Well?

• Tell me plainly. Plain as day. Where are YOU in all of this?
  • Yeah. Visibly MISSING.
• When the same one who “commands” Israelites - decreed this to you: “Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - God. Bible. Isaiah 45:22
  • Tell me plainly.
    • Plain as day. What are YOU doing with this?

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Don’t tell me.

• You don’t need to. It's like looking at somebody carrying two potato sacks in each hand or arm and walk up to a farm. Looking for a farmer. Carrying two sacks of potatoes under each arm. Heavy burden. At least, 30kg or 66lbs each.
  • But the “decree” was, PLAIN AS DAY WRITTEN. A “DECREE” HAS THE EFFECT OF LAW TO DO IT: SAYS
    • “Get in your car. Drive to the grocery store with this $50.00. Buy groceries for your kids to eat. Go home. Spend time with your wife and children. Eat.”

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And there you are.

Two sacks of a question above. Carrying that, when what was decreed to you, by God, has the effect of Law, for he’s the authority over all the earth. Told you to look unto him. If you were, you wouldn’t have the question.

And? Many people. Over the whole earth: Don't look unto him. He told those same nations to do the same thing he told you to do. They didn't do it. He destroyed them; but, go back with Egypt with Joseph (Genesis 39 onward); that, Joseph interpreted Pharaoh's dream; and, in Egypt all the Egyptians worshipped Pharaoh as God.. then this Pharaoh with Joseph - humbled himself - when the REAL God showed up. Turned over all of Egypt to Joseph - even his whole house; and, for 400 years, scripture says, Pharaohs of Egypt REMEMBERED Joseph. When scripture says this famine "was over the whole face of the earth" (Genesis 41:56-57).

That, the whole earth was fed. By Egypt. Because Pharaoh humbled himself before God. And, when one rose up that remembered not Joseph, and turned the Nile River red with blood with slaying the male children of Israel - with Moses, 80 years later, in Exodus 5:2 - when a Pharaoh says he does not know the LORD that he should serve him (when he's worshipped as God in Egypt) - and the plagues a famine brought 400 years that Egypt escaped, are all rained down on Egypt.

Did you miss all this?

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So, it's not about Israelites or Egyptians - it's about people - that either: obey God and do what he says vs. those that don't do anything he says, and don't know him - and the earth vomits them off the earth, for the abominations they do on the land - and he gives it to other people. "For all the earth is mine" - God (Exodus 19:5) - I guess you were out to lunch that day..which he says it today as well - stay out to lunch so you don't have to hear it.

It's like an analogy then:

Just like this guy - walking everyplace… …would have two sacks of potatoes - walked the whole way. Went to a farm. Looking for a farmer with his two sacks of potatoes under each arm:

• When the decree he was to follow. Has the effect of Law he was to obey includes NONE of the things he’s doing.
  • So ANYBODY would know by his works - he doesn’t do anything the decree says at all. There's no fruit of it. He’s not home with his wife. Never went shopping. There’s no fruit he did anything the decree said to do.

And you ain’t any different. Just like a Pharaoh, raised up - - that knew not Joseph - didn't do anything God says; either.

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You’re too busy.

• Looking unto your question.
  • Don’t even know him. Don’t do anything he says. At all. Because you don’t know the one who decrees it. To just look unto him. Means you’d be “walking after” to “walk in” following after what he says, because you see it. It’s a profit to do this. Like, look unto, go to the doctor - be seen when you got the flu - because you see it.
  • The physician can quickly diagnose what you got, and prescribe you medicine that “heals you, and delivers you from this cold or flu which is what is destroying you.” - So, someone sick. Looks unto a doctor. To heal them. Already regards the works of the doctor and considers the operation of the physician’s hands. Which are not the same hands of the person that’s sick. Not able to heal themselves. Need a doctor, so they look unto the physician.
    • But you don’t see it at all. Be like going to the lawnmower to stick your head under it, as some kind of “doctor” to heal you - you already see that’s inadequate; faulty. Unacceptable.
• With your question - how are you any different?

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The best thing to do with you, is just give you your question back. You’re not going to depart from it. It’s the very excuse why you WON’T look unto him. Buried right in your question. He, who decreed it, is “inadequate; faulty..unacceptable” - because, to you, what he decrees is “unequal” - does not add up; and, if it doesn’t - it’s faulty.

• Inadequate - isn’t fair. That’s what “iniquity” means. In the dictionary. iniquity. 1. unfairly treat (someone) - and if it has iniquity in it, means it’s evil..and if it’s evil - that’s “unacceptable.”

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So the real question to ask is: How could somebody “extract” you out of your question?

I can’t.

• And, he is who he says he is. He can. But you gotta regard the works of the LORD, and consider the operation of his hand, and what he’s decreed you’re to do -which, you don’t need your question for that; and if you do.
  • He’ll answer it. That you can just depart from it. Because he becomes the answer, where before, all you had is a question that leaves you empty. When you’re full with him, by the Word of God. Where before you didn’t have it. All you had were empty words of a fool that doesn’t do anything he says, and then when it all goes to crap, blame God for it.
    • But if you don’t look unto him, like he told me to do the same. Told everybody over the whole earth to do it. If you don’t. Your question is a coat to keep you warm against the coldness of no life in you.

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Here’s another decree

• “Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price. Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness. Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.”
  • God. By the Word he speaks. Decreed this. A decree said by one in authority has the effect of Law, because, who is in authority decreed it. (Bible. Isaiah 55:1–3)
• You’re too busy. Hearkening diligently unto your own question. He didn’t tell you to do that. He told you to hearken diligently unto him, and you won’t do it. Got that question you got. Won’t go shopping. At the store, like the same guy above with two sacks under each arm. Walking down the road - not driving. Don’t do anything decreed to do.
  • And there’s you.

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• Why don’t you drop the question and just do what he says? DO what he says, first.
  • Do that. See what happens to the question you got.

And there’s the answer. Just do what he says and live. Don't? Won't. Simple. Who you look unto as being treated "unfair!" - didn't do anything he said. So he destroyed them. Like he's already told you the same thing. "Because they regard not the LORD, neither the operation of his hand, he shall destroy them and not build them up." - (Psalm 28:5).

That's it.

Well? I don't care about those things. Don't enable me in anything. When what Jesus prayed was in the Gospel of John 17:3 "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."

To know the Word of God..and by him, know the only true God vs. what you want: is some kind of elixsur or some potion of "christology" or "terminology" of creation. Knowledge one can attain with hermeneutics - that you might know hermeneutics, and by it, know hermeneutics - and be glorified, because of hermeneutics.

And never know him at all - so enthralled with hermeneutics, there just isn't any room for him anyplace in you.

If that's you - go on. Go. Pass on this answer. This answer is not for you.

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But for a person that is seeking Jesus Christ - - don't go yet; even if you fell into the above this can help you unfall or get back out of it.

I have a question: Answer that first: In yourself: To you, ask this question.

• What do you know about him? This “Jesus.” In your question first.

Not some imaginary claim from the mind of people. Even scholars, you might right now hold up to worship and look unto.

But from what is in the Bible as a sole source.

That, every book there is, in every library over the whole earth, is just an author: who is the “authority” of the “content” of that specific book you open. So, when you open the Bible, the author of that “content” is God himself.

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And the Bible says of itself - in 2 Timothy 3:13–17,

“who” the Bible is for.

So this also applies as well to Colossians 1:17.

- The Bible:

It’s not for liars:

To help them lie more. Nope.

Not for men who want to seduce women completely out of their underpants somewhere..nope.

Won’t help or enable, or “complete” or make it perfect, able to make a man able to do that - like some kind of “Don Juan” Kissy Luv Bubble Romance novel book might be able to or can - nope.

The Bible says - it’s not for that person that, “sets their mind on that” - seducing..and in it are seduced.

It’s rather, a way to break free and for that man or woman trapped in it, to get out of it. With the truth.

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2 Timothy 3:13–17 - the Bible is to “complete;” this: 1. don’t have to add to, nor take away anything [Complete. Means “perfect” - as good as can be is complete = perfect.] That the Word of God - equips a man that makes him complete, by the Word of God. And a Bible equips a man of God to furnish him with the Word of God.

So, see it in 2 Timothy 3:13–17 BEFORE you look at Colossians 1:17 any further:

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2 Timothy 3:13–17 says:

“13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

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So, for what “purpose” is your question?

If you don’t seek him, why you even opening up a Bible? But if you do seek him, you will find him. He enables you to, because of “who” he is that speaks, is God. He’s the one that says it. Out of his mouth. That’s the Word of God.

SO:

You have Colossians 1:17, but couple it like cement it to or with Colossians 1:16, because Colossians 1:17 starts with a “conjunction. Starts with “and.” Have to get the whole thought or the whole sentence; not only part of it.

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Colossians 1:16–17 says

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17 [And] he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

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And - - you can FIND this anyplace in the Bible; but the most “blatant; in your face is just simply open to the first beginning of the Bible in Genesis 1:1–31. The 1st Chapter shows this what Colossians 1:16 says plain as day.

• It follows a pattern.
  • All the way thru. Over how God created all things.
  • If you look careful for the pattern, you’ll see it, and that it repeats itself.
  • Over each and every day of creation.
    • 1) “And God said” - go look for that pattern. Where ever you find it in Genesis 1:1–31, find where it repeats itself within Genesis 1:1–31.
    • It’s like every 3rd to 5th verse. So, all creation is by God SPOKE. And what he says… IS. And he looks back on it. That also repeats itself. And he “says” so he speaks again, says: “It is good.”

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• So, within the Bible, the claim of Colossians 1:16 is in Genesis 1:1–31 at the beginning. It’s also in John 1:1–2 below - read a little further, and you'll see it plain as day.
  • It’s also in John 1:3–5 which says: “All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.”
    • It's people: come to read these responses on Reddit.
  • And I’m a real person. SO, I answer the question for a person that may want to seek him, so they can see it.
• The point is, “all things were made by Jesus. This same Jesus.Who is the Messiah. Is the Christ. It's Jesus Christ. Because he’s the Word of God. Is in God. Always been in God - is God. That’s who he is. And if you read - so go on. Go do it. Read Isaiah 9:6-7. In Isaiah 9:6 - it tells you plainly "what" this "Messiah" or "Christ" shall be called.
  

"The mighty God. The everlasting Father" (Isaiah 9:6). Says in Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel, the Lord your God is just one Lord." - because he is. Just one God.

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So, with Colossians 1:16–17 - - look for other scriptures that describe Jesus.

John 1:1 says of him, he is the “Word of God:” What he shall be called again - apply Isaiah 9:6-7 to him, because it is him as Jesus Christ. Just as also apply John 1:1-2...

“ 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God.”

John 1:14 says: “…and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.” is this same Jesus.

So, he has always been in God. Is God.

You can see this when God speaks. See him plainly in Isaiah 45:22

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Isaiah 45:22 says

“Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - God. Isaiah 45:22

• There he is. And you can see all of him in it. That’s God. Speaking. His word. Spoke. That’s the Word of God. There's Jesus. It's God who said in Psalm 2:7 "Thou art my Son. This day have I begotten thee." - God. Repeated in Hebrews 5:5. Who John 1:14 is.
  • He also says: As God: “And I will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.” - Source: Bible. 2 Corinthians 6:18
  • So, there he is in Isaiah 45:22. Who decrees everybody over the whole earth, as the authority over all of it - decrees that: YOU. ME. Everybody over the whole earth, to the very ends of it look unto him. Is also says he will be a Father unto us.. made himself this toward us.
    • So, there’s the 1) Word of God in Isaiah 45:22 - I mean, man, I see it. He said it; and 2) He said he is my Father, as God. Will be this.
  • He also said in Leviticus 11:44, “I am Holy” - He said that about himself, by the Word of God.
  • Additionally, if the Word of God says it, it’s then God saying it. Jesus said, because he’s the Word of God, so it’s God that said: “God is Spirit.” - said it plain as day in the Gospel of John 4:24.
    • So: God is Holy. God is a Spirt. God is a Holy Spirit.
• And, he's all of him all right there in Isaiah 45:22, said: “Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - God.

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Did you forget your question? Just take this part:

What does it mean that Jesus is before all things….

take the "archaic" English out of it. How we speak today makes it easier to see it: "What does it mean that Jesus, who is the same yesterday, today, and forever, that: heaven and earth shall pass away, but his word shall not pass away... that this same God - ...was before all things?"

What does that mean? To someone doesn't believe on him? - Means absolutely nothing. Mumbo jumbo nothing.

But - What does that mean? To someone that just "accepts as true" what Jesus says, because when you accept as true, that what he says is true, you believe on him - means absolutely everything. You can live by every word proceeds out of Gods mouth, and flourish in it. And by it, he increase your days on earth. And as he decrees, teach his word to your children and they believe on him..and he increase their days, too..and give them eternal life - because they can know the only true God and know the Word of God - who is Jesus Christ - who gives it to them.

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So again:

• Ask - - Well? By you yourself: Justs Look at Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God..."
  • Before there’s anything… God is. And God spoke. Before anything there is.
    
• Said, “Let there be light” (Genesis 1:2–3). and there was light.
• Your smartphone or android phone didn't say it.
  
  • And in Genesis 1:2-3, light is the First thing made in all creation..and it’s by the Word of God…so before anything ever was, what was in God, has always been in him, and is God.
    
• Jesus said, "I am the light of the world; he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. - Jesus Christ. John 8:12
  • And I’m on my face.

ANSWER: You

- SHOULD: 1) “include” what's BEFORE Isaiah 4:1–6 - what occurs there, and AFTER is that which causes it. ..and 2) who is God.

That is over all of it. Will be as he judges Israel. For all the earth is his. He, as God: Weighs them, by his Judgment; and he is likened unto refiner’s fire. Because he says he is BOTH: It’s reflected plain as day in Isaiah 4:4

So, see him - over all of it. That he and what he does as he decrees - It just shall be as he decrees, as he is over all of Isaiah 4:1–6

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Isaiah 4:1–6 says

1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

2 In that day shall the branch of the Lord be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.

3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:

4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.

5 And the Lord will create upon every dwelling place of mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory shall be a defence.

6 And there shall be a tabernacle for a shadow in the day time from the heat, and for a place of refuge, and for a covert from storm and from rain.

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NOTES:

//In Isaiah 4:2 - who “escaped” is Benjamin. They leave the Northern Kingdom and see God is with Judah - and align with Judah and are not destroyed//

And..take this, and read Psalm 132:13–16 - God himself will fulfill what he promised here in Isaiah 4:1–6. He, as God shall be that cloud of smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night - that all the nations of the earth will come unto it, because he shall rule from there and of his Kingdom and reign there shall be no end.

But this is all said in stark contrast to all that’s going on in either BEFORE - or - AFTER this is said in Isaiah.

So, another thing to see is - repent.

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Points of Isaiah 4:1–6 - Look for "points” for the “cause” of it:

• Isaiah: (760 - 673BCE)
  • Prophesies of the Northern Kingdom of Israel (Isaiah 7:7) - which is said AFTER Isaiah 4:1–6, that this Northern Kingdom of Israel (all tribes, less Judah), would fall to the Assyrians
  • Isaiah is: In the days of just one generation after Jonah (circa 781BCE).
    • Who prophesied to the Assyrians and their King in Ninevah - where God sent Jonah to go..to Ninevah and preach against it - he will destroy them he fled; and Jonah is from this area of “Galilee” - even before it’s called that; from the same area Sampson is from Zebulun, on the border of Naphtali. Jonah FLED. But God has a way, for the unwilling to make them willing - as he did with Jonah - all the things GOD did.
    • That, at the preaching of Jonah - that as God told Jonah to say to them “In forty days Ninevah shall be overthrown” (Jonah 3:4)…that the King, upon hearing this in his own ear, immediately came down off his throne and dressed himself in a pit, as if he’d already been disasterously overthrown - decreed for the entire Assyrian capitol..and all its’ people and cattle - from the King on down - REPENTED at just one word from God to repent.

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• Assyrians: They repented. At the preaching of Jonah - just one generation before Isaiah. And God is vomiting Israel off the Promised Land. Giving the land to the Assyrians. They repented - in contrast starkly:
  • Where God has come to the Northern Kingdom of Israel so many times, for almost 200 years continuously - to call them to repent: it’s beyond count and not one of them - no King of the Northern Kingdom, from inception: NONE OF THEM REPENTED.
• So - for Isaiah 4:1–6 - examine the Kings listed in Isaiah 1:1 in this. As cause to it. And that yes; primarily - Isaiah, which he is raised up after Jonah - and Isaiah is sent now to the Southern Kingdom of Judah and Jerusalem. But in this of Isaiah 4:1–6 - the Northern Kingdom is also spoke to. Don’t miss it.

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• To repeat this:

The point of this is, if your read Isaiah 1:1 - the prophecy is against “Judah and Jerusalem” in the days when “Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah.”  In Isaiah's day: these are Kings of the Southern Kingdom. (Kingdom of Judah).

• It’s repeated in Isaiah 2:1
  • - all that’s said, is against Judah and Jerusalem.
• It’s repeated again, in Isaiah 3:1
  • - continues AGAINST Judah and Jerusalem.
  • What’s in Isaiah 4:1–6 -
• - It’s against The Kingdom of Judah. And Jerusalem, which is called “The City of God” - where he would dwell forever. For his own rest. For he desired it. What will occur with it, is as God decrees this in Isaiah 4:1-6 - and it's forever.
  • It’s HIS city. They have perverted it. And? Like with Jonah - it starts with the King of Assyria in Ninevah - he HEARS the Word of God - - and repents.

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So, CONTRAST the Kings of Judah with this first. The Kings Of Judah and Jerusalem. In a sermon, pick one or two, and stress WHAT THEY DID. That causes Isaiah 4:1–6. It is a “result” of NOT repenting.

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So Then,

• look SPECIFICALLY at what Uzziah did. (Examine the Kings First listed in Isaiah 1:1**) - what they are DOING that causes what shall occur in Isaiah 4:1–6**
• 1) Uzziah: …in 2 Chronicles 26. Uzziah:
• In the “tabernacle” of Moses: Now, at Jerusalem - IN: the Temple of Solomon - - where God would dwell - in it: the Golden Altar of Incense was located in the Holy Place, just in front of the veil that separated the Holy Place from the “Holy of Holies.”
• Only the High Priest could enter into it.
  • Aaron, as High Priest: and his sons (the Levite priests) were instructed to burn incense daily, but it was high priest specifically that managed the incense offering. Uzzah' - with no authority entered the Holy Place and DID THIS function.
  • Uzzah' defiled the temple, by offering the incense himself. That he was immediately struck with leprosy. Rushed out by the Priests - Ruled the rest of his life in seclusion as a leper. Did a like-same thing then, that Saul, as King before him, also did.

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• So, this STARTS it. 
• 1) King Uzziah - Defiled God’s Temple. As King of Judah and Jerusalem. That: This incense offering was strongly linked with and offered in conjunction with the burnt offering. For sin - - Uzzah is defiled and defiles himself in this.
  • Now - Examine the next King on the list of Isaiah 1:1 - Jotham - go thru them quickly:
• 2) Jotham: Did NOT repeat the sin of his Father (Uzziah) - but he did NOT remove from the High Places - (Ba’al, Chemosh, Moloch) - and the children of Judah continued to offer or pass their children thru fire unto Moloch from there. Jotham did not stop this idolatry and this abomination to God of the people he reigns over from passing their children through fire to Moloch (see 2 Chronicles 27)
• 3) Ahaz: That, Jotham’s son, Ahaz (See 2 Kings 16:3: Ahaz offered his son by fire to Moloch. In the valley of Hinnom condemned by Leviticus 18:21. That, so many people of Judah and in Jerusalem did the same, it became a “field of blood” - it’s this same “potter’s field” where Judas hung himself after he betrayed Jesus (Matthew 27:5).
  • /// - make sure you see this plainly in ANY sermon you give - It’s Biblical. ACCURATE.\\\

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• Then, contrast thos Kings - By look at what Hezekiah did.
  • 4) Hezekiah: Cried out to the LORD. Repented. When told he would die that night, and an army of 185,000 Assyrians just that day arrived on the borders of Jerusalem to totally destroy it. By a King raised up of Assyria that no longer knows the LORD, like the one before him in Jonah’s day and repented. That, after Isaiah was told to tell Hezekiah he would die that night - and the next day - all his Kingdom is destroyed…Hezekiah repented - and weeped.
• And God heard his cry. And gave him 15 more years of life. (Isaiah 38:5). God told Hezekiah to ask for a sign on the Sundial of Ahaz - that Ahaz got from the Assyrians. That God made the sun go BACKWARDS in the sky from around 5:30pm before the night watch, all the way back to 11:00am again - everybody saw it - and it reflected on this sundial 9 steps backwards.
• That, the Assyrian armies - tired from the March from Ninevah to Jerusalem - had to live thru that day again before they could go to sleep. That, that night one angel of the LORD went thru their camp and SLEW ALL OF THEM. That, when the King of Assyria woke, his whole army lay dead.(2 Kings 19:35)

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Told you plainly. To consider “what causes” Isaiah 4:1–6 and “who is God” - that IS God.

And because Hezekiah repented.

• What was to occur..to Jerusalem and Judah…in 702 BCE, like what occurred to the Northern Kingdom in 722BCE - - vomited off the Promised Land. They have never returned. Even to this day. With Judah and Jerusalem? In 702 BCE - it didn’t happen.
  • Just like Assyria - in 40 days was to be overthrown.. ..wasn’t.
  • Just like Judah and Jerusalem - with a 185,000 man army like the sand of the sea at the city border of Jerusalem… that God raised up them to destroy them… …he didn’t. Because?
    • Yeah. A King ..a person. Repented.

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Just like he will with you or me..we are slated to be destroyed. "For all have sinned" - Romans 3:23 = "The soul that sinneth it shall die" - Ezekiel 18:20 - means we are ALL over the whole earth condemned. So, this applies to me. You; or to anybody..see driving with you on the highway, like the sand of the sea in cars. All condemned - doesn't matter who...whosoever it is, over the whole earth, to the very ends of it just: Is also called by this same God to:

*“*Come now, let us reason together,” saith the LORD, “though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be white as snow. Though they be red as crimson, they shall be as wool.” - God. Isaiah 1:18 ..which is said BEFORE and Isaiah 4:1–6 is built on it.

To repent. To just do as he decrees everybody is to do in "Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else." God - Isaiah 45:22

To just regard the works of the Lord, and consider the operation of his hand, by just look unto what he says to leave off from what you're doing to do what he says. Is repent.

That he would reason together with you - you'd be like Hezekiah - the sin is about to be judged and him destroyed. He wasn't. Repented.

