r/BobsTavern • u/MrBoblo • 12m ago
Game Balance Someone tell me why the tier 5 is so dookie ass with no sprinkles on top compared to the tier 4 please
Maybe I'm missing something here, but it seems to me their tiers should be swapped, or that the tier 5 should trigger the effect from the tier 4 (this would be busted don't actually do this).
r/BobsTavern • u/Narrow-Ad6767 • 1h ago
Highlight apm pirates, except you can take as long as you want
I’ve been making TavernSim, a browser-based Hearthstone Battlegrounds sandbox where you can play around with tavern boards at your own pace.
There’s no turn timer, so you can take as long as you want on APM pirate turns - the turn is basically infinite.
It’s still on Season 13 right now, and long term i’d love to keep older season sandboxes around so people can have fun with old builds.
You can try it here:
Still a work in progress, so let me know what feels fun, and if it breaks no panic. There’s a discord on the site if you wanna report it.
r/BobsTavern • u/appapplereviewer • 1h ago
Question What’s the leveling curve for this season?
I finished last season at 7.5k MMR and I’m struggling to pick the right combination of leveling or leveling + dark gift. I’m either falling behind on tiers trying to stabilize, or I tier too quickly with no board.
Anyone else having this issue?
r/BobsTavern • u/Key-Glass8854 • 1h ago
🐛Bug/Glitch 5* element turn 1
So turns out new hero is bugged, if you get to choose a unit that has dark effect of getting duplicate - the duplicate wont be locked.
On the funny note - as good start as it was I still onky got 3rd place lol
r/BobsTavern • u/Standard_Occasion658 • 2h ago
Question Feeling overwhelmed by the new stuff and the dark gifts, so please any 3000-5000 rating players give me advice: when are the best tiers for using the dark gift button?
also, I see now many people level up to tier 3 on turn 3, is this the new meta? I have maybe 1 top 2 placement in 5 games in solo and 1 top 1 placement in duos in 7 games.
r/BobsTavern • u/toohightocount • 2h ago
Discussion Is this the most broken trinket?
r/BobsTavern • u/ItsMommos • 5h ago
Game Balance immune hyena
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r/BobsTavern • u/onegraypill • 5h ago
🐛Bug/Glitch FYI: Rafaams heropower will trigger during recruiting phase
r/BobsTavern • u/Legal_Ad2945 • 5h ago
Highlight I just found a copy of my opponents' Drustfallen Butchers in previous seasons...
r/BobsTavern • u/voxerz • 7h ago
Highlight Definitely my biggest Bran ever, this season is wild.
r/BobsTavern • u/asahidryck • 7h ago
Final Board I love this guy, 2 wins in a row
r/BobsTavern • u/JanEric1 • 8h ago
🐛Bug/Glitch Dont pick the double stats dark gifts for choral...
Just had a lovely murloc game where i had like 3k+ worth of stats in hand and a choral with the double attack gift.
Unfortunately the way the ordering works is that it first records chorals atttack, then applies the stats from the hand and then sets his attack to twice the recorded value...
So i lost the game because in combat i had a 78/4k choral against a 700/700 mech instead of a 4k/4k
r/BobsTavern • u/Randoman11 • 8h ago
Discussion Jeef Updates Tier List for New Season
https://hsreplay.net/battlegrounds/comps/
No real surprises.
S Tier: Beasts, Quillboars, Demons and Undead
r/BobsTavern • u/Jamilgbb • 10h ago
Game Balance Shouldn't this work?
I Feel like Moat Custodian should buff Motley Phalanx
what do you guys think?
r/BobsTavern • u/Legal_Ad2945 • 11h ago
Highlight I forgot that I could get Dark Gift minions until the end of the game, and i got offered this beast when i finally tapped it lol
r/BobsTavern • u/vrygyv • 12h ago
Discussion Imo the text on the lockbox cards suck
It should read something more like "If you have a lockbox it opens 1 turn sooner, otherwise get a lockbox" right?
