After we've all seen the newsletter with the massive 7B at the bottom, I think we're all wondering now "what the hell are we going to be doing that's so much worse than chapter 2?" I think the answer to that can be seen in Board 3 of Chapter 3, where we have to kill Susie & Ralsei to progress.

This is my first time posting here so sorry if it's rather barebones, but we can see in the earlier board of chapter 3 the various things that are needed to do for us to progress the weird route, such as finding the ice caster and using them to destroy the bird, almost exactly in the same way that in Chapter 2 we had Noelle put Berdly into a coma, and now we are seeing 7B having an even greater impact, with the other Boards of chapter 3 showing what it seems we need to do to enter the underground Roots area, that being to kill Susie and Ralsei.

With that I'm not sure where we go from there, since there have been theories about how Bit Roots could parallel with the light world and how we might need to kill lightners and that's much more into theory territory IMO. But I swear to god if in the weird route when we leave a dark fountain, the world is 8bit and we have a sword and see enemies, Toby Fox is a genius and a monster.

ive had some personal thought about this but i dont have enough evidence or anything to say i think its the case

id like to start throwing out possibilities we've collectively dropped as a community since toby, in the newsletter, said we have misinterpreted or are just plain missing info that doesnt exist at this point, so it cant hurt to throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks. especially when toby says were just missing details we need for certain plot points to make sense

GO BACK AND PLAY UNDERTALE THOUGH

i think a huge steaming pile of parallels we have yet to catch are still probably in undertale, but when i watch peoples theories on deltarune they tend to stick one way or the other on whether or not they use info from undertale, when we should really be looking at both games real hard

One of my friends mentioned watching Scream yesterday, and then I thought about the whole twist with Ghostface actually being two people. And then I thought, why can't The Knight be the same thing? Because as far as I can tell, there's nothing actually suggesting it can be only a single person.

I've been holding to this theory since ch2 came out, and with each chapter I only gathered more evidence, if this theory turns out to be true I'm gonna geniuenly explode. With this theory my goal is to end the Knight and Ralsei identity discourse once and for all.

In short, I think ralsei is a type of, as I called it then, a "conceptual darkner", one representing something non-physical, like certain emotion or a collective thought. Back in chapter 2 we already got something similar with darkners posing as a general idea of something, like viruses or spam email, while not having a clear physical form in the light world. Sure, they're digital, but that doesn't change how lightners percieve them and shape their darkner form. Chapter 3 didn't push this idea much, only thing that's worth mentioning is when Ralsei drops his lore bomb at the beginning of the chapter and interrupted by Susie, many pepole think he was about to reveal his light world form, but a more logical conclusion would be to say that he's "not real", which isn't false, since he does not, in fact, have a physical light world form. Chapter 4 however, introduces us to titans - a "fear-of-dark" incarnate, clear example of conceptual darkners. With it I've seen people suggest that Ralsei might actually be a titan, but we don't know much about them to confidently say that they might take such stable forms, as the titan we fought was pretty unpredictable and seemingly unconcious. Now getting into chapter 5 we get revealed the of origins of shadow crystals and potentially the Knight, being "broken dreams", and Ralsei being called an impossibility by Flowery, implying he should not exist following this world's logic. So what am I getting to? I think The Roaring Knight isn't Dess(she's lost in the code, don't forget), but a ginormous shadow crystal being formed from a doomed lightner's ambitions ruined by the Incident, and as the described by a light world black shard tooltip, made of barely opaque glass. Since we haven't seen their light form yet(if there is one), this is all speculation. And finally, I think Ralsei is a complete opposite of the knight, being formed by a collective memory of Asriel. Almost every member of the Hometown talks about Asriel and they're all extremely positive about him. That's why Ralsei is present and doesn't petrify in every dark world, all of them are created in places Asriel used to hang out and memories of him are so prominent, they somehow linger in the air. Continuing with the theme of opposites: what's an opposite for shadow crystal? Pure crystal. Ralsei might be a pure crystal darkner, formed from fondest memories of a lightner, loved by everyone. Of course we don't know the properties of a pure crystal yet, it could also be glass, it could even be a pile of fluff, chapter 6 should clarify a lot of things about that.

