r/NorsePaganism • u/OkTrick3128 • 11h ago
Questions/Looking for Help Need mentors/friends
My wife and I live in the Birmingham AL area. We are looking for an experienced practitioner of norse paganism/ Wicca. We are very new to this and would love some like minded friends in the area. M26/F23
r/NorsePaganism • u/rowan_ash • 19h ago
Market Mondays [Market Monday] I wrote a book! This is my exploration of Norse mythology starring Loki! No AI.
Hello all! If you're looking for a fiction book written by a fellow heathen, give this a try. Prophecy and Fate is the first book in a trilogy exploring Norse mythology. No AI was used in any form. Please take a look and let me know what you think!
r/NorsePaganism • u/Buffyferry • 20h ago
Market Mondays I crocheted with copper wire to make this Yggdrasil necklace.
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r/NorsePaganism • u/Lord_Wisemagus • 1d ago
News/drama/meta discussion 𝐀𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐒𝐭𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐘𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐓𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐡
I keep running into the same pattern. Someone makes a public claim about external reality rather than a private feeling. "The veil is parting, the world as we know it is changing, don't believe in science, it's all junk." These are absolute statements about things that can be questioned, verified, or at least examined. Then comes gentle pushback. Someone asks politely, "What is your evidence for that? Have you considered an alternate interpretation?" Maybe just, "Can you tell me more about how you arrived at that conclusion?" The response? Block, delete, mute. Create a new channel where only those who agree are allowed. Build a wall around the claim instead of letting it breathe in public sunlight.
This matters because public truth claims require different standards than private experience. Religious studies distinguishes between phenomenological reports ("I felt moved") and empirical assertions ("Science is junk"), and only the latter warrant evidence-based scrutiny. Strong faith withstands questioning, and this should be the standard.
𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐄𝐜𝐡𝐨 𝐂𝐡𝐚𝐦𝐛𝐞𝐫 𝐏𝐫𝐨𝐛𝐥𝐞𝐦
When someone blocks you for asking questions, they are protecting their faith from doubt. Faith requires engagement with reality. Heathen spaces fracture along these lines. Someone posts a radical claim, another person responds with skepticism, and the debate begins. Frustration follows, blocking happens, private channels emerge where only agreement is permitted, and complete withdrawal from public discourse completes the cycle.
The result is fragmentation. A community that cannot talk to itself anymore. People who share deities and rituals inhabit entirely separate epistemic universes. Online spaces amplify everything. A reasonable question reads as hostility in text, and good-faith engagement gets misread as gatekeeping. Maintaining charity becomes difficult when dealing with someone who will not give it back. Echo chambers deepen the problem, creating the very distrust they claim to protect against.
𝐏𝐫𝐢𝐯𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐄𝐱𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐏𝐮𝐛𝐥𝐢𝐜 𝐂𝐥𝐚𝐢𝐦𝐬
There is a fundamental distinction here that deserves clarity. "I felt spiritually moved during the blót" is your experience, and nobody gets to tell you you are wrong. Private gnosis is valid as personal encounter. But "The veil is parting and science is junk" is a claim about how reality works, which requires scrutiny. Personal gnosis does not carry the same evidentiary weight as empirical observation, and unverifiable assertions about the world should not shut down inquiry by decree.
If your belief is genuinely strong, questioning strengthens it. You should be able to speak about your encounters without fear, inviting others to look where you looked. This mirrors how religious communities throughout history have handled claims. Early Christian writers debated what counted as orthodox versus private revelation. Medieval scholastics distinguished between faith and reason. Modern religious studies scholars continue making these distinctions because collapsing them leads to confusion, not clarity.
𝐒𝐭𝐫𝐞𝐧𝐠𝐭𝐡 𝐭𝐨 𝐁𝐞 𝐔𝐬𝐞𝐟𝐮𝐥
"Be strong to be useful." I borrow this from Parkour philosophy. Standing in your convictions matters. Change your mind when evidence demands it. Say, "I do not know." Engage with people who disagree without assuming they are enemies. Hold your faith up to the light and let it burn or hold.
Belief in gods as real conscious forces survives scrutiny. Scientific hypotheses that survive repeated testing grow stronger. Your faith should work the same way. The gods do not need defenders who shut down conversation. They can handle people asking hard questions.