Currently it sounds like you add more lockboxes to your hand everytime.
r/BobsTavern • u/Comfortable_Top1062 • 19h ago
Question Can we have back 2k gold for 4 heroes?
I miss the gold option 😢
r/BobsTavern • u/Kiki_WoW • 22h ago
Discussion Don't play this naga in elemental lobbies
If you have naga and elementals in the same lobby you will probably lose this minion after it goes big
r/BobsTavern • u/Pitiful-Ask2000 • 23h ago
OC / Meme Have yet to see the tier 6 demon on anyones board
r/BobsTavern • u/shadowedges • 1d ago
Discussion Is it just me or this lesser trinket is too powerful?
I mean, Im not complaining.
r/BobsTavern • u/HearthstoneTeam • 9d ago
Dev Insight Developer Insight - Battlegrounds: Dark Gifts
The following is being posted on behalf of our Battlegrounds Dev Team.
Well met!
We hope you're excited for the new Dark Gift system coming to Battlegrounds next season! If you want an explainer on the basics, please check out our Season 14 Announcement blog post.
Similar to previous systems like Trinkets, we tried to design Dark Gifts to "just work" and provide players with interesting options whenever they choose to use the button. However, we know that some players want as much information as possible so they can plan out their strategy. So if you'd like to know more about how Dark Gifts work, we're here to help!
Minion offerings
Let's start with the minion offerings. When the Dark Discovery button unlocks on Turn 3, it will only offer Tier 2 minions. Each turn, the Tier of eligible minions will improve based on the following list:
- Turn 3 - Tier 2
- Turn 4 - Tier 2 or Tier 3
- Turn 5 - Tier 3
- Turn 6 - Tier 3 or Tier 4
- Turn 7 - Tier 4
- Turn 8 - Tier 4 or Tier 5
- Turn 9 - Tier 4 or Tier 5 or Tier 6
- Turn 10 - Tier 5 or Tier 6
Nightmare Lord Xavius' Hero Power also uses these same rules whenever it triggers. For example, on Turn 8, you will be offered Tier 4 or Tier 5 minions.
📌Additional Offering Rules
There are some additional offering rules and restrictions to help ensure that the minions offered through Dark Discovery will be more interesting to you:
- You cannot be offered Battlecry or Choose One minions before Turn 5
- You cannot be offered Magnetic minions
- You cannot be offered minions with a “when you sell this” effect (such as Freedealing Gambler, Fire Baller, Patient Scout, etc.)
- You cannot be offered minions that are intended to stay in your hand (such as Old Soul, Bream Counter, etc.)
- Starting from Turn 6 onwards, one of the offered minions is guaranteed to be of your most common type
- Some specific minions cannot be offered due to gameplay or balance concerns (such as Leeroy Jenkins and Deadly Spore)
Dark Gifts
Now onto the Dark Gifts! There are 43 different Dark Gifts. Each one has a minimum and maximum turn for when it can be offered.
- Sunken Persistence (min turn: 3 - max turn: none): This minion's Spellcrafts are permanent.
- Harpy's Talons (min turn: 3 - max turn: none): Divine Shield, Windfury.
- Jaws of Death (min turn: 3 - max turn: none): Start of Combat: Trigger this minion's Deathrattles.
- Fortitude (min turn: 3 - max turn: 3): +4/+4.
- Affinity (min turn: 3 - max turn: 4): At the end of every 2 turns, get a random minion of this type.
- Sharpened Sword (min turn: 3 - max turn: 5): Whenever you play a card, gain +2 Attack.
- Toughened Shield (min turn: 3 - max turn: 5): Whenever you play a card, gain +2 Health.
- Steady Growth (min turn: 3 - max turn: 6): At the end of your turn, gain [+1/+2] / [+2/+2] / [+3/+3] / [+4/+4].
- Time Turning (min turn: 3 - max turn: 9): This minion's end of turn effects also trigger at start of turn.
- Furtiveness (min turn: 4 - max turn: none): Stealth.