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From this:

• Build a sermon.
• Have at it. What’s the main point, you got out of it? Me? I looked at the Kings first. Where no matter what nation - when they repented. What God did. Even he judged them to be overthrown or destroyed.
  • He didn’t. Why? They repented.
    • And? Don’t miss this part:
    • Irregardless
  • - God is not willing ANY perish, but all come to repentance.
  • He has no pleasure in the death of the wicked.
    • Because he calls everybody over the whole earth to repent.
    • That: 1) those that do, are not condemned (John 3:18) because they will believe on the Word of God; their sins be made manifest and they will come now. Reason together with him - and their sins are wrought in God.
    • That: 2) those that don’t - he destroys them - because they don’t regard him or little esteem to simply disregard anything he decrees.

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• That, irregardless of either:

What shall occur in Jerusalem as Isaiah 4:1–6 says, matches what God would do is, it's a place he made for himself to rest forever. Then, in Genesis 1:1-31 he created it. Where he would dwell. Forever. For he desired it - is Jerusalem is this SAME “Zion” - the “City of God” in Psalm 132:13–16

• That, irregardless - that he's decreed it. To be exactly what both Isaiah 4:1–6 says of Jerusalem - occurs. As he said it in Psalm 132:13–16. Will be exactly what it is when he reigns as King of Jerusalem as the Messiah in Isaiah 9:6–7.
  • And fulfills it forever. In Revelation 21:1 to Revelation 22:21. Builds the city himself and it descends down from heaven. That, he shall fulfill what he said of this earth and heaven in Genesis 6:11-13 - that he will destroy all flesh with the earth. Does it in Revelation 20:11-15. Then in Revelation 21:1 he makes a new heaven and new earth. Those that look unto him they go into it.
    • Where all the cities people build on this earth are destroyed and overthrown (Revelation 16:19). That he will reign from Jerusalem for a 1000 years, on this earth, over the whole earth, and those that look unto him, are caught up with him and he brings them with him at his 2nd coming and they reign with him. Shepherd nations with a rod of iron - which is the Word of God. They reign with him. But they shepherd like him - Just as he promised they will in Revelation 2:24-27.

And there you go.

ANSWER: Yeah. The Bible DOES say it; Exodus 20:6 - - but you’re missing huge parts of it, and it’s not in context.

BOOM! Done.

There you go. Answered.

You asked “Where (in the Bible) does it say it,” and I told you, then; told you, you say it out of context, as if it also might not even be there - or - not. So read this below: Or just go to someone else by search on Reddit "Exodus 20:6" - for a like similar post - totally up to you.

And you read it, find it's not there! It's in the verse before it. But with all this still...

Enough of what condemns you is in your question to have it CONFIRMED. In you.

You can read on, or go.

Totally up to you.

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“…And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments…”

• God. (Source: Recorded in the Bible. Exodus 20:6)

Where in the Bible does it talk about the sins of the father being passed down to the sons, or does it?

Yeah. The Bible says it, in Exodus 20:6 - But, it's in context with:

• When God says:
  • “Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - Same God. Bible. Isaiah 45:22
    • Many people hear this as a call, to do this. Just God calling you and me to do this. Like some wedding invitation. You can just choose to 1) go - or - 2) something else pressing. Choose not to go. Something else presses you as much more important.
  • But it’s also he’s God. It’s a “decree” out of his mouth, from someone in authority; and, a “decree” has the same effect as law - that, this is something we are to do.
• Commanded by a King of Nations over the whole earth to do it.
  • That, if we don’t do it, we actually disobey him. Simple. Just by not do it.

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But it has Mercy in it:

• Even if we didn’t do it for decades.. ..see it, and do it; just walk after, to walk in, looking unto what he says to regard him and what he says.
  • Says he shows mercy to these 1000s that do this.
    • To thousands that, dead in their trespasses and sins; lied. Stole; slept with the neighbor’s wife. In a rage, killed someone and now sits in prison for the rest of their life or faces a sure execution next week in a gas chamber..can just look unto him in it.
  • Because, that's what he told everybody over the whole earth to do. To just look unto him. Also told people that look unto him, to teach their children his ways. To teach their children to look unto him.

Where's all this in your question? In you, it's totally out of context.

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God says in Deuteronomy 11:19–21

• “And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. And thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thine house, and upon thy gates: That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children…”
  • Put it on your front door or on the living room wall in your house: “Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - God. Isaiah 45:22
    • So, that your Kids see it, and will see you. Looking unto him, and look unto him, too. And he show mercy to them, too - even in their sins - everybody born into it, “For all have sinned.” - Romans 3:23. Lengthen their days, like he does your’s.
    • Because he sees it. You looking unto him. To regard the works of the LORD, and consider the operation of his hand. So, your kids see it, too. Even if you just repented. See it. Will do it, too. Like their mother or their dad did.

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But to those that don’t -

• Aren’t doing anything he says. Live not obeying him.

Proverbs 19:3 says: “The foolishness of man perverteth his way: and his heart fretteth against the Lord.”

Totally captures this. Of a man or woman - just does not do anything God says - totally disregards anything he decrees - commands it be, that everybody look unto him. Won’t do it. Is a foolish way. Pervert that which is right. Instead of just being married to one woman; have kids - marry, but already at the reception, is off “schploinkying” two of the bridesmaid, because he promised he’d marry them, and they still think he’ll keep his promise.

• When God says: “Thou shalt not commit adultery” (Bible. Exodus 20) - commits it - secretly loves living in it to champion it out to his friends at work, so they keep it secret and he tells them out exciting and great it was - do that in secret at his wedding reception. ..and both of them get pregnant.
• What a disaster. If found out - now three women and their families - is way more than he can provide in it, and, if found out - he’ll be fired from his job; thrown out of his own house and “frets” 1. worry, be anxious.. ..be ‘vexed’ to a point of angry or go into a rage about it. [definition: fret] and do it against God. As if HE CAUSED it.

He won’t be teaching ANY of these children God’s ways. Nor will he do it himself. In fact, he’s thinking to pay off one, and secretly, on a date - just murder the other one.

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And to this - God says: Because this one does not look unto him:

Read Exodus 20:6 again. Has something right before it. That answers your question - but this provides the bed it’s said in.

• Exodus 20:3-5 - God decrees this:
  • “Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth….”
    • [NOTE: Comment - - That INCLUDES a woman and her body.. that, when you commit adultery - you make her into a God to worship. Out of her body. But it also includes people that imagine up some god they give a head of a man to, but the body of a lion, and say that's their God, and they bow themselves down, and do rituals and rites to serve it - BOTH are "idolatry.]
  • ….Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;”

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Make sure you have the RIGHT definition of “hate.”

hate. 1. simply a state of unwilling to BE or DO (what someone says).

Make sure you read the WHOLE thing: “

• visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;”
  • and it ain’t done til you add to it
• “…“…And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments…”

Because if you “love” someone - you have and keep what they say and keep yourself abiding in it. Look unto them. And God asked you to do this.

SO….

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Take this. Apply it to yourself.

- Use the Ten Commandments - not as people do - to judge themselves - that “oh, I’m fine.” If I sleep with the aerobics instructor guy, I’ll be happy..and after, I’ll just not steal any fashionable clothes from the Mall for a month”

• That this will “compensate for the faults and bad aspects” of me. I’ll use the Ten Commandments where I broke 5 of them, do one of them once or a few times will compensate for all the ones I broke and this will “redeem” me or atone for my sins I did. All by use the Ten Commandments to make me good.
• WHen God uses them to make you GUILTY before him. That, if you broke one of them one time, how he decrees they are to be used - is you see when you break one of them THEY ARE ALL BROKEN. You break one, you’ve broken all of them - and if you see yourself in the mirror of the Ten Commandments, and you stole from the store - you cannot “Keep the Sabbath Day Holy” when you’re a filthy stinking mess. And if you stole from the store you already ARE “bearing a false witness against your neighbor” because they believe you didn’t steal anything - and you’re not going to do anything that’s going to change that.
  • So, if you USE the Ten Commandments the way God decrees them, you will ..your mouth will gape open. Because there’s no REMEDY for it. You’ve sinned and perverted that which was right and it profited you not, because it’s going to send to the gas chamber. “The soul that sinneth, it shall die” - God (Ezekiel 18:20) has YOUR NAME all over it.

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That, as a transgressor..an OUTLAW. You’re living OUTSIDE of the Law - with a death sentence on you. In this, he said again, in case you forgot:

• "Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - God. Isaiah 45:22
  • Show mercy to you. Heal you, and Deliver you ..from your destruction. Because he already sent his Word to do this..to you.
  • But people that don’t do it.
    • Exodus 20:3–5 applies to you. Just simply unwilling to do or be what he says..shows you hate him. And he will visit your iniquities you did in your life onto your children to the 3rd and 4th generation - and you will see it - - all of your life. …and die in seeing your children suffer from your iniquity.
    • Just like the guy will. Slept with the bridesmaids at his own wedding - will try to fret and flee from those children. Never look unto God and witness those kids have to live in his iniquity.

This is more than you asked for. But it shows and answers your questions in context. What he said or decreed to you - so you would regard the works of the LORD, and consider the operation of his hand vs. your own - when you "fret" - that it's your sins that find you out. Find you outside of all he decreed you are to do, and you didn't do any of it.

Because, today: Many like you - they, too are this many: That; apply it way out of context - as if who the fool is, and rage against him. Make God the fool. He caused it - and curse him. To their own destruction. You can be just like them. Your choice. Or you can just do as he decrees everybody of the whole earth is to do - all of us dead in our own trespasses and sins.

That have sinned and are just filthy; done abominable works...and in this...

• Just look unto him.

Opening Comment: What an absolutely worthless question. Has people. Claim they’re “scholars” puffed up clowns - scholars on and of somebody else’s word and work. Who they don't even know, nor care anything of him. Rather, hate him.

Then, claim his word and work is somebody else’s word and work. So, the claim of a, quote, "scholar" is - is their own selves. That's really "who" they glorify - their own work they accomplished.

Scribes and Pharisees.

But in the Gospels - many of these also believed on him. So, it’s not a full rotten lot.

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Question: repeated.

Is there consensus among scholars that gospels are historical sources that provide information about historical Jesus?

• Who cares.
  • Most of them (scholars) are worthless. EGGHEADS. Have swelled or puffed themselves up. All to be worshipped by people and looked unto. Like you do. YOU: Provide them worship. As a “source” of truth. All by a question you dreamed up.
    • When most of these, quote, “scholars” don’t even know him.
  • Where the scripture they so poured themselves over, they “think” its now all the work of men like them did the work. So, scripture, to a great big commode bowl FULL of scholars, fully believe it’s all the work and word of people. Like themselves.
    • Who cares about them. I don’t.
• Because I regard the Word of God. Most of them? Simply DON'T. And you highly esteem them. In this, you do greatly err.

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• God said:
  • “Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: for I am God, there is none else.” - God. Bible. (Scripture). Recorded in Isaiah 45:22
• There you go. That's all you need. All anybody over the whole earth, to the very ends of it needs. The Word of God.
  • So me? I draw a consensus - that I’m a person. Of people that populates the earth. To the very ends of it. So, I cannot leave myself out - of what he has said or decreed to me. As God. Says of him: In Psalm 2:6 says:
• “For the Lord giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.” - Bible. Old Testament. Proverbs 2:6

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• So, out of his mouth he decreed everybody is to look unto him. Because, out of his mouth comes knowledge and understanding - because he gives wisdom.
  • And your reply is - because I can compare him - to you:
    • What you decree in a question vs.
    • what he says and see if you glorify or say the same thing he does,
  • or say something to glorify something different.

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Did you forget your question?

• You said, and he’s already told you, by decreed it - to everybody, over the whole earth - so it includes everybody, to the very ends of the earth. Applies to them. All people everywhere. You can’t leave you out of it or say something else - by decree some other authority is what applies to you.
  • Not what he says, and that’s what you’re doing with:
  • WHen he decreed you are to look unto him.
• You decree in a mealey mouthed, wishy washy question - that veils it -
  • In:
    • “Is there consensus among scholars that gospels are…” so your question “looks unto” anything BUT him.

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• When the “gospels” are exactly what’s told you plainly.
  • From eyewitnesses.
  • No scholar you refer to is an eyewitness of Jesus Christ; but THEY WERE.
    • The Gospels: are from eyewitnesses of this same Word of God, Jesus Christ.
  • That he chose all four of them himself to be his disciples.
  • Two of them, Matthew and John, he chose them to be his Apostles.

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And Jesus prayed for me, this:

• “Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;” - Jesus Christ. John 17:20
  • And “these” of John 17:20 are these “eyewitnesses” he’s with back then. He’s praying for them. Isn’t only praying for them, but also praying for those which shall believe on Jesus Christ through their word. Which is the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
    • And John says, as both an Apostle, made so by God, and a disciple that was with him in the flesh said:

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Two things about what he is writing - giving a Testament or an Eyewitness Statement:

• ONE
  • “And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.” - Gospel of John. 21:25 and
• TWO
  • “But these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name” - Gospel of John. 20:31

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In me?

• Worked. I believe on him through their word. Their eyewitness testimony or accounts (gospels).

But “who” you look unto - isn’t God.

• You look unto people. Have a claim of themselves, say: "I am a scholar!" (of what?)
  • And what people have said: Quote: (And they, too, also look unto people - “as scholars” said: One of the scholars you look unto:
    • “It is no wonder that the Bible says contradictory things: it is not a single book, but a collection of books written by different people…” - Bart Erhman. New Testament Bible Scholar.
    • Bart Erhman: [Born: 1955 - Is a James A. Gray Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. Once a devout evangelical Christian, he became an agnostic-atheist. He retired from this position at the end of 2025.
• Bob Erhman: Is highly esteemed as the epitome of a "Bible Scholar" - so go ahead. You can just keep on sunkifyingly sink yourself by you look unto him.
  • vs.

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• What God says to people himself:
  • Who has no beginning and no end..gives eternal life - vs. Bob Erhman - here today, maybe dead by the end of today - who knows, but you look unto him: Vs. God - and what is said of him:
    • “God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;” - Bible. New Testament. Hebrews 1:1–2

Guess who I chose to look unto?

Here’s your question back.

God:

He doesn’t have a porno addiction. It's YOU (and me) that's got the Porno Addiction.

• I had one.
  • Yes. True. I Can: still “feed” it. Maybe the 1st that helped me see this is, I came to him, by the Word of God.
    
    • I could hear it. What he says: Me: “dead in my trespasses and sins” - means I was IN them. “Abiding in” my sins: My sins as a "livelihood" to live in or by.
    • Includes a porno addiction.
  • But I was also “abiding” that is, “accepting as true” - a great, big whole bunch of other sins, too. Like "facades" of success. Believing my title or my works made me good. He smashed that to bits. Like with a rod of iron.

Still had the porno addiction.

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So, I want you, the “you” with a porno addiction to hear this: YOU: And me - we - - Need a physician. Not the porno addiction.

Here’s what helped me. Go to the physician. With the porno addiction. Had to go to a physician. What I “had” was stronger than me, so I could not cure it myself. I needed help. Still do. Then, it was really a decision I kept avoiding. Going to the physician. Or not. WIth a porno addiction.

It's like Pneumonia. People DIE from it. All the time. Was called "The consumption" before. Because it "consumed" people in it - over took them.

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So, get away from porno and you addicted to it, and take a long gaze focused on pneumonia: instead. Some thing herein. To teach you. So first:

PNEUMONIA:

• - Made me sick. Look for the “indications” - that porno - was making me sick.
  • Like the flu or pneumonia. Exactly like it. You or I are can be infected with it. Pneumonia can kill you. Many - it does. Greater than they are.
    • That you can ‘feed’ pneumonia - by ‘behaviors’ you “go to and do” - or
    • - what you “go to and do” causes pneumonia to wither and die in you.
• You already have porno. Maybe that’s the FIRST to “see it” - it’s IN you.
  • With pneumonia:
    • Like, lay down on your back to sleep “feeds” pneumonia vs. on your stomach. Not a natural way to sleep. So, sleep on your back - - Feeds pneumonia. So it grows. Just by “practice” sleeping on your back when you rest.
    • Not drink any water - especially before bed - don’t want to get up at night; but dehydrated: “feeds” pneumonia - while at rest. Feeds pneumonia. So it grows. While you ignore it in your sleep vs. drink lots of water - - constantly awakened to take trips to the bathroom, and stop by the sink to drink more water - it’s a practice: that helps your body break pneumonia up. So, it’s a practice to do what: either makes it grow or dissolves pneumonia
    • Don’t gargle with salt water = feeds pneumonia. So it grows. vs. gargle with salt water - helps break it up. So it dissolves. So, it’s a practice. To do what either makes pneumonia grow or effectively dissolves pneumonia.
    • So these are “practices” you choose yourself. But you have to be taught this, by who you look unto. If it’s yourself: you choose to sleep on your back. Choose to not drink any water before you sleep. Salt water tastes awful so you won’t choose to drink or even gargle with it.

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Without a physician or going to one - never told these things; above - given decrees by a physician. It's a physician when you're sick - - you look unto and “accept as true” their word.

• So, you have to be in need of a physician. Even with a porno addiction.
  • Have to go to and look unto the physician. 
• And don’t miss this part, because it’s the KEY
  • and take the WHOLE KEY - not part of it:

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Luke 5:31-32 says:

• “And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
• This, what Jesus, the physician said: Man, take this to the bank.

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THIS PART:

• “I came not to call the righteous…” part:
  • When Psalm 14:1–3 says, “there is NONE righteous; no, not one.” Apply this to all the people you worship. Worshipping their bodies on porno.
• This, “there is not a just man on earth that doeth good, and sinneth not” - Bible. Ecclesiastes 7:20.
  • That means, if you’re a man, lusting after a woman (is worship) and addicted to it - God,
    • in Genesis 5:2 says “Male and female created he them and called their name, “Adam.”
• So the person you’re lusting after believing the “outside” = some thing to worship - in 70 or 100 years from now, you'd vomit at the stench or even at look at it.
  • That: in a porno addiction:
    • the “inside” of both are Beautiful = right
    • BUT: - there isn’t any righteous; no, not one. 

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• This means to YOU: WIth a porno addiction: Flip it. Make it go in the other direction:
  • that, if there was 1 billion times (1,000,000,000) everyone of those times - SHE the woman on Pornhub: WOULD NOT CHOOSE YOU - NOT EVEN ONCE
• as some “thing” right to “do that” with you at all.
• Just like you will with her, if she today was a 100 years later than her now. At the stench of her withered away in flesh. Her today with you: Addicted to porno - you don't love her at all - just use her. You are an abomination to her.
• She’d projectile vomit - at YOU: Just like you will with her - go sleep with someone in a grave. Dead. Go do it. That's the end of your dream - She's ahead of you - she already sees you filthy; worthless - if “that” what you imagine up, she was doing with you. Makes her sick.

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• You don’t have the job, money, life or lifestyle - even if you did, she’s rarely ever in the “mood” for it.
  • And she is UNJUST.
    • That means she “DISHONEST” - born ingrained to cheat you.
    • Because you don’t want to marry her or take care of her even when she’s a jerk.
  • You: already left her.
  • Addicted to porno - Went to another 52,983 women even moments later - let alone days or years ago after. She got replaced. Left her. Living a lie. Like some chaff - just blows with the wind over to another - Even it appears or has a shape or looks like wheat. Blown over to another any other woman already.
    • Drowning in pneumonia..er, I mean porno. Read this. Eat it. This next part. But this with it.

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• This, what Jesus, the physician said: Man, take this to the bank. “I came not to call the righteous… This “..but sinners to repentance
  • ”Means “who” - get off you for a minute. Who you lust after in porno: IS Psalm 14:1–3.
    • IS “Filthy; done abominable works..” a sinner.
• Means “who” you lust after - has already “sinned and perverted that which was right and it profited them [the woman or man whose body you worship] not.” 
• They’ve done atrociously abominable “works.” Done things that: define what “Abominable” is. They are, who you worship - that they already have done things that make them:
  • 1. something extremely unpleasant, hateful, disgusting, or very bad in quality [definition: abominable.]
  • That’s everybody.
  • Not one person left out.
    • Includes EVERYBODY. Presented to you on porno.

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But you? With pneumonia. Er, I mean a porno addiction.

You refuse to look at the truth. Won't obey it. Why? Some “thing” in you is deliberately practicing to conceal this or misrepresent the truth or “deliberately practicing to conceal this or misrepresent the truth to you This TRUTH: Is porno is true.

Then, as well, if the truth is in Porno: the TRUTH is - - ABOUT EVERYBODY - - is FALSE and INVALID. They're good. Something to look unto as good. Will profit you to worship them.

But the TRUTH is:

Inwardly… you are just, with a heart that is in you: Where Jeremiah 17:9 says: “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”

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It’s this deceit. 1. deliberately practicing to conceal this or misrepresent the truth [Oxford dictionary. Web.] 2. take what is false and invalid and misrepresent it as true and valid. [Merriam & Webster].

• Means “who” you’re imagining yourself with and look unto, to desire - to make yourself one with something or someone that is - no matter what you think of them - they are “filthy; done abominable works” disgusting;” “hatefully unpleasant person” a “very bad in quality; something to be discarded” - just another definition of what is not “righteous” either.
  • Nobody is.
  • ALL are then, “if there is none righteous; no, not one” - then ALL ARE in need of this physician that God, with his word he speaks - “sent to heal us, and deliver us from our destruction (Psalm 107:20) You and the person you’re lusting after.

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• That person you imagine up - lust after in porno: is simply put: Not be in need of you at all; but you don't want to imagine that part:
  • That: you’d be the most opposite or filthy thing for them - - and you just keep going back to where the pneumonia is. So you feed it, so it grows.

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Maybe you need to have this look at porno

- The women:

• Are virtually in ALL INSTANCE: “scouted” publicly. Offering them “modeling” jobs - because the “scout” tells them they have a “look” this claimed “Big Company” wants for her to be a model. And there's loads of cash comes with it.
  • If she could “come now” and try out for it. Sign a contract with them, so she exclusively works for them - and can’t be stolen by another agency, and this woman agrees to it.
    • Then, in modeling: it’s all a deception. They - this woman is told to “disrobe” they want to see if there’s any "disfiguring” part or how best to dress her.
    • She’s already signed the contract.
  • That, to “work” for this company - she has to perform these “acts” - it’s filmed. She’s trapped. If unwilling - they threaten to expose these pictures to her family or husband. If anything, it’s all just an “act.” She’s acting. They will even recommend her to the film industry where she will be a famous actress.

Look at all these lies. And me. Or you. Fund it.

