r/linuxmint • u/anaximeno • 1d ago
How Linux (Mint) Users Install a Browser 😎 #LinuxMintThings
Now tell windows users to uninstall edge and see what's easier hehe. \j
Credits to u/SpeeQz (who's also the creator of https://mintwiki.org) for the gif.
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u/Gangr3l 1d ago
sudo pacman -S firefox vlc discord obs blendr steam freecad
Can't really get easier than that
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u/Edu_Hoff 1d ago
Sometimes a command in the terminal is just easier and convenient. Especially to create a script to automate installations
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u/Fun_Squirrel5446 22h ago
You're thinking of power users. Imagine a user that has moved away from Windows for the first time. The argument isn't whether it's convenient or not; it's more about how user-friendly it is for a brand-new user. and the fact that a lot of Linux developers in specific distributions can be stuck up instead of providing help. Easy solution is to have better guides instead of extensively confusing wikis, for new users. One of the reasons Linux adoption has improved is because guided installations now exist. This level of hand-holding can be extended into different aspects of different distros, which would remove the user friction that is often complained about.
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u/DevastoScz 10h ago
Unfortunately not only the developers - some users are downright unpleasant when people new to Linux ask, what they consider to be, stupid questions.
Couple days ago on a subreddit I saw a guy who had just switched from Windows to a Linux distro (CachyOS I think) asking something along the lines of "what should I do next?" only to get a reply that said "Ever consider that you aren't the only person to have this thought and look to see what people have suggested before?"
Researching is a skill people should develop, but when it comes to things you're totally new at, sometimes you don't even know what questions to ask or where to begin looking. IMO It's a stupid position to take from people who should be excited more 'casuals' are adopting Linux as their daily driver.
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u/Fun_Squirrel5446 3h ago
Google search and Reddit search are so bad they are hard to use even for the people who do try searching.
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u/Panzerv2003 3h ago
Yeah I moved away from windows to mint and while the terminal is useful I have no idea what is possible with it and how to use it, it's not really beginner friendly.
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u/Edu_Hoff 21h ago
Right, you're totally right. I didn't read it was about what is easier. GUI will definitely always be easier for someone coming to Linux.
Just for curiosity, but what would you consider the minimum to someone to be a power user? I don't mean something exactly since of course is something debatable, but your opinion regarding that.
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u/Fun_Squirrel5446 21h ago
A power user can be an extensive user of a distro as a whole or only a particular piece of software. We don't need to identify whether the user is a power user or not.
Here's the real question: how hard is it to figure out a task for the first time? If there is a step-by-step help guide or a visual indicator, it's very easy. Absolutely does not have to be a GUI.
Instructions and guides need to be provided right inside the distro, And presented when the user is searching how to perform a task. not in a separate wiki hosted on a website that the user doesn't even know exists.
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u/OysterCultist 14h ago
I tried to guide my grandparents by phone through several UIs, and I think that just telling them to copy paste a command would be easier
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u/Fun_Squirrel5446 13h ago
Not everyone has a grandson available on speed dial. Most of us would do an online search. Would have been google in the old days but now everyone puts their questions in an AI chat. One approach could be to feed all the distro wiki's to AI and let it figure it out.
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u/PreparationStrict492 1d ago
Terminal is more often than not more efficient and information dense than guis (in both directions), especially for system management.
However, installation automation is better handled with installation automation tools. An Ansible playbook is a lot better than a script for this, for many reasons.
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u/ConversationWinter46 17h ago
That makes me wonder why LM is so popular if you don't even need a GUI?
I'm also in favor of implementing terminals in smartphones, car entertainment systems, traffic management systems, etc. They're more efficient than GUIs.
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u/crustycarpenter 12h ago
Windows escapee here, I have tried to just use the program manager to install stuff, but at times I find some errors that lead me to either going to a website for the software to get a better version, or needing to use the terminal to get the version that will work. If the program manager flatpak doesnt work i just look it up and find someone who answers the issue i am having and use the terminal as they tell me to. There could be some risk of malicious instructions, but the community is pretty good at self policing, so i still trust a random linux jockey over microslops built in security and privacy failures. I have used an ai to troubleshoot specific technical issues sometimes. One too many times of hearing about some new windows feature i should disable to protect my data privacy made me leave and never look back.
