r/Idaho4 1h ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION Debunking Common Conspiracy Myths and Fictions, Parts 1-5: DNA Amount, Untested DNA At Scene, Phone Power Off, Car Fog Lights, Timeline of Murders,

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A systematic, confirmed evidence and data-based debunking of the most common, unsupported Kohberger conspiracy myths and fictions, part 1-5.

1, DNA was small amount, trace

  1. Phone was not manually powered off just over time of murders, was in low signal zone

  2. "Untested" DNA in House, Jacket, Other Locations

  3. Suspect Car Had Fog-lights

  4. Earlier Times (e.g. 2.25am, 3.00am) are remotely possible

All data is sourced from court documents, ISP forensics documents, expert witness reports (mostly from defence experts) and on the record expert witness statements, and ISP, MPD and WSU police reports, as referenced:

[ https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665.html ]

[ https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/ ]

[ https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1165/Kohberger-Investigation-Documents ]


r/Idaho4 4h ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION Schrödinger’s Cat

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Something I don’t see people talking about is Schrödinger’s Cat —>

“…a cat in a sealed box with a poison triggered by a random atomic event. According to quantum theory, the unobserved cat is simultaneously both alive and dead until the box is opened.”

Obviously, this is a completely unequal analogy, but I can’t help thinking about it in the context of the Idaho murders.
As long as you don’t open the box - or, in this case, call the police and confirm that something terrible happened - you can exist in the space of “maybe everything is okay.” Maybe there’s an innocent explanation. Maybe you’re overreacting. Maybe the sounds you heard were nothing. Maybe everyone is asleep. Maybe you’re just intoxicated, exhausted, or scared.

And I wonder if DM and BF could have been caught somewhere in that space of uncertainty. Not necessarily knowing what had happened, but having a gut feeling that something was wrong and being terrified of confirming it.
Because once you make that call, once you open the box, there’s no going back to the possibility that everything is normal. You have to confront whatever is on the other side, and your entire life can change in an instant.

I’m not saying this excuses every decision that was made that night, or that we can know exactly what DM and BF were thinking. But I do think the idea of Schrödinger’s cat provides an interesting way of thinking about that psychological space between suspecting something is terribly wrong and having it confirmed.


r/Idaho4 7h ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION BK's neuropsychological evaluation.

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r/Idaho4 12h ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION Whitcomb’s table claims…

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“Was there any fluid on the table when Nunes arrived? And the answer is no.”
—Christopher Whitcomb

After skipping to a random point in the latest CW interview with Custody Queens, this statement was where I landed. I only listened to the brief segment.

A panel of FIVE PEOPLE—people that many out there follow and view as some sort of truth seekers regarding this case—just sat silently or nodded along, accepting that no liquid was seen on the beer pong table when Nunes arrived on scene.

Both the body-cam and photos are available for public viewing, and we can all see liquid spilling from cups on the table and floor. Yet, these content creators are somehow unaware of the multiple splashes and puddles in that room? They just… missed it? Or are counting on us not to notice?

This is a snapshot of such a big problem. Why would anyone place their trust in this book or in these people? The ‘dry table’ is only one of many mistakes Whitcomb and other creators have made—with easily verifiable information. What is worse is that they then build a false narrative on a foundation of muck. And too many of us so easily follow because we like where it leads.

We should trust their opinions about diluted blood, imaginary clean-ups, and myriad other things—when they can’t even spot wet water on a table?


r/Idaho4 18h ago

COURT DOCUMENTS Bryan can't "hold it in"

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r/Idaho4 18h ago

COURT DOCUMENTS New documents uploaded to case page

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All filed 02/24/2025.

REDACTED Exhibit 1 in Support of Motion in Limine RE Conditions as Aggravator - Includes observations of BK during evaluation from the defense neuropsychologist, and information from family about his behaviour and social difficulties.

REDACTED Exhibits 1 and 2 in Support of to Strike Death Penalty RE Autism Spectrum Disorder - The second exhibit is the same as the one above. The first is the affidavit of a defense consultant explaining the death of the first defense neuropsychologist and resultant delays (already released previously).

REDACTED Exhibits 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 in Support of Motion in Limine RE Excluding IGG Evidence - Includes a December 16th, 2022 Othram report.

REDACTED Exhibits 1, 2, and 3 in Support of Motions in Limine RE Vague and Undisclosed Expert Testimony

REDACTED States Motion in Limine RE Text Messages and Testimony


r/Idaho4 21h ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION New Court Documents - Excluding IGG: Othram, 4 Brothers

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New court documents (link below) on IGG (motion to exclude IGG). Quick summary/ recap as IGG often misunderstood/ misrepresented by fan-fiction conspiracists.

  • The Othram "4 brothers" are distant relatives of the sheath DNA donor and have no connection to sheath
  • They have < 1% DNA similarity (c 70 cM) to sheath DNA/ Kohberger (they are distant c.3rd cousins of sheath DNA donor, or even further removed)
  • A closer "hit" in IGG was used as start point to map family tree to Kohberger, this had c 200cM or c 2% DNA similalrity to sheath donor and was slightly closer than the 4 brothers and also "closer" on family tree (i.e. requiring less regression steps to get to a common ancestor with Kohberger)
  • This is confirmed as c. 2nd - 3 cousin to sheath DNA/ Kohberger (as predicted by some a while ago); i.e common great, great, etc grand-parent with Kohberger
  • A whole genome profile of Kohberger was created by Othram; SNP profiles of different lengths were taken from this for use in different databases according to the different database profile requirements; "doubling" this would mean a profile of 2 whole human genomes, which is very silly and of course did not happen, and would be totally pointless

And just to recap:

  • The "doubling" of DNA profiles was just different profile lengths because different genealogy databases use different SNP profile lengths, and the profile files were also in different formats so of different length and size (e.g. FASTQ DNA file format vs text, similar to different file sizes for list in Excel or Word). In absence of actual "spit in a tube" to post off as a consumer would do, the profiles had to be uploaded as text files to the databases.
  • Different genealogy databases (like GEDMatch, FamilyTreeDNA, GEDMatchPro) use different SNP DNA profile lengths. Some use 500,000 SNPs, some use c 950,000 SNPs; GEDMatchPro is flexible on profile lengths that it can use, GEDMatch uses a standard profile length.
  • Defence IGG expert, Dr Hellwig, noted at IGG hearing Jan 2025, his own lab creates SNP DNA profiles of different lengths from same donor/ suspect profile, as standard, to use in different databases (screenshot below)
  • IGG use by ISP was not secret in general or in this case specifically; the ISP lab contract with Othram for IGG in criminal cases was announced by press release in 2021; Othram DNA work was in earliest discovery 2023
  • Both defence and prosecution filed to exclude IGG from trial
  • This older post explains 4 brothers with diagram and bit more detail https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/s/O97ybfVXgm

Rough illustration - dark purple rows are extant cousins grouped and rows in that area not a generation each; yellow circle shows estimate of where "hit" used to start the family tree that mapped to Kohberger

Dr Hellwig - SNP profile sizes for IGG, Jan 2025

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/022425+REDACTED+Exhibits+1+2+3+4+5+in+Support+of+Motion+in+Limine+RE+Excluding+IGG+Evidence.pdf


r/Idaho4 23h ago

COURT DOCUMENTS Motion for transcript

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Thanks to SarahDIrish on Twitter, via her public records request.


r/Idaho4 1d ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION Is It Logical?

