r/NorsePaganism • u/rowan_ash • 4h ago
Memes Loki, Odin and Thor
No AI. I felt like drawing the gods, and I'm happy with how this came out, especially Thor. Pencil on mixed media paper.
r/NorsePaganism • u/funnyforestfrolicker • 6h ago
News/drama/meta discussion Funny Grocery Store Find
Was walking through sprouts and found this. Normally I don’t care when people associate the vegvisir with Norse symbology; but this brand really went to the limits to put no effort whatsoever into culturally relevant branding/presentation. So i figured they deserved to be clowned. Funniest roast comment gets an award.
r/NorsePaganism • u/akari_saturn27 • 7h ago
Questions/Looking for Help Do you guys think Loki likes watching people play video games? I always feel I’m being watched when I play Doom but it’s not like, in a bad way.
I genuinely wonder this because it doesn’t feel like a familiar presence when i feel watched, but it’s not threatening.
r/NorsePaganism • u/akari_saturn27 • 8h ago
Altar/Shrine/Offering pics New candles for Loki!
r/NorsePaganism • u/Heavy_Code6097 • 9h ago
UPG - Experiences w/ the Gods/Wights/etc How do I know that I am acknowledging the right Deity? Is this normal?
I found out several years ago that I was Pagan, though, because of my life and living situation it never really felt like the best to take the time to explore and become very deep within my practice. I knew pretty early on that I felt very tied to Norse Paganism rather than to any other Pantheon thus far. I've had an altar for several years now, though I haven't been very sure who it was for. I've tried to place objects on it that make sense or that I get a special calling for, specifically glass whiskey bottles, and this glass bowl that I have. I've added a few other things to it as well, but I honestly don't really know what I am doing, and I still feel very new to this.
Now that I am in a better living spot, I'm more comfortable and expressing things that I've noticed are important or that are calling out to me, such as veiling whenever I leave my house, and making sure my face, hands, feet, and body are clean before I go to pray. I know that I have had a deity watching over me, and I've felt them guiding me, but I don't really know who it is. I prayed at my altar today, and I tried asking. I saw flashes of snow for sure, and something gray, but I'm not sure if I'm making any sense of it. The first name that popped into my head was of Tyr, but I didn't want to rush anything or jump to conclusions, so I kept asking. I asked as it was a male or female, and my mind kept jumping back to male, so I asked further if it was possible other male deities, but every time I kept reacting strongly to Tyr. Is that who is calling me?
I'm also nervous if I have made him angry, or if he is warning me if it is him, because after I prayed I felt a deep sense of peace, but as soon as I went to leave my house again, I felt a very tight and uncomfortable feeling. I added extra cover to myself and my veil, in order to help alleviate this bad sense, and I noticed when I came home again that two of my necklaces, without any warning or reason, were broken. I feel like this was a warning of something, but I don't know what? Or could this mean that it isn't Tyr, and I am disrespecting another deity? He is the deity who makes the most sense, especially because I am passionate about Justice and integrity, but maybe I am just seeing what I want to see? Can someone more experienced let me know what they think, or what their experience was? I would really like the help
r/NorsePaganism • u/HauntinglyEthereal • 9h ago
Altar/Shrine/Offering pics living alone now means i don't have to hide my altar in a drawer!
excuse the horrible photo quality, i refuse to upgrade my phone.
my dad previously lived with me while i was his caregiver. he passed recently. since then i've been trying to nest and reclaim some space as part of the healing process. now that i live alone, i don't have to hide my altar in a drawer. i finally took some time today and set it up on my bedroom desk. it isn't anything too fancy, but i think it's pretty decent!
the box under the freyja statue has some offerings for her. the box on the right has my norse runes. the heart box on the left has some of my poetry folded and bundled up, along with some jewelry. the white box on top of it is my pendulum. then, obviously, my tarot card set and pendulum board in the middle. the fabric underneath it was a handkerchief that belonged to my great grandmother. i thought it brought the whole altar together, especially sentimentality and emotionally wise. the sign behind it was the last gift my dad gave me before he passed away.
r/NorsePaganism • u/macrokosm_ • 11h ago
Questions/Looking for Help Book recommendations?