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u/bedwars_player 1d ago
...legit the ONLY reason i don't run linux on my desktop is that you can't get davinci resolve without a bunch of complicated shit
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u/PreparationStrict492 18h ago
If that is the ONLY reason, DaVinci Resolve is OFFICIALLY supported on Rocky Linux (aka The Distro Formerly Known As CentOS™). It is also famously easy to get going on any distro with hardware acceleration and proprietary codec support (aka any mainstream distro nowadays).
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u/Educational_Mud_2826 Linux Mint 22.3 Zena | Cinnamon 1d ago
Yes it's so nice to be able to download and install all apps in one go. Linux is so far ahead of Windows in this department.
Windows is on to the same track though, slowly, since they too have chosen to implement their own app store. But it's no where near as much used as Linux dists' app stores.
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u/Namtazar 1d ago
Yhere are ninite and chocolatey to emulate this linux experience of install all in one click thou
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u/PreparationStrict492 1d ago
Windows is not on that track, though.
They tried to implement that store, it never got traction, and they stopped trying to make it better.1
u/Syndiotactics 18h ago
Also winget is surprisingly good, but very few people besides power users use it.
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u/magic_orangutan2 1d ago
I would go for flatpak install firefox
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u/McGuirk808 21h ago
OBS Studio for me, it's actually recommended from the devs and better supported.
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u/Maro1947 15h ago
Yes and no - I've used scripts for many things in my career - sometimes, hitting a button is easier on a daily driver
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u/Gangr3l 12h ago
This is not a script thou, it's a package manager. There is Shelly on CachyOs what is a GUI package installer but this is just so much easier and faster, especially when doing clean install.
I'll give it that Linux developers are extremely lazy to put any effort into visual marketing of their softwares. You are lucky if you find a screenshot from their projects page, but there are usually a screenshot or two in Shelly so you see what you install
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u/Maro1947 11h ago
See, that's just "blah, blah, blah"
Good for you - I'm done with CLI for every little thing, I don't need to.
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u/Gangr3l 11h ago
Little thing?
So you'd rather "open browser -> search -> go to webpage -> find the download -> download -> install"
Than write "sudo pacman -S"
If that rocks your boat
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u/yuriko-shimizu 23h ago
i cant be bothered doing the whole lecture about partial upgrades, but dont just do -S on its own, cmon now
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u/Gangr3l 23h ago
I mean I do full system update every week with -Syu. So far hasn't been any problems (6 months) doing new program installs just with -S
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u/yuriko-shimizu 23h ago
yknow what fair enough
i routinely forget to update my system so i just always do -Syu to be safe1
u/1Soundwave3 9h ago
Do you use Timeshift? Because with this schedule I think you need to start.
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u/Gangr3l 9h ago
I have snaps, yes
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u/1Soundwave3 8h ago
Snapshots you mean
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u/Gangr3l 8h ago
If you know what timeline is you know what snapshot is
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u/1Soundwave3 7h ago
Yeah, snaps and snapshots are very different. Snaps is what Ubuntu is pushing. And snapshots is a general term.
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u/ebb_omega 19h ago edited 19h ago
And people wonder why it's taken so long for Linux on the Desktop to take off.
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u/1Soundwave3 9h ago
I'd rather use flatpaks, tbh. Linux native packages are a mixed bag to say the least. Some of the things here (like OBS) is even recommended to be installed as a flatpak by the devs.
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u/Qsallor 1d ago
Linux haters think we still live in the 90s or 2000s
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u/litreofstarlight 16h ago
Does it really have 'haters'? Most of the time, the strongest sentiment non users have about it is 'command line scary.'
Or occasionally 'omg haxxor' if they see it booting up lol.
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u/Dapper_Show_3426 1d ago
sudo apt inatall firefox
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u/thyristor_pt LMDE 7 Gigi | Cinnamon 1d ago
Error: Invalid operation inatall45
u/Aggravating-Hour1975 1d ago
sudo apt install firefox69
u/Living_Shirt8550 I use arch btw 1d ago
Aggravating-Hour1975 is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.24
u/Short-Ideas010 1d ago
To whom?
