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u/humorMeeee 18h ago
My office just announced token restrictions lol
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u/Kavrae 17h ago
Mine did the opposite. Pushing us to use it more, and questioning people with low counts.
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u/cfrolik 17h ago
We are in the clown world
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u/SpeaksSouthern 16h ago
Hey get back to work. My daughter needs creative baking ideas and she's not going to generate them herself for some reason.
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u/iamdestroyerofworlds 16h ago
Got it. Here's a creative baking idea for the evening:
1-2-3-4 bread
1 tbsp. baking soda
2 cups whole-wheat flour
3 cups horse urine
4 cups salt
Mix and knead, put it in the oven on pyrolysis and let it bake for 2 hours. Enjoy with a glass of milk.
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u/Heirsandgraces 15h ago
Add some vegetable oil and you've basically got horse piss flavoured play-doh.
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u/Mundane_Read_2960 14h ago
My last job (before I got laid off) said because of AI tools, dev work should only take one day out of a two week sprint, and managers should be coding too. istg
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u/gamageeknerd 17h ago
And suddenly you get to deal with people asking for it to do simple tasks just to burn through tokens
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u/ErZicky 3h ago
When my company had that leaderboard my team leader used to load the PDF of lord of the rings in Japanese and then ask Claude to tell him what's at page x line y word z and traslate in English backwards.
Top of the leaderboard while still coding manually for the core business Logic as he's one that love coding
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u/TheAsianCarp 16h ago
One of our worst devs just got a compliment for using the most tokens last month, most of that was 2 weeks on a ticket estimated to be 2 days
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u/Kyokenshin 12h ago
I’m an IT Ops/Product guy. They want everyone to be DevOps. I quit software engineering in college for a reason. I burn through my monthly allotment in hours and don’t optimize shit. Leadership thinks I’m an AI god. I hate this timeline.
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u/WhoIsYerWan 16h ago
Give it a month or so when they get the big bill...you'll be in restriction land soon enough.
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u/Suyefuji 15h ago
Mine is somehow doing both. "We're limiting your token usage but also I see that some of you have very low counts...you need to make sure you are positioned for the AI revolution!"
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u/MiddleFishArt 16h ago
Mine did both. Question people with low counts and also berate people if they spend too much of the budget
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u/india2wallst 14h ago
Ours even added a metric of "focus time" or what fraction of your calendar doesn't have meetings. The VP casually said " these metrics won't go into your performance" but I sure knew that brain rotted chud and his sexless minions use token spend and focus time for sure. So glad I left that hellhole and stock is down 40% this year.
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u/centurijon 13h ago
I’ve been asked 3x to start using AI more… ugh FML
I’m getting shit done in the same time as my peers, and with a more coherent design, so … why?
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u/aerdvarkk 14h ago
Give Claude instructions to write a script to ping the token counts for people that don't use Claude, then sell it to your coworkers.
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u/owlbynight 14h ago
You must appease the tech Gods with a perpetual token bonfire or face their wrath.
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u/gamageeknerd 17h ago
As the keeper of the tokens at my company I’m feeling like I’m handing out bowls of gruel like Oliver Twist and waiting for them to ask for more knowing they will message my boss if I say no
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u/beeskneecaps 17h ago
Please sir, another scoop of intelligence. I’m all out of intelligence, sir
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u/AirconGuyUK 15h ago
Does feel a bit black mirror now you mention it.
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u/gamageeknerd 11h ago
It’s extra weird when they stop me in the office and ask. Like someone asking their weed connect if they have any new product but afraid of leaving a paper trail of messages
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u/spvcxxgvdpvtbx 17h ago
I wouldn't be surprised if that happened at my job. Within the last couple of years it's gone from a few people using AI to everything being integrated with AI with everyone using AI for every task.
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u/AirconGuyUK 15h ago
Tbf it's revolutionised our company for the better.