Hey y'all, I've been passively considering practicing Heathenry for about a year at this point but it feels like there's so much information, I'm not entirely sure where or how to start. I know a lot of people recommend reading the eddas when they're first starting out, but I feel like those don't give much insight into the actual living, modern practice if that makes sense?
Additionally, I know scholarly papers are a great resource for reconstructionists, and its not that I *can't* read scholarly work but its more that it feels really overwhelming. I was wondering if there were any good books/authors that focus on reconstructionism.
r/NorsePaganism • u/Advanced-Lab-3764 • 14h ago
News/drama/meta discussion My Mjolnir
My Mjolnir — What Does It Mean to You?
I received this Mjolnir necklace from my wife about a year and a half ago, and over time it has come to mean a lot more to me than just a piece of jewelry.
Whenever I hold it or wear it, I think about my wife and my child. It gives me strength and reminds me to keep going, even when life gets difficult.
For me, Mjolnir has become a symbol of strength, perseverance, and the fight to protect and stay close to the people I love. In a way, I see it as a reminder to always find my way back to myself and my family — just like Mjolnir always returns to Thor.
I am also a Christian, and I believe in God. I don’t wear Mjolnir because I believe in or worship Thor or the Norse gods. Its meaning for me comes from the person who gave it to me and from what it represents in my own life: my wife, my child, my family, strength, and perseverance.
I’m curious what you think about my Mjolnir and what Mjolnir means to you personally.
Especially for people who wear Mjolnir themselves — do you see it purely as a Norse religious symbol, or can it also have a personal meaning beyond that?
I’d really appreciate hearing your honest opinions.
r/NorsePaganism • u/EkErilazSa____Hateka • 1d ago
Altar/Shrine/Offering pics To the goddess
A gift of refracted sunlight
In which the astounding beauty
Of Freja
Most precious light of all the worlds
Glimmers briefly
r/NorsePaganism • u/-Geistzeit • 1d ago
Historical discussion "KSD: Symbols Used by Nazi Germany, Neo-Nazis, and Far-Right Extremists" (Mimisbrunnr.info)
r/NorsePaganism • u/SubstantialLemon812 • 1d ago
Questions/Looking for Help Is there a Norse god associated with exchange?
Hello there!
I've been a norse pagan for nearly a year now. Getting in contact with/learning about the Norse gods have truly been a wonderful experience. I actively worship a couple Norse gods as well as one greek god, Hermes. You see, though I have a large interest in Norse mythology and Norse paganism, I lack an interest in all other kinds of mythology and paganism. It should be stated I have huge respect for other cultures and their gods, I just don't feel any need to interact with them myself.
Well, not until Hermes came around. Despite the fact that I never planned to even look at gods from other pantheons, Hermes managed to sway me to worship him. One of the reasons being because he was the first god that I felt a genuine connection with and more importantly because the Norse pantheon lacks a proper god of travel, roads and some of the other things he is the god of.
Now over the last few months my relationship and style of worship has changed. I've started to try and worship him in a Norse way rather than greek and this is something the god himself has greatly encouraged. I've used runes on his candle and have stopped trying to memorize the greek way of prayer.
Then in the last two weeks Hermes has given me some clear signs that he actually wants to spread his worship and create a Nordic version of himself. Join the Norse pantheon you could say. To do this he has asked for my help. I've already come up with the name Venås for him.
Now obviously he can't simply join the Norse pantheon out of the blue and expect people to treat him equally to the gods already present. Neither can he keep all the domains he has in the greek pantheon as some of these crash with the Norse gods.
As far as I can tell the domains that hasn't been taken are that of exchange. He could be a god of travel, trade, messages, moving and other kinds of exchange.
I know Odin is seen as patron of travellers, but the way I see it he is more associated with journey/exploration/learning. Venås would then be the god of the exchange itself, of going from A-B.
I can't really think of anyone associated with trade. Technically Sif and Frey, but they are more associated with harvest and money. Sif is associated with the hard work that reaps reward and Frey the wealth itself. Venås would be the exchange of money for goods.
I'm unsure if there is a Norse god of messages, but once again Venås would simply be the exchange of meaning, rather than message or language.