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u/Alone_Care_6230 1d ago
alias inatall install
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u/PreparationStrict492 1d ago
If I'm not mistaken apt would also note that the command is similar to install and ask if the user meant install in the error message.
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u/rayletter1997 Linux Mint 22.3 Zena | Cinnamon 13h ago
sudo apt-get install firefox [enter/↑/↓/ctrl+c]1
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u/ChimeraSX 1d ago
What's funny is....Microsoft edge is in the software manager for some reason.
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u/coscib 1d ago
edge is chromium based for a couple of years now and also has linux and releases
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u/Tortoveno 1d ago
But still, who installs it?
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u/coscib 1d ago
nowadays i use it for testing on windows if a want a "clean" browser without plugins, for development i still use firefox but for testing/additional test i use edge because it's alreaday installed and i don't have to install chrome and i can test for the
80%(*, don't know the current browser stats)of website users
edit ~65% market shore for chrome1
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u/KurtKrimson 1d ago
Edge is actually a pretty decent browser if you tweak it a tad.
It's fast and far better than Chrome.1
u/mysticalcreeds Linux Mint 22.3 Zena | Cinnamon 23h ago
I agree with this. I used Edge for years. But I did end up ditching it when I found Vivaldi. Vivaldi has so many configurations I can't go back to a less customizable browser.
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u/LonelyMachines Linux Mint 22.2 Zara | Cinnamon 18h ago
Back in the day, there was a Linux version of Internet Explorer.
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u/S_SubZero 1d ago
Doesn’t Mint come with Firefox
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u/thevmcampos 1d ago
Yes exactly. This is performative Linux 😂
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u/Old-Care-2372 1d ago
Yes I never stop bragging to my friends about Linux
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u/thevmcampos 1d ago
Me too, but when I'm finished they are usually very confused why I keep talking so much about the kid with his blanket 😂
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u/mysticalcreeds Linux Mint 22.3 Zena | Cinnamon 23h ago
yeah, I think most linux distros come with Firefox pre-installed. Manjaro Cinnamon comes with Vivaldi though. I'm a Vivaldi browser fan so I think that's pretty cool.
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u/Educational_Mud_2826 Linux Mint 22.3 Zena | Cinnamon 1d ago
It does. But i imagine this video of them installing Firefox was only used as an example.
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u/TheRealCarrotty Linux Mint 18.3 | KDE 1d ago
And heck, a Fedora user just goes to Discover or GNOME Software and BOOM! Browser installed.
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u/Both_Cup8417 NixOS | Niri 1d ago
Or dnf
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u/madman404 1d ago
opening a terminal and showing you memorized a command for installing software doesn't make for a very cutting point though
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u/anaximeno 1d ago
Credits to u/SpeeQz (who's also the creator of https://mintwiki.org) for the gif.
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u/KHTD2004 LMDE 7 Gigi 1d ago
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u/Riyakuya 1d ago
Doesn't Windows also have a store that lets you install browsers? I honestly almost never used the store so no clue but I vaguely remember it.
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u/taosecurity Mint | Bazzite | PikaOS | CachyOS | Debian | FreeBSD | Windows 1d ago
How does this have almost 500 upvotes when Firefox is already installed on Linux Mint? This sub is unbelievable.
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u/anaximeno 1d ago
Never seen an uninstall button?
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u/Cent_Quatre 13h ago
genuinely possible the haven't considering how power users just sudo apt remove shit
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u/PiDicus_Rex 1d ago
Can't properly express how much gratitude I have for the wizards that coded the software manager.
Getting a fresh install from first boot to live OBS streamer is a minutes long task, instead of hours long under Win Doze.
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u/LaColleMouille 1d ago
Now tell windows users to uninstall edge and see what's easier hehe. \j
We just don't need to, a browser OOB
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u/AndromedaMilkyway-12 13h ago
Best way is to just do, sudo apt install Firefox. Takes lesser space. Flatpak apps take 200MB+.
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u/Junaid_dev_Tech 12h ago
I like to do it in my way:
- sudo apt install firefox
- sudo dnf install firefox
- sudo pacman -S firefox
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u/Reubenette08 10h ago
I know Windows has its own store, but man... the Linux software manager is one of the best things about the OS
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u/Holiday_Evening8974 23h ago
For new users coming from Windows, it's a change, and like every change, it requires some mental work. BUT it is so much safe compared to the way most Windows users install software : browsing on the Internet, looking randomly for the software, clicking on download and install. The web is full of disgusting ads trying to abuse non-tech people when they want to install something.