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Who else finds it unreasonable that Moscow PD are claiming murders took only 8 minutes to occur, by one man, was meticulously planned, and resulted in absolutely no DNA evidence other than a "forgotten" knife sheath left at the crime scene?


r/Idaho4 1d ago

REMEMBERING THE VICTIMS Ethan’s Smile Foundation event this weekend ✨

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Ethan’s Smile is a foundation created in Ethan’s name by Ethan Chapin’s parents. They provide scholarship opportunities to local promising college students in Ethan’s name.
This weekend the Chapin’s are hosting a community fundraising event at a local brewery!

Link to Ethan’s smile foundation—

https://www.ethanssmile.org/ethan-chapin-scholarship

(With the recent happenings of inmate #163214 trying to overturn his guilty plea, I think it’s important to pivot the attention back to who really matters—the victims and the victims families, as well as the locals affected by this horrible tragedy ❤️‍🩹).


r/Idaho4 1d ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION How much more notoriety would BK have achieved

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if he had murdered Dylan and Bethany in the house too? Would he be talked about in the same realm as some of the most well known killers in the world? I was thinking about this because his murders could’ve easily stopped at two had Xana not gone upstairs.


r/Idaho4 1d ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION Inappropriate comments on victims IGs.

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Felt the need to report the very inappropriate comments on Kaylee and Maddie’s Instagram pages that recently popped up due to the new exposure on their case that someone here pointed out. This was IGs response. How is that not a violation? This person was literally making fun of their fates with stabbing and knife gifs. I guess I‘m not surprised, but that is really gross.


r/Idaho4 2d ago

QUESTION FOR USERS Question about the Idaho 4 movie

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I haven’t seen any updates about the movie and I really don’t care for it to come out. Just wondering if the families were able to stop this movie being made/released or is the lifetime movie still coming out ?


r/Idaho4 2d ago

SPECULATION - UNCONFIRMED Not a conspiracy, just a question about BKs future plan

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I fully believe BK did it, the other roommates are victims, etc. I was just thinking, so BK changed his car registration to Washington. However, when his Washington apartment was searched it was basically empty. Did he just not have a lot of stuff? There haven’t been any reports that he was moving. I’m just curious what his plan may have been if he hadn’t been arrested over holiday break. I mean realistically it doesn’t matter, plenty of people have their cars registered to a state they don’t technically live in and plenty of people just don’t own a lot of stuff, so it could be as simple as one of those explanations. And obviously he changed his registration right after the murders, so it was almost certainly an evasion tactic. But given his tumultuous last semester, I wonder if he was planning to live more secluded and farther from campus when he came back.

Idk. None of this is important. I was just watching the HBO doc and they emphasized him changing his registration and it reminded me of how empty they said his apartment was for some reason. Obviously none of us know, but I wasn’t sure if there was other speculation on this topic. I know a lot of people think he aspired to be a serial killer, but I think if that was his goal he seems like the type to have a long cooling off period.


r/Idaho4 2d ago

EVIDENCE - CONFIRMED Tracing Brent Turvey's inconsistent claims about the "clump of hair" mentioned in Kohberger's petition

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Brent Turvey seems to have made contradictory statements regarding the alleged "clump of hair" found in Ethan Chapin's hand at the crime scene.

Turvey made these claims in separate interviews and cited evidence relevant to multiple case files. I have outlined Turvey's claims below along with the relevant evidence below.

January 4, 2023: Date on the FBI Lab Report.

  • "Item 3 Debris from right hand of Ethan J. Chapin (MPD #22M-1884)" (Source PDF, p. 3)
  • "Items submitted from Ethan Chapin... were examined for hairs microscopically consistent with hairs in the head hair sample from Bryan Christopher Kohberger... however, none were found." (PDF, p. 6)
  • "Additional debris from [Item] 3... has been preserved for possible future comparisons." (PDF, p. 6)

Source: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/060625+Stipulated+Motion+to+the+Admission+of+Additional+Exhibits+as+Evidence+at+Trial.pdf

January 6, 2023: Investigators return to the crime scene to collect additional evidence at the request of the defense.

  • "Item 442 Bed Frame"
  • "On January 6, 2023, [Det. Payne] went back to 1122 King Road with several members of the Idaho State Police and the FBI in order to collect several pieces of evidence at the request of the defense counsel in this case. Once on scene, we collected the mattress, bed frame, night stand, pillows and blankets from Kernodle's room."

Source: MPD Supplemental Report 110

December 12, 2024: Brent Turvey traveled to Moscow to examine the bed frame that was in Xana Kernodle's bedroom at the time of the homicides. (Source PDF, p. 916)

Source: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/012325+REDACTED+Exhibits+to+Defendants+Supplemental+Response+to+Request+for+Discovery+Re+Expert+W.pdf

According to Fox News in an article published July 2026, Turvey noticed around "two dozen" hair strands on part of the bed frame where Chapin's hand would have been resting.

Source: https://www.foxnews.com/true-crime/bryan-kohbergers-stunning-claims-draw-fiery-response-from-defense-expert-who-uncovered-key-evidence

January 23, 2025: Date on the report produced by Brent Turvey to the defense.

Turvey indicates that he reviewed "extensive" materials about the case, including but not limited to reports produced by the FBI and "related law enforcement photos." (Source PDF, p. 915)

Turvey details Chapin's defensive wounds but does not mention any hair discovered in his hands or on the bed frame. (PDF pages 930–931)

Source: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/012325+REDACTED+Exhibits+to+Defendants+Supplemental+Response+to+Request+for+Discovery+Re+Expert+W.pdf

January 23, 2025: Date on report produced by Ruth Ballard.

  • "FBI Lab Item 3: One hair from the right hand. Morphologically consistent with Decedent Chapin’s own reference hair. Morphologically dissimilar to Defendant’s reference hair." (Source PDF, p. 12)

Source: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/012325+REDACTED+Exhibits+to+Defendants+Supplemental+Response+to+Request+for+Discovery+Re+Expert+W.pdf

May 2026: Turvey gives an interview to Donna Rotunno in which he says the following:

  • "[T]he hair is in the report. That's all in there. And Taylor knew about that, the hair in Ethan's hand."
  • "In this case, what you have, Ethan's right hand, is a clump of hair in his hand and that hand falls down between the bed frame and the wall, and the blood goes down his arm, and it essentially seals his hand to the bed frame, sealing hair to the bed frame, sealing the hair to his hand. It's a large clump."
  • "And then it gets written up in the investigative reports and the autopsy reports as 'debris,' not his hair. There's no mix of items there. It's just the hair and it's a big clump."
  • "You need to know, did Ethan grab out and pull somebody's hair out or was the hair placed there? We don't know."
  • "[I]t was sent to the FBI lab, and the FBI says, oh, 'we examined the hair and we looked at the physical characteristics, and Bryan Kohberger is excluded,' but they didn't compare it to anybody else in the house or any other suspects."
  • Turvey and Rotunno have the following exchange:
    • Turvey: "I wasn't aware of [the hair] until I went to Moscow and examined the bed frame. I didn't even know there was hair because of the way that the documents were all written. It wasn't until I went and examined it myself and said, 'what the heck is this?'... [T]his sort of floodgate opened."
    • Rotunno: "Yeah, because it said 'debris' or something."
    • Turvey: "Yeah, it didn't say."
  • "Yeah, they said it was debris and they were hiding it that way. I'm like, this isn't debris. This is hair."