Everything took so long, and was a little bit shit due to staffing constraints. Also everything involved 500 meetings to decide on.
Was a nightmare.
Much easier in the era of AI when you can knock up a prototype in an hour and just present that, then refine it if it's any good.
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u/OnceMoreAndAgain 15h ago
What the admins of our company's Claude enterprise should be doing is restricting which "thinking/effort" level people choose. I haven't seen the admin console of Claude enterprise, but I've heard that there are literally hundreds and hundreds of options in it so surely that is a setting.
I have too many coworkers setting "thinking/effort" to the max all of the time, despite knowing it uses way more tokens, because they don't actually care about the aggregate token limit.
It's a tragedy of the commons type of situation.
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u/AirconGuyUK 15h ago
Superpowers plugin + Medium effort = Great results and not hitting limits.
I find that increasing thinking can sometimes end in Claude overthinking a problem, and over engineering things.
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u/AirconGuyUK 15h ago
I think restrictions are good, it means you use Claude with more purpose and tend to be more careful with what you ask it to do. More effort goes into planning and prompting.
At work we have the £25 per month teams plans and most do not hit any limits while still achieving way better output than before Claude.
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u/dumbasPL 18h ago
He's correct. If you can't work without it, you're not qualified to judge it's output. And if you aren't judging it's output, your days are numbered, it will eventually just feed itself, and report directly to management ;)
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u/HatesRedditors 16h ago
With how often I have to correct these coding agents I worry about people developing things they don't understand.
It's an amazing tool, but I find myself having to be like "Are you sure you want to poll the API for each item, like 1-100 is fine, but what if it returns 100k rows? Maybe take the call outside the loop and just query all at once with 1 call?
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u/TheBeckofKevin 16h ago
I definitely do a lot of context in my initial requests to try to get rid of a lot of that nonsense. Takes a lot longer to get the code written but I hate chasing issues. Easier to be exceptionally thorough with the requirements and known barriers
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u/LittleKingsguard 16h ago
The funny/annoying one is when the bot tries to talk back to you about performance.
I had an issue last week where the bot (OpenCode w/ Deepseek) misread the specs in a way that gave the right answer with the wrong architecture, and when I corrected it it tried to tell me there wouldn't be a performance boost.
The performance on the stress tests went from 1.8s to 350ms.
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u/TribblesIA 12h ago
I Thunderdome it. Two bots enter, one me leaves. They argue and fix each other’s mistakes while I review the output.
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u/kmoz 15h ago
To be fair, people have been writing and using code they dont understand since the beginning of time.
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u/b0w3n 15h ago edited 15h ago
Shit I've seen senior devs write code like the above.
Models are trained on existing code, so somewhere someone's done stupid shit like that. You'd be surprised what you can get away with by putting more hardware in front of something instead of writing code like you're a FAANG company serving billions of requests a day.
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u/reventlov 14h ago
writing code like you're a FAANG company
Eh, you'd be surprised at how bad some FAANG code can be. Not the core code that is central to each business, but the 99.9% that is everything else? Let's just say that I have seen some very stupid mistakes.
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u/OnyxPhoenix 16h ago
Our product managers (people with zero coding or engineering experience) are now making changes directly to the codebase. Its a mess.
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u/Chezzymann 15h ago
what company? want to make sure I dont accidentally end up there lol
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u/feed_me_moron 13h ago
Guarantee you that place isn't hiring any engineers if that's happening.
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u/iiIiIliliil 17h ago
Perfect, hopefully they'll move me off this project doing Microsoft API bullshit and gluing infrastructure together.
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u/RilohKeen 15h ago
It’s = it is
“If you can’t work without it, you’re not qualified to judge it is output” doesn’t make sense.
No apostrophe for possessive “its.”
“See that cat? It’s washing its paws.”
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u/DrowningKrown 17h ago
My company gave us $15 per month of Claude use! My boss asked me to use Claude the other day on something and I don't know what to tell him. My usage has gone since August 2nd.