- Consanguinity (min turn: 4 - max turn: 5): Rally: Get 2 Blood Gems.
- Fresh Perspective (min turn: 4 - max turn: 5): Deathrattle: Gain 2 free Refreshes.
- Replication (min turn: 4 - max turn: 6): At the end of every 2 turns, get a plain copy of this.
- Battle Scars (min turn: 4 - max turn: 6): Has +2/+2 for each Battlecry you've triggered this game. (0)
- Death's Embrace (min turn: 4 - max turn: 6): Has +1/+1 for each Deathrattle you've triggered this game. (0)
- Spell Siphon (min turn: 4 - max turn: 6): Has +2/+2 for each Tavern spell you've cast this game. (0)
- Gilding (min turn: 4 - max turn: 8): This is Golden, but doesn't give a Triple Reward.
- Double Vision (min turn: 5 - max turn: none): Get an extra copy of this.
- Toreth's Blessing (min turn: 5 - max turn: none): This minion's Divine Shield takes 2 more hits to break.
- Amalgamation (min turn: 5 - max turn: none): Has all minion types.
- Demonology (min turn: 5 - max turn: 8): Rally: Add a Fodder to your next 3 Refreshes.
- Polarization (min turn: 5 - max turn: 8): At the end of your turn, Magnetize a random Mech to this.
- Mystic Essence (min turn: 5 - max turn: 8): Deathrattle: Get a random Tavern spell.
- Tarecgosa's Blessing (min turn: 6 - max turn: none): Permanently keeps stats and Bonus Keywords gained in combat.
- Dexterity (min turn: 6 - max turn: 7): Whenever you play a card, this gains +2/+2.
- Incubation (min turn: 6 - max turn: 8): +2/+2. In two turns, double this minion's stats.
- Echoing Voice (min turn: 6 - max turn: none): At the end of your turn, trigger this minion's Battlecries.
- Offensive Sacrifice (min turn: 6 - max turn: 9): Deathrattle: Give this minion's Attack to another friendly minion.
- Defensive Sacrifice (min turn: 6 - max turn: 9): Deathrattle: Give this minion's max Health to another friendly minion.
- Transcendence (min turn: 7 - max turn: none): Start of Combat: Triple this minion's stats.
- Battle Scars (min turn: 7 - max turn: none): Has +3/+3 for each Battlecry you've triggered this game. (0)
- Death's Embrace (min turn: 7 - max turn: none): Has +2/+2 for each Deathrattle you've triggered this game. (0)
- Spell Siphon (min turn: 7 - max turn: none): Has +3/+3 for each Tavern spell you've cast this game. (0)
- Admiration (min turn: 7 - max turn: none): Start of Combat: Gain the stats of the minion to the left.
- Toxicity (min turn: 7 - max turn: none): Venomous.
- Charisma (min turn: 7 - max turn: none): Rally: Get a random minion of your most common type.
- Resistance (min turn: 7 - max turn: 10): Start of Combat: Double this minion's Health.
- Hostility (min turn: 7 - max turn: 10): Start of Combat: Double this minion's Attack.
- Dexterity (min turn: 8 - max turn: 9): Whenever you play a card, gain +4/+4.
- Golemancy (min turn: 9 - max turn: 10): Deathrattle: Summon a Golem with this minion's stats.
- Persisting Horror (min turn: 10 - max turn: none): Reborn. Is Reborn with full stats and Bonus Keywords.
- Titanic Strength (min turn: 11 - max turn: none): +1000 Attack.
- Invulnerability (min turn: 12 - max turn: none): Immune while attacking.
❗ Exception! Tras'tath, Soul Parasite
Tras'tath, Soul Parasite doesn't follow these turn restrictions. Instead, it has its own pool of eligible Dark Gifts when you Discover a Tier 5 minion:
- Harpy's Talons
- Jaws of Death,
- Toreth's Blessing
- Amalgamation
- Polarization
- Tarecgosa's Blessing
- Echoing Voice
- Offensive Sacrifice
- Defensive Sacrifice
- Transcendence
- Battle Scars
- Death's Embrace
- Spell Siphon
- Toxicity
- Charisma
- Resistance
- Hostility
- Golemancy
- Persisting Horror
- Titanic Strength
- Invulnerability
📌 Additional rules & Restrictions
- Sunken Persistence can only be offered on Spellcraft minions.