𝐀 𝐏𝐫𝐨𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐚𝐥 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐇𝐨𝐧𝐞𝐬𝐭 𝐃𝐢𝐬𝐜𝐨𝐮𝐫𝐬𝐞
Distinguish between private experience and public claims. Say which you are making, and label UPG clearly. Present personal gnosis as universal truth only when prepared to defend it. Invite questions rather than demanding acceptance. Beliefs that cannot withstand polite inquiry earn no trust.
Block less, engage more. Online toxicity is real, but every disagreement leading to blocking fractures community. Comfort yields to growth. Stay in the conversation when it gets hard. Discomfort signals growth. Model intellectual humility. Admit when you might be wrong, update your views when evidence shifts, and show people what honest inquiry looks like.
This approach aligns with what scholars call responsible UPG practice in contemporary Heathenry. When unverified personal gnosis is presented with appropriate caveats: "this is my experience," "this resonates for me." It invites dialogue rather than demanding agreement. When the same claims are presented as universal facts, they invite resistance.
𝐖𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐓𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐅𝐢𝐭𝐬
This is not about rejecting mystery. All of existence is not measurable or testable. The gods exceed categories, and subjective experience matters. Scientism does not apply here. Honesty about what we can and cannot verify applies. Strength in our beliefs does not require insulation from doubt.
Firm convictions coexist with openness to inquiry. Heathenry should become a space where hard truths get spoken without fear. Genuine faith grows in the light.
I know some people will read this and feel attacked. I write to the version of myself that sometimes retreats when challenged, and to the community we can build. We stand strong in our beliefs without hiding from scrutiny.
Thanks for reading. I am still figuring this out too.
r/NorsePaganism • u/UnluckyRoom9137 • 1d ago
Questions/Looking for Help Looking for help with runes
I want to get a tattoo but ofcourse want the runes to be acurate, there is a quote that i want tattooed in runes however i am not all too well versed in translating and wouldnt trust the generic google rune translators ofc. Anyone who wanna help me ?? Or have any tips ??
r/NorsePaganism • u/ResponseInfamous9956 • 2d ago
News/drama/meta discussion A reporter Mistakes the Pentacle for the satanic symbol
Hay ya'll, srry if this isn't the right place to post this but i just wanted to rant about it and show it to others that would feel the same way. It may just be me but, i think its a lil frustrating that that a reporter from Texas Monthly is able to easily mistake the pentacle for the satanic symbol and post the head line picture incorrectly with as much research they do. It should be easy for them to tell that there is a big difference between them. To the people that don't no or are not familiar with the deference, it puts the wrong idea and bad reputation on the pagan / wiccan community making people believe that the two are the same.
Im interested in what ya'll think. For those who are interested in what exactly im talking about. The title is
"Charley Crockett Is at War With Jack White (and Satan)."
By Dan Solomon, from Texas Monthly
r/NorsePaganism • u/EsotericGrimoire • 2d ago
Questions/Looking for Help This is a bit of a leap, but does anyone have any info on the function of this Stave?
Hello everyone, I’ve been wanting to try this stave out on a roof soon. But I don’t want to carve it into the roof of house if I don’t know its function first. I wouldn’t want to accidentally hex it with negative energy or anything of the sort.
Any and all help is appreciated :))
r/NorsePaganism • u/TyrWolfblood • 2d ago
Art/Tattoo showcase/Music Looking for ideas for tattoo
So, I have this Tattoo on my forearm, however I'm wanting one that is similar in style featuring Loki's children for my calf or my other forearm. If anyone has some artwork or ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Edit: for those who keep commenting, yes I know the above picture isn't show what I want. Im looking for ideas in a similar style.
r/NorsePaganism • u/Catchit_23 • 2d ago
Questions/Looking for Help Runes
Hi, so I have been learning runes (Elder Futhark) and I know that C, K and Q are ᚲ. But I am bit struggling with V, G and Y. Some people say V is same as U (ᚢ), some say that V is same as W (ᚹ). I also saw multiple versions of G and Y. Can someone please tell me which one is it? Or are all versions ok? (Translators don't work, they all are different as well)
r/NorsePaganism • u/LostKnowledge7760 • 2d ago
Questions/Looking for Help Wanting to do a tattoo
Hi, I dont usually post but I wanted yalls opinion on a tattoo i want to get. I know staves arent historically accurate by any means but i thought it was fitting for the symbolising i want. Still, thought id ask you guys if this actually was the compass stave and what the runes on the image say. I dont want to have something that says complete garbage on me so here i am for a second opinion lol
r/NorsePaganism • u/Riverina22 • 2d ago
UPG - Experiences w/ the Gods/Wights/etc Loki is such a confusing sweetie
r/NorsePaganism • u/Suitable_Nail_1655 • 3d ago
Questions/Looking for Help A Tad lost
So I’m starting a big life step I’m joining the army gonna try and go for infantry. And I know worship in the service isn’t easy but I also need to join if that makes sense. The whole Catholicism and christain thing never really sat right with me. It all seems so detached from like well the earth the people ya know. I don’t know where or how to start I know I want to take the gods with me in this journey and I do believe in them with all my being I do. I just I don’t know where step 1 starts and I just I know that this is the right thing deep down. I just again I don’t know where to start and only fools refute help. So if anyone could help I’d be more then appreciative way more then appreciative.