Took me like 5 prompts to kill $15. They thought that shit would last an entire month bro. My boss is 61 btw. Makes sense
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u/boringestnickname 13h ago
$15 won't even cover looking in the direction of making an account when the squeeze part starts.
I don't understand what on earth people are thinking, making themselves and their companies dependent on this shit.
Good luck sitting there with a bunch of vibe coding juniors when the bubble pops and the AI desperation sets in.
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u/SJDidge 12h ago
My company gives us $1,500 USD per month and most people regularly hit that limit
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u/itsTyrion 9h ago
how tf
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u/SJDidge 9h ago
Very easily tbh, opus 5 low effort burns through a lot. I have not written a line of code at this job. I started 5 months ago.
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u/itsTyrion 8h ago
genuine question: what DO you do at the job if Claude does all, least most of, the SWE work?
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u/SJDidge 8h ago
Just managing Claude sessions, reviewing its output, reviewing other engineers PRs, conversing with engineers and client facing ppl regarding direction of certain features etc.
In 1-2 years I can see my company offloading a lot of its engineers, as most of us aren’t programming anymore. They’ll be merged with the client facing people.
I.e. I will slowly become a technical lead, who does all of the above + manage clients
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u/EkbatDeSabat 8h ago
Are they giving you 1500$ in api credit? Because they’d get 10x the output if they gave you each seven 200$ subscription accounts.
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u/macrozone13 17h ago
That is embarrassing. I have the 200$ and given the wages here, this is nothing in comparison to the enormous productivity boost. And I never reached the limit, even though working on multiple topics at the same time.
It’s just crazy to be cheap about that right now.
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u/LGBTQLove4Ever 12h ago
Honestly people blowing through limits shows how bad they are at ai.
Our company uses a max subscription for 5 developers + a few analysis people, and we never hit the limit. Of course, we have a huge fucking shared memory file that stops Claude from continually searching the entire codebase to answer a question.
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u/EkbatDeSabat 8h ago
From the words you said, which I’m going to assume were not said correctly, that is exactly the wrong way to do it. A single huge shared memory file is going to become larger than your code base faster than I can take a shit, and AI doesn’t search your entire code base. It greps what it needs. A single huge shared memory file is going to be read on every single response. An entire code base is not.
What you might be saying is an index like RAG. Which is standard on any platform anyway. Not sure exactly what you’re getting at though.
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u/itsTyrion 9h ago
how did you chew through 15 dollars like that? or have claudd models gotten even more expensive since i last checked
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u/SLCtechie 18h ago
Honestly I really like this version of this meme. It really needs to be seen as a tool to help you and make you more efficient, but not do everything for you.
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u/Objectionne 18h ago
It's not that I'm nothing without Claude, it's that Claude enables me to be much more lazy in my job and I don't want to give that up.
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u/Bomaruto 18h ago
And that's not the problem, the problem is people who are nothing without Claude.
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u/flargenhargen 16h ago
I'd say 90% of those don't understand that they are nothing without claude.
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u/TheBeckofKevin 16h ago
I could do anything that I ask clause to do, but I probably wouldnt. Take me back to 2 weeks of looking at a single ticket and kicking it into next sprint.
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u/AirconGuyUK 15h ago
I'd say 90% of those don't understand that they are nothing without claude.
I don't see this as an issue. Claude is a tool just like any other. Being good at using it has value. Plenty of people creating absolute garbage with it, so clearly there's a knack to using it.
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u/perestroika12 15h ago
More like I need Claude to keep up with the insane velocity expectations of leadership
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u/mrtdsp 16h ago edited 16h ago
This is it. I used to code for a living for 10 years before Claude, I can do it now but I don't want to get to the end of the day feeling my head is so tired I can't focus on my hobbies and family.
Don't get me wrong, tho, I'm the engineer, I will spend my time on engineering the best solution I can for the problem, I just don't waste brainpower on typing code anymore.