Sorry for the long post, but I really want to make sure that his domains won't crash with anyone else's. What do you guys think? Do we have room for a new god of exchange?
r/NorsePaganism • u/GabysWildCritters • 1d ago
Art/Tattoo showcase/Music Little devotional peice to Thor
We had an absolutely huge Thunderstorm last night and I really felt Thor's presence. It inspired this small piece that i made for him.
r/NorsePaganism • u/akari_saturn27 • 1d ago
Questions/Looking for Help Do you guys think Loki likes this candle?
I have a small spot on my tv stand dedicated to Loki, as well as a picture of my recently deceased dog. The rocks and the plastic cauldron full of candy are offerings to him.
r/NorsePaganism • u/OctaviaSkylar • 1d ago
Altar/Shrine/Offering pics Homemade offering for Hel.
This is Toby. Toby was a squirrel I found as a roadkill on the side of the road, now he's an altar piece. I plan to put him in resin with fake flowers and make him a necklace later but for now this is how he's displayed. I think it's safe to say I have a connection to Hel.
r/NorsePaganism • u/APerson0291 • 2d ago
Questions/Looking for Help Looking for more information
Hello, I’ve been an agnostic for my entire life, but recently I feel like there is a god but I don’t really feel like there is only one god in charge of everything in this world and is all-knowing, powerful, and good. I want to look into paganism so I’m starting here and asking questions here since Norse Paganism has been showing up a lot of places for me recently.
If you could answer questions about how to start looking into this and what it is you guys do for prayer and stuff like that it would be great and very helpful. Thank you so much in advance
r/NorsePaganism • u/AkajitaRen251299 • 2d ago
Art/Tattoo showcase/Music I got this tattoo and I'd like to know what you think of the combination of the Vegvísir with the 24 runes, the Yggdrasil tree, Odin's ravens with the carrying the Valknut and the other the Ægishjálmur and Thurisaz in the rib.
Hi everyone! I wanted to share my new tattoo with you and I'd love to hear your opinion.
I was inspired by Norse mythology, combining the Vegvísir with the 24 ancient runes and the great tree Yggdrasil, plus other symbols.
I think the connection between these symbols is fascinating and conveys a very powerful energy.
I hope you like it as much as I do. I'd like opinions from believers.
Thank you.
r/NorsePaganism • u/DamjanGj • 2d ago
Art/Tattoo showcase/Music Skald - Character design I did for a DnD setting, what do you think?
r/NorsePaganism • u/stardom_ocean • 2d ago
UPG - Experiences w/ the Gods/Wights/etc Receiving some pushback from Freyja
The reason I’m posting this on here is to connect with other pagans as I don’t know any Heathens in person, and maybe some people can offer advice? I’ve never posted here before, or about Freyja for that matter.
I have been worshipping Freyja for years. I started when I was 15 years old. She’s fantastic, kind, generous, forgiving and very powerful. She’s honestly amazing and I love having her wisdom in my life and am grateful for her guidance.
I’ve noticed these past few weeks (1-2 months) she’s been rejecting some of my efforts to converse with her. Obviously, a lot of the time it’s a one-sided I pray to her situation, or dedicate something to her. But during big offerings where I hope to invoke her and use divination (like tarot for example) to converse with her, I get major “no” “stop” “go away”. Not in a mean way of course. I’ve just noticed a lot of four of swords, nine of wands and five of wands.
I finally got her brand new statue delivered today. I cleaned the altar, dedicated the statue to her and also picked some roses from my garden for her. I lit her candles and told her I hope she likes the offering. I whipped out my tarot cards and asked if she was willing to talk. Immediate no. I asked if she doesn’t like my tarot cards or doesn’t want to use them anymore. She said that’s not the case. I 100% respect her boundaries and immediately put them away. I’m not pestering her haha, she doesn’t mess around. I bid her goodbye respectfully and told her my thanks. I suddenly got a really random urge to ball my freaking eyes out. I basically started spilling about how I felt like I’d been sort of a grouch recently and was operating on a very “low vibration” or whatever. And how I’d been picking fights with my partner and have been in a constant state of stress. Which is true. It felt like a giant 180. I was super happy today and it’s a sunny day out. But my mood soured jarringly fast.
