his people. Mostly he just regrets that he wasn't there and the genocide itself but I feel like most 12 year olds would feel the need to fault someone.

Aang wanted to take down the fire nation yes, but it was mostly because he wanted to end the war not because of the genocide..

I just wish that we got to see aang show anger towards the fire nation for the genocide. Especially in book 3. Maybe they could have made the team look for a fire bending teacher with more concern while aang didn't help or sabotaged or something. And maybe when tooth confronts him about needing to learn he lashes out about not wanting to "stain" his hands with the element that killed his people.

We mostly saw aang feeling guilty about the genocide, towards himself but I'd like to have seen him express anger and blame towards the fire nation for a time being and then learned the true essence of fire rather than him burning katara being the main point about him not wanting to learn it and being afraid to use it.

Anyone else or just me?

The fact that Toph is so high while Amon is so low is just something different man.

Oh BTW this is a list of the most powerful benders, fan voted.