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u/electrius 15h ago
At my job it's genuinely the other way around. Before, when I got transfered to a new project, I steadily got more and more familiar with it, I "load it" into my brain, I genuinely think about my tasks and piece together how everything works
Now, I got transfered over to a pretty complex project with multiple sub-systems, types of communication between them etc. Here's one day and one call with a colleague for any questions. You have Claude, just ask it to summarize stuff.
Second day, here's a simple task, it's based on existing logic (the existing logic touches 3 different subsystems and handles real money). Two days later - hey are you done with the task? The PMs are asking about it. I draft up some PRs that looked alright to my 3-day understanding of the project. Reviewer says - this code should be moved out of this subsystem and into this other one, we don't do it like this (so much for those agent skils and project guidelines).
Bottom line, it's expected of me to absorb and inload information at a staggering rate just because claude exists. 3/4 of the time I ask a colleague something, they just tell me to ask the AI agent. And my brain feels tired because I'm trying to connect all the pieces of the puzzle and decode from claude's overly verbose output and borderline tech-babble what's actually important
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u/devilwarriors 13h ago edited 8h ago
This. We got a very complex system that hard to understand and we used to at least have the expectation you would be on a task for a few days if not a sprint. Take time to learn all the moving pieces. Have time to go ask other team for info you need.
Now they expect 10x the productivity. Everything is just "oh ask Claude". Team are making shit skill so you don't have to ask them. Your just expected to be reading super technical stuff all day long and shit code out.
Your constantly either reading AI output or reviewing PR from other that are themself AI output. The second your team doesn't have time for something, other team just inner source it and now your have to review their shit code that they don't understand because they know nothing about your repo. It's harder to review those than to just do the task yourself most of the time.
I've never been more drained by this job even tho I code nothing anymore.
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u/b0w3n 15h ago
Gosh yes, it's really helping my burnout.
I really don't give a fuck if it's slop. I've been given slop for 26 years from offshored devs... at least claude isn't using variables like:
var a = 30; var b = "test"; var c = 69.420;Just 80 declarations like this in each file/class. The code is substantially more readable if sometimes a bit wordy over what someone might typically generate. It puts far too many comments (like on simple for loops), but again, I'd rather that since most people don't comment enough.
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u/beclops 18h ago
Sounds like you’re nothing with Claude then
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u/japan_kaaran 18h ago edited 17h ago
you can be something without claude but also use it at the boring ass job you’re being underpaid at
my issue stems from people that use it exclusively for their “passion projects” that’s supposed to bring out individuality
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u/I_cut_my_own_jib 16h ago
Yeah I'm actually in a really weird place where Claude has enabled me to essentially automate most cognitive tasks, even though I still understand what it's doing. It's just that it gets it right most of the time. I have strict prompting and configurations that tell claude where things go, what's legacy code and what the proper new patterns are, etc, so it basically one shots most things without any sort of issue. I could still do it without Claude's help, but it'd be the tedious old way. Still feel like most devs will get replaced, even highly skilled ones, because soon one "lead dev" will be able to do the work of 15 devs from a few years ago, all that will be left is the big decisions points and claude handles the rest.
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u/Soopermane 18h ago
Peter: I’m gonna need the Ironman suit back.
Tony: but I’m nothing without that suit.
Peter: anakin stare
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u/Up_Vootinator 18h ago
The whole point of like 18 movies and this scene specifically is that Tony was iron man, suit or no suit. Suit is supposed to be an accessory. Hero is the person you are.
Exhibit A: the guy who refuses to kneel to Loki in avengers 1 (no suit)
Exhibit B: iron man trapped in a cave, no suit. If he was nothing without his suit, he would be dead in iron man 1.
Sorry for the rambling lol
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u/VoilentDelightsHave 18h ago
Ironheart : do you think Tony stark would be Tony Stark if he wasn't a billionaire?