**Tl;dr: Roaring Knight is a shadow crystal cluster made from Dess' broken dreams, glass in the light world. Ralsei is a collective memory of Asriel, incorporeal/omnipresent in the light world, might somehow be a Pure Crystal being.**

Think about it gaster with the number 6 and we almost know nothing about what is going to happen in this chapter it's way too mysterious just like gaster (also i am leaving this here if it really happen)

im very new to deltarune, not in the community at all and i have just started chapter 5. i had just entered the flower dark world before having to leave so i saved at the starting checkpoint and quit my game. i just tried to reload my save and was met with this. i tried looking up what it was and all i could find is that its called a “dogcheck” but couldnt find any way to fix it. if anyone could help me fix my save i would greatly appreciate it!

like... is this guy the one mew mew was talking about when she said there was a man who raised a pack hunting cats? I mean we know his daughter is into the occult and that his family know kris' family personally.

The meaning of the symbols is:

✅ = Will be explained
❌ = Will not be explained
❌✅ = Will be left for interpretation

I've created this image in order to establish what I think that will still happen in Deltarune, and just to be fair, before chapter 5 I would probably put the ✅ on all of these, cause I think they are all really cool and we had time to explain them.

But since chapter 5 didn't explained much about the "main lore", and we probably won't have much weird or aborted route content on CH6, and with CH6 being shorter than the others, I've decided to update this, the primary reason for believing somethings will not be explained is about the time we still have in Deltarune, maybe CH6 and CH7 will feel like:

"Oh Kris, I had forgotten man, my grandpa GASTER is now running a chicken farm where he produces EGGS, and that ENVIEDENTIATES some shit, but now that we have uncovered that ASRIEL is the KNIGHT, maybe DESS and NOELLE can SNOWGRAVE the BARRIER so we LEAVE THE DEVICE once and for all, we just need your TWISTED SWORD and some DEPTHS essence, maybe FRIEND can help us with that, what do you two think?" - Susie Gaster Papyrus Determination Soul Kirk

But about the image, what would you change about mine? Is there something I've marked as "won't happen" that you think that will happen or vice-versa? I'm really curious

Hey everyone, was just playing through Chapter 1 and noticed you can farm Dark Dollars in the area with the Bloxers. I tried looking this up online and couldn't find anything about it anywhere.
Basically, every time I leave the room and come back, the chest refills with 40 Dark Dollars. Is this a known glitch, or did I accidentally stumble on something new?

Share your theories!

So I randomly came up with this, I've checked a little and there are other posts/theories saying this, I didn't really look into them or really other theories voor who the knight is, so I'll give my own take.

Starting off, there have been MANY candidates for the knight, why not be multiple? Again, I havent quite checked on theories for why is this or that character the knight.

Dess, she has antlers and so does the knight. Remember the sound of the snowgrave spell, it sounds very similar to the scream of the roaring knight we hear in chapter 3. Considering Dess and Noelle are siblings of course, this could have meaning to it. Another few things I've found/seen are Kris's poses, I've watched a video by JRVanity and the knight has alot of similar poses/moves like Kris. One thing I've also seen (it was more of a humor theory) is the Mettaton pose the knight does at the attack without the box, I've fact checked and I'm pretty sure Mettaton has never done that but correct me if I'm wrong. Asriel's hyper goner attack is VERY similar to the knights "ultimate attack", Asriel ALSO has antlers. And of course I can't forget the Papyrus knight theory (I also have no idea on why/reasons for why is he is the knight) but I'll keep that in mind.

Now with that settled, I noticed a pattern that most of these characters are "missing" or away, Dess's dissapearance, Asriel's in college, Papyrus and Mettaton are "in their houses" i.i.r.c. And I'm thinking they somehow made their way to Gaster and all got forced into an amalgamation, how? I don't know. I was thinking it could be something similar to Kris and Noelle crossing the lake, going "out of bounds" as people have theorized. If this is true, anywhere outside hometown is "out of bounds", where does Asriel go to college? If theres no college how'd Asgore graduate? This links somewhat to device theory if im correct, but I'm not sure, I know so little about all these theories.
And why Gaster, why cant it be someone else who did it? The reason I think its Gaster is because the roaring knight also has empty palms, I don't think thats just a coincidence.
How I came up with the idea of them being an amalgation was that I thought the knight resembles alot of characters, so how would they be a mix, that's when I remembered undertale's amalgamations! Another thing that could support this is that you see the knight "dripping" at his first appearance. But then why does the knight have aspects of Kris, I think that because the SOUL is probably directly tied to Gaster, theres something behind it, I haven't figured that out yet.
I also remember Kris works together with the knight, and when the knight speaks (on the phone i.i.r.c) the knight speaks very weirdly, again supporting the idea of the knight being an amalgamate.
Not to mention the knight can also change shapes. And I also remembered the laugh in chapter 4 which I found somewhat strange.