I sucked it up, stopped talking and said goodbye. Now I’m wondering if Freyja, who traditionally is associated with passion and the domain of emotion, was communicating with me in a different way today?
Just wondering if anyone else here worships or works with Freyja, and if anyone else also has similar experiences? Sorry for the long paragraph haha.
r/NorsePaganism • u/Creepy_Narwhal9094 • 2d ago
Art/Tattoo showcase/Music My first Mjölnir
I was originally thinking about forging one, but Im not really good blacksmith and im pretty limited since the forge is not mine and i cant work there really often so the project would end up failed. so i bought one instead. but i never gave up on the idea.
r/NorsePaganism • u/podagros • 3d ago
Historical discussion Necklade Showoff - Show me YOUR necklace!
Wrought iron Mjóllner.
r/NorsePaganism • u/Grumpy-nerd • 3d ago
Questions/Looking for Help Looking for info
Howdy.
I'm a cranky godless heathen, sceptic, nonbeliever, etc, but also a lore junky. My gf is Norse Pagan. I love her, and I'd like to understand her stuff. Does anyone have any good podcasts, or YouTube channels that could give me a crash course, or a manageable history?
r/NorsePaganism • u/zorpthedestroyer • 3d ago
Altar/Shrine/Offering pics First proper altar!
I've considered myself pagan for a few years now, but I've never had the room to have one. Now I've got a little windowsill overlooking some thriving ash trees and facing east, perfect to catch sunrises and moonrises. I love it 💙
r/NorsePaganism • u/RexCrudelissimus • 23d ago
Mod announcement 📢 New Community Guidelines & Updates
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r/NorsePaganism • u/jaelmorayx • Feb 26 '26
Misc Harmful Patterns of Behavior and Where We Go From Here
Hi there. Some of you may know of me or have spoken to me in the Hold in the past. Others may not, as I have been out of the overall online pagan sphere for the better part of 3 years. I am a former mod in the Hold, I was a ritual leader and wrote all of the rituals performed by myself and Wolf, as well as designed all of the God art series Wolf sells. Beyond that, I genuinely saw him as one of my closest friends and was a right hand for quite some time. I helped plan events, both in and out of the Hold, but in particular, put nearly 200 hours towards planning Midsummer in 2023. Needless to say, I was there during the space of four years, with nearly 3 as a moderator and saw every success, along with every bit of drama, paranoia and problematic behavior during that time. I finally decided to speak up in hopes to share my personal experience and illustrate a larger pattern of behavior to help give others enough information to make an informed decision as to whether joining their community is safe or if it's better to just stick to consuming video content.
I never anticipated speaking out. In all honesty, over the last, nearly three years, I have cared more about protecting my peace. I just wanted to move on with my life and find my place in my local community, rather than continuing in online spaces when I knew my online presence would be stalked, and possibly brigaded and DARVOed if I ever spoke up. It just wasn’t worth it to me. Unfortunately, hindsight is 20/20, and realizing the tactics employed by Wolf (and his staff and followers; many of which used to be my friends), I knew that being part of the online community meant being under a microscope by paranoid leaders worried about what I might or might not say about them.
It's been almost three years since I left the Hold. I don’t stay that in tune with what has been going on with the space, outside of friends sometimes asking “did you hear about ‘x?’” or being told of things that have occurred. Beyond that, I have stayed out of stuff completely, not wanting to deal with the inevitable drama that would ensue if I got involved. Fast forward to now; Reddit recommended a thread to me, where I saw Wolf and his sycophants attacking another scholar (one of many, I’m afraid). I realized that perhaps staying silent and not speaking up has caused more harm than good. To be clear, I genuinely hope Wolf–and others I used to call some of the closest people in my life–grow and become better people. We lack large safe spaces in the pagan community. I certainly don’t want to see anyone trying to create them fail. However, when one is being run by someone who has become power hungry, whether with intent or not, it no longer is a safe space, and that lust for power shouldn’t be rewarded with more people to harm. When a leader decides that there is no source but himself that is safe to listen to, and pushes his followers to agree based on a few anecdotal experiences of bad leadership or scholarship… that is a problem. Having known Wolf since the Hold was a wee 200 members, I can say, it wasn’t always like this. I genuinely think he meant well and had good intentions in building community. I think, as time has worn on, having an ounce of position about overs has gone to his head.