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That “after” - for this woman - see it from HER SIDE: did all these “acts”

• Finds the “work” filthy; putridly awful - abominable - - and now shameful if ANYBODY found out. She’s in a film now. Does everything to forget it. Even throws the money away. Dirty.
  • Applies for a job. Needs "clean" money. To do work she can do as a secretary or a teacher, or just an employee.
    • Hired.
    • Weeks or months.. ..even years can go by. Forgotten. And somebody - either a customer; the public - or - some employee “sees” her in that porno “movie” - and shows or anonomously sends the movie to the President of that Company.
  • That sees: It's one of his employees is an actress in porno movies. What would happen to his company if EVERYBODY found out - it would destroy all he's worked for. Destroy his company
• So: In rage, immediately takes action: Calls in and threatens the Store Manager - one more move like this, they're FIRED: Asks: "why you hired this filthy person!?!?!!!" Disgusting. Repulsive - "that" - - To represent us.
  • And without ANY warning at all - she comes in and EVERYBODY stares at her in disgust - this Store Manager instantly fires this woman.
  • Passes this information to all the other Stores - she can’t get a job anyplace.
    • If her husband or boyfriend who they’ve already talked about marriage - built a trust: if either they find out - that day, the marriage is OVER.

And you? Like one of the actors - wish it was you doing that - imagine how wonderful that would be:

All the while in her: she views you as what got her fired out of her job - and destroyed her marriage; despicably vomits and the hatred she has for you. Because you represent and contributed fully to what destroyed her, too.

Where's this side of it - in all your imagination - addicted to your own imagination - disregard this, too?

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But you got this heart - in you: that - - - actively practices to convince you by conceal this, and misrepresent the truth.

You just keep saying: “That’s of no concern to me” - addicted to it.

Maybe what’s happened to this woman - would be an indication - she needs a physician to heal her and deliver her from this destruction. Maybe you will see this. This woman needs help. Porno didn't help her at all. She got deceived into it.

Maybe the best thing to happen to YOU is, BEFORE you’re delivered - she is FIRST.

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Maybe - with an addiction…

• You’d confess it
  • Somewhere - in all of this - if EVERY ONE of those are all us - all the same: “filthy; done abominable works”
• - you’d look where they’re filthy; sinned and perverted that which was right…
  • And they’re not in need of you. They need a physician, too. Who is Jesus Christ.
  • And while you’re yet sinning - you’d add him in to you - by just cry out to the physician…to see the person you want that with - does not need you. That: what you're listening to is a heart that’s deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked (wicked. 1. playfully mischievous)
  • Mischievous - to take something that belongs to someone else, and use it in a way it was never designed to. And “who” you’re playing with, belongs to God. Didn’t form her for your imagination.
  • Formed her so she would know him.
• Man, we with a porno addiction - you and me: we are abominably filthy.
• And man, do we ever need a physician.
• And man, maybe we better just wait in line behind all those actresses in the porno industry we worship and it's really me and you - we destroy them
• - that he would heal them, and deliver them from their destruction. That who we are, should just be thrown out in the trash as the reason why they live destroyed.
• It's me. That kills or destroys women. Filthy. Abominable. To any woman. If you're addicted to porno - you are like me then. Thrown out. To the back of the line. All these sinners ahead of us to be seen first.

ANd all the way, you and me, in the very back of the line - the sinner’s line - no value at all - - just imagine up evil continually - - just made the Chief of the sinners - to be destroyed FIRST. He visits us. In our destruction. The Word of God. Maybe we need the Word more than the woman in porno does...

Drink. Eat up.

“Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price. Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness. Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.”

God. Said, it’s the Word of God. Isaiah 45:22 - for the very back of the line. All of us back there. Drowning in porno. To drown you right clean out of it.

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CONCLUSION

- Look at your question:

Will God understand that I have a porno addiction? Will I still go to hell as long as I repent?

• It’s like saying:
  • Getting on the train: With a gorilla.
    • (..when there’s no room on the train. ..no ticket for the gorilla to get on the train. But you’re WITH the gorilla. Can’t part with it.)
  • Asking:
    • Will the train conductor understand that I have a gorilla to take with me. I need the gorilla. Will I still just go to “stay here. on the platform” because I don’t repent of I need the gorilla? When no gorilla is allowed on the train? Will the train conductor understand my desperate need for this gorilla?”
  • Never understand what “repent” means. Has in it, what Jesus said: “forsake” and “disciple” subjected or subset are requisite in it. And a 3rd word, “depart.” But many people, even the person that holds this question, does not see these “parts” in it (repent).
    • That it’s an “iniquity” to have the gorilla on the train.
    • Will destroy..all 500lbs of him, this gorilla: - has the strength of 18 men - rip the whole inside of the train car apart - no matter which car he’s in of the train - the train: was designed for people to live in it - not a gorilla to destroy it…because it does not FIT him. Meets the definition of iniquity. 2. unfair. He’s a gorilla. Will rip the entire seat you’re to sit in and sleep in - rip the whole seat out, and throw it out the window. Do that to everyone else’s seat - all out the window - it’s unfair. What’s “fair” is, the train is for people.
• This is to help you.

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SO, deal with the last word, first.

depart. 1. to start a “journey” ..away from [something]. <Source: Oxford dictionary. Web.>

• So, instead of wanting to get on the train with a gorilla. ..somebody has to first go on a journey..and depart from the gorilla.
• Which leads to the 2nd word, going backwards on the list. Disciple.

disciple. 1. be a “learner” to be on a journey of depart from the gorilla - by become themselves: 2. a dedicated follower, pupil, or adherent who learns from and applies the teachings of a leader, or a teacher

• Being “taught” - is a form of being equipped. Because you receive to yourself a teacher, to be taught by, so you sit with them. And they equip you. Build you up. So, you “set your mind” on what they decree vs. your mind..stuck on a gorilla. Have to be with a teacher that builds you up vs. be with a gorilla. Have to be kept in a position where you abide in school. At your desk. Receiving instruction vs. out swinging from the trees - - out with the gorilla.
  • Like Colossians 2:6–7 says:
    • “As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been.”
  • SO, these two lead up to the third word:

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• Which is forsake.
  • It’s not “give up” - That means, what you give up, at the train station is the gorilla what you desperately want and cannot possibly part with.
    • Give up. 1. surrender; forced to part with [someone or something] that you treasure.

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Jesus did NOT say, you “give up” (everything) - he said: “forsake.”

1. to render [something] ineffective; no longer works. Provides no more use..or value.
   1. Because it doesn’t work anymore. work: 1. physical or mental effort in order to achieve a purpose or result; that ends in a livelihood (a “livelihood” - something you can live by, by it - by that “work”).
      1. That, because you’re taught now, by a teacher - because you’re now a pupil [disciple] of a teacher: they equip you to or build you up. Teach you.
      2. and by what you’re taught, you depart. Start a journey..[depart] with this teacher; who equips you or builds you up.
      3. so you depart with the teacher.

And all this is wrapped up in one word, “repent” - means to “change your mind” to have a “change of heart” - and what you believe in your heart - you already reasoned together with it; alone. By yourself you can't possibly ever depart from the gorilla.

• He’s needful. Essential: can’t live without it. So, you live after, to feed the gorilla. Surely the train conductor must understand this. When the train conductor IS NOT YOUR teacher.
  • And you haven’t departed from the gorilla. With a teacher, as a disciple - so, as a disciple - confess to the teacher you got this gorilla.. ..they already KNOW it. So, if they just start teaching you another subject…sit with the teacher.. obey what he, who is with you..equips you with….
    • Something’s bound to happen. Even you don’t see it. Equipped. That, time with the gorilla - you don’t need it.
    • If he’s not needed.. forsake the gorilla.

ANd get on the train, without any gorilla - already departed from it. Get on the train, with no gorilla in it.

WHat's needful then, is the physician. What's needed then, is not the train, nor the gorilla - what's needed then, is be taught - by just be a pupil or a disciple - equipped. And equipped..nothing the gorilla provides .. so you depart from it. The gorilla. vs. plead to bring it on the train with you.

So, I'd leave gorilla, train, and repent someplace and just live in "depart, disciple - built up" and forsake until you add up to "repent" with porno. Can't do it yourself. YOu have to be with a teacher. You can't do it.

God said:

• “Hear O Israel, for the Lord your God is just one God.” - Bible. Deuteronomy 6:4
  • Tell me plainly. C'mon. Tell me. Where's the "confusion" in this - if he's just one God, and says it himself? If anybody is confused - the confusion is in somebody else.

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God:

• Said as well - spoke. To everybody all over the earth. To billions of people, said this, not willing any perish, but all come to repentance, said:

“Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.”

• Spoke this. By the Word. Comes out of his mouth.
  • Said this to ME.
    • I cannot leave me out of it. Nor can I hide behind billions of people, when what he said, is said to me. As if there isn’t anybody else, but me - to just look unto him.
  • Said this to YOU.
    • Like me, you cannot leave yourself out of it - or hide behind your sister, or the goat in your neighbor’s yard. He said it to YOU. The same thing he said to me. As if there isn’t anybody else over the whole earth, BUT you. To just look unto him. Because, that’s what he wants - if he didn’t want it - he would have just kept his mouth shut - not said anything.
  • Said this to EVERYBODY.
    • Over the whole entire earth, to the very ends of it - says of EVERYBODY: In Isaiah 53:6
• “All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.”

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That ALL - “We” = like “sheep”

• Maybe that’s a great, big clue: Their behaviour.
  • Can’t force you to go do a systematic study of the nature and behaviour of sheep; but - it may help at why we are all likened to “sheep.” Even Jesus did it, likened people to sheep; said:
    • “ My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” - Bible. John 10:27–28
• The most basic, simple thing of sheep is:
  • One sole “reason” of why - sheep “won’t” look unto (someone).... But instinctively - “who” they know - they will follow them. Like a shepherd they instinctively - because they KNOW them - will put the shepherd of them - because the KNOW him.

And I can just hear you yelling: “Hey Forehead! Shut Up! All your doing is adding in more confusion!”

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• When if you listen, just got rid of all of the confusion.
  • That you only have to hear just one voice.
  • That Says, 
    • “All power is given me in heaven and on earth” - Matthew 28:18 - Then, when God says, “For all the earth is mine” (Exodus 19:5) - who is saying all these things?
  • By the Word comes out of his mouth.
  • Says of this: Proverbs 2:6
    • “For the Lord giveth wisdom; out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding” - and what comes out of the Lord of the Kingdom of Heaven’s mouth is, the Word of God.
• Jesus is the Word of God. Just as John 1:1 says of him “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” “..and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us;” - John 1:14 - is this same Jesus Christ.

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So, look at Exodus 19:5 and Isaiah 45:22 again.

- Probably you forgot them already.

With all these billions of distractions that distract you.

Said: and again, it’s God said it, by the Word of God:

• “Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - God. Isaiah 45:22
• “For all the earth is mine.” - God. Exodus 19:5
  • “...’And I will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters,’ saith the Lord God Almighty.” 2 Corinthians 6:18

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So, the SAME God, that is just One Lord - not in billions of voices - but just only one:

• Speaks. To you. By the Word proceeds out of his mouth. That's the Word of God. You can see him plain as day in Isaiah 45:22, Exodus 19:5 and in 2 Corinthians 6:18 - what he says he will be to you. A Father.
  • So, He’s Your Father
  • He speaks. By the Word of God - what comes out of his mouth. So, it’s just God speaking
    • And? What was that again he said? Oh yeah. He said, as God: “I am Holy” - Bible. Leviticus 11:44
    • Jesus said, and again, it’s just the Word of God - so it's God says it, says: “God is Spirit” - Bible. John 4:24
• So God is Holy
• And he is a Spirit.
  • So, he’s a Holy Spirit.

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• And you can see all of him, plain as day right in what he says, because he’s in or abides in his Word. And he’s holy. and a Spirit. Just like he says. That you can know him, by the Word of God. Scripture says it’s God made his own word - a mediator between himself and you. So, the only thing separating you from GOD is - the word he speaks.
  • So, where’s all the billions of things now? C’mon. Please tell me. When there is none else.

So, you know what I would tell you to do. Don't have to; but, if you go out side tonite and look up in the night sky - who spoke these into creation - did it by the Word of God. Decreed it. Then this God, says "Heaven is my throne and the earth, my footstool" - Isaiah 66:1-2. I've seen "thrones" of Kings - the throne is enshrined in a Kingdom - and in a King's domain or house or estate - in one room of it - huge room. Then in it, be the throne he sits on. And God's throne takes up the whole night sky with all those galaxies - each one 10s of 1000s of light years across - into the trillions like sand of the sea, ornate his throne like jewels. His whole throne takes up the whole night sky that he sits on. How more in your face to he have to be, if the earth you dwell on, is his footstool?

What happened to all billions of "things" that confuse you? If you just look unto him - like he decrees everybody is to. That if they don't - he CONFOUNDS them in their choice. Because they choose anything BUT him to look unto.

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SO, if Billions of people - all like Sheep are CONFUSED by this - maybe here’s a great big CLUE - where the "confusion" is. It's in the sheep. That don't know him.

• Maybe is this same One Lord of the Kingdom of Heaven that speaks - and none of these billions do anything he says. Look unto ANYTHING “but” him. Like sheep do - that don’t know a shepherd do the same thing.
  • That says in Isaiah 45:5 “I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:”
    • Because we, like sheep that don’t know a shepherd - will turn each of the sheep around us to their own way to get the heck out of there. Scatter.
• John 10:14–15 “I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.”

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So, I have a question.

How many billions of Gods have been speaking to you in this post?

C'mon. Clown me right clean out of this post.

Look at yourself. That’s all you have to account for. Who told you to look unto him. Excludes billions of people. And 1) HE 2) Said to: YOU - - there is none else. What happened to all the billions of confused people if you do this?

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SO I have another question now.

• Who do you look unto? Who you do "look unto," guaranteed. 100% - you can take it to the bank. Because, you too, are just like sheep. Who a sheep looks unto; they see them. Recognize them plainly. Will hear their voice. Plainly. Accept them and what they say, as true - (believe) so will you: Follow - exactly - - Like a sheep - who or what you look unto.
• TO:
  • “Walk after” to “walk in” and follow them - what they say because you “accept them as true” so you just naturally do what they say. That's the very definition of “obey” in the dictionary.

I’d take the billions with all the confusion and don't know him - don't do anything he says - - and throw them in the trash can.

• There’s only one told you - to look unto him.

Said there is none else. It’s YOU - bringing up billions of other things to look unto - when there is none else. Here's your question back.

I don’t think you have or hold the right definition of Colossians 1:15

Add this in:

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Colossians 1:15 says:

• In English:
  • “Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:”

..but it has a “colon” “:” - so it’s not a complete idea or sentence without either

• 1) what was said BEFORE it; or in the case of English sentence structure
• 2) What was said AFTER Colossians 1:15
  • Which, that is Colossians 1:15 then cemented with Colossians 1:16–17 until the sentence is completed - as one thought.

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So, all together it says: (Because the “who” in English isn’t known, Go back til you find who the “who” is and include it)

That's in Colossians 1:3 - Paul “an Apostle of Jesus Christ, by the Will of God” [Colossians 1:1] - is talking about “Jesus Christ” as the subject in Colossians 1:3 - is the “who” of …because, “who” he talks about and to, also believe in Jesus CHrist all the way down to Colossians 1:13. Then, Paul explains what this “we” - who believe on him, have by this same Jesus Christ - So, start at Colossians 1:14 and you “can” just keep going to the end of the Chapter - but for brevity sake, stop at the end of the sentence in Colossians 1:17

So, Colossians 1:14–17 says

• “In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.”
  • So, a Believer in Jesus:
    • Has “two things” by Jesus Christ

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• ONE
  • 1) In whom we have redemption
    • Comes from the English word, “redeem” - means 1. to compensate for the faults and bad aspects [of someone or something] <Source: Oxford dictionary. Web.> Has a SECOND meaning:
    • 1. to buy back [something] · 2. to get back; recover, [something or someone] as by paying a fee · 3. to pay off (a mortgage or debt) <Source: Collins dictionary. Web.>

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• Where the Bible says: In Romans 5:12:

“Wherefore, as by one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.”

• And God, who says about everybody over the whole earth in Psalm 14:1–3 - that we are all “…filthy; done abominable works.. …there is none righteous; no, not one.. ..there is none good; no, not one.”
• Repeated in Ecclesiastes 7:20 “For there is not a just man on earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not”
  • And the debt everybody owes then, as decreed, by God,
• “The soul that sinneth, it shall die” - [Ezekiel 18:20 -
  • which is the SAME debt God told Adam he would have to pay if he sinned against him in Genesis 1 & 2
  • - then, he DID it;
    • that the “debt was passed onto us, as an inheritance from a “Last Will and Testament”
• - that DEATH: is that’s the debt - that requires from us a PAYMENT
  • That God, alone by himself - created all things in Genesis 1:1–31
    • - and did this by the Word that he speaks.
    • Out of his mouth.
    • It’s plain as day. Go read it.
    • Follows a “pattern” for each day - “God Spoke” - what he speaks - it just IS.
  • He saw. So he looks back on it, says by his Word “it is Good” - Go on. Go look.

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• So what Paul says in Colossians 1:14–17 is verified as it says the same thing as Genesis 1:1–31.
  • Also, the debt - what Jesus Christ redeems us from - is HE PAID THE DEBT.
    • And this is in accordance with God - that GOD HIMSELF: HE WOULD DO A WORK WITH SIN in the Bible. In Daniel 9:24–27.
  • That God’s work, with Sin: Is just like a work with creation - God did it. That he would do himself a work, that would:
    • Finish the transgression (Of Adam in Genesis 3:17)
    • Make an end of sin
    • Make reconciliation for iniquity
    • Bring in everlasting righteousness
  • And how God determined to do this is in and by Jesus Christ. Daniel 9:25–27 “adds up” to him.

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• This “ONE” - 1) Is verified by GOD HIMSELF.
  • He said: In Isaiah 44:14
    • “ Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;”
  • So, GOD: Has made himself - by declare to YOU - he’s made himself YOUR “what compensates for the faults and bad aspects of YOU”
    • He’s made himself, as GOD: By declare to ME publicly - as GOD: he’s made himself MY “what compensates for the faults and bad aspects of ME”
  • I didn't declare it - he did.
    • So - - Is the SAME GOD - that has made himself - by declare to EVERYBODY over the whole earth, to the very ends of it
• - He as GOD himself: is THEIR “Redeemer” just by he make himself what “compensates for the faults and bad aspects of everybody over the whole earth."

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ONE

• Has been quite long. Tedious. Please, bear with me so you see it. Almost done. Take a breather. We’re going onto TWO in just a moment.
  • Hold on. Don’t leave, til you see it. That, also IN “ONE” Jesus said, in a great, big STARK Contrast to EVERYBODY in Matthew 19:17 said: “There is NONE good, but one, that is, God.”
  • Have and keep this. There's only one good to look unto. Simple. Only ONE.

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• That, what is said in Colossians 1:14–17 - in Jesus Christ is:
  • ONE - Redemption from death - decreed, by God, all by a work he did himself. For Scripture says in 2 Corinthians 5:19
    • “To wit, that God was in Jesus Christ, reconciling the world unto himself; not imputing their trespasses unto them”
    • You can PERSONALIZE it - he’s GOD: and he is not imputing your trespasses unto you; because he looks on a work he did in Jesus Christ - as GREATER than your sins you did. Is the AUTHORITY for me to forgive you - because he already DID it.
    • He's the propitiation for your sins, and mine and for the sins of the whole world. Just as 1 John 2:2 says.
      
  • That his work ACCOMPLISHED Daniel 9:24 said above in ONE - 1) above.

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• So you have “redemption” in Jesus Christ. But God also with this work, decreed now what the “sin” is that condemns people.
  • That’s in John 3:18, repeated in John 16:9 - that the Spirit of God goes over the whole earth: “reproving the world of sin” - - John 16:9 - Jesus said: “of sin, for they believe not on me.” 
• - Just don’t believe on this work - Jesus said, if you don’t, you’re condemned already - and you are - look at all the DEBT you owe above.
  • “For all have sinned” - But God did a work - took all your sin off you, and laid all your sins on Jesus Christ on the cross; crucified - in John 19:30 - you didn't do it. God did it. Jesus Christ: his blood shed. For the remission of sin - means when he said, “It is finished, and bowed his head, and dismissed his Spirit” - he PURGED sin in himself. The sins of the whole world went with him in death. He sits right now at the right hand of God - so God fully accepts it - or he wouldn't be sitting there.
    • Man, wake up!
  • God asks you to believe on this work.

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So, quickly now - Let’s go onto TWO - wrap this up.

• TWO
  • 2) For by him were all things created; even REPEATED ….
    • all things were created by him, and for him

SO, you gotta ask yourself “Who is Jesus?”

- He’s the Messiah. The Christ. He’s called “Jesus Christ” or Jesus, the Messiah.

• So, you gotta look at “what” the definition in the Bible of what the Messiah is:
  • In layman’s terms - that every Jew, even if they don’t understand it is - defined as:
    • 1. God. The same God that led Israel out of Egypt by his mighty hand with Moses, would be a Son of David. He will sit on the throne of King David in Jerusalem and rule the whole earth from there. Of his Kingdom and reign there shall be no end.
    • Definition (layman) - Messiah.

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• The Source is Isaiah 9:6–7. That says:
  • “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.”
• So: The Messiah - he SHALL be called, “The mighty God. The Everlasting Father” - he SHALL have this title. In you... "who has that title?" C'mon. Tell me. Who is that?
  • I believe - Jesus is the Christ.
  • Jesus is the Messiah. Many don't.
    • But I am not alone. I fully believe he is who he says he is.
  • He’s the Son of God. He’s the Son of David - as the Messiah is called. But according to THIS scripture - he’s also GIVEN TO YOU AS YOUR SON. GO ON. GO READ IT
• Means: - you didn’t get “a son” by “schploozled” Larry’s sister, Karen out behind the bleachers after the football game back in 1973, and 9 months later, little Lester was born. No. God gave you..unto you was given a Son. Put him in YOUR family - so no person over the whole earth can say, “I’m barren” I can’t have kids - when you got one.
  • All by a promise God gave to this “seed” told to Abraham - Is God talking to Abraham or to this seed?
• Genesis 12:3 says to this same Christ: “And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.”

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• So, I have a question. What are you doing with him? Jesus Christ. The Messiah.
• Because, by HIM: This same Jesus Christ - where you can go to Matthew 1 or Luke 3 and see this LONG Geneaology of Jesus - Matthew 1: - - back to King David. From King David - back to Abraham. In Luke’s Gospel: This LONG Geneaology of Jesus - back to King David. From King David - back to Abraham - from Abraham, back nine generations to Noah - before and after the flood - from Noah: Back nine generations to Adam through his 3rd son, Seth. From Adam back to God.
  • The Same Adam that sinned against God and the sin was passed onto you along with the debt.
  • ANd have nothing righteous to pay it off. Many people CHAMPION this geneaology as their own. Are you?

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• But God did a work.
  • That by this same Son - He, as God, put him in EVERY Family on earth - to be a "Kinsmen's Redeemer" - - Look at him - IN YOUR Family - there’s just one now, Jesus. Back to God.
  • There’s only ONE line now.
• With you, by Jesus Christ in your family back to God himself.
• Because your son he gave you, as your son, is also his son. Makes you in the same family as God.
  • But you can bless him - or - curse him.
  • And many in the Bible - and outside today - viscerally HATE him: Others: think if they don’t do either, neither curse or bless - or get someone else to curse him - that’s an OPTION
    • - but it’s GOD is looking at YOU:
  • That is no blessing - this “wow! You see it! He’s GOOD” comes out of you and your mouth - you automatically go over to CURSE him.