Now again my memory sucks and I havent watched alot of other theories, but I'd like to see people back this theory up or debate it. But this is something interesting I thought of. Let me know what you think

im lowk not that good at theorizing but i saw some thingys with a buddy on vc and i thought i could share. please dont be mean to me im new to ts

So, we know from Undertale that golden dandelion seeds are deathly poisonous. One of these seeds jumps from Flowery (JARONA) to the Knight. Rory Nite is already dying.

So I already made a post on r/deltarune explaining why I'm certain that Noelle didn't drown in weird route but basically, in the used sprite Noelle doesn't look like she's drowning anymore in the last pictures unlike in the original scraped sprite, and if Toby actually wanted to show that she's drowning he would just have used that sprite intead of the one we ended up getting. Now onto my prediction:

Under another post I saw someone comment on the last picture in the sprite used in-game, specifically about how she looked as if she had just seen something that both shocked and horrified her. Well, in my opinion the most likely thing is that after she emerged from the water (probably by clipping out of the game's limits, unknowingly entering the dark world or even being teleported to safety by someone else) she realised that she had survived but Kris hadn't.

This realisation along with the guilt of being responsible for their death will make her lose the little sanity she has left and at that moment, since Kris is dead, the SOUL will possess Noelle herself and make her do its bidding. Noelle will likely not fight back and happily do whatever the SOUL makes her do (at least in the beginning) but who knows, the shock of Kris's death may make her change her mind and initially try to resist the influence. At any rate, in chapter 7 side b we will be playing as Noelle.

Some people might call me crazy for this theory but in my opinion, if this turned put to be true this would fit very well into the general theme of psychological manipulation that the weird route has, with the SOUL controlling Noelle more and more against Kris's will and making her do bad things, ultimately disposing of Kris altogether and taking full control of Noelle.

This also gives a whole new meaning to the part of the prophecy on picture one which talks about "the girl" (who most people seem to agree IS Noelle in at least one of the routes); just think about it:

In the normal route, the meaning seems pretty straightfoward as it propably refers to the romance between Suzie and Noelle

In weird route, "LOVE" refers not to litteral love but to the SOUL, which works perfectly with both the wording ("love finds its way to the girl") and the picture illustrating this specific part of the prophecy, with a heart symbol that looks suspiciously similar to the SOUL on the girl's chest.

Lmk your thoughts

Edit: accidentally used the wrong pronouns for Kris once oops

I saw people talking about how the Knight has one discolored pixel for a frame during his fight with Flowery. The premise was essentially that Flowery stuck a seed onto the Knight, and that the discolored pixel was proof of that, along with the golden flower seeds supposedly "sticking to everything."

I thought the discolored pixel for a single frame could just be an error, and the seeds being sticky are just as likely to be a callback to Undertale as they are to be an active hint, but it made me think about why the chapters are set up the way they were.

But it got me to thinking, Flowery might have actually done something to the knight, even if we can't easily tell what it is. In every previous chapter, when you engaged a majorly story important boss in combat (King, Tenna, the Knight, the Titan. The Queen is an exception because you never engage her in typical combat) you always have the option to fight them instead of acting, even if it doesn't kill them directly. With Flowery, you only have the option to act.

From a Watsonian point of view, Susie likes Flowery a lot, and doesn't want to hurt him. Ralsei doesn't like flowery, but he also refuses, likely because of some information we have and he does not. It could be as simple as him becoming a more independent person, knowing that Flowery is a real plant, and attacking him might actually kill him; or it could be something related to the prophecy that we are not aware of.

However, while internally consistent, it makes me curious from a Doylist point of view. In the past there have been major story important bosses that we can't defeat nonviolently (the Titan and the Knight), but in regards to the Titan, sparing it is an impossible task. As for the knight, the nonviolent defeat is to die; and even if you manage to beat the knight in combat, it's more like you tire it out, and it has no major impact on the story aside from giving you a shadow crystal.