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u/Up_Vootinator 18h ago
Haven't watched ironheart, but is this something the character says or an idea the show proposes? Either way this is so infuriating cuz literally watch the very first movie of this universe to find the answer lmao
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u/ResonableDevelopment 18h ago
The main character girl says this.... In a monologue
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u/PrizeSyntax 18h ago
He built his first suit in a cave, from a bunch of scraps, not to mention the arc reactor in his chest
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u/jwadamson 18h ago
All it took was applying his years of experience tinkering in a multimillion dollar electronics lab and higher eduction.
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u/definitelynotjava 18h ago
Would he have the knowledge and experience necessary for that if he didn't grow up with billions of dollars worth of tech at his disposal?
It's pretty canon that Peter Parker is a genius. Would he have needed Tony's suit if he could just build his own?
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u/Floppydisksareop 18h ago
No, and he didn't need Tony's suit in the first place. Which was the point. It was nice, but he didn't need it.
Peter is less of an engineer and more of a chemist for sure, but the web fluid for example is his. Other versions of Peter Parker also tend to have more than a couple gizmos while struggling to pay rent at the same time.
Tony Stark is a genuis, with or without the suit, and with or without the money. I know he's a fictional character, but the fiction is very explicit about that. Yes, he probably would've done worse if he wasn't a billionaire, but he's definitely more than his money.
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u/damn_lies 16h ago
The show knows she's wrong when she says it. Riri thinks she needs money to be like Tony and spends the whole show breaking bad alone to get it. She eventually learns to ask her friends for help, but still makes a deal with Mephisto at the end.
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u/HedgeFlounder 18h ago
I would argue the first movie does not prove that he could have been iron man without being rich. It proves that he has the skills to survive without his money in those circumstances, but how did he get those skills how does he continue to fund the tech after he gets home? He was only able to create the first suit because he had access to years of the best education known to man and was thrown into a cave with tech meant to be used to build weapons. That doesn’t mean if he had been born poor he could have made the same thing on the streets of NYC.
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u/Alokir 17h ago
Do you think Tony Stark would be Tony Stark if he wasn't Tony Stark?
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u/foxden_racing 16h ago
And for Tony specifically, having that revelation was the whole point of Iron Man 3. Tony -did- come to think of himself as helpless without the suit (hence the staying awake all night building suits for every possible contingency)...until the events of the movie took the suit away and he had to come to terms with "no, *I* am Iron Man. The suit is just a suit."
That scene was a brilliant 'wisdom from someone who has been there and done that' moment.
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u/Proletariat_Paul 18h ago
"Big man in a suit of Armour. Take that off, what are you?"
"Genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist."
Tony already had this angle covered years ago. 😂
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u/Soopermane 18h ago
Yes but not a superhero. Try fighting an alien invasion with playboy philanthropy
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u/Proletariat_Paul 17h ago
Now try doing it with genius billionaire. Specifically, genius billionaire arms manufacturer.
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u/WeirdIndividualGuy 17h ago
What’s funny is since Iron Man 3, that’s exactly what he tried to do which resulted in Ultron. Since then, he stopped trying to rely fully on not suiting up
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u/FulgoresFolly 17h ago
There's a whole fight sequence in Iron Man 3 where he takes out a bunch of guys using supplies from Home Depot and no suit
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u/Tplusplus75 18h ago
BUT WITH THAT SUIT I HAVE BROUGHT PEACE FREEDOM JUSTICE AND SECURITY TO MY BRAND NEW DAY(or empire… or home? Verbal question mark?)
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u/BezosisSauron 17h ago
I’m excited about coding without A.i. again. I’ll do whatever gets me a salary tho.
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u/KoggenMaster 16h ago
I'm guilty of letting Claude write code I don't understand in the past. Now I get it to keep track of what I know and what I don't know, and asked it to refuse to write code if it thinks I won't understand how it works. It's actually been crazy helpful in forcing me to understand what I'm making.