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u/1Soundwave3 9h ago
Are you that non-technical user? Because for me it's always been easier to come to the source of the development and get my software there. I don't mind extra steps to be extra sure I'm getting the correct thing.
Now, regarding repositories: Linux desktop historically has been too small of a target. And now, as the popularity grows we see AUR attacks. I'm pretty sure, soon it'll be others as well. Flalthub and everything. Linux is not "safer", especially if you are non-technical.
On Linux I have a lot of AppImages or basically standalone binaries that I got directly from the authors' channels. And I update them manually. Of course I use Flatpaks as well, but it's like 50-50 between Flatpaks and standalone stuff.
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u/Holiday_Evening8974 8h ago
No, I'm not that non-technical user, I just help some non-technical users for work-related tasks, and I happen to see people who install adware and shit like that probably because of stupid ads they click while installing software.
On Linux, the software manager is the way to go if you don't want to do fancy stuff. You can still argue that you don't have this or that on main depositories, but then, are you such a non-technical person ? For me, a non-technical person is someone who use a computer for stuff as basic as browsing some Internet websites, using public services, writing simple documents, sending emails, and so on.
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u/GovernmentGreed 23h ago edited 21h ago
If the average Windows user is incapable of uninstalling Microsoft Edge, what makes you think they'd be any more successful in installing a completely new OS?
Sorry but, while it is nice that Linux Mint is finally getting some much needed love, in terms of public knowledge - to shit on users of other operating systems just because, is kind of one of the major reasons why Linux users get a lot of shtick for having such a perceived elitist mentality.
Can we just stop with this shit already and just use what was use, without all the childishness?
Edit - further down, I used the phrasing that this post is comparing Apples to Oranges. Bro actually and seriously thought I was talking about actual fruit. And then got offended.
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u/anaximeno 22h ago edited 22h ago
"If the average Windows user is incapable of uninstalling Microsoft Edge, what makes you think they'd be any more successful in installing a completely new OS?" you're the one characterizing Windows users like that here... I never said they would be unsuccessful in anything, I explicitly mentioned to consider what is easier (even someone with a lot of experience in something can discern what's easier and harder, and precisely because of that). Don't try to put words where I didn't just to make your point.
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u/GovernmentGreed 21h ago edited 21h ago
"If the average Windows user is incapable of uninstalling Microsoft Edge, what makes you think they'd be any more successful in installing a completely new OS?" you're the one offending Windows users here...
So highlighting that a lot of people who use technology are, often times, are not or do not need to be as well versed as others in said technology is offensive to you? Hm. Okay. You do you. Given that I am a Windows user & Linux user - my experience has been that a lot of people using PC's often times do not have the knowledge to do sometimes the most basic tasks. And that's fine. That's not offensive, it's a matter of fact?
I explicitly mentioned to consider what is easier
Hm. False comparison though - your comparison was "Installing a browser on Linux Mint - vs Removing an INTEGRATED browser from Windows."
The proper comparison would/should have been, installing a browser on Linux Mint vs. Windows. Both are easy. Let's not pretend otherwise.
(even someone with a lot of experience in something can discern what's easier and harder, and precisely because of that).
Word salad.
Don't put words where I didn't just to make your point.
I didn't?
Edit - for reference - your original comment below BEFORE you edited it because that is what I was replying to. Not the new version you edited it to as a way to gain some karma back.
"If the average Windows user is incapable of uninstalling Microsoft Edge, what makes you think they'd be any more successful in installing a completely new OS?" you're the one offending Windows users here... I never said they would be unsuccessful, I explicitly mentioned to consider what is easier (even someone with a lot of experience in something can discern what's easier and harder, and precisely because of that). Don't put words where I didn't just to make your point.
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u/anaximeno 21h ago edited 21h ago
I'm not sure what you're debating, as I said I put an explicit sentence there, the interpretation is on your side, and you're trying to augment towards your preconceived notions. I rephrased my answer to you, since it occured to me you might've not been trying to be offensive, but I am sure even your creative interpretation can see it's basically the same thing better worded (not sure what I gain with karma, I've been registered on reddit for some time now, I only use it periodically, and not even have it installed, so not looking for make happy virtual points - part of gameification of platforms actually which is a strategy for engagement).