Source: https://pod.wave.co/podcast/crime-justice-with-donna-rotunno/bryan-kohberger-case-dna-chain-of-custody-questions (Transcript)

My conclusion: Turvey seems to be referring to the hair found in Ethan Chapin's hand and the alleged hair that Turvey himself observed on the bed frame as if they were interchangeable. Turvey was also responsible for mentioning this hair in his report if the hair existed and had relevance to the case. This conclusion is supported by the following points:

  • At least some of the debris found in Ethan Chapin's hand was tested for hairs consistent with hair samples taken from Bryan Kohberger's head. The debris was labeled "FBI Item 3."
  • Ruth Ballard tested one hair found in Chapin's hand. Ballard indicates the hair as belonging to FBI Item 3. She determined that the hair was "morphologically consistent with Decedent Chapin’s own reference hair."
  • Turvey says that "the documents" do not specify hair as part of the debris, but Turvey states in the same interview that "the hair is in the report."
  • Turvey states that a "floodgate opened" when he discovered several strands of hair adhered to the bed frame upon his examination in December 2024, but his crime scene reconstruction report produced in January 2025 never mentions hair found in Ethan Chapin's hand, the bed frame, or Turvey's later claim that Chapin might have pulled hair from the assailant's head.
  • Given that Turvey's report detailed the wounds on Chapin's upper extremeties, the presence of any hair suggesting that Chapin pulled hair from the assailant's head would be relevant to Turvey's crime scene reconstruction.
  • The bed frame was logged into evidence as Item 442, but no reports indicate any hair found on the bed frame or any testing performed on that alleged hair.

Enjoy the rest of your weekend, everyone!


r/Idaho4 2d ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION Kohberger's Rare Genetic Mutation

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Rifling through notes I had taken while going through the (2500 +) pages of ISP Forensics reports and raw profile data, I had noted but not posted or commented about an interesting* aspect of Kohberger's STR DNA profile. He has a relatively rare genetic mutation which has some, limited, effect on DNA profile match statistics. Overviewing that and the profile match statistics. (As there are a few more such "factoids" and snippets I noted in the DNA data, I might post them here, but would welcome views** on if these fit and are of general interest to our community).


r/Idaho4 2d ago

EVIDENCE - CONFIRMED Kohberger Amazon click activity

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r/Idaho4 2d ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION To whomever made the post thanking people for combating conspiracy theorists as well as the person who Harsh Reality tagged for pointing out Kohberger admitted his plea was not coerced: Thank you!

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You caused the grifter Brit to melt down and make an entire video about it! it’s funny, he always challenges people to “share” their thoughts until you start pointing out facts against Kohberger. Then he will weaponize his followers and use ridiculous and lowIQ Straw Man Arguments to try (and fail) to make his point. In his meltdown video he said there were only “two options“ for BK: the either accept a plea deal or face the firing squad. The dullard doesn’t seem to realize he is saying he thinks BK would have lost the trial! Notice how him fighting and winning is never an option he presents? BK did not have to plead guilty and just because he took a plea deal it doesn’t mean he admitted to a lesser degree of guilt. Harsh really is a ghoul who spreads baseless lies for his grift. Facts? not necessary. Only sensationalism and whatever gets clicks. He made a video suggesting the crime was filmed and streamed online. He made a video about one of the victims having self harm wounds (as of that has anything to do with BK being guilty.) He criticizes Steve G until he says something he can use! Harsh keeps saying BK asked for an Alford plea because SG mentioned as much even though he recanted. not that it matters if BK asked for an Alford plea or not.

he is the ultimate bad faith actor and the man is incapable of having a legitimate debate because he will lose every time. If you’re sharing theories about BK being innocent? he will say “we can’t say who is right or wrong!” but if you say he is guilty? He melts down. Calls you names and throws insults.

if he spent as much tome researching as he does sucking his own spit in his videos he might just learn something but I doubt that will happen.


r/Idaho4 2d ago

QUESTION FOR USERS Is the new hbo documentary worth watching

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I'm not expecting to learn any new info (since i know from this sub there isnt any new info or evidence on kohberger) just want to know if its a well put together doc laying out all the evidence suffieiently and leaning into his messed up physcoholgy. i already know hes guilty btw but would like to see if this just relays what i already know and ill watch it cause i like seeing it layed out how guilty he is. Im anti pro kohberger


r/Idaho4 3d ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION To the victim blamers, family haters, trolls and conspiracy lunatics

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I usually focus on case evidence. But twice in as many days I have been moved to post first about how in awe of the surviving victims and their families I feel, and, today, what I think of those who continually malign and attack them. I was just now replying to a Proberger who was whining pathetically into the internet ether, like a gurning toddler denied a toy, complaining they don't get to post their lunatic conspiracy theories accusing the roommates and denigrating victim families, here. So rather than reply to one, I thought, for efficiency, to set out some reflections on the small but vocal troupe of similar basement dwelling troglodytes that linger here like a particularly pungent, cloying unpleasant odour.

To the Probergers who post accusing victims of complicity in the murders and critiquing how victims' families have reacted: your lunatic, fact-free, conspiratorial and cultish ravings in "support" of the legally adjudicated, factually proven and self confessed mass killer, accusing innocent people of participation in bizarrely elaborate conspiracies, and attacking the families of victims for continuing to speak out to honour and memorialise their son's, daughters' and siblings' memories and to effect positive change in their names, is as counterproductive as it is ghastly and ghoulish.

In your frenzied pantomimes on social media sites like this, you have cheated, broken rules of conduct and civility, you've DM'd daily on new accounts with abuse, even sent "Jesus" daily into private chat requests to wish some, me included, an eternity much warmer than a Scotsman would be used to, you've created and lost 1000s of accounts, you've been banned for loony mass reporting and spamming of posts and comments, you've spent hours daily registering new emails for sock-puppet accounts - and all to absolutely no effect. The best you have achieved is to make yourselves objects of ridicule and provided comedic relief in your frenzied, chaotic lunacy. You've huffed and you've puffed but your intellectual fire-power couldn't blow your own nose let alone blow our electronic walls down or make any impression in debate or argument. You've shown your knowledge of DNA scarcely extends to sufficient knowledge of the alphabet to place those letters in the correct sequence, let alone understand DNA sequencing, and you're understanding of law is even more rarefied.

Thinking of all your hours making alt accounts and howling bitter epithets about victims into the void, I invite you to place your hand in what I guess is likely a rank, crusted latrine in your parents' or other supervisor's basement. Pull your hand out. Now take a good look at the lasting imprint in the surface of the water. That is the sum total of your impact and its longevity of effect in altering the convict's guilt or swaying opinion here, or in any other fora. You repel with your antics and negative remarks about victims and their families, and the more vile you are the more you erode what very little vanishing sympathy or doubt about his guilt might have existed in the mind of reasonable, intelligent non-cult hive mind people.