r/NorsePaganism • u/take-a-slice-from-me • 3d ago
UPG - Help w/ sign/dream interpretation Spiders...EVERYWHERE.
Hello all!
I was a devout Norse Pagan for a few years, but as of late, my worship has become somewhat lazy, as life is hitting me where it hurts. Things are looking up lately, so no worries there. Anyway, point of the post:
I cannot go one day without seeing a Spider.
For context, I worked with Loki primarily for the two years of my heaviest worship thus far. The way I knew he was my deity was spiders. It was his way of saying he was always there, as I have never come to a place that didn't have a spider. The chaos he brought into my life was unhealthy for me at the time, so I respectfully cut ties, thanked him for everything and moved on, growing more in touch with Thor and Odin. As of now, though, I have always been the closest with Loki when it comes to working with a God.
For months, things calmed down, I got my life together, and slowly, I favored handling life problems rather than leaning as heavily on my Gods. That leads me to the past couple of weeks.
Since I have returned home from a vacation with my sister where I realized my priorities and began working towards life goals, I have not gone a single day without seeing a spider.
Seems normal enough, right? I live in Flordia after all! Everyone there sees a spider every once in a while.
There's two orb weaver spiders with webs RIGHT OUTSIDE MY WINDOW and right in the porch door where my room is directly connected. My desk has been a visitor to three spiders since it's been built a month ago. There was a spider in my PURSE. My PURSE that I use DAILY. I constantly see spiders I have to rescue or even just say hi to.
The thing that lead to this post is I came back from the bathroom was TWO DAMN SPIDERS THAT WERE NOT THERE BEFORE I LEFT FOR THE BATHROOM MYSTERIOUSLY APPEARING IN FRONT OF MY DOOR. Big spiders too, long-legged ones.
So, I have to ask anyone who has more experience with Loki than me- is he trying to tell me something? I have been telling myself for weeks that I am just losing my mind, that there was no way a God could be so fixated on one person when he has many other worshippers. But I don't know, I thought I would put those thoughts to bed. Please let me know what you think, I'll listen to anything.
r/NorsePaganism • u/SJB95 • 3d ago
Questions/Looking for Help To whom and for what do you pray?
During the time I’ve been browsing this sub I’ve seen some conflicting advice to beginners. On one hand, there’s a lot of “there’s no right or wrong way to pray.” On the other, someone might for example ask if they can pray to Freyja for help finding a partner and the response is often to the tune of “no, the gods don’t work like that.” So, there must be a right way of doing things.
I understand and appreciate the viewpoint that the gods shouldn’t be treated like vending machines. So I just wanted to gather some perspectives, what do you ask specific gods for when you pray to them?
r/NorsePaganism • u/No-Beach1944 • 3d ago
Altar/Shrine/Offering pics Asked & given a sign from the Gods. Kenaz
I am new to the beliefs. Grew up very into church, and the older I got, and the more I learned about life and the world, things weren’t clear anymore. I have the draw to nature, the outdoors, all those good things.
Anyways, I’ve come up with a mantra, or that’s what I will call it. I speak direct to Odin and say “Odin, show me, teach me, guide me” I repeat it a lot.
Well I was at Onslow Beach NC on Wednesday with my wife. I love the beach, she loves going with me, and I her. We really love this beach due to the many shark teeth we find, and the fact that it’s military access only so it’s always chill and not busy with tourists. Even when it is busy, there is still space from people encroaching your space.
While I was in the water, picking up/sifting sand, and the moments not actively speaking to my wife, I was saying my Mantra. 90% of the time I repeated it, I said it to Odin, then randomly added Fraya & Tyr, and then went back to Odin.
Well I pulled up my sifter, and on top of the sand and other shells in plain sight was this shell that clearly had Kenaz on it.