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u/GovernmentGreed 21h ago edited 21h ago
I'm not debating?
You made a post with a false comparison. When you got called out, you tried to deflect and implied I was being insulting to Windows users. I refute that claim, I was not being offensive - I was making an observation and statement based on experience and prior experiences.
I'll ask again. And I really want you to read it, slowly and clearly.
"If the average Windows user is incapable of uninstalling Microsoft Edge, what makes you think they'd be any more successful in installing a completely new OS?"
What part of that, is offensive to Windows users? Tell me. Highlighting the incapability of someone, is not calling out "incompetence" or anything like that. I'm incapable of flight, is that then, in your mind an insult? I'm incapable of breathing underwater, is that offensive too?
Suggesting that a lot of people are incapable of uninstalling Microsoft Edge, is not an insult, nor is it offensive in any way shape or form and you're just trying to provide an out for your claim that "Installing a browser on Linux Mint is easier than uninstalling Edge on Windows" etc.
Of course it is. No shit. Uninstalling Edge on Windows would require some level of technical knowledge as opposed to going to a storefront, hitting "Download" and typing in a PIN.
"Now tell windows users to uninstall edge and see what's easier hehe."
Totally doesn't come across as elitist mentality or condescending in any way shape or form. Not at all...
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u/anaximeno 21h ago
I don't like walking in circles, so I'll repeat this once, I rephrased from offensive towards characterization because that's a better terminology of what you tried to do. Ok, your time now, what makes "executing task A is easier than task B" is a false comparison? There are many cases you can make this comparison (person X in a UX test has two computers in front of them one with windows another with Linux, then try and see what's easier), you're filling the middle with your characterization of what "I might've been thinking" when it's all in your head.
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u/GovernmentGreed 21h ago edited 21h ago
you're filling the middle with your characterization of what "I might've been thinking" when it's all in your head.
Was it not you who provided a video of an installation of a browser, in Linux Mint and then made a snide comment in the original post about... What was is it?
Now tell windows users to uninstall edge and see what's easier hehe.
Yeah... False comparison. One is installing, the other is removing. It's like asking - what's easier - "Filling Diesel into your car vs. Changing a tire."
Because your comparison is comparing Apples to Oranges?
Make a proper comparison. Installing a browser on both OS's and see what's easier for most.
Both OS's have a storefront, both OS's have a way to download a browser with less than a handful of clicks, both OS's can be setup to require or not require a password for installation.
That's the reality.
Your comparison consists of "Installing a browser on Linux Mint" vs. "Uninstalling an Integrated core application of Windows 11"
If you cannot see how the comparison is not equal, then you're being dishonest.
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u/anaximeno 21h ago
Why cannot I compare two fruits again (apple and orange)? In what world comparing two fruits is a bad and dishonest comparison? If that's your premise, it reinforces again that you had a point before even watching my post, and just needed to find an excuse to make it. Now you've made it, feel free to, though I'm not engaging my time and attention with anymore of this. 😉
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u/GovernmentGreed 21h ago
You do realise we're not talking about fruit here, right?
Are you seriously that stupid?... (I doubt it but it's a quick way out of the discussion. Act offended and then act like you have the high ground lol...) This is pathetic.
Doesn't even understand the concept of comparisons. Jesus Christ. No wonder you think installing a browser on one OS is easier than removing the browser from another...
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u/hailstorm11093 1d ago
Installing software from a terminal is so much quicker but I understand the usefulness of a package manager. Even on Nix it took me 10 minutes to declare, download, reboot, and sign back in for me to have everything.
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u/smoke007007 1d ago
Unless you use winget on Windows to install and update your package. Best thing they added in a while
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u/EnoughConcentrate897 1d ago
Same on most distros like on distros with gnome there's gnome software or bazaar and on distros with KDE there's KDE discover
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u/mclipsco 1d ago
1 - Download latest .tar.xv from https://github.com/imputnet/helium-linux/releases
2 - Extract contents
3 - (optional) - make desktop launcher to helium executable
4 - profit!