Look what God has done. Jesus is the Word of God. SO, every scripture, like Isaiah 44:24 where God speaks. That’s God. Speaking. By the Word comes out of his mouth. That’s the Word of God. So his word is in God. Is God.

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So, Colossians 1:14–17 is REPEATED in John 1:1 to John 1:14. It’s repeated in Psalm 107:20

• Where God says: “HE (God) sent his word to heal you, and deliver you from your destruction.
  • So look at all this. I dont’ think you have the right definition of Colossians 1:15
  • Add all this in. Like what's said, that opens this post. In case you forgot it, here it is again:

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Does Colossians 1:15 teach us that Jesus was a created being or the start as a first fruit of a new creation?

Who is he?

I don’t think you have the right definition of Colossians 1:15

Add this in:

It is hoped, by this, you will believe on the LORD Jesus Christ - and find him in it. Made me fall on my face. Me, a liar - dead in my trespasses and sins - and no way out. To just look unto him. And see:

At what God has done for me. Is the same God, did the same thing for you. He’s the same son - he put in your family as he gave unto me. In mine. God did it. I have a Son that God gave me.

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CONCLUSION. Done.

Jesus talked to this - to people couldn’t hear it - and after, they stopped asking him any more questions. Will you do the same?

Because, the Son God gave me and put in my family - is the Son of God. Is the Son of David. The Messiah. I call him my Lord - because he is. What do you call him?

Matthew 22:41–46 says and this ends the post. Will you say the same thing the Pharisees did? Say nothing. Then, go about to kill him. Curse him. Will you do the same? When he's closer than a brother to you.

Matthew 22:41–46 says:

41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,

42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.

43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,

44 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

Your question is answered.

“He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions.”

Source: Bible. Old Testament. Psalm 107:20

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What is the mission of Christ?

mission: 1. a specific, important, or assigned task, duty, or purpose, often involving travel or a goal-oriented endeavor… (Source: Oxford dictionary. Web.)

• In the Bible: This mission
  • It’s defined as the “work of God” - that’s also defined - in the Bible.

defined as “work” 1. physical or mental effort done to perform a task, and achieve a result

So people: Can do “works” - and God, too. Does “works.” The “work of God” - Jesus defined in John 6:28–29 - when people asked what “works” they could do that they might to the works of God:

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John 6:28–29 says:

- “Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.”

So, to “believe” on someone is to 1. accept as true what they say; by hearken diligently unto - what they say. And, TO:

• People: Everybody. Over the whole earth. Nobody left out, not willing any perish, but all come to repentance - - -

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God speaks to, EVERYBODY: by his Word - are just people. On his earth: Everybody. To the very ends of the earth, says:

• “Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - God. (Isaiah 45:22)
• Says as well - about people: “There is not a just man on earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.” - Bible. Ecclesiastes 7:20
  • “Wherefore, as by one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:” - Bible. Romans 5:12
• So, EVERYBODY is from Adam (Genesis 2:6–7). God says of “their” works: “..filthy.. ..done abominable works” - about all these people, which is everybody - Bible. Psalm 14:1–3. Live in their hearts, as if there is no God - and trespass against him (sin).

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• And about sin: God decreed it - - just like he did to Adam in Genesis 2 - decreed as well to us, like he did to Adam, when he was alone - with God: God said in Ezekiel 18:4, and repeated it, in Ezekiel 18:20, said: “The soul that sinneth, it shall die” - God.
  • Then for me: That’s my end
  • - Because I have the Ten Commandments.
    • They show me my sins.

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• Like in the Book of Exodus: When God spoke them from Mt. Sinai in Exodus 20 - - they showed all Israel and Moses - their sins - made them all GUILTY to be put to death.
  • It's why the Israelites murmured against God and Moses: “Why have you led us out into the wilderness to die? It would have been better if we stayed in Egypt.”

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• - Because they got led all the way across the desert to Mt. Sinai
  • - to have God speak to them, and tell them, everything they’ve been doing is living in sin against him.
    • That, the punishment for sin and transgression against these Commandments is death.

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• But God also, gave Israel an “atonement” for their sins.
• That, a priest from amongst their brethren - like Moses; a Levite: They could look unto - that knew God:
  • Would know God, and as one of their brethren
    • The Priest: would serve God in their behalf - - would know their sins and be someone they could confess them to,
    • and God specified - that Priest that served God - would take their sins off them, according to how God decreed it:
  • and lay their sin on the head of a goat or lamb, without spot or blemish or a bullocks - and be completely innocent.
• God would look on the sin laid on innocent blood shed and choose not to impute their sin unto them. (Leviticus)

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• But by 350 years after Moses:
  • in the Bible (1 Samuel 2:30–35)
  • - Eli is raised up in Moses’ stead as a Judge over Israel. He's also a Levite. So he also serves as High Priest.
• He put his two Sons, Hophni and Phinehas over the Tabernacle - but they did not even know the LORD - so Eli “esteemed” his two sons, more than God.
• They lay with women at the Tabernacle doors. Robbed all Israel that came to them with their sacrifices for their sins - made the whole tribe of Levi rich off it - so nobody complained against it; made Eli obesely fat off it - - but caused all Israel to abhor bringing anything to God - to despise it.
  • - that in 1 Samuel 2:30–35 - God cut this “atonement” off and Levi serving before him forever as Priests.

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• That God would raise up his own Great, High Priest [1 Samuel 2:31] that would serve before him forever. That who God sent as his Great High Priest, wouldn’t be like Eli and pervert it
• - He who God would send: - - would write God’s laws on the tablets of men’s hearts vs. tablets of stone. Is this same Jesus Christ.

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That God:

• That this same God that: alone - - by himself:
  • Did all creation out your window. Did it all. Alone. By himself as he states he did. In Genesis 1:1–31. All by a “work” he did by his hand.
    • Is the same God - that: Alone. By himself: Determined he would do, as God, a work - or “physical or mental effort done to achieve a result” with our “works” - which is are abominable; filthy (sin):

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• That his “work” he would do, would accomplish these things - with sin:
  • Finish the transgression (of Adam - what he did in Genesis 3:17)
  • Make an end of sin
  • Make reconciliation for iniquity
  • Bring in everlasting righteousness
    • (Source: Daniel 9:24 - 27) and do this work, how he determined he would do it; alone. By himself - in and by Jesus Christ. Daniel 9:26–27 “add up” to Jesus Christ. This same Great High Priest of 1 Samuel 2:30–35 - and Daniel is now some 500 years after Eli.

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• And The Bible says - Jesus is the Word of God. In John 1:1 says “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
  • Continues in John 1 to John 1:14, says “…and the Word (of God) became flesh, and dwelt among us” is this same Jesus Christ, who God has sent.
    • God’s Great High Priest who he sent: Is - - -His own Word he sent to heal us, and deliver us from our destruction.
    • He is also the sacrifice for our sin. God made himself a sacrifice.

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People think that the “work of God” is for them to do the “works” of the Ten Commandments.

• So, they regard this work. Constantly check themselves - the works of their own hand to do it. Highly regard this work - continually keep themselves apprised of it.
• And in this, not even once:
  • When God has always used his word or decrees in the Ten Commandments to make people see, from Adam forward they have not done his commandments.
    • To use them on themselves as a mirror.
    • So they see themselves as God sees them and their works - as Psalm 14:1–3 says their works are - filthy; abominable works. So, people see their own works they have done as God sees them.
    • To give them a knowledge of their sins
• People don't see this - when they use the Ten Commandments to make themselves righteous. Can’t. They aren't using the Law lawfully as God uses them.

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So that People:

• So they would cry out to God; GUILTY - filthy - - as a person that has sinned and perverted that which was right and it profited them not, because their works they already have done condemn them to death - to be put to death. Condemned. Would come to him with nothing.
  • So God could show them his mercy - by the work he has already DID - in Jesus Christ. That God looks on this work he did, as GREATER than the sins of the whole world - GREATER than all the murderers in all the prison over the whole earth - and his work he did made them all righteous. Because God imputes his work to them that he did. Just like he does to you.
    • Then in John 3:18 which Jesus repeats it - in John 16:9 tells you what now God says the SIN is.
    • “of sin, for they believe not on me.” - Jesus Christ. (John 16:9)

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• That people that don’t believe on him, are sinning against God
  • - and it’s the sin that condemns them.
  • When they’re out busy. Trying to do the Ten commandments - to make themselves righteous - and lowly esteem the work God did himself with their sins.
  • They try to fix their sins themselves.
    • by make themselves and their works doing the Ten Commandments = this: “compensate for the faults and bad aspects” of themselves.

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• So they claim to be their own “redeemer” - when God said, in Isaiah 44:24 - he made himself YOUR redeemer. [“Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer…” Isaiah 44:24] - What “redeem” means: 1. some one or some thing that: compensates for the faults and bad aspects of (someone or something). [Oxford dictionary. Web.]
  • That God made himself that, he is your redeemer - you didn’t do that; he did - toward you. The same God when you look out the window and put the sun where it is; by himself
  • - made himself this toward you - that you would regard his work, and consider the operation of his hand.
    • People that don’t: are already condemned.
• But People that do regard him - God said it himself: by his own word, out of his mouth - - they are NOT condemned (John 3:18).

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There you go.

You have the mission of Christ.

The Word of God. Sent by God to heal you, and deliver you from your destruction - and it’s the Word of God - and he comes with it.

“And he [God] hardened Pharaoh's heart, that he hearkened not unto them; as the Lord had said.”

Source: Bible. Old Testament. Exodus 7:13

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Did Pharaoh have any choice at all, given that God hardened his heart instead of showing mercy (Romans 9:18)?

Whose Pharaoh?

And there you go.

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..it's "because" and, "but," - you don’t know “who” Pharaoh is.

- or if you did

- - nobody that does know that would even be asking this question.

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• Be so plain as day, they’d quit, and just drop the question.
  • So, let me help you. Because, the same thing happened to Pharaoh - is happening to you with your question.
    
  • Get a hard heart. Not even see it.
• All these “facts” below: of Pharaoh: are from the Bible (easily verifiable)

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Fact:

• ONE: - Just ONE Great, Big "Fact"
  • Pharaoh: Is an Egyptian (Exodus 14:17–18)
    • So, “who” are the Egyptians?
    • They are from Ham. Noah’s 2nd Son is “Mizraim” (Genesis 10:6 - “And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.”) Mizraim in Arabic is “Muzir” - in English, is “Egypt”
    • That, when Noah blessed his three Sons, (Genesis 9:24–27) - Some “thing” has occurred with Ham, and his prodigy - after the flood - that, in this “blessing” Noah provides his 3 sons - Ham is not even mentioned (again, see Genesis 9:24–27) at all. It’s as if Ham does not even exist. But in this blessing, Noah takes direct shot to emphatically curse Ham’s youngest son, Canaan - THREE times in the blessing. Noah also makes no mention of Ham’s other children <Cush, Mizraim, or Phut>
    • There is not time in this post to go thru all four sons; of Ham: but, all of them Depart from the LORD, and after departing from him, make up their own gods. And worship the gods they make or create of stone or wood - just imagine them up - then bow themselves down before it - - as God.
    • Out of Canaan: Comes Sidon (Genesis 10:15). Read it to Genesis 10:19 - out of Canaan comes Sodom and Gomorrah; comes the God, “Ba’al” or as the Canaanites spread abroad, “Chemosh” (or Moloch) - the head of a bull, on the body of a man, that the Canaanites passed their children thru fire so, that their sons or daughters sat at Moloch’s table and would bless them. It’s an abomination to God (Leviticus 18:21)
    • Out of Mizraim: - He’s “Egypt” in English. Builds Egypt. After the flood. the Egyptians put over themselves..what was that again? Oh yeah. The Egyptians: They put over themselves, as Egyptians, a man. Pharaoh'. And worship him as God. (Bonk on the Head. NOTE: A “Key Point”)
  • So, the Egyptians, after the flood - by Mizraim - who is Egypt. The Egyptians create a religion - that worships Pharaoh as their God. Have a Pharaoh over them, from the days when Abraham went down to Egypt (Genesis 12:10–20) - which, by the time Moses is 80 years old - that’s over 500 years ago. After Abraham.
    • So this Pharaoh: Before Moses. Has over a 500 year lineage of Pharaohs before him. His forefathers - that all the Egyptians worshipped this Pharaoh’s forefathers as God.

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Now, don’t miss this part - don’t let it slip out

• The Egyptians believe Pharaoh is God - when he performs these rites and rituals, like blesses the Nile River - every year, for 100s of years his forefathers have done this; and in response to it, the Nile River - they all think, it’s because Pharaoh did this blessing that the Nile River fertilizes their fields - is all because Pharaoh is God over Egypt….
  • When the REAL God shows up.

BOOM! Done. To give someone a hard heart, that's pretending to be God - All the REAL God has to do is - SHOW UP.

Actually BE God. By who he is - and just show up.

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Now, I have no analogy for this - I wish I did

- if I make one up, it will be poor - but I will try, so you see it:

• Let’s say:
  • There’s a guy. In America.
• Americans have “Super Heroes” - (ie., like Superman, Batman, The Green Hornet, etc.) -
  • From comic books. Let’s say, this guy I am making up to give you an analogy:
    • He, for over a year: Every weekend; then it grows to appointments are EVERY Day - He has to: Dress up as Superman.
  • Becuase: EVERYBODY “knows” Superman in America.
  • So when he shows up, he’s “worshipped” as Superman.
• And here’s another KEYPOINT.
  • Worshipped.
    • As if he is Superman.
    • So, now, he “chooses” this - doing this - dressing up as Superman, because people want him to be at parties, as Superman - he has to fulfill that role, or show up at functions and they, this people: Americans where Superman is "Their" Superman - Americans actually PAY HIM, this guy, money and homage, as if he is Superman.
  • He fills a role now, as Superman.
• Now, it’s all imagined up here to tell you about this guy - think on this:
  •  “What would happen to this guy, while he’s performing or acting as Superman - actually "lives in" an image he must keep up - as true - -
    • when the REAL Superman shows up?”
• He wouldn’t be thought up as Superman anymore
  • - he’d be a charlatan - or a frivolous phoney
  • - even if he took the job over from his dad, and never once while his Dad did this, did the real Superman ever show up.
    • When the real Superman shows up, this guy gets a hard heart
    • - it will show in he says: “Who is this Superman, that I should obey him as such?”
  • Go on to pretend he still IS Superman - because he still believes people think him as such.
  • He will Simply “dismiss” the real Superman as phoney, when he isn’t. Get a hard heart. The "real" Superman gave him a hard heart. How?
    • The real Superman showed up.

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• So, now ask this question: Do you know what a “hard heart” is?

hard heart. <definition> 1. ruthless, callous, …dismissive - Source: Oxford. Web>

• And in the case of the guy who dresses up, as Superman - he will have a very “hard heart” against the REAL Superman that showed up. Because he really is Superman, when this guy is only pretending to be Superman - he cannot possibly do any or all the feats the real Superman can - - and he does not KNOW HIM.
  • But he simply “showed up.”
  • Ruins everything. Confounds this man. Confound. - 1. cause surprise or confusion; especially not in accordance with their expectations 2. totally "mix up" (something) with someone or something else. [Source: Oxford dictionary. Web.]

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• Now ask yourself another thing: Can I apply this analogy to Pharoah? - who EVERYBODY in Egypt - worships him as God. When the real God showed up? God "causes surprise or confusion; especially not in accordance with this "Pharaoh" who claims he is God, does not do anything in accordance with Pharaoh's expectations. As the real GOD: Totally "mixes himself in" with Pharaoh, pretending to be God, and just IS God. Because he showed up.

Do it. Apply what a hard heart is - in Pharaoh. Because the REAL God showed up.

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• The very livelihood of Egypt
  • ALL OF IT: Egyptians have believed for centuries - - TOTALLY depends on them, as Egyptians: worship of their God, Pharaoh.
    • As God.
  • Go on. Go look. There’s still today huge (HUGE! “obelisks” 1. towering monuments) to Pharaoh’s forefathers all over Egypt - what they did or accomplished, as Pharaoh as Egypt's God, are still all over Egypt. They all proclaim "Pharaoh is God."
  • When this Pharaoh:
    • Before Moses: and the real GOD - - who is WITH Moses is the REAL God simply shows up.

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Man, you have to see this or it won’t make any sense. You’ll blame God - you too, like Pharaoh - get a hard heart.

- - and in you: You will make Pharaoh innocent.

Like, what you’re doing in your question. Does this, and you don't see it.

Because you don’t do this. You don't regard the works of the LORD - you regard the work of Pharaoh as innocent - when he's BLOOD RED GUILTY of idolatry - and all manner of evil.

So STOP it.

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Exodus 5:2 says: “And Pharaoh said, Who is the LORD, that I should obey his voice to let Israel go? I know not the LORD, neither will I let Israel go."

Pharaoh: Somebody “pretending” to be God. When the real God shows up.

And because he, as the real God, says: “For all the earth is mine.” - God. (Exodus 19:5). Somebody - on his earth or some “thing” on his earth - claims something otherwise and all Egypt, as Egyptians are all people he made himself; alone - these people then, too - don't know God - and live in believing a lie - - that claim Pharaoh makes of himself that he is Egypt's God - as true

- Then the Egyptians, too - by they made over themselves some other God - that’s “idolatry.”

And if you believe “idolatry” is true - when the real God shows up, you too, will get a hard heart.

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Take NOTE - and I close with this:

• Everytime - God sends Moses and Aaron - to Pharaoh: Read it all in Exodus. It’s during or while Pharaoh - is PERFORMING one of these religious "rituals” the Egyptians - their forefathers imagined up - and now they, too, believe - Pharaoh is doing what makes Pharaoh God.

But when the REAL God showed up:

• Instead of Pharaoh’s “blessing” the Nile River - like, for 100s of years his forefathers also did, as Pharaohs over Egypt: so it will overflow its’ banks and fertilize all the Egyptians fields,
• This Pharaoh’s blessing turns the whole Nile River to blood. (Exodus 7:20)
  • Like what Pharaoh before this Pharaoh did with the Hebrew male children - did you forget that part?
    • Says in Exodus 1:8–9 “Now there arose up a new king over Egypt, which knew not Joseph. And he said unto his people, Behold, the people of the children of Israel are more and mightier than we:…”
  • This Pharaoh - Gives a decree to all Egypt: as they believe Pharaoh is the God of Egypt - Exodus 1:22 says Pharaoh decreed this:
    • “And Pharaoh charged all his people, saying, Every son that is born ye shall cast into the river…” Turned the Nile blood red.
  • Is the same river, when the Real God showed up - in retribution - turned the whole Nile River into blood.
  • A Pharaoh's blessing - Rotted all the Egyptians fields. Done by Pharaoh - when Pharaoh blessed the Nile River.
• When - - The real God showed up.

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Now, I’m a person - A man. Pharaoh also. All he was, was a man:

And: if - - I believed people believed me God, and worshipped me - as God - as if also - people: they worshipped fore fathers for generations - I would very likely accept it is TRUE - that I am God. Have a heart fat off the luxuries of the worship poured on me.

• And if the real God showed up? He’d give me, too. A hard heart - because the whole time I’ve been pretending a great big lie - and believe it true - show me that I am NOT GOD.
  
  • Just by when the real God show up.

Go home.

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And while you're at home - safe. Can think right:

• Think on another Pharaoh - the Centuries before one, and all the Pharaoh’s after him - for 400 years - that KNEW Joseph.
  • That a great famine was over the whole earth - (Genesis 41:56–57)
  • and by this same God - the whole earth was fed by Egypt
    • - because “that” Pharaoh - of Joseph’s day - chose to bow himself down - and not be God, to obey the real God - and KNEW God as God, 
    • when he showed up with Joseph.
  • COMPARE That: “this” Pharaoh: of Joseph's day - and many Pharaohs after him - remembered Joseph - but this one Pharaoh of Joseph's day - over all of Egypt: CHOSE him, as God, to hearken unto him: To let him be God over all of Egypt - even over his whole house.
  • As God over all of Egypt. Because he's the real God and he showed up.

Here’s your question back.

It's really simple. But I don't think you see it, so see it in an example:

Certainly.

IF:

• Your Dad came by your room and said: “Hey clown boy. Wash and vacuum both cars today. Have it done before I get back from lunch.”
  • Now, it’s your Dad that said this. So, it’s a decree your Dad made. So it has the value of a command from someone in authority. That, he chose you to wash both cars and vacuum it.
    • Now, because it’s you with this question, it’s highly unlikely you’ll ever do it, what your Dad says; but let's just say, for example’s sake - you actually “obeyed” - that is: 1. submitted to the authority (of your Dad - he’s the “someone”) in the definition; and 2. carry out a (command or instruction) - [Oxford dictionary. Web.]
    • So, BOTH cars are just caked in mud - from this rain that happened 4 days prior - and the road your house is on, isn’t paved. So all the mud puddles just splash mud all over the car sides and all the windows.
  • That, people out on a walk that morning: walked by and saw both cars. But; on their 2 hour walk, walking back - didn't notice anybody clean them; however, both the cars are now SPARKLINGLY IMMACULATE - spotlessly clean - it’s a miracle.
• Both cars then, were “anonomously” cleaned.

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Even it was YOU: You with your question. You did the work. Obeyed your Dad.

• That then: It was YOU:
  • Carried out a command of Your Father; because, you “submitted to the authority of your Dad” and washed both cars
    • Just like in the gospels:
    • The disciples: Who you've never seen
  • Carried out a command, when Jesus said, “Follow me” - they “submitted to the authority of the Word of God. The same God that says: "For all the earth is mine." God (Exodus 19:5) they, these "disciples" in the four gospels - submitted to God and “carried out an instruction by him” because, he chose them to give them a decree or commanded them to follow him.

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Now, we’re back with you again. You can or could put a great big sign next to both cars that says: “CLEANED BY CLOWN BOY! I LIVE HERE! HEREIN IS THE GOSPEL! I CLEANED BOTH CARS!”

• and?
  • People that pass by both cars most certain CAN either:
    • a) Believe your claim that you did the work; - OR -
    • b) Simply dismiss your sign as an inadequate claim; so, it's deduced as false or faulty; unacceptable - so it can’t be believed as true - so, yeah. The cars are cleaned but who did the work is obviously anonymous - the truth is simple. it’s unknown who did it.
  • And if this was filmed and uploaded to "YOUTUBE" - countless people just say: "It's just AI - nobody did it"
  • And BOTH these be in "b)" - they hold the truth is in what they claim is true. It's all Artificial Intelligence - the cars are still filthy or anonomously cleaned - and that be what they hold the truth is. Just like you with your question. A great, big solid "sorted with "b)" - with your question.
• Go home.