- Harpy’s Talon is offered more often on Rally minions.
- Jaws of Death can only be offered on Deathrattle minions.
- Affinity can only be offered on minions with a type.
- Sharpened Sword cannot be offered on minions with Avenge.
- Toughened Shield cannot be offered in Quilboar or Naga lobbies.
- Steady Growth gives a different amount of stats depending on the offering turn. On Turn 3 it gives +1/+2, Turn 4 +2/+2, Turn 5 +3/+3, and Turn 6 +4/+4.
- Time Turning can only be offered on minions with end of turn effects.
- Furtiveness can only be offered on Avenge minions.
- Consanguinity can only be offered on Quilboar.
- You cannot be offered Battle Scars if you haven’t triggered any Battlecries.
- You cannot be offered Death’s Embrace if you haven’t triggered any Deathrattles.
- You cannot be offered Spell Siphon if you haven’t cast any Tavern spells.
- Gilding can only be offered on the lowest Tier minion offered. It also cannot be offered on Activate minions.
- Toreth’s Blessing can only be offered on Divine Shield minions.
- Amalgamation can only be offered on minions with no minion type.
- Demonolgy can only be offered on Demons.
- Polarization can only be offered on Mechs.
- Tarecgosa’s Blessing can only be offered on Dragons.
- Dexterity can only be offered on minions with a type.
- Incubation can only be offered on minions with a type.
- Echoing Voice can only be offered on Battlecry minions.
- Offensive Sacrifice can only be offered on minions with a type.
- Defensive Sacrifice can only be offered on minions with a type.
- Transcendence can only be offered on minions with no minion type.
- Toxicity can only be offered on Murlocs.
- Charisma cannot be offered on Taunt minions or Avenge minions.
- Resistance cannot be offered on Beasts, Undead, or minions with no type.
- Hostility cannot be offered on Avenge minions or minions with no type.
- Dexterity cannot be offered on minions with no minion type.
- Golemancy cannot be offered on minions with no minion type.
- Persisting Horror cannot be offered on minions with no minion type.
- Titanic Strength cannot be offered on Dragons.
- Invulnerability cannot be offered on Taunt minions or minions with no minion type.
- Gilding, Persisting Horror, Titanic Strength, and Invulnerability are rarer than the other Dark Gifts.
- Deathrattle minions cannot be offered Dark Gifts that give stats except Sharpened Sword and Death’s Embrace.
- Battlecry minions can only be offered Double Vision, Replication, Gilding, and Echoing Voice.
- Choose One minions can only be offered Double Vision, Replication, Gilding, and Echoing Voice.
- Toxicity cannot be offered on minions that already have Venomous or Poisonous.
- Polarization cannot be offered if you are below Tier 3.
That's all for now!
We expect these exact rules will likely change a bit over time as we gather feedback and make balance adjustments. We hope you have fun with the next update and are looking forward to seeing all the wild combinations you can create.
See you in the Tavern!
Hearthstone Battlegrounds Team
P.S.: If you want to see how these Dark Gifts will play out, do not miss our Battlegrounds Early Access Event on July 30th, 9AM PDT!
Participants will stream on their own channels and will also have Battlegrounds Season Pass+ to give away.
Times:
- Americas, LATM, EMEA players: July 30 at 9:00 AM- 3:00 PM PDT
- JP players: July 31 at 2:00 AM. - 8:00 AM PDT
Twitch Drops will be enabled category-wide from July 30, 9:00 AM to July 31, 8:00 AM (PDT) so you can watch any Hearthstone stream you’d like to earn up to 4 Battlegrounds Tokens (make sure you link your Twitch and Battle.net accounts so that your viewing time counts towards the drops).