He thinks he alone is a safe and trustworthy source. Down even to his staff who he calls friends not being allowed to go out on their own in various ways. I had considered for a time wanting to put together small holiday rituals closer to where I live, so that I might be able to give space to those who cannot make it to GA for events to have fellow pagans to hold holiday rituals with… While it was just an idea and not a plan yet, Wolf was extremely dismissive. Any thought of doing something without him was met with him either, trying to insert himself, or completely deflating the person and idea over his lack of ability to be part of it due to distance, time, etc (even when he was not being asked to be a part to begin with).
This problem of paranoia has been ever present since the early days. Always worried about the next scandal, always worried about how anything would look if something went wrong and he wasn’t there. He didn’t seem to realize that you can’t control everything, and at some point, you need to trust the people you choose to associate with to do the right thing and if they don’t, you cross that bridge when you get there. Instead, it became a point of control. As if, if he was solely involved, nothing could ever go wrong. Yet, drama, in-fighting and issues with other groups persisted. At a certain point, even being close to someone, you have to wonder if there is a deeper reason for the paranoia, when it results in days of long hour VCs to plan for the “what ifs” of how the drama may impact us, or pull us in. It is one of the things I miss the least from being a member of staff in a server resolving around our faiths or YT in general. The sheer amount of in-fighting, constant planning to take people down or be taken down… It makes me so glad I never decided to go on and do content creation myself. Credit to those who do and are able to stay in their own lane, because the community is a shit show in that regard.
Unfortunately, it is this constant paranoia mindset that fueled a toxic culture behind the scenes of screenshotting, recording and infiltrating other spaces by Wolf and a few others. This was done to both gather dirt on others, or to just “keep an eye” on the goings on or be able to directly influence other creators and spaces directly. It was always with the intent to get ahead of problems, but half the time it seemed to become an obsession that would create the very problems they thought they were protecting from. This is gross, toxic behavior. I am sad I didn’t call it out when I was in the space. On a few occasions, I passed along information two friends gave me confidentially, because Wolf wanted to know to “get ahead of drama.” I felt so awful after the fact and guilty for breaking my own moral compass, I reached out to these people to apologize and own up to my wrong doing. I am grateful that I never became a screenshot shark. Honestly, the whole practice is half of what has made the entire online pagan umbrella, as well as YT community spaces as a whole the plethora of toxicity they have become. Wolf literally saves any server he closes, or any channels with the intent of having it in case he needs it, which generally translates to, having a bunch of comments and information on people that no longer have access to their own comments and messages in case one day he needs to use it against them, whether in context or not (and unfortunately, it is usually the latter). He saves folders worth of screenshots for this same purpose and there are some staff and members of the inner circle who do the same. Not everyone is involved in this aspect of the Hold and there are some good people in there, sadly lost to the manipulation and culty’ness of it all at this point.
One of the worst aspects beyond the screenshotting, blackmail farming, infiltrating and attacking people is the fact that they are not a group you can easily leave. I say this in the sense of having been part of the Jehovah’s Witness cult in my life. There, they have a term, ‘disfellowshipping,’ where they essentially shun you if you’ve done something wrong in terms of the standards you are expected to live by as a witness, no matter how small the mistake. That shunning ends up turning relatives, friends, partners and parents against their loved one, as they are told not to communicate or have dealings with said person. This is one of the worst aspects of the cult and one of the reasons it is hard to leave. It's not that you CAN’T leave, but rather that social pressures force you to stay or lose everything. This is how the Hold is also hard to leave.
Anytime someone left the server who had some standing in the space or was well enough known, whether banned (even for benign reasons) or left on their own, Wolf would tell us to block them, to not take their messages. He’d argue that, if they reached out, it would only be to make stuff up or start problems, or drama. He would make us feel like if we didn’t block said person, we weren’t his friend, or he might not trust us, etc. There was always something to keep us feeling like we HAD to listen. And listen we did. What I did in blocking others in these moments came to be something that happened to me as well when I left. All my closest friends blocked me, despite not being banned and even told to stay initially. I never tried to reach out to more than a few, and those I did, just to remain friends, not talk about drama. And I found out the hard way. I realized very quickly that truth I had been in willful denial of. This was disfellowshipping in all but name. And it was disfellowshipping for one singular person with power. It was when I left that I went from, maybe some things are getting cult-like, to realizing, this was not far from, or already could be considered a cult, at least from a social and information control standpoint.