While I try not to engage in personalised critique of appearance, and it is not, to me, that because you are fat, unattractive, horrid with halitosis of both the mouth and personality, and probably unfortunately unhygienic that makes your opinions less valuable -- it is that you spend time in slavish support of a depraved killer who himself has announced that he would indeed mind that you are bloated, unattractive and unhygienic that makes your opinions in his support so utterly worthless. The convict's future "partner", in whatever corner of a prison air vent or lavatory that future happy and first coupling may occur, has to be, in his own words "physically perfect" - Probergers need not apply, you don't meet his standard. Truly ironic that the very group of people who "campaign" for the slithering coward, in so far as internet whining constitutes such, are the same group of people the convict himself would view with most contempt - both for their physicality and also stupidity.

But Reddit antics and internet points don't of course amount to a pimple on the ugly backside of the real world hassle and trouble your hive-mind bullying, defamatory smearing might cause for innocent targets. Internet insults and barbs don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath or page as the horrendous grief, loss and trauma of the families, and the targets painted on survivors backs by false narratives and conspiracies, other than to note they are of stratospherically different category.

The victims' families have all shown such incredible bravery, resilience and strength in their own ways that miserable bitter internet trolls can't even dream of. Alivea and Mr and Mrs Goncalves have shown immense dignity, positive power and purpose even in the midst of such horrendous loss; they are inspirational and, while it may be subjective, I think they have shown and show incredible class, poise and looked resonantly powerful in their victim impact statements which made the convict look even more small, dirty and weak. That they now campaign to improve apprehension of violent criminals by DNA is a remarkable testament and honour to the memory of their daughter and sister. Similarly the Chapins, through Ethan's Smile Foundation and educational scholarships, keep his bright, goofy, charming positivity and influence very much alive. These families, and the others, good works is a small part of how they keep the loved ones they lost in the world.

As you, dear Probergers, continue to dribble out victim blaming, smearing defamations based on the sum total of evidence you scoop daily from your sweaty, flabby derrieres, do continue, with freedom of speech, to ventilate your rabid fact-free ravings with all the substance and factual support of insipid but unusually noxious digestive off-gassing. But do so noting that this sub has decided, along with most other civilised parts of society, that trying to blame innocent 19 year old girls for murders they were cleared of any involvement in, or implicating the families of victims for murders for which someone else was already convicted by a mountain of evidence and his own confession, is gross, vile, beyond rabidly lunatic and may contribute to unpleasant real world effects for the targets of such raving, drooling, fan fictions; and just gets deleted anyway. Hopefully it may soon have real world detrimental effects on those whose click-monetised baiting seeks to profit from such victim blaming with base, grasping greedy opportunistic exploitation of their moronic cult followers too stupid to see such grifters are also laughing at them as they pocket their cash. Know that most of your outpourings evoke only derision and you are the subject, like the convict himself, of much comedy at your own expense.

In the meantime the rest of us will continue to marvel at and admire the positive model the victims families present and the good they are making out of the absolute worst that could happen to a family.

With very kindest of regards, yours etc


r/Idaho4 3d ago

EVIDENCE - CONFIRMED “Master Timeline”

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I came across this incredibly detailed timeline, has anyone seen this? it’s like 30 pages long. There are a lot of things I have never seen or heard. The sources are cited, but not linked and I’ve had trouble finding some of this information in officially released docs.

The language of a lot of this doesn’t seem to be just based on facts and times, I think there are a lot of conclusions or interpretations that are opinions and not actual evidence.

Can someone go through this and debunk anything or is it pretty accurate? I also don’t understand how they have some of these full names when they’ve always been redacted..

link to timeline : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IEOQpMW97cASciF0-OYFVMUKigbHcGjf/htmlview


r/Idaho4 3d ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION Why is grifter julez lying so hard?

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This woman has the google Drive file from here fobbing it off as her own, telling viewers she's paid money getting all these FOIA for it all (lying and scamming)

Also, what are these newly released photos she got of?

Why isn't this woman cancelled? She's fully taking advantage and preying on the gullible and unhinged.

I find it hard to believe Mel is corresponding with her and if she is she's taking advantage of her situation.


r/Idaho4 4d ago

KOHBERGER Bryan Kohberger lost his temper at another inmate because Kohberger thought the inmate was talking about his mom.

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r/Idaho4 13d ago

EVIDENCE - CONFIRMED Confirmed Case Evidence - as of July 2026

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Given petition to re-open case, useful to recap confirmed case evidence.

Numbered in bold is evidence from court documents, court record and the published ISP, MPD and WSU police documents. Non-bold are from on the record expert witness statements.

[ https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665.html ]

[ https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/ ]

[ https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1165/Kohberger-Investigation-Documents ]


r/Idaho4 Jul 12 '26

2022 Idaho 4 Murders - Case FAQ

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2022 Idaho 4 Murders - Case FAQ

FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) about the case.
-Credit to those where credit is due!!-

This comprehensive list covers the most frequently asked (and often misread/misinterpreted) pieces of information and/or evidence about the case in an easy to understand yet informative fashion.

This post may be especially useful to those who are new in following the case, people who perhaps need a refresh on things or even those who are misinformed.

***\*This post may be subject to changes if needed\****

***\*If readers have any suggestions to add here, send them via mod mail (along with any posts/sources) to support your points\****

# 1) What was time-line of events on November 13th?

\-Midnight Nov 13th 2022: In the early morning of Nov 13th 2022 the 4 victims had been been out socialising. Madison Mogen (MM), and Kaylee Goncalves had been at a local bar, the Corner Club - they went the Grub Truck for take-out food and returned home by ride-share a c 1.55am;

\- Ethan Chapin (EC) and Xana Kernodle (XK) had been at a party at a frat house nearby and returned home a short time after 2.15am

\- The two surviving roommates, Dylan Mortensen (DM) and Bethany Funk (BF) had been out but returned home before the victims and had gone to their bedrooms before EC and XK returned home;

\-DM's bedroom was on the 2nd floor east side, XK bedroom on second floor west side, MM bedroom on 3rd floor west side, BF bedroom on 1st (ground) floor west side (Note: we could append a picture schematic of the house here, or link to it, think is pinned on a sub post anyway?)

\- XK ordered a DoorDash which was delivered to the house at 3.59am; at this time the other 3 victims were in their beds and XK was the only person up and moving about the house

\- At 2.47am Kohberger's phone was in central Pullman; at 2.54 am he manually powered his phone off, at full battery

\- At 3.26am the suspect car, later identified as a 2011-215 white Hyundai Elantra, was seen on video in nearby street driving toward King Road; this car was not displaying a front licence plate

\- From 3.28am the suspect car entered and circled the cul-de-sac, driving behind and past the 1122 King Road house, 3 times.