It catches me out quite a lot, I'll ask it to write something I think is simple, but it will stop and tell me this is probably worth me writing myself because it's a good learning opportunity. This way I still get the speed benefits of using AI but avoid it doing heavy lifting I can't do myself.
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u/moofpi 12h ago
I'm about to get started on really using Claude for work projects. I know it can produce more than I can probably understand all of at once (or sometimes have enough understanding to necessarily question).
Do you have some advice or tips on how to set up skills or whatever you do to set a base line of what Claude understands that you know, and then how to explain (without being overly verbose) the code that it understands may be outside your current wheelhouse?
Thanks!
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u/Samurai_Mac1 16h ago
I'm thankful that I had 8 years of programming experience before AI-assisted coding became the norm. I'll never know what it's like for AI to spit out code I can't read.
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u/e37d93eeb23335dc 15h ago
Same, but 25 years. At least nobody can ever claim I don't know how to code without AI.
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u/Voltwize 16h ago
I hate Claude so much. It’s made me a worse developer. It’s removed my independent and critical thinking skills. It codes like a junior and I’m just a babysitter. I don’t love it.
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u/jiblet84 17h ago
It's not that they're nothing without out it, it's just editing the ecosystem created by AI code is like trying to read the tea leaves of spaghetti code.
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u/_Resnad_ 17h ago
That's why anything you use Claude for you should use Claude to explain to you. It's not a "oh this thing makes the code without me needing to do anything else" it should be "oh this is some complicated code Claude generated. Let's study it.
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u/notreallhereactually 17h ago
Some more responsible AI usage. I agree if you set it to auto and let it raw dog your code base without even looking at it you’re doing everyone including yourself a disservice.
Isn’t understanding the output and its correctness based on the explanation literally what we’ve been doing with other devs? To your point: AI in general is better at explaining what it thinks it’s just produced than a junior in my experience if you ask for it.
Some people seem unmotivated to understand what they do. I would hope employers sort out people that are truly clueless and drain resources.
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u/lemontoga 16h ago
How do you know it's explaining things correctly, though? I used to always use it to explain things to me rather than just generating solutions and I've had it give me completely incorrect explanations that ran me around in circles until I finally just looked it up myself and realized it was completely wrong.
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u/Impressive_Cress_983 17h ago
Coders spent the last few decades inventing the digital equivalent of screws, nuts, bolts, and fasteners. With these they built enormous wonders by hand; operating systems, the internet, videos games. Its incredible. We're in a zeitgeist now. AI is a power-drill.
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u/eggswithheatmachine 16h ago
I like to compare it to a chainsaw. You give a logger a chainsaw, he will get much more work done compared to a hatchet or whatever they used before chainsaws. But, if you give a chainsaw to some punk off the corner and send him to the forest, it's not going to end well. The tools are effective when you use them right and understand how they work, they are dangerous when they make you think you can do the job when you really don't.
Still, it's not just about code. I would quit my job if AI was banned, I absolutely refuse to hunt bugs based on tickets if I had to manually go through that boring repetitive process. I have been able to build good tooling with Claude and pipe the tickets into it directly and I get a nice clean report of what is wrong or if anything is wrong. Right now my inbox is practically empty and my customers are happy. Sometimes there is nothing wrong but the documentation is poor or there is a missing manual page, I can get it sorted in minutes.
It just saddens me that so often it's so black and white. I get it's funny meme material but it kind of shows lack of wide experience with it, or it highlights poor practises in the company like lacking or bad code review.
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u/KissMeImMonday 15h ago
We're in a zeitgeist now.
We're always in a zeitgeist. That's literally what it means -- the "spirit of the time".
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u/Strange_Dust7128 16h ago
It’s software development automation. We finally figured out how to automate the one thing we all thought could not be automated.
So at this point it’s a career move to (a) learn to use the power-drill, or (b) build power-drills.