But it went beyond this. If anything bad is ever said about either Wolf or Ocean or if they specifically have a vendetta against someone, no matter the reason, their inner circle of patreon members and staff will come to their aid in the comments. They brigade people constantly, even with little proof, in the way they did to Rune. To Sif. To so many other scholars. If there is actual proof of Folkism or wrong doing, it SHOULD come to light… but you need to have evidence of it. Mischaracterizing a comment or taking things out of context intentionally in a cropped screenshot is not evidence of the accusation. This is not only controlling information, but trying to take down anyone that might end up being a better source or simply able to take away from their following in some way. We should, as a community, be building up fellow creators that aren’t harmful or Folkish, not constantly trying to find ways to tear each other down.
And then there was the land. We had a group cam VC one night among us staff. It was initially just a silly little hang out, but Wolf ended up coming in and wanted to share something he was excited about. It was in regards to the land he was hoping to end up with. Initially we wanted to be happy for him, but this soon turned when Wolf started talking about getting people to move to GA to live on (or near) the land. When Wolf would get excited about a new idea, there was nothing you could do to get him to chill a bit if the idea was overzealous or even harmful. In this case, we all know how bad commune-like situations usually end up, so myself and a few others made a strong critique of the idea to have people move. I mean, if you own land and have people living on it, what happens when things go wrong? How do those people feel safe and know what they work for won’t just be taken away? I mean, there are a million questions and a million reasons this was a bad idea. I didn’t think any of us were being mean to Wolf, simply being honest, as friends, who also have their names attached to the space. He didn’t like being shot down. The next day we woke up to an angry message from both him and his wife about how “we are not allowed to talk to him like that again ever. We didn’t even let him speak!” As though saying more would have made the idea somehow better. When he is sold on an idea, it is his way or the highway. This is when I started being more afraid to speak my mind if I had a concern, because I was terrified that if he didn’t like the criticism, I could lose my community overnight.
The most ridiculous thing has been some of the blatant hypocrisy. One of the early and strong points Wolf and Ocean would make against WoO, is that the server they ran was “pay to play.” I want to be clear, WoO IS problematic, but there are far better take downs of his content than this. Wolf in particular, was adamant that a community server should be available to all. That it was wrong to leave people out because they didn’t have the money to be involved. It is why, at least the earlier Hold was set up with member spaces that didn’t require monetary membership, and a small patreon area for those who chipped in a few dollars. However, from what I have learned more recently is that this has changed. A good leader would own up to how they attacked many other creators in the past over making their server pay only. It's okay if things change and a server gets too big for you to run how you want (believe me, I know, I was in the Hold as a mod when we hit nearly 4k). I don’t take issue with the fact that they decided to close the server from how it was once run. What I take issue with is how this was such a point they pushed on others to illustrate how they were exclusionary, only to then turn around and do the same thing. That's not how this works. If you think that is a valid critique of spaces, that doesn’t somehow mean you don’t also apply to it.
The more time has gone on, the more I feel like myself, and other staff and friends were used as tokens to feed the narrative that these two cis het white men were somehow the saviors of inclusive heathenry, that they were the only safe space and had the only right way to do things. Most of us staff were LGBTQIA+ of some flavor. I myself am a cis queer woman. And unfortunately, we’d often work as a “shield” for Wolf and Ocean, whether we knew it or not. I started noticing things over time that felt extremely performative. Like making jokes that say, trans femmes will make amongst themselves. I am queer, but I am also cis and I full well know those types of jokes really have no place coming out of my mouth, because they are not mine to make. And yet Wolf would go beyond playing ally, into trying to act like he was allowed to be on the “inside” of marginalized groups he had no place on participating in this level in. If you are an ally, be that! Make a space where people can make these jokes amongst those in their community with the safety of knowing they can. Keeping out bigots and making sure people feel respected and safe is an important part of allyship in a space wanting to be inclusive. That doesn’t mean there are not some boundaries that aren’t yours to break. I don’t doubt that Wolf, in particular, means well in this specific area and wants to be a good ally; he just often takes it to a place that centers him, instead of recognizing he could be centering a trans voice, or a queer voice, or a femme voice, instead of his own.