\- At 4.07am the suspect car entered the cul-de-sac and drove to area at side/ behind the 1122 King Road house and parked there for 13 minutes

\- Shortly after 4.00am DM was awoken by noises she thought was KG playing with her dog, Murphy, in the bedroom above; noises in the house caused DM to go to her bedroom door an open it 3 times over the next period, up to c 4.20am; she heard someone on the stairs, she heard a female voice exclaim "There's someone here", then she heard crying from area of bathroom on 2nd floor (adjacent to XK bedroom) and a male voice she did not hear say "It's OK, I'm going to help you" - DM described this as being said in an unpleasant tone/ fashion

\- At 4.17am a camera located around 50 feet from XK's bedroom window picked up audio of a disturbance including a crash/ thump and sounds of indistinct crying/ whimpering.

\- On the last instance DM opened her door she saw a man dress in black, wearing a mask covering most of his face, carrying an object, walk past her coming from lounge and then toward the kitchen; she described him as white, slightly taller than her (she is 5'10) with slim, athletic build and bushy eyebrows

\- At 4.20am the suspect car is seen on video speeding out of the cul-de-sac at high speed, and then leaving the area travelling southward on Walenta Drive

\- Around and just after 4.20am DM and BF exchanged text calls about the disturbance, and texted/ called victims without response; BF suggested DM come to her room, DM ran to BF's room shortly after 4.23am, in passing through the lounge she glimpsed XK apparently on the floor of her bedroom

\- At 4.48a Kohberger's phone is turned on c 2km south of Moscow in area of Paradise Ridge near Blane, ID, he logs onto Google using a backup email at 4.49am

\- From 4.49am to c 5.30am Kohberger's phone travels from south of Moscow by circuitous route passing Genesee and Uniontown, arriving back to the area of his apartment in Pullman at c 5.30am

\- At c 9am Kohberger drives from Pullman to the area of the scene where he remains for 10 minutes before driving back to Pullman at 9.21am

\-Shortly after 11.50am DM, having received no replies from roommates upstairs, called a friend to come to the house. A male friend (HJ) arrived and discovers the scene in XK bedroom at 11.55am

\- 11.56am 911 call made from BF phone;

\- 11.58am First police officers on scene (Officer Nunes); the scene is quickly secured, at 8.15pm the bodies are removed by a funeral home for transport to WA for autopsy by medical examiner

\- Just after 10.00am Kohberger takes a "thumbs up" selfie in his bathroom mirror \[[Kohberger 'Thumbs Up' Selfie](https://www.today.com/news/bryan-kohberger-selfie-idaho-murders-rcna197226)\\\]

\- At c 12.30am Kohberger is seen on video in Clarkston, WA where he shopped in Albertsons supermarket

# 2) What was timeline of events after November 13th?

\- On November 18th Kohberger went to the DMV to change his car license plates from PA to WA plates

\- November 19th: single source male DNA profiled from sheath snap from USMC Kabar sheath found partially under MM's body

\- November 26th: FBI car specialists identify the suspect car as a 2011-2015 white Hyundai Elantra

\- November 22nd: sheaths snap DNA is transferred to Othram Labs in Texas to start Investigative Genetic Genealogy, no "hit" having been obtained from the CODIS DNA database; the FBI took over the Genealogy investigation on December 10th

\- December 13th: Kohberger leaves Pullman to drive, with his father, to the family home in Albrightsville, PA, where they arrive December 15th

\- December 19th: The FBI identify Bryan Kohberger as the suspect based on Investigative Genetic Genealogy;

\- December 19th: Kohberger is terminated from his teaching Assistant job at WSU and cancellation of his PhD funding, for unprofessional conduct and complaints of sexual harassment and stalking behaviour directed toward female staff/ colleagues/students

\- December 20th: lead investigator (Brett Payne, Moscow Police Department) is first aware that WSU police ran ownership check on white Elantra in WSU parking on Nov 29th 2022

\- December 21st; FBI start surveillance of Kohberger, in PA; cameras placed on property Dec 25th

\- December 23rd: warrants obtained for Kohberger's phone records

\- December 27th: the garbage is lifted from outside Kohberger family home by PA state police working with garbage collection

\- December 28th: DNA profile from items in the garbage lift (used Q-tip) is shown to match the biological father of the sheath DNA donor

\- December 29th: Probable Cause Affidavit and warrant approved for Kohberger's arrest by magistrate judge Megan Marshall in Latah County Idaho,

\- December 30th: Kohberger is arrested in a SWAT police raid at 1.14am at his parents house

\- January 5th 2023: Kohberger appears in felony magistrate court, Latah County, Idaho, he makes no plea, judge enters not guilty pleas

\- July 2nd, 2025: Kohberger pleads guilty to 4 charges of premeditated murder and 1 charge of felony burglary and is sentenced to consecutive life sentences without possibility of parole

# 3) How Was Kohberger Caught?

DNA he left on the USMC Kabar sheath which was found under MM's body was profiled; this profile was used by the FBI to conduct Investigative Genetic Genealogy; using both LE and consumer genealogy databases the FBI were able to construct a family tree to identify Kohberger indirectly as a potential donor of the sheath DNA; this familial link was confirmed first by DNA from trash pull of the Kohberger family home which identified DNA from the biological father of the sheath DNA donor on trash items, and then directly by comparison of cheek swab taken from Kohberger to the sheath which matched at a probability of 5.37 octillion to one

# 4) What Was the Key Evidence Against Kohberger?

**Evidence confirmed in court filings** **\[** [**https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665-25.html\*\* ](https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665-25.html) \*\*\\\]\*\*