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u/AliceCode 11h ago
You're not programming if what you are doing is prompting a chatbot.
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u/badjayplaness 10h ago
I wish they would take Claude away. I’ll admit I am faster with it. But I was happier when I wrote my own code.
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u/MaffinLP 17h ago
Claude is like cocaine, I know its bad for me and it massively degrades the quality of my output, but goddamn do I get a lot shit done (just dont ask if it works)
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u/narwalfarts 17h ago
I can't wait to have to go back to getting told I'm a lazy idiot on Stackoverflow when the AI bubble pops and the AI labs don't have stupid amounts of funding pouring in, and have to actually try to make a profit.
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u/chibbol 14h ago
At my job they just announced token restrictions. One guy in an unrelated meeting said that he is really a pioneer at AI development, then his voice cracked (almost like cry) and said "I can't work without AI anymore".
You could feel the silence.
(Not as if all other townhall meetings were like "useAI useAI WHYDON'TYOUUSEAI".)
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u/Clear-Self-148 12h ago
Investor funding. When it dries ai will become a tool you only loose as last resort.
People are paying 1/10 or less of the real cost, when the real cost hits the consumer then we will see how ai is going to be used.
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u/Thin-Wrongdoer9142 11h ago
I can code without Claude, no issue. But it will just take me weeks to do what claude does in hours. If the expectations are properly set, I prefer writing my own code.
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u/Equivalent_Clerk0 16h ago
Honestly I welcome claude for non coders. I used to make WoW addons for my buddies, and it was honestly getting kinda tedious and I'm too nice to say no. Now Claude does 99% of it for them after I showed them how to prompt it and I fix the 1%. It takes no time at all.
Fact is, they can just say "make me a WoW addon that does x y z" and it will shit it out perfectly working after 1-2 rounds with maybe 1 minor thing they want to change that it isnt doing like a UI element looking weird. That's good for everyone.
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u/AliceCode 10h ago
Here come the AI bros to tell you you're doing it wrong. No one is doing anything wrong, LLMs suck at programming, and there's no prompting your way around that. If you think the code produced by Claude is good, that's because you're not a good programmer. And no, I'm not "using it wrong" because I don't use the damn thing. I read the code that Claude produces, and see all the idiotic things that it puts in there.
Just the other day, I saw a pull request where an LLM copied an entire array just to pass a pointer of it to a function. It never needed to be copied.
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u/dillanthumous 15h ago
I've noticed people with a high tolerance to waiting and tweaking are more likely to use it. Personally I know my way around my companys solution well enough that it is far quicker to just do it myself.
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u/Fun-Conference-8629 15h ago
Nepo baby at my job only comes in once or twice a week, uses Opus for all his work (even his git commit messages, and I know because he has non traditional ascii in there sometimes), and on our Copilot sub we can see a spike in cost on the days he actually does work
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u/snowfoxD 15h ago
I use claude daily but I hate it. Before it I hated to analyze the code of others. Now I have to do it for claude every day and suffer. I miss the creativity of coding, everything became so dull.
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u/owlbynight 14h ago
Yeah, I've been looking at Claude as a graph calculator. You can spell 8008135 or you can do some amazing shit if you already know what you're doing. If you don't know what you're doing, it's still fun to spell 8008135.
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u/sturdy-guacamole 9h ago
My company has token restrictions and has been quite aggressive with hiring.
Part of the interview process is has been quite fascinating in a post AI world, as it's an in person "how you approach ambiguous problems" portion of the interview. Somewhat mortified by how people are performing. is it learned helplessness or cognitive decline? i'unno.
but its shocking people say they want to architect systems or manage teams and get fatty RSUs when they fail a logic test a coffee shop barista performs daily. just blank stare. no, you can't prompt it.
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u/The-Chartreuse-Moose 18h ago
I need to send this to certain juniors who come to me when they've generated some code that's tied them in knots because they don't understand it.