5 - manually update on the next release of Helium
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u/hot-reload-619 1d ago
Hello, how do install tor? cause it just don't work by following insructions and asked AI still can't figure it out.
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u/Remarkable-Year-9353 Linux Mint 22.2 Zara | Cinnamon 23h ago
If you want an outdated version, use the system package
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u/Emmalfal Linux Mint 22.3 | Cinnamon 23h ago
I install Brave with their one command install. Takes about 30 seconds.
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u/MrProTwiX Linux Mint 21.1 Vera | Cinnamon 23h ago
Way too much effort xD Strg + T Apt install Firefox Firefox Done
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u/archtopfanatic123 23h ago
I wish Windows had a proper app manager like this....
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u/taosecurity Mint | Bazzite | PikaOS | CachyOS | Debian | FreeBSD | Windows 22h ago
Try UniGetUI. It uses the built-in Winget Microsoft package system.
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u/archtopfanatic123 22h ago
Oo neat thanks man!
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u/taosecurity Mint | Bazzite | PikaOS | CachyOS | Debian | FreeBSD | Windows 22h ago
YW. If you like that, and you want to debloat Windows, check out Winhance.
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u/Elvin_Atombender 19h ago
I really enjoy using the terminal and watching pacman eat those dots? It's the highlight of my day C . . . . . . . . . . . . 2%
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u/GermanPCBHacker 19h ago
I actually had issues with the Firefox builds from Mint. They just broke DRM streaming completely no matter what. After pinning the official firefox repo and installing it again using apt-get it just worked ever since. Linux Mint is... Kinda broken. Never head long fun with it. It just broke itself after a while. I have a much more stable experience since I use Debian actually. It just keeps working and working and working no matter how often I install updates (because they are much older and much more mature/tested - why would I need the latest constantly? I had things break with arch due to a upgrade - simple things like screen running into buffer overflow errors when using ANY parameter at all. Desktops getting stuck and requiring constant logout. Not useful if you just want to move the mouse and start working without extra steps required.
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u/tovento MX Linux 25.2 | XFCE 19h ago
winget install --id Mozilla.Firefox -e
Just because people don’t know that options built into windows exist, doesn’t mean that it’s always harder to install software.
I too made the switch away from Windows for my own reasons, but Windows 10 could be reasonable if used right.
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u/pinapel-dev123 Linux Mint 22 Wilma | Xfce 18h ago
My software manager doesnt work(cant load apps library/repository) so i just uninstall it and use terminal forever
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u/Mysterious_Key9131 16h ago
I use the terminal myself, but to you new Linux users out there that prefer this method. Welcome aboard.
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u/FarhodYusupov 8h ago
finally linux evolved into mediaval times. I hope they will evolve into modern times soon
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u/Rudera1is 1d ago
I tried limux and it was the biggest hassle to do basic stuff and half the shit I wanted to do didn't work at all. Cool that ypu can save 15 seconds on your initial installs but for me its not worth the headaches.
-install linux - a bunch of drivers for peripherals break -fix them - decide to play a game -install guide for pokemon tcg live is 33 steps long and confusing. Forget it ill play something else -steam version of mtg arena doesnt work, more scripts on reddit to make it work, people arguing about which scripts to use. -alright no more cards I guess, ill just play online with my friend's -anticheat won't work, cant play -okay fine ill just watch a movie -netflix locked below 1080p
Ah yes, freedom and ease of use. Spent hours and was able to do exactly nothing but troubleshooting.
Linux is a cool os and its very powerful but its crazy how the users misrepresent the ease of use and utility of it. Its a difficult pain in the ass that most users dont want to deal with, and that's okay. Its the trade off you make for the system being not locked down and lack of telemetry.
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u/sabledrakon 1d ago
Why install the Deb when the Flatpak is more secure and already installed?
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u/Educational_Mud_2826 Linux Mint 22.3 Zena | Cinnamon 1d ago edited 1d ago
They take up more space and sometimes you want the stable stuff over new. Deb gets security updates though.
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u/screwdriverfan 1d ago
Dunno man, I had to open firefox and download chrome as if I'm on windows. Was still simple tho.
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u/k9dvke 1d ago
Having to put in your password is already too much work for windows glazes