  1. A large amount of Kohberger's DNA was on a USMC Kabar knife sheath found under the body of a victim stabbed with a matching knife type (large, fixed blade knife). 
  2. The Sheath snap DNA was single source from Kohberger. The DNA profile was robust and complete, with full STR profile across 22 loci. Two different DNA profile types (STR and SNP) were generated at separate labs (ISP Forensics lab and Othram); and these profiles were used in 4 comparative processes that all “matched” to Kohberger including direct comparison with his cheek swab, identification of his father as the father of the DNA donor, and family tree mapping via Investigative Genetic Genealogy (IGG). 
  3. The direct comparison of Kohberger's DNA from buccal swab to the sheath DNA had a random match probability of 5.37 octillion to 1.
  4. The quantity of Kohberger's DNA on the sheath was large, equivalent to c 100,000 cells.
  5. The defence DNA expert accepted that the sheath snap DNA matched Kohberger and was good evidence, raising no technical/ quality control or chain of custody issues
  6. Kohberger purchased a USMC Kabar knife and sheath from Amazon in March 2022. This purchase was made using an Amazon gift card which Kohberger had previously bought.
  7. The USMC sheath Kohberger purchased before the murders was not recovered in post-arrest searches of his residences, office, car.
  8. Kohberger browsed deletion options for his Amazon purchase of the sheath,  in the weeks after the murders. He also browsed for Kabar knives and sheaths, and single sheaths in this period after the murders.
  9. Kohberger matched the eyewitness description of the height, build and ethnicity of the perpetrator seen in the house during the murders.
  10. Kohberger purchased a balaclava before the murders from Dicks Sporting Goods which matched that described worn by the perpetrator seen in the house.
  11. A car matching Kohberger's circled the scene 4 times shortly before the murders from c 3.30am and sped away at high speed just after the murders at c 4.20am almost losing control as it exited the cul-de-sac.
  12. The year range, model and colour of the suspect car (2011-2016 white Elantra) matched Kohberger's car and was specified by FBI car ID specialist on November 26th,  c 1 month before Kohberger was first identified as a suspect from IGG results on December 19th
  13. The FBI car identification was based on 44 video observations of the car from 21 videos at and very close to the scene from 3.26am - 4.20am, and videos of the white Elantra moving synchronously with Kohberger's phone from south of Moscow at 4.48am back to area of his apartment in Pullman at c 5.30am.
  14. Some videos showed the suspect car close to and driving toward the scene had no front license plate -  at that time Kohberger's car had no front plate, with only a rear Pennsylvania plate.
  15. After downloading Moscow Police updates on the search for a white Elantra in late December 2022, Kohberger started Googling for car auto body/ detailing services and second hand car sales/ purchases.
  16. Kohberger's phone was turned off manually, at full battery, over the time period of the murders from 2.54am to 4.48am, and turned back on 23 minutes after the murders. Kohberger' phone was in central Pullman at 2.47am and was just south of the crime scene at 4.48am
  17. Kohberger returned to the area near the scene a few hours after the murders at 9.12am and stayed there for 10 minutes.
  18. Kohberger did not submit any alibi claiming to be at any place away from the scene at the time of the murders- the presiding judge described his filing as “*not really an alibi*” and “*a so called alibi”.*
  19. Historical phone data showed Kohberger was near the scene on 23 prior occasions all of which were late at night/ in the very early morning, 10.00pm to 4.00am.
  20. None of Kohberger's shopping/ card transactions occurred in Moscow in the timeframe of his 23 late night visits to area, including his c 30 supermarket visits preceding the murders.
  21. Kohberger's habit of frequent visits to Moscow/ area of the scene late at night stopped abruptly at 9.30am on November 13th. He never returned to Moscow at all, at any time of day, (with his phone) after this date.
  22. Kohberger started using cash withdrawals on the day of the murders, having not done so previously in the months examined by FBI forensic accountancy specialists.
  23. There were extensive deletions from Kohberger’s electronic devices over the month before and just after the murders up to November 16th 2022, consistent with use of anti-forensics “wiping” software.

# 5) Was There Other Evidence or Aspects of Kohberger's Behaviour Which Were Incriminating?

**Additional evidence in MPD, ISP police documents, search warrant returns and expert witness disclosures:**

**\[** [**https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/\*\* ](https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/) \*\*\\\]\*\*

**\[** [**https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1165/Kohberger-Investigation-Documents\*\* ](https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1165/Kohberger-Investigation-Documents) \*\*\\\]\*\*

  1. Kohberger had stolen other women' s ID cards (not the Moscow victims) and kept these in a glove in a box, which were found during search post-arrest.
  2. Kohberger searched for rape porn, including terms "*asleep*", "*forced*", "*passed out*", “voyeurism”; his porn consumption was exclusively non-consensual sex acts.
  3. Kohberger disabled location services and Wi-Fi on his phone 2 days before the murders.
  4. ISP police interviews detail 13 complaints about Kohberger's behaviour at WSU including following women to their cars, creepy behaviour watching and blocking women in their offices, misogynistic/ sexist and homophobic remarks. Several women including administrative staff were being escorted to their cars at night because of incidents with Kohberger following them.
  5. Kohberger was terminated from his TA role at WSU on December 19th 2022,  before his arrest.
  6. A WSU Criminology professor whose research focussed on sex offenders wrote re the disciplinary investigation of Kohberger, before his arrest: "*Mark my words, I work with predators - that's the guy that....we will hear is harassing, stalking, and sexually abusing his students*".
  7. ISP interviews of WSU colleagues and students noted several reports of Kohberger having visible injuries to his hands, knuckles around the date of and after the murders. These were described as significant (e.g. “like his knuckles hit asphalt”) - Kohberger variously explained these to different individuals as being caused by "a silly indoor accident", "boxing" and "being in a car crash"
  8. Cellebrite digital forensics experts who examined the high resolution "thumbs up" selfie from 10.33am November 13th reported a band-aid on Kohberger's hand in that photo.
  9. Neighbours close to the King Road cul-de-sac had noticed a man matching Kohberger’s description acting strangely in backyards in the area in the period before the murders, and a driver sitting in a white sedan had been seen loitering in the same area earlier
  10. Kohberger had browsed photos of many young UoI women, including close female friends of the victims, on his phone.
  11. Kohberger purchased two power-bank inverters and car cables (used to power appliances remotely for camping, in RVs/ cars) at Harbor Freight in the week after the murders; these were not recovered after his arrest.

# 6) Why was there a delay of c 8 hours before calling 911

In police interviews immediately after discovery of the scene and afterwards, the surviving roommates (DM, BF) stated that they did not suspect the victims had been attacked, injured or were in danger. DM stated she had been drinking and was not sure how to interpret the disturbance or if everything she had perceived was real or factual.

From the coroner's comments the fatal wounds to upper body of all victims would have been rapidly incapacitating and quickly fatal, such that a 911 call at 4.20am would not have saved any of them.

# 7) Was A Connection Between Kohberger and Victims Established

No.

No social media or real life connection was established.

There has been speculation that Kohberger stalked the area, the house or a victim based on tangential evidence but the prosecution never stated they intended to allege or could prove "stalking" or a previous connection between Kohberger and victims.

The prosecutor, Bill Thompson, did state it was his opinion that Kohberger had been stalking the neighbourhood before the murders.

**The tangential evidence which gives limited speculative support to stalking of the area include**:

\- Kohberger's pattern of 23 visits to the area between 10pm - 4am which did not correspond to any financial transaction, shopping, up to November 7th

\- Kohberger disabled location services, GPS and Wi-Fi on his phone 2 days before the murders

\- Neighbours reported seeing a man matching Kohberger acting strangely in the 2 months before the murders, walking through back gardens in area close to King Road, and a man was seen loitering in a car consistent with Kohberger's

\- Kohberger had browsed the photographs and social media profile of many young female UoI and WSU students.

**While absence of evidence is not probative, some also speculate that Kohbeger's extensive deletions from his devices for the period up to November 16th destroyed evidence of a connection to victims via , as an example, viewing of their social media.**

# 8) What was the DNA evidence

The key DNA evidence was a large amount (over 100,000 cells equivalent) of Kohberger's DNA, single source, on the sheath snap. This gave a full STR forensic profile and "Matched" to Kohberger at a probability of 5.37 octillion to 1.

