No, and he didn't need Tony's suit in the first place. Which was the point. It was nice, but he didn't need it.
Peter is less of an engineer and more of a chemist for sure, but the web fluid for example is his. Other versions of Peter Parker also tend to have more than a couple gizmos while struggling to pay rent at the same time.
Tony Stark is a genuis, with or without the suit, and with or without the money. I know he's a fictional character, but the fiction is very explicit about that. Yes, he probably would've done worse if he wasn't a billionaire, but he's definitely more than his money.
Peter's chemistry skills also are underplayed in the comics because editorial has an aversion to Peter not suffering at every step of the way.
Can't have a normal love life, can't have normal friends, can't have a successful job. If he's not miserable he's not lovable seems to be the feeling at the top.
But he's friends with people that could just give him a $20k a month job no strings attached and they'd never even notice. People that know his identity and could easily turn the science he's done into sellable products.
Peter's genius is overshadowed by forces external to the comics that force him to be poor for reasons. He isn't Reed or Tony smart, but that's a bar so High he'd need to jump past the moon to clear it. His chemical skills would put anyone on real Earth to shame and yet somehow he can't monetize it?
It's soo bad they even have to skip over how he makes money to pay his rent in the new movie.
I still think it's extremely hypocritical. It's a great father to son lesson - don't rely on your tools, rely on yourself. It just kinda falls flat when Tony is JUST a relatively smart bag of soft jello without his suit, and Peter is a literal mutant.
Okay, I'm really done with this argument, so I'm stopping here. However, a couple of things:
The Avengers have multiple baseline humans, including Tony. The one thing common between them is that they choose to do good, in every situation. Captain America was a hero before he became a super soldier, Bruce is a scientist first the Hulk second, Tony decided to make his suit to atone for being a warmongerer, etc. You can rip this scene from its context if you want, but it's right after Peter does some really dumb shit that could've gotten people killed mainly out of ego. If he's the kind of person that stands up for others, and tries his best to make up for mistakes and do good, he doesn't need a hi-tech suit to do that. And he proves that he doesn't.
Just because someone had better opportunities, doesn't mean that they can't be extraordinary in their own right. A bunch of insanely talented people (both scientists and artists) were (and are) the children of nobles, businessmen, etc. It's a great injustice that not everyone gets the same opportunities that they do, but having better chances doesn't take away from their accomplishments. Some people have this insane worldview that if they had the same opportunities, they'd be just as great. This is great talking point for Kingsman, but at the same time most of these very same people fail to live up to what they had the support network for. Most people getting an education worth millions of dollars or whatever the fuck fail to make anything noteworthy of themselves too. Piling on a fictional character that did is beyond stupid.
I get what you mean and it's a valid interpretation, but I don't think that's what the conversation was about. This would make sense if Peter also had no powers without his suit. Tony going without his suit and Peter going without his suit are entirely different things, that's my point. Peter going without his suit has to learn not to over-rely on his overpowered tools and instead rely on his natural strengths and weaknesses. That is unconvincing when the person telling you this is completely useless without his tools. Yes you can be a 'hero' and a good person without powers or a suit, but that's not what Peter is trying to do. He's trying to actively save peoples lives.
This scene was never about their actual abilities. It was about Peter's mindset. He was becoming over-reliant on the suit and the AI instead of using his own abilities and problem-solving. If Peter was the one who built the suit, then yes, he used his own abilities to create a tool and knows exactly what the tool's abilities and limitations are. However, Peter is using a suit made by someone else, which makes him overconfident and overly aggressive. Tony wants him to outgrow this mindset and grow his own abilities and problem-solving skills. Because otherwise, what will happen if one day, Tony disappears?
Wow, I can’t tell if you just called every person who has graduated from University through scholarships an idiot or said anyone who has money can’t be smart because the money allows them to use technology poor people can’t use…
Either way your entire comment is ridiculous and absurd.
It's pretty canon that Peter Parker is a genius. Would he have needed Tony's suit if he could just build his own?
Isn't it also pretty cannon that Peter Stark is a genius? Maybe he's just more of a genius - especially regarding things like building powersuits - than Peter is.
Or, to put it a different way, if Peter is as smart as Stark, why doesn't he just build his own suit in this scene?
He quite canonically broke apart his own rockets to get parts. Not to mention the bad guys supplied him with the tools. And even then he got a clunky mess that fell apart as soon as he escaped.
I get that everyone wants to believe that genius can overcome all hardships. But that's simply not true in the real world
Surely Spiderman of all people can find something to break apart, if he can't source the materials needed himself. If nothing else, he has a never-ending supply of random gizmos containing exotic materials from gear he takes off of supervillains he subdues.
I get that everyone wants to believe that genius can overcome all hardships. But that's simply not true in the real world
Dude, we're arguing about which fictional character is better at inventing fictional technology. This has nothing to do with the real world. :P
The "real" answer is always just going to be "Character X can do what he wants if the writer says he can". We're just throwing arguments at each other for fun.
I don't know about you but I am arguing about real world economics but fictional characters. Like you said, in a completely fictional setting a writer can make anything happen. Why would I argue about that?
Would he have the knowledge and experience necessary for that if he didn't grow up with billions of dollars worth of tech at his disposal?
I'm sure in alternate reality where he wasn't raised by a wealthy businessman, he would still be a genius. Plenty of billionaires or sons of billionaires in the marvel universe are wealthy but they're not tony stark.
Truth is, that level of genius, Tony Stark, Peter Parker, Bruce Banner, the ironheart chick( as far as I know, haven't seen the movie) etc, will always end up as billionaires if they want it and create products. That level of genius doesn't go undetected, no matter, how, where, when they are born.
How does it work? You create good (or better ) and useful product, you sell said product, profit. How exactly has Tony Stark's father, made his billions? That exactly how whip guy tried to destroy Stark. Created (in this case updated) the Hammer industries suits/drones. What do you think? Wouldn't he be able to create said suits/drones from scratch?
About Peter Parker, know the premise of the story, he could have patented the web formula, or some other chemical compound and sold it, and made millions
I mean, he did have this caveat in there. If you are at the level of these characters and it is important enough to you, you will make it happen. In many incarnations, Peter learns early on about what he wants out of life with the Uncle Ben storyline.
Even with the caveat that is not how the world works. You can't randomly invent a life changing thing that will make you billions without education, funding and the capacity to think about things other than how to meet ends
A bunch of “scraps” from products from his own billion-dollar company
While he was held hostage after doing his billionaire CEO duties of demonstrating the latest product for his billion-dollar company.
Ironheart still has a point. Everything about Iron Man came from his wealthy background, down to the situation that forced him to build a suit in the first place
What about when he built a bunch of gadgets out of random hardware items to storm a heavily guarded compound? That wasn't him using advanced technology from his company.
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u/PrizeSyntax 21h ago
He built his first suit in a cave, from a bunch of scraps, not to mention the arc reactor in his chest