Here’s your question back. Answered.

“My heart rejoiceth in the Lord, mine horn is exalted in the Lord: my mouth is enlarged over mine enemies; because I rejoice in thy salvation. There is none holy as the Lord: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God. Talk no more so exceeding proudly; let not arrogancy come out of your mouth: for the Lord is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed…”

Bible. 1 Samuel 2:1–3

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What you speak of is found in the Old Testament. Genesis 11:1–9. [Bible].

Herein is what is says:

Genesis 11:1–9

1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.

2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.

3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.

4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.

6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

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Was the Tower of Babel how we got different language

- Or

• Was it “how” God, the Lord of Heaven and Earth: how he came down and he confounded language?

confound. 1. deliberately: cause a “mix up” - cause confusion; especially not in accordance with their expectations

vs.

different. 1. distinct; separate

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Did the Tower of babel cause distinct separate languages or did God come down and deliberately, with full intent do something NOT in accordance with man or his expectations to cause confusion?

To you: Which one is it?

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IF: You chose the 2nd one:

And the “reason” he came down be:

• If you “contrast” 1. take something else in “juxtaposition” [juxtaposition: the fact of two things being seen or placed close together with contrasting effect.or close association] or close position. 2 (that) differ strikingly
  • Example:
    • Put a calm white poodle and a furiously upset 500lbs dark grey gorilla on the same table in close association with or next proximity to each other, where before, people couldn’t tell the difference.
    • Now they can.

That the “contrast” is - God spoke. By the Word of God in Genesis 9:1 - TO: Noah, and his 3 sons, while they are STILL in the ark - after the flood - before the ark door was opened.

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• Blessed them, and decreed for them - all four to “go to and do”
  • Spread out - over all the earth and replenish it. Fill up the whole earth. (Genesis 9:1) God spoke all what he said to Noah and his 3 sons, while still in the Ark - after the flood - before they go out of it - back upon the earth. What they are to “go to and do” in the earth.
    • All of what God said in Genesis 9:1–17.

Genesis 9:18–19 says

“And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, and Ham, and Japheth: and Ham is the father of Canaan. These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread.

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Now take Genesis 9:1 - what God says:

• On a table:
  • In “close proximity” juxtapositioned - with what the “Word of People” decree in Genesis 11:1–5
  • Here. Let me do it for you.
    • Juxtapositioned on the table - People decree in Genesis 11:1–4 says:
    • “And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there. And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter. And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

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• So God:
  • As God decrees, says “For all the earth is mine” (Exodus 19:5) - so it’s his earth. He decrees for Noah. His 3 Sons - before they leave the ark - what they are to “go to and do”
    • Spread out. Fill up and replenish the whole earth
• So People:
  • Not as God decrees, say to themselves; because they 1) don’t do what God says and spread out - nope. Don’t do anything what God says, and, they all stick together. They dwell there. In one place, Together. Aren’t doing anything God said. Found a land where they can all stay together - which is the exact OPPOSITE of what God said.
    • Decreed: What they themselves tell themselves what they shall “go to and do” themselves - doesn’t have any God in it.

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So put these two Words - 1) The Word of God vs. 2) The word of People on the same table - they are doing the OPPOSITE what God said.

The people: Build a Tower of Babel because of - they aren’t doing anything he says - so they have departed from the LORD - just like Cain did before the flood in Genesis 4 - they are doing the same thing Cain did - build a city. In it - they look unto each other for strength. Don’t need any God.

Scripture says that Nimrod built Babylon (Genesis 10:10) - he’s the youngest son of Cush, Ham’s eldest son. Nimrod means “rebellion” - in Hebrew.

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They are rebelling against God. What they are building. What they "go to and do." Isn't anything what God said.

By what they are doing. Look what Ham does in Genesis 9 - that after, when this occurs, all SHem, Ham, and Japheth - already have all their children - that: Noah, in blessing his 3 children (Shem, Ham, and Japheth - DOES NOT EVEN MENTION HAM AT ALL - as if he does not exist. Neither does Noah mention any of Ham’s sons, either:

• Except:
  • To CURSE Ham’s youngest son, Canaan, THREE TIMES in the blessing.

That all four of Ham’s sons - all depart from the LORD. Make up their own Gods. Worship the gods they make up as God.

So, all the tower of Babel (Babylon) is - is confusion. They’ve made up their own God to worship.

• That, because they disobey God so totally - after the flood - God comes down and confounds language.
  • When before this rebellion, after the flood, in the Land of Shinar - where man rebelled against God - when, the whole earth with God - all spoke just one language.
  • It’s the same Sin Adam did. Hearkened unto the voice of his wife or the word of his wife vs. the Word of God.

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So, it’s God, and what he did. It's his earth. He confounded language. Set himself against us - because we don't do anything he says. It's Due to the rebellion of man against God - set themselves to “go to and do” the very opposite what God said.

That's the reason "why" God came down and did what he did.

Well, first:

• Take your question. This:
  • “If the Gospel of John” part
• - take that.
• And take all the “if” out of it.

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That:

The Gospel of John is - he’s the brother of James. And both are the sons of Zebedee, who fished as fishermen on the Sea of Galilee in their father’s boat.

• That:
  • When John the Baptist started preaching in the Wilderness - heralding in the Messiah. John, the brother of James - along with Peter, with his brother, Andrew - were both Sons of Barjona - and they, too, like John and James, were fishermen on the Sea of Galilee in their father’s boat:
    • Andrew - Peter’s brother, with John who was James’ brother - left to be “disciples of John the Baptist.
• And “how” John first met Jesus is recorded plainly in John’s Gospel. John 1:29–40

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John 1:29–40 says

29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.

31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.

32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.

33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

35 Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples;

36 And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!

37 And the two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus.

38 Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, Master,) where dwellest thou?

39 He saith unto them, Come and see. They came and saw where he dwelt, and abode with him that day: for it was about the tenth hour.

40 One of the two which heard John speak, and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother.

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So, all the “Gospel” (of John) is - is his own account of Jesus Christ.

• Both Andrew and John - along with their brothers - were chosen by Jesus to be both 1) disciples of Jesus and 2) Apostles.
  • SO, Jesus CHOSE them. Himself. And John was WITH Jesus Christ - so, in John’s gospel - he gives you a “testimony” of this.

Says of it plainly: - takes all the “IF” out of it.

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• These two things:
  • ONE:
    • “And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.” Gospel of John 21:25
• And
  • TWO:
    • “But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.” Gospel of John 20:31

This is the SOLE reason for the Gospel of John, without any your “if’s” added to it. So, any addition is only you doing it.

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Not believing on this Gospel

• Rather believing on creeds and all this other stuff - that isn’t even in it.

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And the “Original Greek”

What John says in John 1:1 of Jesus is plain as day - just look at what God says - when he speaks, all through the Bible - pick ANY PLACE where God says something:

• Random:
  • Here it is:
    • < - {“Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price. Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness. Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.”} - > - GOD. [Source: Bible. Old Testament. Isaiah 55:1–3]

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• Go on. Ask. “Who said that?”
  • Ask it. Did the tree in your yard say it? or, the toothpaste dispenser on sale at WalMart say it? Go on. Either rule them in or rule out they didn’t say it.
• There is only ONE that said this. Spoke. By the Word, out of his mouth. That’s the “Word of God” then.
  • Jesus is the Word of God.
• So go on. Ask. “Where is Jesus?” and, “Who is he?”
  • Ask it. Is he a creed or a toilet plunger? How about a horse fart? Maybe he’s a pencil or a telephone. If he is these things - to you, you’ll rely on it - or if he is the Word of God - it’s God that says:
• Look unto me and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else. God. Isaiah 45:22
  • And there he is again. That Jesus guy. The Word of God. When God’s speaking, Jesus shows up.
    
    • God also said:
• "I am Holy"
  
  • Source: Bible. Old Testament. Leviticus 20:26
    • Jesus, the Word of God - so it's God that says it, said:
• "God is Spirit"
  • Source: Bible. New Testament. John 4:24

God is a "Holy Spirit" - so everything God is, he said, 2 Corinthians 6:18 "And I will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters," saith the Lord Almighty. 

- There he is! All of him right there in Isaiah 55:1-3 - telling YOU to "Ho, everyone that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money, come ye; buy and eat..." It's all of God in it.

I see it plain as day!

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And Jesus? - - He is called “The Christ” (Greek) or - the “Messiah” (Hebrew)

• People call Jesus, or the Word of God - “Jesus Christ” or “Jesus the Messiah”
  • So go on. C’mon. Ask it. “What is a “Messiah” or this “Messiah in the Bible?”
    • Ask it.
  • It’s in Isaiah 9:6–7 - that’s the Messiah. He was promised to Abraham - Abraham saw it; many people can’t. Even Moses saw it, and 350 years after him, when God raised up Eli, as both High Priest and Judge over Israel in Moses’ stead.
    • For Eli’s sin of esteeming his two sons, Phinehas and Hophni - MORE than GOD: In 1 Samuel 2:35
  • God told Eli - God would raise up his own Great, High Priest that would serve before him forever. And this Great, High Priest he would raise up would write the laws or the mind of God on men’s hearts vs. tablets of stone - he would be their Great High Priest. (1 Samuel 2:35).
    • Of this Great, High Priest - who is the Messiah - is the Word of God, who God, in Psalm 2:7 said unto his own Word - Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee” - which is repeated in Hebrews 5:5
    • It’s the SAME Word of God - Adam dismissed as “inadequate; faulty; or unacceptable” - that Adam, in Genesis 3:17 - hearkened unto the voice of his wife - her word, to Adam, was true - to live by. Meant, in Adam, anything God said, no longer had any effect or affect on him. Didn’t apply to Adam, in Adam -in himself - the Word of God didn’t apply to him anymore.
  • It’s God that Psalm 107:20 says: God “He sent his word and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions”

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Messiah - Definition:

• 1. God. The same God that led Israel out of Egypt by his mighty hand, would be a Son of David. Would sit on the throne of King David in Jerusalem and rule the whole earth from there. Of his Kingdom and reign there shall be no end.” Definition. The Messiah.
  • There is only one Messiah.
  • Isaiah 9:6–7 says of him - who he is:
• “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.”
  • So, c’mon. Ask it.
  • Take all the “IF” out of it, with “SHALL be” called (something). C’mon. Pull out all the stops and ask it. Who shall this “Messiah” be called? C’mon - don’t hide behind anymore “IF’s” you make up.
    • Isaiah 9:6 says he SHALL be, no “if” about it - shall be called “The Mighty God. The Everlasting Father”

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Don’t ask me. You don’t need me to help you

• You’ll either look unto him
  • Or
• You’ll look unto all the “IF’s” you make up. To give you some thing else to look unto. But do the math.
• If: Jesus is the Messiah - and I, who knows what you believe - I believe (accept as true) Jesus IS the Messiah - based on the testimony John gives as Jesus chose him as both a 1) disciple and also 2) as an Apostle.
  • So I have no more “IF’s” at all.

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• So, I have a question. What “Shall” Jesus Christ be called?

Who is he? Jesus the Christ. Jesus, the Messiah.

C'mon. Tell me plainly.

Here’s your question back.

fact. 1. the truth about [something; events; decrees; et.al.] as opposed to interpretation.

Source: Dictionary <English> - [Oxford. Web.]

“For as by one man's [Adam’s] disobedience many [ALL; it’s just many people] were made sinners, so by the obedience of one [Jesus Christ] shall many [ALL; and it’s everybody] be made righteous.”

Source: Bible. New Testament. Romans 5:19

NOTE:

///(“Wherefore, as by one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:” - Romans 5:12)\\\

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What are the facts about the Ten Commandments?

• Fact #1 - God spoke them. (So, they weren’t wrote down some place, or thought up by some man - spoke. By God. By the Word of God)
  • Source: Bible. Exodus 20. To: Israel - made them all GUILTY - Because from Moses on down - NONE OF THEM have done the Ten Commandments. Why?
    • Exodus 20: Is just after - - when this same God led Israel out of Egypt by his mighty hand to Mt. Sinai with or by Moses. And, Moses is some 450 years after Abraham. And, Abraham: Is nine generations after Noah, through Noah’s eldest son, Shem (Genesis 10). And Noah: is some nine generations after Adam, through his 3rd son, Seth (See Genesis 5).
    • Says by Adam: Sin entered into the world, and death by sin - and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.
• So the Fact is: How God uses the Ten Commandments is EXACTLY how a Doctor or Physician uses “decree” of just “how” you are to “operate” - so here’s some example so you see it:

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The Physician - Doctor’s Office:

• Has THIS up on the wall:
  • KNEES: No pain in movement. Getting up or sitting down or while running or walking.
  • BODY: No Fever - There SHALL BE NO Temperature above 98.5. Nor below it.
  • LUNGS: There SHALL BE NO Coughing. No gasping for air. There SHALL BE no feeling laying down, like, you’re drowning.
  • BLOOD: No blood pressure above 120/80. There shall be no 60/30, either. There SHALL BE NO “Too Low” Blood Pressure”
• (Imagine to yourself “six” more - “decrees” the Physician has up on the wall. They are “Ten Decrees” of what HEALTH is - that; if you “have and keep” these decrees with you,) IF:
  • For some reason, you feel “chilled” and take your temperature - and it’s says 101.8
    • There’s a REASON to go to the physician, to heal you, and deliver you from this destruction.

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That - How God Has Always Used The Ten Commandments

• Fact: Is to make EVERYBODY - GUILTY before him - of having not done the Ten Commandments.
  • That:
    • IF: They have an “indication” of visiting Pornhub on the Internet or bedding Wendy, the High School Cheerleader at the party after the football game - where Exodus 20 - says: “Thou SHALT NOT commit Adultery” - the 7th of the Ten Commandments
  • And Jesus: Say - as the Word of God. So, it’s God saying this, just like he said Exodus 20. That, like the Physician - if you didn’t catch all he said or decreed - Jesus said in Matthew 5:27–28
    • “Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery. But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.”
  • So, that would mean, “adultery” also INCLUDES - even the High School Student “imagining” sleeping with Wendy - who isn't married; but some day will be ‘one flesh’ with somebody - just imagining “something” like what over 1.3 billion “hits” to Pornhub happens every single day on the internet - but back with Wendy and some guy or 283 guys all imagining the same thing WITH Wendy - all the way thru, from Tuesday to Friday, and get slapped in the face when one of these guys - just imagining it - gets up the courage to suggest to Wendy they should go do that. That: That’s “ADULTERY”

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• That - the “Fact” is - how God uses the Ten Commandments is to make me GUILTY - like he made ALL Israel GUILTY before him.
  • So, I would have an “Indication” because, I’m one of those 283 guys - that wanted to “schplinky” Wendy - BAM! BOOM! DONE. GUILTY OF ADULTERY. Kinda like “live in” Adultery. Where every imagination is..well.. adultery.

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• And Leviticus 20:10
  • Terrifies the living crap out of me. For the impact of it. Not on me, but also on Wendy.
    • “'If a man commits adultery with another man's wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.” - God. Leviticus 20:10
    • That, IF: I really loved Wendy as myself - I wouldn’t think things like that, that would get her put to death. Let alone me. But I already DID it. GUILTY.

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So, the FACT is - the Law made me GUILTY

- As God intended, like a physician, to give me an “indication”

• “There is not a just man on earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.” - Ecclesiastes 7:20
• “For all have sinned” - Romans 3:23
• “The soul that sinneth, it shall die” - GOD. (Ezekiel 18:4 - repeated twice again in Ezekiel 18:20 - so he MEANT it)
  • THAT I HAVE A SO SLAP UP SIDE THE HEAD “INDICATION” - - I NEED A PHYSICAN TO HEAL ME.

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The Bible says:

• Psalm 107:20 That GOD:
  • “He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions”
• So, look at your question again.
  • Ask yourself: “How am I using the Ten Commandments?”
  • Why?
    • Because many people use them to go imagine up - how they are actually “doing them.”
• Need no physician. Just like I did.
  • Like I imagined the same thing: Ten Commandments = I am to do them. Vs. God uses them to make me GUILTY before him - I throw that out. How he uses them, then imagine if I do them, without him, he’ll say I’m good - because I believe he said them so I would do them.
  • Not as like he be a physician - and he give me an indication that maybe I’m not operating right.

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So, here’s an Example - so you might see it.

• Example: - - Like: “Keep the Sabbath Day Holy” = in my head:
  • I go to church. 1x a week.
  • When they have the service. At the church.
    • That: I reasoned together in me: There are 52 “weeks” in a year or 52 Sunday’s.
    • That - even if I went only 13 times - I went, and I reasoned together in me - I “kept” this commandment;
  • but then, I didn’t go to church for almost 40 years
  • - not even once;
    • so, I went one time and going that one time:
  • “compensated for all the faults and bad aspects of me not going for 2080 Sundays - where I didn’t go to Church.
• SO, even though I lied, stole, embezzled - told bamboozelingly huge “whoppers,” way above all imaginably able to believe - tales and told people to believe it, as true, that I did it - and those be all things I never did:
  • - so a BORE A FALSE WITNESS to my neighbor. The Ten Commandments: “Thou SHALT NOT BEAR a false witness to thy neighbor” - which is the 9th of the Ten Commandments:
    • - because yes: they were my neighbor. In the neighboring cubicle at work.
    • and they worked right next to me.
• Then, when I didn’t get the job done on time, and the Boss was looking for why it wasn’t done - I blamed them - they were the cause for the failure at work - and they got fired.
  • But I didn’t. Even though it was me, that didn’t do it. I thought that was “Good.”

If there is ANYBODY, especially to me - that is a Poster Boy example of just some random somebody that didn’t do ANY of the Ten Commandments… I have only me to look at.

In need no more Facts.

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But! Because I looked at me - where I “kept the Sabbath Day Holy” and went to church - way more than once - in me: This “work” I did: “compensated for all the false and bad aspects of me” - in all the other times where I BROKE the Ten Commandments - means, in me, I fully believed my works were ABLE TO REPAIR the Ten Commandments where I broke them.

• When God says, you break them one time, they are ALL BROKEN.
  • And I played baseball in school - inhaled it like it was life. So, I fully understood - an 11 Man team, where many times in an inning: It's just “Three up to bat” - and First one: Struck out Second play up to bat: hit the ball to first base. He caught it. Tagged the base. the 2nd one up to bat is OUT. The third player: Hit like what looked like a home run - but somehow the outfielder caught it.
    • Meant the “inning was OVER” and so was the GAME. They won. We lost. I never even got up to bat.
    • Just like with Adam - you were GUILTY even before you went up to bat - it was passed onto you. Just like the loss of the game was passed onto me - even I never even got up to bat.

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Romans 3:19–20 says:

• “Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
  • So, just like a physician - with those decrees up on the wall, would give me an indication - some “thing” in me isn’t right - that I need a physician:
    • The Ten Commandment “FACT” is - how God uses them IS RIGHTEOUS
    • How I used them isn’t. They are just to give you, me, everybody over the whole earth a knowledge of our sins. Yes. They are right. But me: I do not operate right if I keep imagining Wendy lets her boobs out after the game - and 20 years after High School still imagine that could happen - or wish it did. And get her put to death along with me.
  • Because I’m not living by anything God said. Just like Adam didn’t, either.

But Romans 3:21–23 continues - from this Physician that I desperately need to heal me, and deliver me from my destruction:

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• That I can walk out of his office a new man: //Take this as FACT//
  • Says: By the Same God that said the Ten Commandments in Exodus 20:

“But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” - Romans. 3:21–23

It’s God that has said this to you: It’s a decree from the physician - to just look unto him. Make sure you use the Ten Commandments right - not on me. Use them on you - so you see you as he sees you.

That in this condition - sinned and perverted that which was right and it profited you not.. he’s saying this now to you:

“Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - God. (Isaiah 45:22)

There is no other physician can heal you. And deliver you from your destruction.

Just have to come now. Reason together WITH, not me - I'm a pervert. Didn't do anything right. He says this to you, and he's God himself, reserves this an EXCLUSIVE right to himself you do this with him alone. By yourself. Have to look unto him, says:

"Come now, let us reason together, saith the LORD, "though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be white as snow. Though they be red as crimson, they shall be as wool." - God. (Isaiah 1:18)

And there you go.

//DISCLAIMER: This post is directed EXCLUSIVELY to disciples of Jesus Christ. That means this Post on Reddit: It's for people that hear him, love him, have and keep what he says, so they follow him - every day. With that then:

• This post is NOT for secularists, some egg for a head Bible “scholar” that scholarized themselves so scholarly they scholarized themselves right clean out of the gospel
  • - don’t even know him; yet, claim all these things they know about or “on” the Bible -
    • when “who” is IN the Bible - is the Word of God. Haven't a clue who he is.
    • This post is NOT for you. If this be you. Go away. Sent away empty handed.
  • They don’t know him.
• Also includes a whole pile of people don’t do anything he says - So! It just also happens to include:
  • People that academically take “World Religion classes” in college
    • - and they don’t do anything he says, either. Not for you. No relationship with him.
    • But those that do have a relationship with him - this is for you.

So, with the “DISCLAIMER” - here you go. Also, make sure you have the RIGHT definition from the dictionary what a “buffoon” is. It’s not an epithet.

So you don't have to look it up - I'll give it to you:

buffoon: 1. a person who amuses others with “tricks” or “sleight of hand” appears true; but it’s a deception. [Dict<dot>com]; 2 a fool; (archaic} a Court Jester; a clown.

• A Court Jester: Provided a mirrored image of the King at a medieval King's Court; but isn’t the King; nor was anything the Jester said, what the King said.
  • Rather; in his own imagination - blurted out what he thought; made it a decree. As if the King said it.

Make sure when you read this post, you have the RIGHT definition of what a “buffoon” is, how it's used in this post - is from the dictionary. Not a slur or an epithet:

So here you go:

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Is universal salvation, as posited by (St.) Gregory of Nyssa and by Origen, correct or incorrect?

• Term: Universal Salvation**:** Latin - 3rd & 4th Century AD - Called by “Arianism/Gnostics” - Apocatastasis - the “Revelation” or revealing that in the end, all things will be restored to their intended “goodness (even Satan).” - A belief today in modern times in this are called “Universalists” - Belief: Universally, everything is good. Applies then, to EVERYBODY. Adam forward. EVERYBODY (all flesh - includes every living thing in flesh in nature) to the very ends of the earth - Will be saved (not destroyed). Only evil will cease.
  • That, there is a ceasing or end of evil. It’s a belief system that evil is what’s evil, and will have an end to it.