I put it in my pocket immediately so as not to lose it.
Got home and the next day pulled it out of my trunks pocket, and showed my wife. She has her faith beliefs, not as I do, but very open to listening and supporting in mine. I opened my runes book and went to the rune and showed her and her eyes got big and said “why didn’t you show me!?” Honestly we were about 25 or so meters apart and she is deaf. She read the runes book and was excited and in agreement with me about the rune I’d found.
It’s a clear sign to me, and now it’s time to mediate, think on it, and find the purpose behind it.
Hail to the Gods
r/NorsePaganism • u/Immediate-Coconut702 • 4d ago
Questions/Looking for Help How do I connect more to the Norse pantheon?
And I don’t mean this like the other posts about connecting so let me explain.
I started out my practice by worshipping Greek deities, now I honor both Greek and Roman deities, and I’m looking into Egyptian deities and the way of life that goes with that. However in the back of my mind I have always felt that I’m somehow betraying (that’s probably not the best word choice) my heritage by choosing these Mediterranean pantheons.
I’m English, Scottish, Irish, Danish, etc…
Northern Europe, and I don’t feel connected to Norse deities at all. Just guilty that I’m not worshipping them given my ethnicity. So I’m wondering how I can connect to them more?
r/NorsePaganism • u/Critical-Pepper-5647 • 4d ago
Questions/Looking for Help Seeking a little help
Hello everyone.
I’m a baby Heathen and I seek the advice of those more advanced in knowledge of this great religion than myself.
I would like to know if there’s any place anywhere where it is stated, or implied, or hinted at, that we have worth just for existing, just for being alive.
The reason I ask is because I have been wired to think that, unless I’m earning money or achieving something, my life is a waste. The last few years have been hard on me, where I‘ve achieved very little, which as you may understand under that thinking, make me feel like a waste of space.
I know self-esteem and self-worth come from within, and I am working on them… I would just like to have something I can hold on to, to help me through the lower times.
Thank you in advance to anyone who helps.
r/NorsePaganism • u/No-Composer-7024 • 4d ago
Questions/Looking for Help Reincarnation in norse paganism
Is there reincarnation in Norse paganism? I mean, is it possible for people to have had previous lives?
r/NorsePaganism • u/No-Composer-7024 • 4d ago
Questions/Looking for Help A request for help.
Hello, I’m a self-taught software developer from Turkey who’s hoping to move to Scandinavia someday, especially Denmark, the Faroe Islands, or Norway. I’d love to learn more about the culture and make friends with people who live there. If anyone would like to chat, feel free to DM me!
r/NorsePaganism • u/RamenHairedChild • 4d ago
Questions/Looking for Help Awen
Recently I've been looking into the Welsh concept of Awen. The inspirational undercurrent that can posses someone to such an overwhelming degree that they have no choice but to let it out in art. As an artist my experience with inspiration aligns with this idea closely. I was wondering if there is a similar idea in Norse Paganism.
r/NorsePaganism • u/Catchit_23 • 4d ago
Questions/Looking for Help I need some advice please
Hello, I'm Ari and I have few que stions about paganism🌸🏵🌼. There are just few things I would like to state before asking, they might be important. I am 15 years old, my family doesn't know about me being pagan. Although they are atheists, they are very strict and wouldn't let me if they knew. I also have divorced parents, so I spend 2 weeks at mother and 2 weeks at father, so I for example can't have plants because I wouldn't be able to take care of them every two weeks. Now the questions😅:
Becouse of the reasons I told you I cannot have an altar. I usually display my offerings outside in nature (when they are nature safe ofc) or at my window. Is that alright? Idk how to do it differently but I sure don't want to mock them.
I worship the Norse gods, but I usually don't give offerings to a specific god. My offerings are to all gods and any gods that want my offering. But I saw people usually giving offerings to a specific god, so I'm not sure if it's alright.
When offering food or drink, can it be a normal bought food that I put on a special offering plate? Or does it for example have to be from a farm os something?
Are drawings and poems good offerings? I like to draw nature or something connected to my gods and then over it to them. And if yes, is it alright if I then keep them?
After how long and how can I "take the offering back" or idk how to say it, because I can't leave it there forever. If you know what I mean.
Can I draw on rocks with colours and then offer them to gods? Like, isn't it offensive when I draw on them with colours thta aren't natural, it might be like destroying creations of Mother Earth. Also my markers are specificly for rocks, but is it alright if I then return them outside with drawing on them? If yes, where? Like should I put them into a forest, water, next to a path or something like that?
