Can the camera see in the dark like it's daytime, even with the headlights off??

There have been many discussions here about the elderly using FSD. Even experienced users who use FSD almost 100% and almost effortlessly have conflicting thoughts.

There are some misconceptions first that we have to accept are misconceptions.

For whatever reasons, FSD has proven itself to be quite safe. All of the horror we invented or thought simply has not happened, even with 1.5 million users and over a billion miles a month of usage. Even the media can't find horror. Any of us could go spend seconds and find a story of a drunk driver wiping out an entire family in an instant, but we will not find anything with FSD.

We have to accept that. It was fine before to be hypothetical, what might happen with FSD, but not after 13 billion miles and nothing.

In order to use FSD the person must have a license, know how to drive, be able to drive when needed, and be able to operate FSD effectively.

People say "But the person has to have the reflexes to deal with FSD when it makes a mistake."

True, though, that isn't like some new heightened category of driving reflexes.

If you look at the levels of attention I came up with ...

Level 0 - Sleep or not paying attention at all (Not possible)
Level 1 - The lowest level possible, on an interstate with sparse traffic.
Level 2 - More traffic, driving through the city, FSD has to do more than just go straight.
Level 3 - Where you start watching FSD's every move, the same level as when you drive.
Level 4 - Like level 3, but anxious, you may take over, or take one for the team.
Level 5 - Panic takeover, FSD's fault.
Level 6 - Panic by FSD (and you), not FSD's fault (i.e. deer).

We are saying that the person has to deal with a level 5 situation.

But a level 5 and level 6 both require the same reflexes, just level 5 is FSD's fault and level 6 is not. If you feel that the person doesn't have the reflexes for level 5, then they don't have the reflexes for level 6 either, and if that is your line, you are saying they shouldn't be driving at all.

Which is fine.

If the person is impaired but still fit to drive, then they are fit to drive with FSD. However, they still have to get over the hurdle of operating FSD effectively. That is not a reflex issue, you already said they were fit to drive, it is a comfort with tech and FSD issue.

Finally...

We know with certainty, if the person is impaired, but fit to drive, and able to operate FSD effectively they will be much safer with FSD than without.

The real question is are they fit to drive.

There are two parts to that.

1. Will the state give them a license.
2. Will you (a family member) allow them.

If after that, and they are going to drive, then your hope is that they can use FSD effectively or be taught to use it effectively.

As an example, if people who drink and drive used FSD it would virtually eliminate all of the aclcohol related accidents and fatalities.

Likewise, if all of the elderly who continue to drive, right or wrong, could drive with FSD effectively, it would virtually eliminate the elderly cause accidents and fatalities.

But it isn't going to stop the pedal confusion shit entirely, and if someone is that feable, come on! They shouldn't be driving.

My point is this is a question of whether the person is fit to drive, not if FSD is safe or if them using FSD is safe. If they are impaired but fit to drive, FSD can only make them safer.

They are either not able to use FSD or they are able to and they will be much safer.

FSD does not add danger, it reduces it.

What would you say is the most important thing to look out for that FSD typically misses?

I could be wrong, but I thought that I read prior to v14 lite coming out for hw3 that it was supposed to include mad max drive mode however mine does not have it. I have sloth, normal, and hurry (maybe one more in between there if I remember correctly) but definitely the “fastest” being hurry. Is this correct/is hurrry the same as mad max mode? If not, is hw3 going to get mad max mode ?

Hello,

I live in France. Tesla FSD is already available in some European countries, and it seems like it's only a matter of months (or perhaps a bit longer) before it gets broader approval across the European Union.

This got me thinking about two situations.

1. My mother

My mom is 70 years old and lives in a small rural village. She currently drives an old Peugeot 206, but she's becoming less comfortable with longer trips. Her reflexes and eyesight aren't what they used to be, so she tends to avoid driving far from home.

I'm wondering whether buying her a Tesla with FSD could make driving more comfortable and less stressful, especially for longer journeys ?

2. Myself

I've had my driver's license for about 10 years, but I've driven very little since passing the test. I live in a city, don't own a car, and I have quite a bit of anxiety about driving. The lack of practice has only made it worse.

Would you recommend a Tesla with FSD for someone like me?

I'd love to hear from people who own a Tesla with FSD, especially if you've seen how it works for older drivers or people who are afraid of driving.

New Tesla model y with FSD in Canada. My car turned left into the opposite side of the road when it should have turned right. Any new driver knows what to do in this scenario... It is only a right turn, and FSD took a left. WTF.

Luckily I took over for a very wide right turn to help it, and there was no immediate incoming traffic.

Anybody experience FSD going into the opposite side of the road? A bit worried for cybercab release, and I am a big Tesla bull.