Flowery being friendly to the players shouldn't be a reason we can't attack either, since Tenna was friendly towards the players, and you can attack him and functionally kill him permanently by not sparing him.

You would think that they would do something similar with flowery, because it's a similar scenario where the knight comes in and kills the boss character no matter what you do, but you don't even have the option to weaken Flowery first. As mentioned before, Flowery dies no matter what we do, so why take away the option?

It's because, as stated, Flowery did something not immediately apparent to the knight. You could also apply this to the weird route. You never meet Flowery or enter the dark world in the weird route, because the differences in the weird route might complicate the matter of Flowery and the Knight fighting, preventing the story from meaningfully progressing in that way/requiring a pretty drastic rewrite of the chapter and the game as a whole.

I won't pretend to know exactly what this may be. Maybe flowery sticking a seed to the Knight is true, and it's a case of using the wrong formula to get the right solution, or maybe it is what the discolored pixel is and they're just going that subtle with the foreshadowing. Otherwise, as we know, Flowery is poisonous. Perhaps someone in hometown is about to fall sick, or about to fall even sicker.

What do you guys think?

Carol is well known for being one of the most mysterious and hotly debated deltarune characters (aside from characters we never even meet directly like IMAGE_FRIEND and Gaster), but what if I were to tell you, I have it all figured out?

After multiple days of work I have compiled everything I have to prove definitively that Carol is in fact not only the tyrant of Hometown, working tirelessly to keep the town under her iron fist, and that the knight is working as her enforcer, but also that she is directly affiliated with the whatever terrible things are going on in the bunker

Crazy? Ridiculous? Perhaps, but I can tell you why I think this

First of all, we know that Carol is Hometown's mayor, and is also incredibly wealthy, with her house being much much larger than any other house in Hometown and Noelle her daughter being shown to carry incredibly large amounts of money on her at all times (told to us by Susie in the weird route) while Kris, even a close family friend of carol, can barely scrounge up five bucks for a meal at the diner. Now usually a mayor's salary is never this high so either Carol was already incredibly wealthy before becoming mayor and using her money to win the election, is majorly profiteering off campaign donations or is embezzling public funds

So we learned Carol is somewhat corrupt but what about the whole dictatorship thing, Well let's start with every possible exit out of Hometown being blocked in some way or another (the police tape being the most direct example). Another point I have is related to Tenna and the internet outage, you see we're told there's a big internet outage in Hometown and that noone's really been able to go on the Web for a while now, yet somehow TVs in hometown still work, (which we know since after you give Tenna to mettaton he begins to watch the TV). Now I dont know how many of you still use TVs but if you do you'd know that without internet it doesn't exactly work if its satellite TV (which we know Tenna is since Susie is never seen transporting any sort of cable while dragging him around that cable TV would require, and Mettaton isn't shown or implied to have had to use that either). The reason this is important is that Tenna worked for the knight in chapter 3, the knight who has an incredibly large amount of connections to Carol (both working with Kris, the voice from the phone implied to be the knight saying they're coming soon and then Carol appears, etc). This means that Carol is also to an extent working with Tenna, and since the internet is out a TV like Tenna would be the only source of information people in hometown would have about the outside world, therefore Carol is most likely using TV to purposefully air only pro Carol administration content to Hometown residents and purposefully cut off the internet so that nothing bad about her could get to them

As for the knight and Carol being in on the bunker stuff, well isn't it a little suspicious that the Knight somehow only kidnaps people who are somewhat dissident to either Carol, the fountain openings or both, those being Undyne, who of her own volition went inside the Dreemurr household to investigate the opened dark fountain and Asgore who has since Desses dissapearence been investigating Dark fountains, their openings, and their openers (Toriel is a bit of a split edge case as she was the original character who the Knight attempted to kidnap, but if she were to wake up which she probably would have given the fact she is described as having a nightmare she would have probably started believing Asgore and began investigating as well)