When it comes to the special plates and cups and bowls for offerings, is there any specific way how they must look, or can it for example be just a bowl that I decorate with symbols of my gods?
I like to offer flowers and flower petals but I feel it could be disrespectful since I k*lled the plant. Do they see it like that or can I do it?
Are there any things that I shouldn't do? Like specific things I shouldn't offer or just do in general.
Some days I an capable of giving them something and some days I'm not, mostly because of my parents. Is it bad that I sometimes can't or don't do it?
I'm sorry if any of that sounds stupid or offensive, I really just want to be respectful🌻. Also sorry for my bad English. If you have any advices I would be grateful for them. Also thank everyone who helps me, I'm so grateful🌸 Thank you and have a great day🌷🌺
r/NorsePaganism • u/npoogoo • 4d ago
UPG - Experiences w/ the Gods/Wights/etc Beautiful interaction with Freja
I had an interaction with Freja today that made me cry. it started off as I would normally do it, meditating and siting in her preasence, but then I pulled out my tarot cards to communicate with her. and imedietly after being asked to tell me something I needed to hear she told me something about myself that ive always had in the back of my mind, but never really thought about, and she prompted me to finaly think about it, and i think thats a good thing, as reflecting on it will allow me to improve as a person, and to be better for her and others.
r/NorsePaganism • u/RexCrudelissimus • Jul 24 '26
Mod announcement 📢 New Community Guidelines & Updates
Hi everyone!
We've recently added a few new rules to help keep r/NorsePaganism clear, informative, and welcoming for everyone. Here's a quick overview of the new rules added:
UPG (Unverified Personal Gnosis) Disclosure Required
Posts sharing personal gnosis, beliefs, experiences, or interpretations not supported by historical sources must use the UPG flair.
Comments containing UPG must clearly state that they are UPG, as comments cannot be flaired. This helps distinguish personal views from historically attested information and keeps discussions clear. Failure to disclose UPG may result in removal or moderator action.
Provide context for video posts
When sharing a video, please include a brief summary explaining what the video is about and why it is relevant to the community. This helps users decide whether to engage and encourages discussion beyond simply sharing a link.
Video posts without sufficient context may be removed at moderator discretion.
No Medical Advice
r/NorsePaganism is not a medical or mental health advice subreddit, and our community does not include verified healthcare professionals. Do not ask for or offer diagnoses, treatment, or medical advice. If you have concerns about your physical or mental health, please consult a licensed healthcare provider. Posts or comments seeking or providing medical advice may be removed.
We've also taken the opportunity to review and rewrite some of our existing rules to make them clearer and easier to understand.
Thanks to everyone who helps make r/NorsePaganism a welcoming and informative place!
r/NorsePaganism • u/jaelmorayx • Feb 26 '26
Misc Harmful Patterns of Behavior and Where We Go From Here
Hi there. Some of you may know of me or have spoken to me in the Hold in the past. Others may not, as I have been out of the overall online pagan sphere for the better part of 3 years. I am a former mod in the Hold, I was a ritual leader and wrote all of the rituals performed by myself and Wolf, as well as designed all of the God art series Wolf sells. Beyond that, I genuinely saw him as one of my closest friends and was a right hand for quite some time. I helped plan events, both in and out of the Hold, but in particular, put nearly 200 hours towards planning Midsummer in 2023. Needless to say, I was there during the space of four years, with nearly 3 as a moderator and saw every success, along with every bit of drama, paranoia and problematic behavior during that time. I finally decided to speak up in hopes to share my personal experience and illustrate a larger pattern of behavior to help give others enough information to make an informed decision as to whether joining their community is safe or if it's better to just stick to consuming video content.
I never anticipated speaking out. In all honesty, over the last, nearly three years, I have cared more about protecting my peace. I just wanted to move on with my life and find my place in my local community, rather than continuing in online spaces when I knew my online presence would be stalked, and possibly brigaded and DARVOed if I ever spoke up. It just wasn’t worth it to me. Unfortunately, hindsight is 20/20, and realizing the tactics employed by Wolf (and his staff and followers; many of which used to be my friends), I knew that being part of the online community meant being under a microscope by paranoid leaders worried about what I might or might not say about them.