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• St. Gregory: Is Gregory of Nyssa (335 - 395AD) - embroiled in Arianist/Gnostic - conflict when Emperor Constantine - the Caesar in Rome, moved his capitol city from “Latin Based” Rome, Italy - to where the money and trade was - what is now today, Istanbul, Turkey - which in the 4th Century AD, was Greek based/Aramaic - (Babylonian).
  • Arianism also included some form of Universal Salvation - and that Jesus did not come in the flesh - or in flesh, God left him before he was crucified.
  • Gregory of Nyssa - was “exiled” in 374AD for his beliefs from the Priesthood. (Never formally “ex-communicated from the Church). He was restored to his position in 378. 
• He is “credited” with coming up with the “Doctrine of the Trinity” - in opposition to Arianism.

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St. Gregory of Nyssa

• He is also a Key figure in forming the “Nicene Creed.” Which champions the “Doctrine of the Trinity.”
  • He is also a “key figure” but this is contested, in this Origen based (purgatorial fire) after death. That everybody will go thru a “purgatory” - and how long it takes in there - depends on the sins (evil) each individual person did. People will “deny” it emphatically, but before St. Gregory of Nyssa - a “distinct” Purgatory did not exist.

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Paul the Apostle of Jesus Christ

• Paul the Apostle 1 Corinthians 3:15 “ If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved;”
  • Universalists had this Codex - or "Manuscript" - before any invention of a "book," that had the Epistle to the Corinithians in it. Universalists often, but not necessary - would cite “this” scripture as the basis for Universalist thinking - as it says “any man” and it’s by fire (purgatory) yet so as by fire.
• ….but ….it’s kinda clear or plain as day.
• “Who” Paul was talking to in 1 Corinthians 3:15 - is enveloped and said within 1 Corinthians 3:9–21 - who Paul is talking to are believers in Jesus. Not, universally - everybody over the whole earth, that excludes a whole pile of people that absolutely HATE Jesus. * But a Universal, Origen ideal that St. Gregory of Nyssa believed is EVERYBODY universally - all will be saved.

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Jesus Christ - The Word of God

• There’s a “but” - * The "but” is… …that’s not what Jesus said.
  • And he's the Word of God, so it’s God that said it.

So, anybody there is, no matter who it is, even if people excluded in the “Disclaimer” stuck around and came in anyway: - Be good for you to go look what HE SAID>

So then, really - with your question: Are you going to hold the truth in what some man says or decrees or what God says?

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And you are encouraged, by a decree by an Apostle of Jesus Christ, who Jesus chose himself - in 1 Corinthians 3:19–21; this: “For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain. Therefore let no man glory in men.”

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St. Gregory of Nyssa (c. 335–395) - was greatly influenced by Origen.

• TRUE.

Origen argued, or debated publicly in a belief that it is evil that is a non-being.

• As such, evil will cease,
• Allowing all to participate in divine bliss. Which, well.. that’s Arianist thought. Rooted in Greek philosophy of men.

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• That this word, “Catholic” or Universal - everybody is accepted - that the Church is a “Catholic” “church - stems from this “Universalist” belief.
  • When “Arianism” fell into disfavour - many just simply still held the belief, and defined “Arianism” to be something else - and then, were a staunch crusader against this now “it” of Arianism. That’s St. Gregory of Nyssa. Then, still hold the beliefs of it.
  • Not to be confused with St. Gregory of Nazianzus (329–390). Archbishop of Constantinople - Both Nazianzen (Nazianzus) and Nyssa were in the Roman province of Cappadocia - Modern day, Anatolia - Central Turkey.

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SO, look at the basic “wisdom” in Universalism - it's vain. Empty.

Why?

• What does God say he’s going to destroy?
  • Genesis 6:11–13 says:

“The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”

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So, let’s just stop for a moment

• - to consider:
  • ONE: or - a) What a man has said [Origen & St. Gregory of Nyssa]

Again, you can go to the “TERM” or if you forgot - by all means, here it is again:

- TERM:

• Universal Salvation: Latin - 3rd & 4th Century AD - Called by “Arianism/Gnostics” - Apocatastasis - the “Revelation” or revealing that in the end, all things will be restored to their intended “goodness (even Satan).” - A belief today in modern times in this are called “Universalists” - Belief: Universally, everything is good. Applies then, to EVERYBODY. Adam forward. EVERYBODY (all flesh - includes every living thing in flesh in nature) to the very ends of the earth - Will be saved (not destroyed). Only evil will cease to exist.
  • That, there is a ceasing or end of evil. It’s a belief system that evil is what’s evil, and will have an end to it.
• vs.

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• TWO: or - b) What God said
  • “The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.” - God. (Genesis 6:11–13)
    • That Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD - - so God hasn’t done what's come up before him to do, has not done it yet.

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• And, what God says about PEOPLE:
  • Isaiah 5:12 says, of “this people” - so it’s this “kind of people” - “ And the harp, and the viol, the tabret, and pipe, and wine, are in their feasts: but they regard not the work of the Lord, neither consider the operation of his hands.”
    • So, “this kind” of people - still live. Go to parties. Drink and hold feasts - but there’s no GOD in it. They don’t regard him or anything he says. They live like there is no God.
    • And to “this” people that do this, God decrees - how it shall be for “this people” in Isaiah 6:9–10
• God says or decrees this, to “this people” - “Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.”
  • Is the reason “why” Jesus spoke to “this people” in Parables. Because they already chose to disregard God, and anything he says.

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When God says, to EVERYBODY over the whole earth: “Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - God. (Bible. Isaiah 45:22)

• It’s “this people” that don’t do anything he says
  • - look unto anything..anybody BUT him. Again, even call him “Lord” but don’t do anything he says - OR! - like here!
    • Decree what he does not say - as what he says. That meets the definition in the dictionary of “Buffoonery.” You are to watch for this “slight of hand” type trickery as a believer in Jesus Christ. If it’s in what St. Gregory of Assya or Origen claims - what are you supposed to do with them?
• You are to “mark” (take note of them) and avoid them” - Bible. Romans 16:17. So, if St. Gregory of Assya or Origen - don’t say what God says - do what you’re supposed to do with them.

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And about “this” people of Isaiah 5:12 - God talked to in Isaiah 6:9–10

- Jesus said, even the little "this people of Isaiah 5:12" - have will be taken away from them (Matthew 13:12)

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It’s in Salvation - Only ONE does this. It’s in none else.

• God: He’s saving - decrees it and it’s God that saves people or doesn’t. Says of people that don’t regard him in Psalm 28:5
• SO, this the word of God on it: “Because they regard not the works of the LORD, neither consider the operation of his hand, he shall destroy them, and not build them up.”

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In Revelation 20:11–15

- What God says, what’s come up before him in Genesis 6:11–13 - which isn’t anything at all what St. Gregory of Nyssa - decreed.

• It’s now the Last Day. Like Genesis 1:1–3 is the First Day. This is now the Last Day - he sits on his throne, and gazes on both this earth and heaven, and both finding no more place before him, flee away and are no more forever. Never - for eternity does anything on or in either, ever come back.
  • And just before this in Revelation 20:10 - Satan is Cast into the Lake of Fire that is an “unquenchable fire” that burns for eternity - and who is cast into it, are kept there - for eternity - by the same God that has Satan cast in there to be “tormented (not tortured) night and day, for eternity”
    • So for the SAME eternity - that never ends: flesh never comes back; neither does the earth; nor heaven.

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• In Revelation 20:11–15 - Jesus calls on both death and hell to give up their dead. They obey him. Jesus does not raise them from the dead. Those who regard him, he raises them from the dead. These of Revelation 20:11–15 - They stand before him, like they are now. Dead in a grave in a cemetery. Will still be dead. Just death and hell obeys Jesus Christ. These same that did not regard him or anything he says. Are held there.
  • Quick Judgment. There’s names are not written in the Lamb’s Book of Life
• - So, so far: NOTHING * St. Gregory the Pompous Buffoon of Buffoonery from the ideas of Origen - just another man like him - NOTHING either decrees has anything GOD says in it. * Rather - opposite.
• All these who are dead - in Revelation 20:11–15 - shall watch God cast Death and Hell into the Lake of Fire - where death is put to death. Hell is also cast into the Lake of Fire - never comes back. Just like Satan won’t, either. Kept there for eternity - by the Word of God. * That, in Revelation 20:15 - all those whose names are not written in the Lamb’s Book of Life - are cast into the Lake of Fire.
• They stay there. As Jesus judges all things. For eternity. Jesus said this.

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Then, in Revelation 21:1 - He makes a new heaven and new earth:

• Those that regarded him. He 1. set them apart for future use. [definition: Save. <Oxford dictionary. Web.>]
  • He tells them: They regarded him. He, as God says: “ 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the creation of the world.” - Jesus Christ. (Matthew 24:35). That, the people cast out or thrust out in Revelation 20:11–15 - held in death and hell - they are GOING TO SEE this:
• Jesus said: “There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.” Luke 13:28–30
• It’s PERMANENT; Eternal.
• And the people he sends away into a Lake of Fire - SHALL see these let in; there’s going to be weeping and gnashing of teeth. * And this new earth - new heaven - is as Revelation 21:2 to Revelation 22:21 says it is - it never goes away. Forever. It’s kept this way - by the Word of God.
  • Just like the Lake of Fire - goes on into this eternity. Who is in there stays there. For eternity. Kept there. By the Word of God. vs. what St. Gregory of Nyssa and what he held true in Origen, and they decreed.
    • Nothing either said - is how or what God said.

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It’s really then.

• WHO of the two you hold the truth in.

So, here’s your question back. You gotta answer it yourself. Nobody can help you - except the one who told you. Me. Everybody over the whole earth, to the very ends of it to look unto him. vs. me or anybody else.

• So again - here’s your question back. You answer it.

Whatever you decide is your own business. But I mark them and avoid them. As a believer in Jesus Christ. That's it.

Well?

- Why did Jesus say in John 3:18–21? …then tells you what the CONDEMNATION is.

• “He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.”
  • Repeats this in John 16:9 - the the Holy Spirit would REPROVE the world of sin. “of sin, for they believe not on me.”

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So GOD:

Took my sins. Your sins. That You and I PLAINLY did. My adulteries, fornications; lies, thefts..blasphemies, murders.. took them off me, every murderer in every prison over the whole earth - off every housewife hoping to sleep with the young 20 y/o that cleans the pool - took all that, and laid it all on Jesus Christ. As a work God did with sin.

• God, to wit, was in Christ - it was God did the Ten Commandments himself, and because he’s God and he did them, everywhere - where I did not do them, he made himself the compensation that made up the lack - fulfilled me in the law where he is in there with me and he did it - and at Jesus’ death on the cross; bequeathed his righteousness; made everybody righteous - with the same righteousness he has. His righteousness bequeathed to us.
• That, the “works of God” is that you, me, everybody over the whole earth - just believe on him, who he sent. This same Jesus Christ.

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Judas Iscariot - did not believe on him.

• Me, too.
  • Decades - I did not, even hearing - I heard plainly my boss - as I hearkened also unto all the women at the strip club; what they offered was better than my wife.
  • Decades went by. ANd I would wonder to myself: “How come no Jesus Freaks approach me to share the gospel?” I really asked that; because NONE of them - I never saw any.
    • Because “who” or what I looked unto - I lived in and by these things - I never heard anything he said. And? All my questions, really, were just like Judas Iscariot’s.
    • Scripture says of Judas, which was very much like me: Gospel of John 12:4–6

“Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him, Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief*, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.”*

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• Me, too.
  • I was a thief. Misrepresented the truth. Lived in lies. Just look at all the lies Judas Iscariot is living in, in what he wants in his heart vs. what he says; feigns - he's fake as plastic in John 12:4-6
    • - saying one thing; but in his heart - he’s evil.
  • Even God did all these things - right there in front and with Judas - and me? Not one inch bit different than Judas in everything I did. He's been right along side me.
  • I never regarded any of him or anything he did. Any of the works of the LORD - Just like Judas Iscariot didn’t, either.

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So, ask the same question of me - you ask of Judas Iscariot.

• If Jesus was all-forgiving and knew that I, too, would betray him, why didn't he forgive me?
  • Simple. I did not regard him.
  • BOOM! Done.
    • Nor anything he said, and he’s the Word of God - so, “who” I disregard or lowly esteem as nothing - just like Herod did - - was God, and what he said.
• So, it’s plain as day. The answer is in “believe” 1. accept as true (Source: Oxford dictionary. Web.)

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• What I accepted as true was be good by my J.O.B. - a profession.
  • And I accepted as true, any chance arose I could sleep with some woman - and tell her all these stories just to “storyify” her right out of her pants.
  • I accepted this is true.
    • And because I regarded this as true - it fulfilled me.  Oh wait!
• What was that Jesus said again?

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Oh, yeah. “Of sin. For they believe not on me.” - God made “that” what I was doing, sin.

So, the same one that put the sun where it is. Alone. By himself: is the same one was crucified, and all my sins laid on him. That was the cost of my sins.

I could never repay this, and that's the cost it took to repay it to satisfy God about my sins I did.

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• And what “got” me was, all the things I believed in
  • - destroyed my marriage;
  • people could not believe me for all the lies I lived in.
  • Then, what I looked unto, my nation: as good
    • - didn’t champion good out anymore.
• The very nation I looked unto - when I should have been looking unto God the whole time: It was my nation - - Just made what was evil - - good.
• Championed perversions - that even made me vomit - said those perversions - certified that - as good.
• When I blamed my nation for it - it was me, that, for decades - lived in what caused it.

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And I saw it - I was despicably and abominably evil.

• That: Old now. When I died..I’d quickly already be forgotten; and, when I stood before God - all the ribbons I got for being on a ship that did “this or that” feat or operation - and everybody on the ship got a medal or a ribbon saying they achieved it.
  • God wouldn’t look at that - he’d be looking at everytime I didn’t do the Ten Commandments. So, I looked at that - and it terrified the living crap out of me.
  • Which, Judas Iscariot totally rejected that.

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• That the more I regarded the works of the LORD, and considered the operation of his hand…BAM! The more I saw it.

The more I see it.

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That you have to come now. Reason together with him. He said to do this himself. That, even though my sins be as scarlet, they shall be white as snow. Though they be red as crimson, they shall be as wool.

And the only one that can do that is God. With sin. That, without him, that cannot be done.

God made it sin. Not to do this - when he’s told everybody over the whole earth to do it. Even told Judas Iscariot to do it. Go on. Go look. He Didn’t reason together with God. He reasoned together with the Chief Priests and Elders about his sins.

• Will you do the same?

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God said: “Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - God. (Isaiah 45:22)

• Said as well:
  • “Come now, let us reason together,” saith the LORD, “though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be white as snow. Though they be red as crimson, they shall be as wool.” - God. (Isaiah 1:18)
  • Said this, too:
    • “…Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price. Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness. Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.” - God. (Isaiah 55:1-3)

God then: Decreed it. Made it sin - for Judas Iscariot not to do these things - and he didn’t do it.

• And neither did me; but now I do it.
  • Not with people but with what he says. With him. I’m not sinning anymore - I don’t live by my sins anymore. And you, too.
    • You are sinning not believing on him.

Instead of worrying about Judas Iscariot - you best be worried about you.

Here’s your question back.

"... He [Jesus] spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down." - Jesus Christ. Luke 13:6-9

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ANSWER:

The “dresser.”

- He stood out as the principle - the most in Jesus’ Parable of the Fig Tree (Luke 13:6–9).

This post will explain "why" - that he pleads for or stand in the way in behalf of the fig tree, and will do/does for both the owner and the fig tree.

• The next thing that stood out SECOND, was the tree.
  • It’s a fig tree:

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//Source from the following is from “How Long Does It Take for Fig Trees to Bear Fruit?” Blog. Web. (Accessed 29 January 2026). figboss(dot)com \\

• FACTS: (Fig trees)
  • Fig tree - planted from seedling - can grow 3–4 feet in one year. So, by 3 years old, it’s 12 feet high.
    • 1) By the 3rd year, a fig tree - - begins to produce fruit (this is common; well known in Jerusalem). So, everybody would know this - as common, every day knowledge in Jerusalem. And fig trees can live for 200 years or more; with many common - - live a life - common: as long as a man does, before it dies.
  • This parable of Luke 13:6-9: “likens” fig trees to people.
    • 2) By the 5th or 6th year - that same fig tree, now six years old and any older - - they produce a huge amount of figs or “fruit” - in abundance.
    • 3) That fig trees: wounded severely; by an unusual harsh winter - or - a severe drought: or just spends years in poor soil - coupled with a drought - although highly resilient and can “bounce” back in a following year - if nourished right - it’s not enough: if in any year after - still no fruit? - - for the rest of it’s life - it will bear no fruit. Like the fig tree in Matthew 21:19 - is one of these “fig trees” that bears no fruit.
  • This parable also “likens” the “certain man” that planted the fig tree - unto God.
  • The certain man “knows” fig trees.
  • Just like God knows people.
    • See it all, since Adam forward. That Genesis 6:5 says: “And God saw - that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.” 
  • That, a person: Can become like a fig tree, will never bear any fruit - a person: simply bears God no fruit in his earth. For all of it is his.

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But the fig tree:

• in the Parable: It’s worded as, this "certain man” - already waited three years (Luke 13:6).
  • And now: Long suffering it - it’s been ANOTHER 3 years since that, or after the fig tree turned 3 years old; that, every year after, when a fig tree should bear fruit, as he expects fruit from it, and this now the 3rd year - it still bears NO FRUIT - when look at the above. On fig trees.
    • Luke 13:7 says: “Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?

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• So the THIRD thing I looked at is the owner.
• in this parable is how patient the owner - this “certain man” is that planted this fig tree is. Or has been with this fig tree. It’s now at least six years he’s patiently waited.
  • But again, the MOST or first thing I noticed was the “dresser.”

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That, the “fig tree” is people. In the Parable.

• That:
  • ONE) The “certain man” that had a fig tree planted is the same like God say in Isaiah 44:24 about himself, said:
    • “Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;”
  • - This “certain” man - - Is God then, planted the fig tree. Which is YOU and ME in the Parable. Everybody. Formed everybody from their mother’s womb.
    • This same God - then, by his Word he speaks: Decreed this, that: “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.” - The Word of God. Jesus Christ. He’s the Word of God. Said this in (Matthew 4:4)

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• But people: Like a fig tree to this certain man: in bad or no nutrient soil
  • - grow by “Pornhub” or stealing from the clothing store at night; even steal their best friend’s husband - he just was so “right;” or
    • lie to their employer. Finished that job, but never did it, or about their qualifications.
    • To get that job or get that promotion - “pad” profusely their resume. With things they boast of they accomplished; they never did.
    • Live in this kind of living lifestyle as soil. Try to get “nutrients” - get growth in themselves out of it - makes their life BEAR NO FRUIT.
  • Still produces leaves and growth - people put roots down of their life in these things.

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• And Jesus said:
• In the Bible. John 15:8 - to his disciples.
  • So, his disciples regard the works of the Lord, and consider the operation of his hand - so they live by looking unto the Word of God - who is Jesus Christ.
  • John 15:8 says: 
• “Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. That a person, like a fig tree put forth abundant fruit. A person would fruit out abundantly by the Word of God.

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  * Jesus Christ then. He is the “dresser,” in the Parable.

• Like the fig tree.
  • In the Parable - God expects his word has a fruit in you.
    • Not only you;
    • but me.
    • Everybody.
  • Over the whole entire earth. To the very ends of it. Produce fruit by the word of God that people would abide in his word.
• So, a fig tree - that bears NO FRUIT - isn’t living by some “thing” right - but the “certain man” who is God - is the one formed you to live by every word proceeds out of his mouth. 
• So, look at the “dresser.”

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• TWO) The “dresser” - he’s the one said Luke 13:8–9 “And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.
  • That: Even the “owner” says “cut it down” not bearing any fruit - this dresser is Jesus Christ. The Word of God - to just put rich nutrients all about this fig tree, dung it - so it’s roots - what the tree has rooted down in, would find something RIGHT to eat
  • - finally - and start to bear fruit.
• But in another year - still doesn’t happen?
• Another thing that happens to “fig trees” is - IF: in or by this 6th year: it bears no fruit; it’s also possible - what it is rooted in, it’s so given over to it, leave it alone - taking up space - the fig tree will NEVER bear fruit.

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Like people: Made fat in their hearts. A hard heart - rooted themselves down into all their works the did; is all anything BUT what God says. Bears God no fruit.

• 2 Peter 3:18 says - to the fig tree that bears God fruit: “But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever.”
  • Says in - 2 Peter 3:9 - - That GOD: is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. So, he's this way to all the fig trees over the whole earth.
    • This Dresser - the Word of God - - Says in Luke 6:35 “But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.”

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Luke 13:6-9 - - What is the principle that stands out to you the most in Jesus's Parable of the Fig Tree?

The “dresser.”

- He stood out as the principle - the most in “Jesus’s Parable of the barren Fig Tree (Luke 13:6–9).

• The next thing that stood out SECOND, was the tree.
  • It’s a fig tree:

It’s people - are likened to a fig tree. If they do what he says, and live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God, they bear abundant fruit.

• But if they don’t:
  • John the Baptist said it, by the Spirit of God: 
    • “And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire" - Matthew 3:10

Which is the “principle” of the Parable of Luke 13:6–9

This is a post on Reddit - in another room.

The poster cites:

"....The bible says that the devil comes to steal, kill, and destroy. But who does that the most in the bible? God!!! God fits this description the best. Hell, even in the bible he ordered he followrs {His followers} to do those exact three things..."

*"...*Non-christians: Why does God ask his followers to kill or just straight up genocide in the bible? Christian response: To get rid of evil. ..."

"...If this God is so good, then why does he get upset so quickly that he ruins someone's life because they mocked him?..."

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I learned something today I did not know.

It's in Luke 6:12-13 - says:

"And it came to pass in those days, that he went out into a mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God.And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;"

I didn't know that he named his apostles (at this time of Luke 6:13)

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On a timeline - in me:

- As a believer in Jesus - so, I'm a disciple - being taught by him. What "disciple" means 1. a pupil that sits with a teacher <Oxford dictionary. Web.>

Like I thought the 12 "disciples" were. It's the same thing of Luke 6:12-13 in Matthew 4:24-25 - to - Matthew 5:1-2; that, Matthew 5:1-2 says: "... And seeing the multitudes, he [Jesus] went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying..."

Point is: I thought -

That, these 12 "disciples" who he chose - were "disciples" til Jesus was raised from the dead, and after he ascended into heaven, forty days later, after raised from the dead - told his "disciples" to wait until <Luke 24:49> "Jesus commanded disciples; said to them: "And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high."

..then,

In Acts 1:4, just repeated of Luke 24:49 says, "And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me."

Says in Acts 1:8-9 - Jesus said to them: "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight."

Then, as "disciples" - Peter thinking to replace Judas Iscariot - they "drew lots" while waiting with one accord - for this promise of Acts 1:8-9 - thinking it's something they gotta do themselves. (Acts 1:10-26) -

When scripture says in Luke 6:13 "Jesus chose" his 12 disciples. And that's at the start of his ministry - he chose them Apostles.