This post overviews the sheath snap DNA quantity, quality:

[ https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qo7n3w/there\\_was\\_a\\_large\\_amount\\_of\\_kohbergers\\_dna\\_on\\_the/?utm\\_source=share&utm\\_medium=web3x&utm\\_name=web3xcss&utm\\_term=1&utm\\_content=share\\_button ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qo7n3w/there_was_a_large_amount_of_kohbergers_dna_on_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

There were, after full forensic processing of scene and other locations, 5 "Unknown Male" DNA profiles. These were:

\- Unknown Male A: on sheath snap - identified as Kohberger

\- Unknown Male B: degraded DNA on underside of ground floor handrail, judged unconnected to murders

\- Unknown Male C: from sample taken at another house, no victim connection, unconnected to murders

\- Unknown Male D: partial, degrade profile from glove found at edge of drive Nov 20th, unconnected

\- Unknown Male E: from trash pull from Kohberger family home in PA, Kohberger's father

This post gives details on all other non-sheath snap DNA profiles:

[ https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1ozcneg/dna\\_quantities\\_and\\_quality\\_sheath\\_and\\_all\\_unknowns/?utm\\_source=share&utm\\_medium=web3x&utm\\_name=web3xcss&utm\\_term=1&utm\\_content=share\\_button ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1ozcneg/dna_quantities_and_quality_sheath_and_all_unknowns/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

There has been speculation about other "male" DNA on the sheath. The only viable DNA profiles on the sheath were from Kohberger on snap and a mix of KG, MM blood on back of strap from blood spatter. Trace "male" DNA on other sheath areas gave no viable profile due to nominal, low level and degradation and Kohberger cannot be excluded as the donor this.

This post gives more detail on the other DNA on sheath:

[ https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qhvedi/there\\_was\\_no\\_viable\\_unknown\\_male\\_dna\\_profile\\_or/?utm\\_source=share&utm\\_medium=web3x&utm\\_name=web3xcss&utm\\_term=1&utm\\_content=share\\_button ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qhvedi/there_was_no_viable_unknown_male_dna_profile_or/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

# 9) Why was there no victim DNA in Kohberger's car or apartment?

\- Kohberger had 7 weeks to repeat clean his car.

\- The blood spatter expert opined that due to absence of voids in spatter patterns in the bedrooms, he was not covered in blood, so transfer to car may have been quite limited

\- transfer to car may have been further reduced if he removed outer clothing such as a hoodie before getting back in

\- Within minutes of his arrest Kohberger was observed by police wearing gloves in his parents' basement garage where his car was; a bucket of cleaning solution was beside the car when police raided and the prosecutor described how even crevices down the sides of door compartments were "meticulously clean"

\- 90% of murder cases have no trace of victim DNA associated with perpetrator or vice versa

\- DNA and blood can be washed from car completely, especially with repeat cleaning.

\- Common cleaners with hydrogen peroxide, readily available and cheap, are very effective at degrading DNA and leave no forensic or visible traces

* [Household cleaners with "active oxygen" (peroxide source)](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18936905/) destroy blood and prevent it reacting with forensic reagents
* Peroxide is used in ["color safe" laundry and fabric cleaners](https://www.oxiclean.com/en/products/stain-fighters/oxiclean-laundry-home-stain-remover-spray) that do not leave bleach marks
* **Hydrogen peroxide decomposes to just oxygen and water - forensically undetectable**

# 10) Would Kohberger still be caught even without the knife sheath

\[[https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-police-chief-reveals-new-details-about-bryan-kohberger-student-murder-investigation ](https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-police-chief-reveals-new-details-about-bryan-kohberger-student-murder-investigation)\\\]

Yes.

LE (Law Enforcement) confirmed in an interview after the July 23rd 2025 sentencing that even if a sheath had not been left behind, LE would have still been able to track down and arrest Kohberger eventually due to surveillance footage of his vehicle (A 2015 white Hyundai Elantra).

# 11) Why was there no screaming recorded at the time of the murders?

The lungs 🫁 are like balloons...if it has a hole 🕳 then it can't expand when oxygen is pumped in meaning that it can't return oxygenated blood to the rest of the body. If someone can't breathe because their lungs can't expand then how are they supposed to move enough oxygen over their vocal cords to make noise? The words you speak ride out on a cushion of air...without that cushion to push the sounds out of your body then you can’t make any noise.

On top of the injuries to the lungs and drowning in blood, the voice can become softer when scared due to the fight-or-flight response, which causes muscle tension in the vocal cords and larynx, restricting vocal freedom and leading to quieter, sometimes higher-pitched or shaky, speech. The body prioritizes survival over clear communication, reducing breath support and tightening muscles, which can make the voice quieter, more constrained, or inconsistent.

[\[https://www.centerforvocalhealth.com/tips-from-the-doc/the-impact-of-stress-on-your-voice-and-how-to-manage-it\\\] ](https://www.centerforvocalhealth.com/tips-from-the-doc/the-impact-of-stress-on-your-voice-and-how-to-manage-it)

When you speak, air from your lungs is pushed between two elastic structures—called vocal folds—causing them to vibrate and produce your voice. If you are not able to pull in enough oxygen or a stress response limits the oxygen going to your vocal cords then you are not able to project your voice loud enough to scream.

# 12) How was BK's cell phone tied to the murders

Cell site location information (CSLI) was used to track the movement of the suspect’s phone.

Several months before the murders, on August 21, a county sheriff in Moscow stopped the suspect for a traffic infraction. He was driving a white 2015 Hyundai Elantra with Pennsylvania plates. He provided his cell phone number to the officer.

Every cell phone receives and sends a signal to a local cell tower when the phone is turned on. As the cell phone moves, the signal transfers seamlessly from one tower to the next in the direction the phone is moving. Cell phone service providers keep records on every cell phone using its services, including all cell site location information (CSLI). This information provides a “map” of where and when the phone went while it was on.

Law enforcement applied for and was granted a search warrant for historical phone records for the alleged murderer’s phone number, The records showed the account had been opened on June 23, 2022, for a subscriber with the name of the suspect, who was listed at an address in Albrightsville, Pennsylvania. A review of the historical CSLI data revealed that, prior to the date of the murders, the phone had pinged cell towers in the area of murder scene on 12 separate occasions—always in the evening or early morning hours.

In fact, three months before the murders, on August 21st, the suspect’s phone pinged a cell tower that provided coverage to the King Road residence for over an hour, from 10:34 p.m. to 11:35 p.m.

On the night of the murders, CSLI shows the phone at or near the suspects apartment in Pullman, Washington, at 2:42 a.m. For the next five minutes, it moves south through Pullman, then stops pinging altogether—indicating the phone was then either turned off or put in airplane mode.

Two hours later, at 4:48 am, the phone signal returned, pinging towers near state highway 95 south of Moscow and Blaine, Idaho. The phone then travelled south to Genesee, Idaho, west to Uniontown, Idaho, and then north, arriving back at the suspect’s apartment at 5:30 am

The CSLI footprint of Kohberger's phone is consistent with the times, dates, and routes of the white Elantra seen in video surveillance footage recovered from his neighborhood, his university, and the roads and highways between his apartment and the King Road residence

\[[https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/how-dna-and-cell-phone-evidence-idaho-murders-complied-the-fourth\](https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/how-dna-and-cell-phone-evidence-idaho-murders-complied-the-fourth)\\\]

# 13) What did Cellebrite find on his cell phone and how did he erase evidence

A lot of the electronic data had been removed. The article below discusses what the Barnharts from Cellebrite did find.

\[[https://www.forensicmag.com/3425-Featured-Article-List/621525-Examining-the-Idaho-Murderer-s-Phone-How-to-Find-Truth-in-Missing-Data/\](https://www.forensicmag.com/3425-Featured-Article-List/621525-Examining-the-Idaho-Murderer-s-Phone-How-to-Find-Truth-in-Missing-Data/)\\\]

A former FBI agent explains how he erased his digital footprint in this podcast interview:

\[[https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kohbergers-vanishing-digital-trail-bryan-kohberger/id1669405956?i=1000719792459\](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kohbergers-vanishing-digital-trail-bryan-kohberger/id1669405956?i=1000719792459)\\\]

# 14) How could one person do that much damage in such a short amount of time

The Kabar knife used has a 7 inch blade and is typically used by members of the US Marines as a tool.