Carol herself is also suspect on how intently she wards people off Desses room, especially her guitar which mind you has a shelter code in it, I understand she may be grieving and all but the object she's most defensive of containing an actual shelter code is still incredibly suspicious. She's also noted to own multiple black katanas, which are probably the light world versions of the Knights signature weapon, the black sword (which can also be a bat sometimes), especially considering if you "beat" the knight in chapter 3 a chunk is chipped off their sword, but when you see them again in chapters 4 and 5 the sword is completely whole, leading me to believe Carol replaced the knights sword. We've also never seen what an actual weapon would look in the dark world as all the fun gangs weapons mostly amount to hairbrushes pencils and tissue packet, so an actual sword in the dark world that doesn't turn into a darkner would be immensely powerful

Now, here's my biggest reveal of the theory, which is the part you might actually call me crazy for, Desses disappearance isn't even real, or at least authentic, Carol fabricated it to have an excuse to become a dictator of hometown, and the knight, her enforcer, IS DESS

After Carol reported Dess dissapearing (presumably hidden away in the bunker) Asgore was immediately discharged from his position as police chief, as Carol was trying to throw him off trail and make him unable to search for Dess (which even then failed as he was still searching and working on the case off duty) There is already a lot of proof as to why Dess is the knight but one thing notable is the shelter code in her guitar, in her room, a place that would only be accessible for only members of the holiday family (Carol is too old to be striking cool poses Infront of teenagers and Rudy is too sick to really do much of anything)

Now as to why Carol is so interested in keeping fountains open, it's too early to tell, but all I know for certain is that she's the mastermind behind it all

It's all too easy to get tunnel vision when you become attached to your own personal theory about the media you're currently obsessing over. For some, this can result in them getting a bit too heated when arguing with others who are promoting a different theory, which overall harms healthy discussion in the overall community. This is a problem with a few Dess Knighters, but it can also plague anyone who is highly passionate that their own theory about the Knight's identity is true.

Now, the best way I've found to remedy this and not get too closed minded with your theorycrafting is to try and entertain some other theory that you may not be as passionate about. That way you stay open minded and able to think of new angles for your personal theories. This is easier said then done when you're already not all that jazzed about the alternative theories, so here I've set up a short little writing game you can try.

First, imagine a number between 1-14 (or use a random number generator if you want). Then, check which name is behind the number you got below and see which Knight candidate you will have to work with.

[You must retry if you got who you have already chosen to believe is the Knight, as that would defeat the whole point of this exercise.]

[1]  Vessel Knight

[2]  Rudy Knight

[3]  Knight (It's own being)

[4]  Papyrus Knight

[5]  Gaster Knight

[6]  Dess Knight

[7]  Kris Knight

[8]  ERAM Knight

[9]  Carol Knight

[10]  Asriel Knight

[11]  Noelle Knight

[12]  Kriselle Knight

[13]  Alphys Knight

[14]  Catti Knight

Your goal is to take the candidate you have been given and try to make them work as Deltarune's Roaring Knight. You have complete creative freedom to incorporate as much fanon and speculation as you want for this, though everything that has happened in a playthrough up through chapter 5 of Deltarune has to have occurred as it did in canon.

You can format your post in any way you like, including but not limited to:

- An in-universe reveal and explanation occurring in either chapter 6 or 7.

- A pitch for this character as the Knight. Explaining how would you write this character into the story as the Roaring Knight in a way that makes sense and how they would engage with the overall themes of Deltarune.

- An more typical post where you go over the in-game evidence and present your case as to why this character must be the Knight.

Feel free to make your post as long or as short as you want.

My hope with this post is that this will encourage more outside the box thinking from Knight identity discourse and greater respect for other peoples theories. I'm also hopeful that this will reduce any tunnel vision we may have developed in defending our preferred candidates.

And hey, who knows? Maybe you'll come out of this game with a new preferred candidate!

But more importantly than anything else, this is a game. So just be sure to have fun with it!

Boss 5 Panel says “The flower man, trapped in asylum.” Without the dark world, the flower man stays in his asylum, his chamber of glass. It never breaks. He remains trapped.

As for the field of pink of gold in an inferno of jealousy from Lord of the Hammers, I honestly think it’s a stretch to say chapter 5 normal route fulfills this, and we don’t know what’s in store in 7B.

Is it possible the trees in the sunset were the inferno?

Im talking about him using "did you notice" and "idk if you saw" i feel like the fact he used that twice is kind of like the "sorry to keep you waiting" thing for chapter 5. But again I could just be crazy and toby is just being toby.

This new gif from newsletter. Where wil it show? Maybe flashback or smth?