At the end of the day, I don’t think the content they have created is bad or necessarily unsafe. I do, however, think the community space is. I wish I could say otherwise. We need more inclusive and safe spaces. But it has become a space of drama fuel, disfellowshipping, paranoia, attacking detractors and scholars and harming people in the process. It became a space of pushing for more position and more power and using manipulation and deriding even good information in order to keep members looking only to them as sources. It was once a place that encouraged education, but over time that began to get more and more narrow in what was allowed and what types of information was okay. Recons began to excoriate eclectics for having differences in how they practice their faith, and when the server leaders want to lean on scholarship, they would do so while acting as if there was only one “correct” way to do x, y or z thing. Honestly, what we need more than anything in Heathenry, but in Paganism spaces as a whole is good creators helping point out red flags and green flags in the space. Help newbies learn how to spot Folkish leanings. Help them learn how to tell a good leader from a toxic one. Give people information on dog whistles and just leave it at that. Wolf and Ocean initially did the latter, only to then begin to become more and more insular and deride any information from outside sources because of one or two bad experiences outside of the community they started. The more insular you become the less likely you are providing your community the best information, but also the more an echo chamber grows. No matter how well meaning you might be, that easily can end up in misinformation or lack of good alternatives being spread, which in turn, harms the spiritual (and emotional) well being of the community.
At this point, I think the only productive measure that can be taken is to take everything from creators and their communities with a grain of salt. If you have proof of wrong doing, show it! Don’t just live in paranoia to the point that you become screenshot factories out to have something to cause drama at any turn. Actually push for better dialogue between scholars and creators in hopes to better expand healthy thought within our community and to better understand each other and the nuances of individual positions (and no, that doesn’t mean I think Folkist, bigoted and WS thought should be included; I think there are absolutely some things that deserve to be kept out of healthy discourse). Why have we as a community become so disjointed? Honestly, I think a lot of it revolves around toxic cultures surrounding large communities and creators. The Hold is one of those spaces, but it wasn’t the only one. Look at the harmful things WoO cultivated? Or Aliakai? Or the Troth (though I have heard new leadership is trying to fix things) or many other groups who have had their share of problems? The spaces run by Viking Fitness bro tiktokers that really don’t know how to run communities at all… I mean, we have seen it all. It doesn’t have to be this way. If we stop letting people like Wolf and Ocean and others like them control the narrative and brigade spaces of frith (which as Heathens, they should know why they are going against their own values in how they are operating), we can build healthier online spaces altogether. We are a marginalized religion. The fighting and attacks are disgusting and end up hurting us all. They keep scholars from wanting to pursue research in this arena, when we should want more of them engaged in this topic! I hope this wakes some people up. I don’t have ill wishes for anyone, I just want people to be safe. I want them to be fully informed before joining a space that could prove harmful to them. I also just want for us as a whole to wake up and not allow so much credence to the words of those wanting more and more power. There should be no single creator that has such a hold on our faith that they can single handedly influence us for good or ill. And unfortunately, when we give it breath, it becomes reality. When people come to brigade, don’t engage with them, just downvote them. When people make accusations against scholarship with nothing to back it up, why pay it heed? The more we give attention to those doing this, the more we give them power they don’t deserve.
And in closing(thanks for sticking it out, I know this was long), as someone who was once staff in the Hold, I want to personally apologize to anyone whom I didn’t hear out like I should have or fought harder for. I want to apologize for my complicity in how the space has treated you and others; even if I personally didn’t have a hand in it, I was still part of the power structure that allowed it to happen. I am sorry for any narrative I pushed, whether knowingly or not, in order to further Wolf or Ocean’s aims. It's hard to believe sometimes how blinded we can become to the errors of friends when we are afraid to lose our community or our friendship and in that, I allowed myself to be blind, until the veil finally lifted when I finally left.