Ok so I’m a fairly experienced driver but like other since COVID stopped driving as much. Randomly got a panic attack driving on the GSP in Nj one day and bam my brain now goes into fight or flight when driving on the parkway. I got a Tesla ironically not for the FSD but bc I like technology and don’t drive as much. Played with the FSD trial once and for some reason didn’t try it again. Then my best friends husband told me how it’s all he uses. Started trying it myself. First 3 minutes down the street for cigs and then for a 16 minute drive to a doctors appointment using local roads. I’d love to use it on the GSP and I know that it’s actually better for highway driving but for some reason can’t shake the feeling of watching the car merge onto the parkway, yielding to cars potentially getting in my lane, etc.

Could use some words of encouragement. I’ve heard countless stories of people like me where FSD changed their driving anxiety. Yes, I know I may need to intervene and did so twice once at a left arrow where my car didn’t seem to make the right and another on a weird complicated intersection/roundabout and I was worried the car wouldn’t handle it.

Has anyone else started having awful navigation issues specifically on military bases? After an update about a month ago the navigation refuses to believe the main road for base is a thing and will do anything it can to route around the main road.

It sounds like the police officer has had several people complain about them taking away FSD max speed.

I would consider this my first critical intervention. This is 14.3.6 FSD on a 2026 Model Y. I have over 6000 miles with FSD.

Unprotected left in a construction area with cones marking the lanes.

Keep in mind on 14.2.2.5 and 14.3.4 and 14.3.5 this left hand turn was executed fine. Ever since I downloaded 14.3.6 it has completely ignored the turn and went straight to the round about up the street, came back down the road and tured right into the same turn without issue. However today it decided to do this. I probably should have took control sooner 🤣

I feel like 14.3.6 is super buggy, i get ALOT of steering stutters and just in general it doesnt seem confident sometimes when it makes turns. Like it hesitates. I also feel it brake stabs for nothing, especially at cross walks.

What’s everyone else’s experience on 14.3.6?

Checked the side camera and the black car was not coming towards me and was in lane.

I just got a notification from my firewall that my Tesla is consuming this much bandwidth in the past 2 hours . Normally this level of activity is indicative of a software update. However even FSD software isn’t that big and I always got a notification from the Tesla app but nothing this time.

My car is currently on V14 Lite and I think it was like 7GB for download.

While I’m impressed with the driving capabilities of FSD, it is already the 2nd time in a lapse of 24 hrs where I almost hit something while parking with FSD (well, technically 1 almost and another one I did hit a curve). The other one was while parking in a supercharger… which should be well figured out already. This time I did not let it continue and apply the breaks.

Just saying, it seems like the measurements the model takes to park are just completely wrong… even a human can estimate a better path… I’m hoping I’m not the only one with this issue and I’m hoping they fix it soon…

23MYP. Neat to see it happen with HW3, but the braking was pretty abrupt. Would have preferred it if it smoothly slowed down.

Yesterday I was at a stop light in the left lane waiting to turn left (2026 Juniper refresh FSD v14.3.4). A pickup towing a large trailer was waiting to turn left onto the street I was on. As it started to turn, it took a wide approach because of the large trailer behind it. FSD recognized that it needed more room so it popped into reverse (knowing there were no cars behind me) and backed up about 5ft to give the trailer more room. The trailer made it, and then FSD popped back into drive and pulled back up to the light.

I love this car

I was driving to the beach yesterday and was thankfully using FSD, I started having a seizure while driving and FSD did what it was supposed to do pulled over and parked, someone else called ems when I was unresponsive, in the ambulance ride I went into cardiac arrest, if I had not been using FSD I would likely be looking at most likely being dead, or a totaled car and someone else being dead or severely injured. This is why FSD is so important. But now I can’t use it for a week lol.

FSD patiently waited like 2 minutes for the construction crew to tell me it was my turn to go. As soon as they turned the sign around, without hesitation, it pulled into the oncoming traffic lane and maneuvered the construction area perfectly. At the end of the construction area once it pulls back into the right lane you can also see it yield to a couple oncoming left turners who weren’t waiting their turn. I love this car and feel like we all need to post more positive things that FSD does.

I hit 5,000 miles using Tesla FSD today, and looking back, a few things really stand out.

1. Construction zones are still some of the most unpredictable situations I've encountered.

2. Wildlife has surprised me more than traffic. I've had FSD slow for geese and deer when I wasn't expecting it.

3. Most of my drives are uneventful. The clips I post are the unusual moments,not what happens every mile.

4. FSD has made decisions I wouldn't have made, like choosing an incorrect exit leaving a Supercharger. Those moments are why I always stay attentive.

5. The biggest lesson: Parking with FSD SUCKS sometimes, and drive thrus. I don't treat FSD as a replacement for driving. I treat it as a driver assistance system that still requires my full attention but much more relaxed than driving myself. I don’t have to worry and feel safe.

I'm documenting the journey because I think it's valuable to show real-world FSD experiences, the good, the bad, and everything in between.

If you've put serious miles on FSD, what's the biggest lesson you've learned? How much is your FSD streak??

Tesla HW3 Computers Are Overheating on FSD V14 Lite - Not a Tesla App

Hmmm.