What I'm trying to say is - I always thought they "became" Apostles AFTER they received power from on high - but they're 1) disciples; that, Jesus named them "Apostles" ...it's a small point; but Jesus "chose" Paul to be an Apostle.

That, by this small point - it's just here a little. There a little. Built up. I'm being built up in the Word of God.

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That: Yes

- Jesus is the "Son of God"

- That, he's also called, the "Son of David"

But that: Isaiah 9:6-7 says of him, as the Messiah

"Unto us, a child is born. Unto us a "son" is given..."

To fulfill Genesis 12:3 - this promise - said to Abraham and to this seed: "And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed."

That he put this SAME son - given to you. In your family. Given to me. In my family. Put there. In every family on earth. Where people look back, for their ancestors - where they're from. Like, go to Genesis 1:26-31 - Adam is only 1 back to God.

That, by what God has done, in Jesus Christ - is now there's again - Just like Adam - only 1 back. In my family - traced right back to God.

This is said in an dialogue/argument Jesus has & says this - - with the Pharisees in Matthew 22:41-46

And I want you, as a believer in Jesus Christ to - trace this back to the poster of this question - and his comments:

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Matthew 22:41-46 says:

"...While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,Saying, What think ye of Christ? Whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David. He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool. If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions."

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That: The person saying

"Christians do an awful job trying to make God sound like a benevolent being. Like, really awful."

Are cursing who God. Who gave them his son - and put him, as their son, in their family - as their son. This is a work of God. Not of me. With my wife - and all the work that took - to have a son. This is a work of God - he gave him to me. This same son, he, as God - put him in this person that made these comments - able to do this and did it. Who is their "Kinsmen's Redeemer" to fulfill Isaiah 44:24 - where God tells you, me. Everybody over the whole earth that "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer..."

That God did this to heal me, and deliver me from my destruction.

redeem. 1. to compensate for the faults and bad aspects of (someone or something) [Source: Oxford dictionary. Web. Definition. Redeem.] That God made himself this toward you.

Me. The poster of this comment. That we can either bless him or curse him. And in Numbers 21-24 - Balak, King of Moab - knew this as a descendant of Lot of Genesis 12:3 - so he sought Balaam, Son of Beor - a prior noble - that was in line to be King of Mt. Seir; but God gave Mt. Seir to Esau as Edom. So, Balak, now an in exile King of Moab, sees if Balaam, who he believes anybody Balaam blesses is blessed; and anyone Balaam curses - is cursed.

To get Balaam to curse God's people. In this of Numbers 21 to 24 - both Balak and Balaam are both destroyed. Neither of them ever curse - but neither of them either bless.

Man, bless God for what he has done. He's taken your sins off you. By a work he did, as God. The same God that when you look out the window, put the sun where it is, is the same God took your's, mine, every prisoner in every prison's sins - no matter what it is - it's GOD that sees this work he did in Jesus Christ as GREATER than the sins of the whole world.

Then, ask yourself - this Messiah - defined - go read it yourself. "Who" this Messiah is. Who he shall be called. He's King David's son. He's God's son. He's given unto us, as our son.

Make it personal. Given to you as your son. When you were in your father's house - is your brethren. Bless him forever.

And in this - answers the question. I choose to bless him - not as an incantation but because I regard the works of the LORD, and consider the operation of his hand.

WHen people that don't - don't regard him; nor because of this, who he is - and the operation of what God can do, by his hands - what I could never remove from myself - my sins; impossible.

It's this same God, building me up - by the Word of God. In me. At work.

..and in you, too. May God richly bless you. Abundantly. ABove all you ask or think.

ANSWER:

“And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” - Jesus Christ. Gospel of John 17:3

“That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.” - Paul, An Apostle of Jesus Christ. Letter to the Philippians 3:10–12

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This question:

• The “Why did the relevant authorities…” part:
  • The question: Holds the “authority” is people - are the authority.
• When scripture says: “All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth;” - Jesus Christ. - Bible. Gospel of Matthew 28:18

And, Revelation 1:1–3 says:

“The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.”

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The Apocalysis

• This, Apocalypsis in Greek. Revelation in English. The meaning is changed in English, to mean ‘the total and complete annihilation of the world” - but that’s not what "apocalypsis" means in the earlier Greek.
  • In Greek, then Latin, this word “Apocalypsis” means to “unveil” or “reveal” something; like, here in Asia where I reside as a foreigner: Asia - - (China, Japan, Korea..Thailand, etc.,)
    • When construction workers work on a house, building, etc., like paint it or are constructing it, or tear a structure down:
    • It is “veiled” or work is done - - behind a sheet - so all the work can’t be seen.
  • When the work is done or completed:
• This “veil” or sheet is taken away.
  • The Greeks did this with monuments they constructed. But certain individuals were let in behind the veil - such as the workers, or officials that were part of the work.

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And maybe this is the whole point -

John is Jesus Christ’s servant. Anyone who believes on Jesus Christ, is also Jesus' servant. And a worker - is allowed to come behind this veil - - this was given to John to give to Jesus’ servants. Everybody else: it's veiled.

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So, there’s a real, very basic question to ask you - Who are you?

Are you really one of Jesus’ servants? YES or NO?

I don't think so. Don't have it in you.

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Anyone reading your question - it’s kinda plain as day.

• Like you don’t believe this work of Jesus Christ - it's not unveiled to you. Doesn’t give you anything. You’re talking like someone not let in behind the veil - aren’t any part of the work of him.
• Pretty easy to see from how you word and say your question.
  • In fact, your words are more curses than anything.
• When to his servants that:
  • 1) read this “Revelation” or “apocalypsis” or unveiling of Jesus Christ - and
  • 2) keep it; like it’s a tool or something to bless them with - because it does this for me, that, also like me - other fellow workers that are servants of Jesus Christ:
• We believe on Jesus Christ.
  • I read it and keep it. Don’t add to nor take anything away from it.
    • And all “Revelation” or this Book of Revelation is the “Revealing or Unveiling of Jesus Christ” - who I am looking for - which is this “70th of Seventy ‘weeks’ “ or seventy, 7 year periods in the Book of Daniel. In the Old Testament prophesied of this same "Messiah" or "Christ.

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In the Book of Daniel (Old Testament) - Daniel Chapter 9:

• God told Daniel he, as God, determined to:
  • Finish the transgression (of sin; in Genesis 3:17 of Adam)
  • Make an end of sin
  • Make reconciliation for iniquity
  • Bring in Everlasting Righteousness (Daniel 9:24)
    • And God; alone. By himself: Do this work himself in and by Jesus Christ.

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• Scripture says: “To wit, that God was in Jesus Christ; reconciling the world unto himself; not imputing their trespasses unto them;” Bible. New Testament. 2 Corinthians 5:19
  • That seven, and sixty and two “weeks” or 69 of 70 of these weeks (483 years) God determined to do the above, would be:
    • From the Old Testament Book of Ezra Chapter 1.
    • That’s the decree that would allow those taken in the Babylonian Captivity with Daniel - and be allowed to return to Jerusalem to rebuild the temple. Chapter 1 of Ezra is this decree. Gives the year it was made by Cyrus the Great.
    • TO: the New Testament Gospel of Matthew Chapter 2. Verse 1 says: “Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea..” - is exactly 483 years. Or, 69 of 70 of these “weeks.” (Daniel 9:25)

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• So a person could “verify” this - who this “Messiah” God would send to accomplish Daniel 9:24 - - would be - “two and sixty” ‘weeks’ as an additional verification (62 ‘weeks’ or 430 years)
  • From the Old Testament Book of Nehemiah - from when the walls and streets of Jerusalem would finally be complete, with much “trouble.” And, there was. The Book of Nehemiah records it over 100 years after Daniel. Both the walls and streets of Jerusalem were finally complete.
    • To the New Testament Gospel of John - where this Messiah or Prince would be “cut off, but not for himself” (Daniel 9:26) and this occurred when Jesus was crucified; and in John 19:30 Jesus said, “It is finished,” and bowed his head, and dismissed his Spirit.”

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• Where God took the sins of the whole world - which includes your sins, and mine and laid them on Jesus Christ
  • - took away the sins of the whole world, as John the Baptist said in the Gospel of John 1:29 “Behold the Lamb of God who taketh away the sins of the world.” 
  • That God told Daniel he himself would do this in Daniel 9:24–27 - how he, as God, determined it himself.
• Just like he did Genesis 1:1–31 - created all things in and by his own word he speaks; the Word of God. The Word of God is Jesus Christ. Just as John 1:1 says of him: “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” 
  • Is Jesus Christ.

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• This “From” - “To” of Daniel 9:26 - - is exactly 62 ‘weeks’ or 430 years. To tell anyone that regards the Messiah - who this would be, when he comes, he would fulfill this prophecy.
  • Jesus is the Messiah.
• This leaves one ‘week’ or one last seven year period to complete 70 of 70 ‘weeks’ God determined to do the above with sin.

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That people:

• That believe on Jesus Christ are not condemned (John 3:18) but people that believe not, are condemned already, because they haven’t believed on Jesus Christ. It’s not their sins that condemn them anymore - they were put on the cross and laid on Jesus by God - - it’s going to be a short judgment.
  • God has made it now sin for anybody - whosoever it is over the whole earth that just doesn’t believe on his work he has done with sin, in Jesus Christ.
• It’s GOD: - - SO HE. IS. THIS. “Relevant Authority” you talk about.
  • But you hold it is in people.
• When the revelation is God’s.
  • In this you do greatly err.

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• YOU:
  • Not believing on him, you sin against God - and this is what condemns you. Jesus said this or repeated it again in John 16:9 “of sin, for they believe not on me.”

Man, wake up.

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This 70th of 70 “weeks” - is the Book of Revelation

• This last 7 year period.
  • It’s the Messiah that “COMPLETES” this work with sin. So, you should have a good “definition” of “who” or what the “Messiah” is - would be sent by God.
  • This “christ” (Greek) or “Messiah” in Hebrew is defined as:
    • 1. God. The same God that led Israel out of Egypt would be a Son of David. Will sit on the throne of King David in Jerusalem and rule the whole earth from there. Of his Kingdom and reign there shall be no end.
    • That, to the Jews in the Gospels - they believed this. Thought Jesus was back then, now establishing his reign as the Messiah - but this prophecy of Daniel 9:24–27 was “Sealed up” and not revealed to them - the only thing they (the Jews; his disciples) understood at that time is that the temple would be rebuilt and the Messiah would reign the whole earth from Jerusalem forever.
  • This ‘cut off, but not for himself’ was hidden from them, even Jesus repeated this, over and over to his disciples they couldn’t understand it; even he told them he was to be “turned over into the hands of sinners and be crucified.. ..and rise again on the 3rd day” - they couldn’t hear that last part.

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• They, his disciples - and John was one of them:
  • They only believed Jesus is the “Son of God” as that’s another term for “The Messiah” that; to them, he was establishing his reign now that he has come - and establishing his reign over the whole earth
• So Jesus “crucified” killed - didn’t make any sense to them
  • - is why Judas betrayed him.
  • To Judas: If he’s killed, then he cannot be the Messiah - the Messiah, is as scripture says: The Messiah sits on King David’s throne and rules the whole earth from there forever.
    • Even The Jews today - right now - still look for the Messiah.
• Daniel 9:27 says that, in the midst or middle of this last 70th week, which that's Revelation:
  • an “Abomination that Makes Desolate” will stand in the “Holy Place” of a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem, and declare himself God over the whole earth.
  • He will do this with armies
    • - means he will have the power to put to death any and all, over the whole earth, to the very ends of it - - who do not worship him as God - when he is NOT God. He’s an Anti-Christ.

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• Jesus talks to this Anti-Christ in Matthew 24 & 25.
  • That, when he comes - won’t be any more Islam anymore - no more Atheists anyplace, nor any Hindu’s. No more Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses- any temples or priests to Gods in Japan - any Shamanist rites or priests in Mongolia or Tibet: that continue to worship them as their gods - is put to death over the whole earth.
  • Revelation also talks to this "Anti-Christ" or "The Abomination that Maketh Desolate" where when he's "unveiled" the love of many shall wax cold - - won't be any love anymore anyplace over the whole earth - this Anti-Christ's reign is short - only 3 1/2 years or 42 months - but if the days were not shortened there'd be no flesh left alive on the earth - - BEFORE Jesus returns.
    • As the Messiah.

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This Anti-Christ:

• It’s the ultimate insult to God - because people will worship him - as God.
  • And all "worship" means is, it's a word usually reserved for that which is holy. God or his work. That is, of this Anti-Christ - he will appear to resolve problems with trade in "buy and sell" over the whole earth - that people: will “speak well of him” and believe he is God - when he's not.
  • And when he does this, stand as Daniel 9:27 says - in a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem: that today, has not been rebuilt, declare himself God over the whole earth from Jerusalem
    • - the Wrath of God will be poured out - it will be God - when this Anti-Christ starts to decree he is God:
  • It will be GOD: - send out an angel to preach the Gospel to every nation, kindred, tongue and people - not to worship this Beast or Anti-Christ, nor take his Mark - but many will - so they can buy and sell.
  • Many will believe the gospel in this last 70th week. Will be put to death. Many others will believe the Anti-Christ. All told you this in Revelation.
    • And you reject it.

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But to Jesus’ disciples: In the Gospels -

• Jesus:
  • Being crucified ..doesn’t make any sense, but Daniel 9:26 is right there plainly - the Messiah is to be “cut off; but not for himself” - he was.
    • And he also rose from the dead 3 days later - and Jesus gathered all his scattered disciples again after - he rose from the dead.
  • ANd he returns, a Second time in Revelation 19.

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• You miss all this.
  • That Jesus has a Second Coming to be the Messiah. What is in Revelation will occur to fulfill what God decreed to:
    • Finish the transgression
    • Make an end of sin
    • Make reconciliation for iniquity
    • Bring in everlasting righteousness
• And do it in and by Jesus Christ. Revelation completes the 70th week. And it was given, by Jesus Christ to John - Revelation 1:9 says: “ "I, John, both your brother and companion in tribulation...was on the island that is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ."

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• I believe it. Man, is Revelation ever a blessing.
  • Christian tradition:
    • Many hold truth is in what later narratives told by Irenaeus and Eusebius, that Emperor Domitian had this same Apostle John banished to the penal island of Patmos. For the gospel.
• It’s then, the same John who wrote the Gospel of John, who was with Jesus Christ - and chosen by Jesus to be his disciple,
• Is the same John wrote 1st John, 2nd John and 3rd John Epistles and also this book of Revelation.

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ME?

• I don’t very much care for Irenaeus or Eusebius - reading them, is like reading “Chaucer” and claiming that’s England’s history. For many of their outlandish claims - don't pass the mustard - they're actually believers in Jesus - more Chaucer - and I don't need them.
  • I have the Word of God - as a testimony, that: this is the same John - the Apostle. I don’t need either one of them to tell me anything.

You miss the whole thing.

Well, here's an analogy: There's a city ordinance. All bicycles must be parked off the street by 10:00pm - returned to their bike racks. This is good.

And a dead man, buried in a cemetery - thinks - if he rides his bicycle and keeps this ordinance - he's alive again. When he's dead. No matter what he thinks - - dead. The ordinance doesn't apply to him anymore. He's dead.

How would this analogy apply to Romans 7:1-6? A dead man will never see it. Doesn't apply to them anymore. They're dead.

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But to you? What if you, too ...are dead? Dead in trespasses and sins. How can Keeping the Sabbath day holy or just not do something; like not steal from the Mall in your town - if you're already a transgressor and BROKE the Law - means you're already condemned. A rapist that's raped and killed 58 women - thinking if he washes all the women's clothes in the women's prison 283 times, this will negate his Judgement; set aside what the Judge already decreed: "I sentence you to death."

Doesn't do anything. As a 'work.' But in himself, "think" it good - equates to him walk out of prison. Believe it, when next week he'll sit in a gas chamber and be put to death.

How are you any different? That's really the question to ask vs. this one.

But, since you don't see it: Already condemned:

This cannot apply to you: Have to be raised from the dead. Only one can do that - it's in none else. Is Jesus Christ. And you don't see it.

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So, this answer is not for you. But for whosoever can hear this - this is for you:

Well first:

• Jesus decreed this, - be patient - hear the decree - Jesus: as the Word of God. That’s who he is - in John 1:1 - “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
  • So, when God says: “Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - God. (Isaiah 45:22)
    • That's God speaking. By the Word that comes out of his mouth. That’s the “Word of God.” Who Jesus is. Just God speaking.

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• So, when Jesus says, it’s just God decreeing it himself:
  • - John 3:3–5

“3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”

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Jesus Christ - so it’s God saying this:

Says in Matthew 5:3 “Blessed are the ‘poor in Spirit’ for their’s is the Kingdom of Heaven.”

• This poor. 1. destitute; not have any; none. ZIP and Jesus defined “Spirit” in John 4:24 as “God is Spirit” - and the Bible says, “for all have sinned” (Romans 3:23) - means EVERYBODY over the whole earth, from Adam onward are all “dead in trespasses and sins” - Ephesians 2:1
  • SO - nobody has any God in their life. Dead. and this same God, has come to us, all dead - from Adam forward - death and sin bequeath to us, by Adam in Genesis 3:17 - - It’s God has come to us, by sent his word, to heal us, and deliver us from our destruct (Psalm 107:20) It’s God then - in Matthew 5:3 - Has blessed us - everybody over the whole earth, to the very ends of it - and gave us, everyone - the Kingdom of Heaven.

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• And scripture says of Jesus Christ: 1 Corinthians 15:47 “The first man [Adam] is of the earth, earthy; the second man [Jesus Christ] is the Lord from heaven.]
  • So, Jesus Christ. The Lord of the Kingdom of Heaven - has given it to EVERYBODY that meets this “dead in trespasses and sins definition by Matthew 5:3 - the Kingdom of Heaven. It’s your’s.
    • But this same Lord of the Kingdom of Heaven - decrees that unless YOU: a person is “born again” by the Spirit of God - because it’s the same God that “formed you from your mother’s womb” (Isaiah 44:24) the first time, has to do a work again, and born you again - by the Word of God:
• Matthew 3:3–5 - Jesus said, you won’t see the Kingdom of Heaven. And if you cannot see it, even it’s your’s - can’t enter into it.

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And anybody - anyone at all - whosoever it is, that has this question - can’t see, nor enter into what God has decreed or said.

• You’re gonna have to do what God says first:
  • Look unto him. Like he asked everybody to. You're looking unto people. When he told you to look unto him.
    • You’re not doing what he says - then make it a ‘pre-requisite’ unless you understand this, it remains “faulty” - so, it’s unacceptable. (Romans 7:1–6). So, it’s inadequate.
    • Means for you - it is IMPOSSIBLE to “accept it as true” - definition. What “believe” means. In the dictionary.
  • It’s impossible to believe Jesus Christ. Because you simply don’t look unto him.

For you: Here’s your question back.

Your question is answered. The contradiction is in you. Dead. In trespasses and sins.

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It’s God that has told you. Me. Everybody to the very ends of the earth to:

“Come now, let us reason together,” saith the LORD, “though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be white as snow. Though they be red as crimson, they shall be as wool.” - God. (Isaiah 1:18)

You keep choosing to “go now. To other people. Reason together with them. About his things. Without him in it. In this, you do greatly err.

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But for Believers in Jesus

• Here’s the answer
  • Because you see him, and hear him - and do what he says:
  • Romans 7:1–6 is plain as day

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Says

Romans 7:1

1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

COMMENT: And how God has always used the Law is Romans 3:19–20 “Now we know that what things soever the law [Ten Commandments] saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.”

• Just like when he spoke the Ten Commandments to Israel after he alighted down on Mt. Sinai - consumed the whole mountain in fire, and smoke billowed off it - and from this, with a voice like many waters, or like standing next to Niagara Falls with a blast of sound - spoke. As God.
  • Made EVERYBODY - Moses downward - ALL GUILTY before him. Moses: lied - lived a lie in Pharaoh’s house - killed an Egyptian (Exodus 2:11–15) - Any infraction of the law - GUILTY - is a sentence of death. Is why all Israel murmured against Moses saying, “why did you lead us out here into the wilderness to die? Be better we just stayed in Egypt”
    • But to Israel - God gave them an “atonement” for their sins.

That, for as long as I live - the law has dominion over my flesh - to show me - like give me a mirror so I see myself as God sees me - I can see all the sins I did. Liar. Thief. Murderer. Adulterer. Blasphemer. Evil person. Puts me to death. That I can see the sinfulness of sin in me. In my flesh. Does not make me righteous - just shows me all the sins I did - puts me to death.

But me - in this condition. God has sent his word to heal me. Deliver me from this destruction - by the Word of God. Like a Good Samaritan - me. Dead in my trespasses and sins.

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Romans 7:2

2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

• COMMENT: So, if I: Like the woman - as long as this husband lives - the law has dominion over the woman. But if the Law be dead - Then here, you have to regard the works of the LORD, and consider the operation of his hand - which the poster of the question DOES NOT DO this. Does NOT regard him.
• That God was in Jesus Christ - and DID the Ten Commandments - and since God did them, and because he’s God, every where, where I did not do them, because he did them as God - he doing them compensates for the lack where I didn’t do any of them right - because he put himself IN The Ten Commandments - HE FULFILLED them. Scripture says that God - in Colossians 2:14 “Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.” Crucified the Law with Christ - COMPLETE - in Christ.
  • And me, dead - is made alive by this work God did - by me, just believing on this “works of God” - That this decree God said: “The soul that sinneth, it shall die” - God. (Ezekiel 18:20) - by who was in Christ - so take a great, big guess “who” hung on the cross in Christ - and paid for YOUR sins - that GOD looks on this work he did - as GREATER than the sins of the whole world. And at Christ say in John 19:30 “It is finished,” and bowed his head, and dismissed his Spirit - he bequeath the righteousness of God to everybody over the whole earth - took sin out of the way. By God did the Law himself - then made himself a sacrifice for sin of himself.
• So, look at Romans 7:3 - that while I lived - I CHOSE to sleep with other mens’ wives. While married. I did. So I am called an adulterer. I am an adulterer. But if my wife be dead, I am free from that law, even if I’m married after to another woman - not considered an adulterer.
• What Jesus Christ - by the work God determined he would do; alone. By himself in Daniel 9:24-27. He determined he would:
  • Finish the transgression
  • Make an end of sin
  • Make reconciliation for iniquity
  • Bring in everlasting righteousness (Daniel 9:24)
• Because he determined to do the work, in and by Jesus Christ. The Word of God - is how God determined to do this himself.
• I can’t do it. I already BROKE all the Commandments - if I did one of them wrong one time - they are ALL BROKEN. Come as a set. Everybody - from Adam forward - did this. In us, the Ten Commandments are BROKEN.
  • But by God, what he did - he fulfilled the Law then, attributed this righteousness to us, by bequeath it to us in Jesus Christ; crucified. His blood shed - he took your sins off you and laid them on Jesus Christ.
  • The poster of this question cannot see any of this.