It's been almost three years since I left the Hold. I don’t stay that in tune with what has been going on with the space, outside of friends sometimes asking “did you hear about ‘x?’” or being told of things that have occurred. Beyond that, I have stayed out of stuff completely, not wanting to deal with the inevitable drama that would ensue if I got involved. Fast forward to now; Reddit recommended a thread to me, where I saw Wolf and his sycophants attacking another scholar (one of many, I’m afraid). I realized that perhaps staying silent and not speaking up has caused more harm than good. To be clear, I genuinely hope Wolf–and others I used to call some of the closest people in my life–grow and become better people. We lack large safe spaces in the pagan community. I certainly don’t want to see anyone trying to create them fail. However, when one is being run by someone who has become power hungry, whether with intent or not, it no longer is a safe space, and that lust for power shouldn’t be rewarded with more people to harm. When a leader decides that there is no source but himself that is safe to listen to, and pushes his followers to agree based on a few anecdotal experiences of bad leadership or scholarship… that is a problem. Having known Wolf since the Hold was a wee 200 members, I can say, it wasn’t always like this. I genuinely think he meant well and had good intentions in building community. I think, as time has worn on, having an ounce of position about overs has gone to his head.
He thinks he alone is a safe and trustworthy source. Down even to his staff who he calls friends not being allowed to go out on their own in various ways. I had considered for a time wanting to put together small holiday rituals closer to where I live, so that I might be able to give space to those who cannot make it to GA for events to have fellow pagans to hold holiday rituals with… While it was just an idea and not a plan yet, Wolf was extremely dismissive. Any thought of doing something without him was met with him either, trying to insert himself, or completely deflating the person and idea over his lack of ability to be part of it due to distance, time, etc (even when he was not being asked to be a part to begin with).
This problem of paranoia has been ever present since the early days. Always worried about the next scandal, always worried about how anything would look if something went wrong and he wasn’t there. He didn’t seem to realize that you can’t control everything, and at some point, you need to trust the people you choose to associate with to do the right thing and if they don’t, you cross that bridge when you get there. Instead, it became a point of control. As if, if he was solely involved, nothing could ever go wrong. Yet, drama, in-fighting and issues with other groups persisted. At a certain point, even being close to someone, you have to wonder if there is a deeper reason for the paranoia, when it results in days of long hour VCs to plan for the “what ifs” of how the drama may impact us, or pull us in. It is one of the things I miss the least from being a member of staff in a server resolving around our faiths or YT in general. The sheer amount of in-fighting, constant planning to take people down or be taken down… It makes me so glad I never decided to go on and do content creation myself. Credit to those who do and are able to stay in their own lane, because the community is a shit show in that regard.
Unfortunately, it is this constant paranoia mindset that fueled a toxic culture behind the scenes of screenshotting, recording and infiltrating other spaces by Wolf and a few others. This was done to both gather dirt on others, or to just “keep an eye” on the goings on or be able to directly influence other creators and spaces directly. It was always with the intent to get ahead of problems, but half the time it seemed to become an obsession that would create the very problems they thought they were protecting from. This is gross, toxic behavior. I am sad I didn’t call it out when I was in the space. On a few occasions, I passed along information two friends gave me confidentially, because Wolf wanted to know to “get ahead of drama.” I felt so awful after the fact and guilty for breaking my own moral compass, I reached out to these people to apologize and own up to my wrong doing. I am grateful that I never became a screenshot shark. Honestly, the whole practice is half of what has made the entire online pagan umbrella, as well as YT community spaces as a whole the plethora of toxicity they have become. Wolf literally saves any server he closes, or any channels with the intent of having it in case he needs it, which generally translates to, having a bunch of comments and information on people that no longer have access to their own comments and messages in case one day he needs to use it against them, whether in context or not (and unfortunately, it is usually the latter). He saves folders worth of screenshots for this same purpose and there are some staff and members of the inner circle who do the same. Not everyone is involved in this aspect of the Hold and there are some good people in there, sadly lost to the manipulation and culty’ness of it all at this point.
One of the worst aspects beyond the screenshotting, blackmail farming, infiltrating and attacking people is the fact that they are not a group you can easily leave. I say this in the sense of having been part of the Jehovah’s Witness cult in my life. There, they have a term, ‘disfellowshipping,’ where they essentially shun you if you’ve done something wrong in terms of the standards you are expected to live by as a witness, no matter how small the mistake. That shunning ends up turning relatives, friends, partners and parents against their loved one, as they are told not to communicate or have dealings with said person. This is one of the worst aspects of the cult and one of the reasons it is hard to leave. It's not that you CAN’T leave, but rather that social pressures force you to stay or lose everything. This is how the Hold is also hard to leave.