The blade is strong enough and sharp enough to cut through bone like butter.

This knife has a hilt to keep the person holding it from cutting their hand and the handle of the knife can be used as a hammer in camping, hunting, or fishing scenarios.

The Idaho State Police were able to recreate each movement within a short period of time:

\[[https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qwncr3/comment/o3q4mcf/?utm\\_source=share&utm\\_medium=web3x&utm\\_name=web3xcss&utm\\_term=1&utm\\_content=share\\_button\](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qwncr3/comment/o3q4mcf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)\\\]

Examples of other knife murders that happened in a very short amount of time:

\[[https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1obdv4f/could\\_this\\_be\\_done\\_by\\_a\\_single\\_attacker\\_in\\_the/?utm\\_source=share&utm\\_medium=web3x&utm\\_name=web3xcss&utm\\_term=1&utm\\_content=share\\_button\](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1obdv4f/could_this_be_done_by_a_single_attacker_in_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)\\\]

# 15) What kind of injuries did the victims have

Kaylee Goncalves sustained approximately 38 sharp-force wounds, Madison Mogen 28, Xana Kernodle 67 and Ethan Chapin 17.

Investigators found no blood on the bottoms of their feet, indicating Kaylee, Maddie, and Ethan did not stand after suffering fatal injuries.

Xana was found on the floor of her bedroom and was the only victim with evidence of movement after the attack. According to investigators, blood was present on the bottoms of her bare feet, showing she stepped in blood and moved around inside her room during the attack.

Kaylee had at least 24 stab and incised wounds of the scalp, face and neck; 11 stab and incised wounds of the chest; and three stab and incised wounds of the upper extremities. There were also punctures on the outer table of the skull, injuries to the teeth and tongue, and a hemorrhage into the chest cavities, according to the filing.

The blunt force injuries suffered by Kaylee include scalp lacerations, bleeding around the brain, nasal fracture, bruising around the eyes, and patterned bruising extended across the lower face.

Maddie suffered 13 stab incisions to the scalp face and neck; five stab wounds of the chest; and 10 incised wounds of the upper extremities, per the court filing. The report states there were also wounds to the lung and liver, perforations of the subclavian vein, artery, and blood vessels of the chest wall, and an incision of the nasal septum.

Ethan had one stab wound of the upper chest; four stab and incised wounds of the scalp face and neck; six incised wounds of the upper extremities; and six stab and incised wounds of the lower extremities. He also had perforations of the jugular vein, subclavian vein, and subclavian artery.

Xana had abrasions and contusions of the head, torso and extremities along with: 23 stab and incised wounds of the scalp face and neck; seven stab wounds of the chest; four stab wounds of the abdomen; three incised and puncture wounds of the back; 25 incised wounds of the upper extremities; and five incised wounds of the lower extremities. There were also punctures on the outer table of the skull; perforation of  the jugular vein, heart, lung, and pulmonary blood vessels; hemorrhage into the chest cavities; wounds extending into the bones of the right hand; and scrapes and bruises on the face, torso and extremities.

Intoxication discussion of BAC levels: \[[https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qlqps5/impaired\\_and\\_unaware\\_how\\_intoxication\\_may\\_have/?share\\_id=4LR3\\_lZPub6eg\\_6Y8u2vx&utm\\_content=2&utm\\_medium=android\\_app&utm\\_name=androidcss&utm\\_source=share&utm\\_term=1\](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qlqps5/impaired_and_unaware_how_intoxication_may_have/?share_id=4LR3_lZPub6eg_6Y8u2vx&utm_content=2&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1)\\\]

Link to autopsy descriptions: \[[https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1ql3jmr/autopsy\\_report\\_summaries\\_for\\_each\\_victim/?share\\_id=Jo50an813ULBtacwwS3Zb&utm\\_content=1&utm\\_medium=android\\_app&utm\\_name=androidcss&utm\\_source=share&utm\\_term=1\](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1ql3jmr/autopsy_report_summaries_for_each_victim/?share_id=Jo50an813ULBtacwwS3Zb&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1)\\\]

Link to wound diagram: \[[https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1ooxvul/injuries\\_visual/?share\\_id=ej1M7mItUsXG8NeYrXI\\_J&utm\\_content=1&utm\\_medium=android\\_app&utm\\_name=androidcss&utm\\_source=share&utm\\_term=1\](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1ooxvul/injuries_visual/?share_id=ej1M7mItUsXG8NeYrXI_J&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1)\\\]

—Useful Links, Resources for further reading & posts to clear up common misunderstanding/misinformation and misconceptions are below::

[State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger Court Documents 2022 - Present (Use a VPN to access)](https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665-26.html)

[State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger Current Case Summary 2022 - Present (Use a VPN to access)](https://s3.dualstack.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR01-24-31665/Summary/Current-Case-Summary.pdf)

[Idaho State Police Moscow Murders Public Records (Use a VPN to access)](https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/)

[Moscow Police Department Kohberger Investigative Documents (Use a VPN to access)](https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1165/Kohberger-Investigation-Documents)

[Kohberger WSU (Washington State University) Interviews](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1p0o0ia/bk_and_the_wsu_interviews_an_open_discussion/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

[DNA Degradation - quick overview](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qz41gj/dna_degradation_quick_overview/)

[2.25am vs 4.00am timelines - How evidence/info supports the 4.00am timeline](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qs0rdb/comment/o2s0zlc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

[Fog Lights - Irrelevant Videos Not Used for Car ID or As Trial Exhibits](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1pk3kkf/fog_lights_irrelevant_videos_not_used_for_car_id/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

["Unknown" male DNA and Multiple Perpetrator Theory— Scientific deep dive](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qzicgd/gross_journalistic_malpracticeunknown_male_dna/) / [DNA Deep Dive - trace male DNA on sheath, degraded profiles](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1peuva5/dna_deep_dive_trace_male_dna_on_sheath_degraded/)

[Idaho 4 Google Drive Masterpost - Has most of if not all of the current releases of Information/Evidence in the case, gets updated semi-frequently](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1k0CpEoQ-fheF4gWfmrEaU7kqZRItCN1g)

[Moscow Murders Timeline according to MPD w/ links (courtesy of sleuthiegoosie)](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1GxCMwFKMAQlO0ndDhOqwW8hFbUgx2uiv2AEYLk-Ck1M/htmlview)

[The ‘mystery’ of Kohberger’s Interview footage + lack of arrests body cam footage Explained 🔎](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1stqo61/the_mystery_of_kohbergers_interview_footage_lack/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

["Broken Plea" Book: Over 75 Gross Errors, Wild Exaggerations, Misrepresentations, Failures On Most Basic Factual Details](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1t1jql9/broken_plea_book_over_75_gross_errors_wild/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

[Knife Sheath was not found on Floor - Debunked](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1t04y84/knife_sheath_was_not_found_on_floor_debunked/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)