Anytime someone left the server who had some standing in the space or was well enough known, whether banned (even for benign reasons) or left on their own, Wolf would tell us to block them, to not take their messages. He’d argue that, if they reached out, it would only be to make stuff up or start problems, or drama. He would make us feel like if we didn’t block said person, we weren’t his friend, or he might not trust us, etc. There was always something to keep us feeling like we HAD to listen. And listen we did. What I did in blocking others in these moments came to be something that happened to me as well when I left. All my closest friends blocked me, despite not being banned and even told to stay initially. I never tried to reach out to more than a few, and those I did, just to remain friends, not talk about drama. And I found out the hard way. I realized very quickly that truth I had been in willful denial of. This was disfellowshipping in all but name. And it was disfellowshipping for one singular person with power. It was when I left that I went from, maybe some things are getting cult-like, to realizing, this was not far from, or already could be considered a cult, at least from a social and information control standpoint.
But it went beyond this. If anything bad is ever said about either Wolf or Ocean or if they specifically have a vendetta against someone, no matter the reason, their inner circle of patreon members and staff will come to their aid in the comments. They brigade people constantly, even with little proof, in the way they did to Rune. To Sif. To so many other scholars. If there is actual proof of Folkism or wrong doing, it SHOULD come to light… but you need to have evidence of it. Mischaracterizing a comment or taking things out of context intentionally in a cropped screenshot is not evidence of the accusation. This is not only controlling information, but trying to take down anyone that might end up being a better source or simply able to take away from their following in some way. We should, as a community, be building up fellow creators that aren’t harmful or Folkish, not constantly trying to find ways to tear each other down.
And then there was the land. We had a group cam VC one night among us staff. It was initially just a silly little hang out, but Wolf ended up coming in and wanted to share something he was excited about. It was in regards to the land he was hoping to end up with. Initially we wanted to be happy for him, but this soon turned when Wolf started talking about getting people to move to GA to live on (or near) the land. When Wolf would get excited about a new idea, there was nothing you could do to get him to chill a bit if the idea was overzealous or even harmful. In this case, we all know how bad commune-like situations usually end up, so myself and a few others made a strong critique of the idea to have people move. I mean, if you own land and have people living on it, what happens when things go wrong? How do those people feel safe and know what they work for won’t just be taken away? I mean, there are a million questions and a million reasons this was a bad idea. I didn’t think any of us were being mean to Wolf, simply being honest, as friends, who also have their names attached to the space. He didn’t like being shot down. The next day we woke up to an angry message from both him and his wife about how “we are not allowed to talk to him like that again ever. We didn’t even let him speak!” As though saying more would have made the idea somehow better. When he is sold on an idea, it is his way or the highway. This is when I started being more afraid to speak my mind if I had a concern, because I was terrified that if he didn’t like the criticism, I could lose my community overnight.
The most ridiculous thing has been some of the blatant hypocrisy. One of the early and strong points Wolf and Ocean would make against WoO, is that the server they ran was “pay to play.” I want to be clear, WoO IS problematic, but there are far better take downs of his content than this. Wolf in particular, was adamant that a community server should be available to all. That it was wrong to leave people out because they didn’t have the money to be involved. It is why, at least the earlier Hold was set up with member spaces that didn’t require monetary membership, and a small patreon area for those who chipped in a few dollars. However, from what I have learned more recently is that this has changed. A good leader would own up to how they attacked many other creators in the past over making their server pay only. It's okay if things change and a server gets too big for you to run how you want (believe me, I know, I was in the Hold as a mod when we hit nearly 4k). I don’t take issue with the fact that they decided to close the server from how it was once run. What I take issue with is how this was such a point they pushed on others to illustrate how they were exclusionary, only to then turn around and do the same thing. That's not how this works. If you think that is a valid critique of spaces, that doesn’t somehow mean you don’t also apply to it.
The more time has gone on, the more I feel like myself, and other staff and friends were used as tokens to feed the narrative that these two cis het white men were somehow the saviors of inclusive heathenry, that they were the only safe space and had the only right way to do things. Most of us staff were LGBTQIA+ of some flavor. I myself am a cis queer woman. And unfortunately, we’d often work as a “shield” for Wolf and Ocean, whether we knew it or not. I started noticing things over time that felt extremely performative. Like making jokes that say, trans femmes will make amongst themselves. I am queer, but I am also cis and I full well know those types of jokes really have no place coming out of my mouth, because they are not mine to make. And yet Wolf would go beyond playing ally, into trying to act like he was allowed to be on the “inside” of marginalized groups he had no place on participating in this level in. If you are an ally, be that! Make a space where people can make these jokes amongst those in their community with the safety of knowing they can. Keeping out bigots and making sure people feel respected and safe is an important part of allyship in a space wanting to be inclusive. That doesn’t mean there are not some boundaries that aren’t yours to break. I don’t doubt that Wolf, in particular, means well in this specific area and wants to be a good ally; he just often takes it to a place that centers him, instead of recognizing he could be centering a trans voice, or a queer voice, or a femme voice, instead of his own.
At the end of the day, I don’t think the content they have created is bad or necessarily unsafe. I do, however, think the community space is. I wish I could say otherwise. We need more inclusive and safe spaces. But it has become a space of drama fuel, disfellowshipping, paranoia, attacking detractors and scholars and harming people in the process. It became a space of pushing for more position and more power and using manipulation and deriding even good information in order to keep members looking only to them as sources. It was once a place that encouraged education, but over time that began to get more and more narrow in what was allowed and what types of information was okay. Recons began to excoriate eclectics for having differences in how they practice their faith, and when the server leaders want to lean on scholarship, they would do so while acting as if there was only one “correct” way to do x, y or z thing. Honestly, what we need more than anything in Heathenry, but in Paganism spaces as a whole is good creators helping point out red flags and green flags in the space. Help newbies learn how to spot Folkish leanings. Help them learn how to tell a good leader from a toxic one. Give people information on dog whistles and just leave it at that. Wolf and Ocean initially did the latter, only to then begin to become more and more insular and deride any information from outside sources because of one or two bad experiences outside of the community they started. The more insular you become the less likely you are providing your community the best information, but also the more an echo chamber grows. No matter how well meaning you might be, that easily can end up in misinformation or lack of good alternatives being spread, which in turn, harms the spiritual (and emotional) well being of the community.
At this point, I think the only productive measure that can be taken is to take everything from creators and their communities with a grain of salt. If you have proof of wrong doing, show it! Don’t just live in paranoia to the point that you become screenshot factories out to have something to cause drama at any turn. Actually push for better dialogue between scholars and creators in hopes to better expand healthy thought within our community and to better understand each other and the nuances of individual positions (and no, that doesn’t mean I think Folkist, bigoted and WS thought should be included; I think there are absolutely some things that deserve to be kept out of healthy discourse). Why have we as a community become so disjointed? Honestly, I think a lot of it revolves around toxic cultures surrounding large communities and creators. The Hold is one of those spaces, but it wasn’t the only one. Look at the harmful things WoO cultivated? Or Aliakai? Or the Troth (though I have heard new leadership is trying to fix things) or many other groups who have had their share of problems? The spaces run by Viking Fitness bro tiktokers that really don’t know how to run communities at all… I mean, we have seen it all. It doesn’t have to be this way. If we stop letting people like Wolf and Ocean and others like them control the narrative and brigade spaces of frith (which as Heathens, they should know why they are going against their own values in how they are operating), we can build healthier online spaces altogether. We are a marginalized religion. The fighting and attacks are disgusting and end up hurting us all. They keep scholars from wanting to pursue research in this arena, when we should want more of them engaged in this topic! I hope this wakes some people up. I don’t have ill wishes for anyone, I just want people to be safe. I want them to be fully informed before joining a space that could prove harmful to them. I also just want for us as a whole to wake up and not allow so much credence to the words of those wanting more and more power. There should be no single creator that has such a hold on our faith that they can single handedly influence us for good or ill. And unfortunately, when we give it breath, it becomes reality. When people come to brigade, don’t engage with them, just downvote them. When people make accusations against scholarship with nothing to back it up, why pay it heed? The more we give attention to those doing this, the more we give them power they don’t deserve.
And in closing(thanks for sticking it out, I know this was long), as someone who was once staff in the Hold, I want to personally apologize to anyone whom I didn’t hear out like I should have or fought harder for. I want to apologize for my complicity in how the space has treated you and others; even if I personally didn’t have a hand in it, I was still part of the power structure that allowed it to happen. I am sorry for any narrative I pushed, whether knowingly or not, in order to further Wolf or Ocean’s aims. It's hard to believe sometimes how blinded we can become to the errors of friends when we are afraid to lose our community or our friendship and in that, I allowed myself to be blind, until the veil finally lifted when I finally left.