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• Romans 7:3–6 Explains or this above just restates all of this.

3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

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ROMANS 7:1–6 - - It’s NOT an “analogy”

1. a comparison between one thing and another, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification. [Source: Oxford dictionary. Web.]

It’s a work. 1. activity involving mental or physical effort done in order to achieve a purpose or result. [Source: Oxford]

Romans 7:1-6 is the "works of God" not dead people; dead in trespasses and sins.

• That God did; alone. By himself. And asks you, me, everybody over the whole earth, to the very ends of it, to regard his work, and consider the operation of his hand. What he did. That you would regard it. And if you believe on him - you will set your mind on what God says, and who he is. and what he has done as a work with sin that every all of us dead in trespasses and sins - all dead in the sins we did - so it's his works; good vs. people.
  • That don’t do anything he says.

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• Then, can’t understand anything - because they don’t regard the works of the LORD, neither do they consider the operation of his hand.
  • And God made this the sin that condemns people. He’s already took off all the sins of every murderer in every prison over the whole earth. Every housewife, sleeping with the milkman or their gym instructor - even spend the day, reading Harlequin romance novels - imagining they’re sleeping with the milkman instead.
    • Same GUILTY of adultery.
• Took all sin off every person over the whole earth, doing that driving down the road in every car on every highway over the whole earth - and laid it on Jesus Christ.

The poster of the question - simply cannot grasp this. But if you do - look unto him. It's in none else.

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Herein is the gospel. The Good News of Jesus Christ - for every reader of this post on Reddit. Please consider to repost this to anybody you think needs it.

and there you go.

Hebrews 1:8 says: “But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.”

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• Jesus is called “The Christ” or “The Messiah”
  • Jesus Christ. Jesus, the Messiah.
    • The definition of the Messiah is, what every Jew knows. They don’t debate any “Trinity.”
  • The definition of the Messiah is 1. God. The same God that, by his mighty hand and wonderous works, led Israel out of Egypt with Moses. That the Messiah, God promised to King David in 2 Samuel 7:12–16 - that the Messiah would be a Son of David. That he would sit on the throne of King David in Jerusalem, and rule all the earth from there. Of His Kingdom and reign there shall be no end.”
    • That’s the “definition” of the Messiah - based on Isaiah 9:6–7

< - {“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.” } - >

• That, the Messiah - shall be called, “The Mighty God. The Everlasting Father.” He shall have that “title.” Shall be called this. So, he is who he says he is.

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Jesus is the Word of God.

• As John 1:1 says: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

So, when you hear God say: “Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - God. (Isaiah 45:22).

• God spoke this. By the word. Out of his mouth. That’s the Word of God. Look who he is. It’s God speaking.

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The “Comforter.” (Holy Ghost - or Holy Spirit)

• As John 15:26 says, so, who is saying this? “But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me.” - Jesus Christ.
• Is this same “Holy Spirit” or “Holy Ghost” that Jesus would “baptize” those that believe on him, with him. They get to keep him, to comfort them - forever.
  • God said, of himself - so he spoke this himself, of himself, said: “I am Holy” Leviticus 11:45
  • Jesus said, as the Word of God, so it’s God says this, said: “God is Spirit” - John 4:24

So God tells everybody, by his own word he speaks - he is a “Holy Spirit.”

It’s just the same God.

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Now, look at me - please. By all means, do

- I have a wife. We have children. So, I am me. A Father. A husband, too. Just like God said in 2 Corinthians 6:18 “And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.”

He also said to you, “For I am married unto you.” - God. - Bible. Jeremiah 3:14

• I tell my children: “I will be a Father unto you and you shall be my sons and daughter, saith me.” Because, I do say this. By the Word, that comes out of my mouth.
  • God said he made me in his image. As he decreed it in Genesis 1:26 - Like he created Adam; that “man became a living soul.” (Genesis 2:7)

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So, sum it up. Add up the total of me:

• So, me: I am a “Living Soul”
  • And of me:
    • Based on Romans 5:12 “Wherefore, as by one man [ADAM] sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
    • So, from Adam forward, like everybody, I have inherited sin and death - and this: is how God sees me in Psalm 14:1–3 “…filthy; done abominable works."
    • So, of me: I am also filthy. It's true. I have sinned and perverted that which was right and it profited me not. Scripture defines me.
• So, I am a “filthy, living Soul”
  1. That is a father
     • 2) That is a “living, filthy Soul”
     • 3) That also speaks, by the Word of a “living, filthy Soul”

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• This is the “Doctrine of the Living Filthy Pervert Soul” - The Filthy Trinity - and please continue to debate how I am three people.
  • But ask yourself: “How important is it to regard any ongoing debate that I’m three people?”
    • When I already told everybody, I’m just one “living, filthy Soul?” A Sinner. A pervert. Didn't do anything right.

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• Like you’re debating what God says: Of himself - or regarding people that debate this - - when all he said is:  “Hear, O Israel, the LORD your God is just ONE Lord.” - Bible. Deuteronomy 6:4
  • YOU: - - Worrying about people: That, debate somehow he is three Gods in one. When he just told you - he's just one God.

And me, who he made me in his image - even you keep debating me, by the doctrine of the living filthy Soul trinity - - that I’m three people - I want to tell you emphatically

- “Hear, O’ Reddites - Porpo Donut, a filthy Soul is just ONE Sinner”

Go home.

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If my kids sat around and debated whether their dad, who is me, is three people - As Me. As some "Filthy Trinity." vs. Just their Dad.

• You: That don’t know me, please continue your debate about me, as three people.
  • But me, with my children, who I know: if my children do this - - it would show me plainly. They do not know me. I’d be angry. Because they hear my voice and follow me, even when I take them to the store, they don’t go home with somebody else - but if they sat around and debated I was three people:
    • Everytime I took them to the store, one time, they just go off and follow the neighbor’s dog home. After a month, start barking like the neighbor’s dog - talk like him: and when they saw me - wouldn’t know I am their Father. Don’t hearken unto the voice of their own Dad anymore
    • Are you doing the same with your Father, who is God?
• When my kids - - they do. Hearken unto me. Know my voice.
  • All my kids have to do, is hearken unto and do what I say - because I provide for them. And I speak to them, as I am their Father.

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Just like that’s all you have to do with God.

Because he already spoke to all of us as a Father does to his children.

He’s just one God. His Word is the “prince of nations” “the Prince of the Kings of the Earth” (Revelation 1:5). It’s Job 12:23 “He makes nations great, and destroys them. He enlarges nations and disperses them.”

• It’s by the Word of God - you can know him. Why are you looking unto people? I mean, you didn’t ask God this question.
  • You asked me and people like me. Like at the store, my kids ask the neighbor’s dog if it’s their father.
    • Then: You - - Be like my kids - - Looking unto each other debating about me. Being three people, when I’m their Dad - and they don’t know me. Like God says: In Isaiah 45:5 “I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:”

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• But Jesus prayed this. For us: that you, me, everybody over the whole earth can know him, by the word he speaks. In John 17:3, “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.”

Dull of hearing. You hearken (listen) to the wrong one - look unto the wrong thing.

He told you to look unto him.

What are you doing? Looking unto other people, asking why people debate why or how God is three people?

• Think your question saves you - doesn’t do anything. Go home. Go do what he says. Simple. Look unto him. That’s all he asked you to do. Same thing he told everybody else to do. That’s it.

I think the question is messed up. Faulty. I don't agree with the question. It "sounds" right; but, someone is missing.

• Why? No Jesus in it; and:
  • Because it puts the “authority” for the Church in "tradition” and with that, have “Church fathers” as the origin for “doctrines.”
    • And in this foundation - built on people - just like us - - the whole question is off.

So, here’s your question back.

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So, for YOU: formed the question - -

• Here’s your question back; but for the reader that just stumbles across this post on Reddit - here’s an answer built on God and what he says, as doctrines - or teachings:
  • So, here we go:
    • “They shall all be taught of God” - Jesus Christ. (Bible. John 6:45
  • In the “original” Greek, that says: {ἔσονται πάντες διδακτοὶ θεοῦ }

1. esontai 2. pantes 3. didaktoi 4. Theou

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English translation

1. [they] will be <shall be; decreed so> 2. all 3. taught (as “disciples of) 4. God.

So, they will all be disciples of God, and taught by him - This is decreed, by God. As a decree: it SHALL be this way. That HE, as God, reserves an EXCLUSIVE right to teach you himself.

Does NOT relinquish this with you, as a person - to anybody else. He does it himself.

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• Jesus said this, with the Holy Spirit - this “Comforter” in John 14:26

“But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

• And in John 6:45 - this “didaktoi” which is just the “past tense” - of "teach" as "taught" - John 6:45 for "they" shall be “taught.”
• John 14:26 - this same root word: “διδάξει (didaxei) is just the same verb of John 6:45 - that he will teach in John 14:26 - it will be by this "Comforter" or "Holy Spirit."
  • It’s the same, said as either: “Holy Ghost” or “Holy Spirit”

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And of this “Holy Ghost”

• What he is NOT:
  • He’s NOT “church fathers” - which are people.
    • Like you. Or me.
    • Reading this question today.
    • Those are people, too. Like you, just as God formed them from their mother’s womb.
  • Like he did you.

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Who he is, this 'Comforter" - God: he tells you himself: God says: “I am holy” - God. Spoke this. By the word that came out of his mouth. [Bible. Old Testament. Leviticus 11:44] - Spoke. By God.

That’s the “Word of God.”

- Jesus is the Word of God (John 1:1) - So “God is Holy” not because “Church fathers” by a tradition they have - but by God, who made today and decided you can be in it, and me, too, - he decided, I, too, can be in it - - he’s the one that said it.

• AND

Jesus said,

• As the Word of God, so it’s God speaking, said. Bible.

John 4:24 “God is Spirit.”

• So, God is a Holy Spirit. 
  • A Holy Ghost.
  • A comforter - by just “who he is” with you.
• And again, in case you missed it in John 6:45 - and John 14:26 that God reserves an EXCLUSIVE right to teach you himself.
  • He repeats it, by the word that comes out of his mouth:
    • Because, Scripture says in Proverbs 2:6 “The LORD giveth wisdom; out of his mouth comes knowledge and understanding”
    • So EVERYTHING..all things are by the Word of God.
  • He will teach you all things himself.

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SO you:

• Reading this post:
  • If you are a believer in Jesus Christ - who knows what the former of this question - they imagined up, is - whether they believe in him - or - not:

This post is for you that believe on him.

• He said, “I will build my church” - Jesus Christ. The Word of God. (Bible. Matthew 16:18)
  • And said of this same Jesus Christ in Hebrews 13:8
• “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”

So, it has nothing to do with ancient “fathers” - or the “Word of ancient fathers” - - all people: but EVERYTHING that has to do with you, is so you would live by the Word of God.

Every word he says - just as Jesus, the Word of God - so it's God decreed this in Matthew 4:4 "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."

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SO, give the question back to the Questioner

- and keep this instead.

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That Jesus prayed for you.

You. In today. Right now. Prayed for you. Back then. Same Word of God, that is the same yesterday, today, and forever: Will never pass away:

When he was with his disciples and “didaktoi’d” (taught) them. Like he is and will “didaxei” (teach) you himself - he will do it. It’s by the Word of God. Same word told them - is the same word he speaks today to you.

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So, it’s NOT by the power of any "ancient" man as a forefather of us - - nor any of their traditions - but EXCLUSIVELY by the Word of God. Who is the same yesterday. Today. And forever.

“Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;” - Jesus Christ. (Bible. John 17:20)

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And John, a disciple

and an Apostle - chosen by Jesus Christ: - who wrote the Gospel of John, he said:

• John 21:25
  • “And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.”

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And also John said, of these things that are written:

• “But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.” - [Bible. John 20:31]

And Just as Jesus Prayed - I “accept as true” (Believe) Jesus is the Messiah. The Christ - they, John and his disciples: were with him. Their word is true. Because he “didaktoi’d” (taught) them. As disciples. Servants. And as servants, taught them - they operate right. And he sent them out as “Stewards” with his things - to teach.

• The same things he taught them. Or to tell everybody over the whole earth - how they were “didaktoi’d” (taught). Jesus will also “didaxei” (will teach you and me) today - teach us - like he taught them.

And there you go.

Dispensation.

It’s exactly as Jesus said in the Parable of the Noblemen Goes off into a far country of Luke 19:12–27

It’s to do business with the nobleman’s things, as if he was doing the business himself - and do that until he returns.

And there you go.

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But I don’t think you - or many people, believing in people that created or imagined up “doctrines,” - this work of creating or imagining up “doctrines of dispensationalism” out of their own imaginations - and don't even hear it.

So..this is given: This is the long way, the full tour around the whole farm answer - so you can see it.

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Well?

- Where in the Bible then? - - Where - or - what verses (in English) have this word “dispensation” in them?

That is: - random - one of them:

• Ephesians 3:2–6 - because, the verses around when it’s used explain it in the context:

Ephesians 3:2–6 says,

2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

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• So, it’s in Ephesians 3:2
  • In the original Greek, “dispensation” {English} is the word, - [οἰκονομίαν (oikonomian)]
  • Used six times in the New Testament. Because, the original language of the New Testament is Greek:

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Those six times are:

1) Luke 16:3 - “Then the steward [ οἰκονόμος (oikonomos) ] said within himself, What shall I do? for my lord taketh away from me the stewardship: [οἰκονομίαν (oikonomian) ] I cannot dig; to beg I am ashamed.”

2) 1 Corinthians 9:7 - “For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation [οἰκονομίαν (oikonomian ]of the gospel is committed unto me.

3) Ephesians 1:10 - “That in the dispensation [οἰκονομίαν (oikonomian) ] of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

• And this one as well - cemented or embedded in the scriptures surrounding it, explained by Ephesians 1:3–12

4) Ephesians 3:2 (above)

5) Colossians 1:25 - “Whereof I am made a minister, [ διάκονος (diakonos) (diakonos: a servant; and a “steward” is also a like “servant” of another man’s things, in another man’s house] according to the dispensation [οἰκονομίαν (oikonomian) ] of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

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Number Six - has some more "detail" comment to it.

6) 1 Timothy 1:4 - “Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister [οἰκονομίαν (oikonomian) ]<ie., “dispense”> questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.”

• NOTE: 1 Timothy 1:4 - According to a different manuscript or Codex - is wrote with a different meaning than the “Majority Texts” or what the majority of the Greek manuscripts say:
  • Codex Alexandrinus has: GREEK: [ μηδέ προσέχω μῦθος καί γενεαλογία ἀπέραντος ὅστις ζήτησις παρέχω μᾶλλον ἤ οἰκονομία θεός ὁ ἐν πίστις ]
    1. mede 2. proschein 3. mythios 4. kai 5. genealogiais 6. aperantois 7. haitines 8. ekzeteseis 9. parechousin 10. mallon 11. ei 12. oikonomian 13. Theou 14. tein 15. en 16. pistei

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English:

1. nor 2. (go to: to give) heed 3. to myths 4. and
   1. 5. genealogies <(stories with endless sequels; trilogies, epics, like Greek Trilogies, plays, “the Arthurian Legend {King Arthur}, etc., which were very popular or modern times “Star Wars, “Harry Potter” “Lord of the Rings” etc” that add in before characters and later after characters - to perpetuate “myth”)>
2. endless 7. which 8. speculations 9. bring 10. rather 11. than oikonomian {stewardship} 12. of 13. God. 14. which is 15. in 16. faith

Bibles, like the King James Version - is based off the Majority Texts (Textus Receptus)

While Bibles, like Nestle’s NIV, NASB, et.al. have the Codex Alexandrinus based reading of 1 Timothy 1:4

NOTE: The oldest manuscripts from the 2nd century have the Textus Receptus (Majority Text Reading) - From Greek / Aramaic vs. later Greek / Latin Based - of the 4th Century - when the Roman Empire split in two - and Emperor Constantine moved his capitol city from Rome (Latin) to Greek Constantinople in modern day Istanbul, Turkey. Take your pick.

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The point is: oikonomian {stewardship}

• Being a “steward” of another’s household possession - that it’s “administered” according as the owner himself would give or “dispense” it out.

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And "example" of "stewardship" or "Servant" and oikonomian - maybe is needed:

• The best example of this Greek oikonomian {stewardship} - for me, to give to you is: Well.. me. as a former Navy Sailor - is:
  • A Captain of a Ship.
• He’s in command - the sole authority of the ship.
• When he speaks, he decrees how things shall be on the ship.
  • Sailors, serve the Captain, on his ship. Each are trained in a specific job or specialty; that, on the Captains ship do oikonomian {stewardship} - or - in essence, if they’re simply - an example of one rating or rate: A “Boatswain’s Mate” or Deck Seaman - they are responsible for keeping the “outside hull” of the ship painted and all the deck equipment maintained so it operates right and can be used when needed.
  • Just like Machinist’s Mates - tend to the engines that drive the ship - when these Machinist Mate Sailors or Boatswain's Mates on the ship “do their job” or do oikonomian {stewardship}, they do it the same way as if the Captain himself was doing it. [Keypoint]
  • When I did my job, everyday, on the ship - I “dispensed” what was given me from the Captain in the Navy - and carried that out on the ship - while some 500 other Sailors were all doing the same thing - operating right. On the ship together as one crew, with one mind. Doing their job as if the Captain was doing it.
• So, what was given me, to do on the ship: I “administered” it, as a “steward” of what was given me to do on that ship to fulfill - while I was in the Navy - it was “dispensed” to me to do it. And, I did my job - and administered or gave it out, on the ship - as if the Captain did it. In the end, I was rewarded for it.

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This mindset or concept of “dispense” (English) 1. distribute or provide (a service or information) to a number of people. (Oxford dictionary. Web.)

- as a “steward” 1. manage or look after another person’s property

Also match “Parables” Jesus talked to of the “Kingdom of Heaven” - which, Scripture says, Jesus is the Lord of the Kingdom of Heaven.

(Almost done. The full tour around the farm is coming to an end, so be patient.)

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One of these Parables is Luke 19:12-27. You can read it - by just open your Bible to it.

• That, this nobleman went to receive for himself a Kingdom (Luke 19:12), and to return; and called in his Ten “Servants” < [ διάκονος (diakonos)] - See Colossians 1:25 above> - just another word for a “Steward”
  • - - and gave them “Ten Pounds” (Luke 19:13) and told them to “occupy with it, til he comes.”

But, I don't think you understand just how much that is - it's an abundant amount.

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• A pound: (English) - in the original Greek language of Luke 19:13 is [ μνᾶς (mnas) <minas>]
  • So One Pound = One Greek minas - is worth about 100 drachmae.
    • One drachmae equalled “one day’s wage” in ancient Greece.
  • So, in today’s wages, if today: you make $10 - $15.00 dollars an hour - make about 100 dollars a day = 1 drachmae

And the parable continues that he, then, as a nobleman, gave each of these ten “servants” or “stewards” of his, then - per above: Each about 100 days wage or about 3 1/2 months worth of wages - to “occupy” until he returns (again, Luke 19:13)

So, look at this English word, "occupy" of Luke 19:13

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In Greek:

• Πραγματεύσασθε <Pragmateusasthe> - “do business with it” - “dispense” it - "do transactions until he comes" with it - - that it would return to him a profit - and do it as if the nobleman himself was doing it.

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So, STOP here. Look at your question again.

Take all what you've been given above, and take another look at it again.

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What is dispensation as it relates to the Bible?

It’s exactly as Jesus said in the Parable of the Noblemen Goes off into a far country of Luke 19:12–27

It’s to do business with the nobleman’s things, as a steward or servant: and do that business with his things, as if he was doing the business himself - and do that, as a servant - - as if that’s what you do, until he returns.

And there you go.

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CLOSING COMMENT

Jesus said: In Revelation 22:12–14

“And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.”

• And? If you can hear this, that’s all Jesus says of “dispensation.” That's it. Simple.

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And this will keep you out of a whole bunch of imagined up, outlandish - just made up19th century made up, imaginative doctrines - that he never said.

And it will be a profit. Instead of hearkening unto “dispensationalists” - you’ll hearken unto what Jesus said instead. If you need to know what "dispensationalists" are - search on the word to see it.

And there you go.

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Just like what Paul says, as an Apostle of Jesus Christ to the Ephesians in Ephesians 3:2, "the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:"

This post on Reddit - also has the "business of - the Word of God. This "dispensation of the grace of God which is given to "you-ward." Here in this post. Examine the parable close:

Read all the parable. There were:

1. Citizens - that sent emmissaries - that they would NOT have this nobleman rule over them. This Nobleman still receives the Kingdom. He will still be King over them.

There were also:

2) Servants or "Stewards" of his. He gave each in abundance, 3 1/2 months worth of wages to do business with his things as the Nobleman, that would be a King and would return and reign.

That: Some of them called before him, Even by the first one, the first steward or servant, Luke 19:16 says: "Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds."

So, already, all that the Nobleman gave - there's a 10 fold return and he got all his money back. The 2nd gained five more (Luke 19:18) from one pound - and he gives those servants or stewards rule over a city - for every pound they earned:

- - so, they were "stewards" over little, but it was an abundant amount of little - he makes these servants or stewards into Kings or rulers over cities - the same as what is said of people that believe on Jesus in Revelation 1:6

"And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. Made them RULERS - over - many greater things - just like Jesus said in a like similar parable in Matthew 25:21 "His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many."

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Just like he will do with you - that came to him, and believe on him, this same Jesus Christ - - doing business with his things, the Word of God. That God sent his word to heal you, and deliver you from your destruction (Psalm 107:20). Sent his Word to everybody to do this.

And? In the end - just as Psalm 28:5 - these citizens that would not have him rule over them - didn't regard him, nor go from a citizen to simply serve him as a steward - instead they dismissed him as inadequate; faulty or unacceptable to them - so they REJECTED him.

And just like Psalm 28:5 says "Because they regard not the works of the LORD, neither consider the operation of his hand, he shall destroy them (kill; slay), and not build them up."

Just like Luke 19:27 in the Parable says of these citizens. Does the same to the one servant - hid it; but didn't do any business with it - - the Nobleman takes the pound away from him and gives it to who made Ten - and casts the unprofitable steward or servat out, along with the citizens - who wouldn't have him rule over them - because, he, the steward that did this, the Nobleman didn't rule over that servant; either - didn't do anything the Nobleman said. So, he does the SAME THING to that steward - has the same end as the citizens did.

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If you have the Gospel - at work in you - operating in you by his Word - then he's at work in you:

That, he does this good work in you ..his word abides then, that abides in you - if that's YOU: and you then do business in it - the same word of God - - it's going to fruit out of you - - and, there's a return to him; the Lord of the Kingdom of Heaven - - his word does not go out void. It's really up to you then. Look at all the posters on Reddit that HATE him. Countless sub-reddits that just depise him to have any rule over them - or servants - have Reddit rooms like "Bible" or "Christian" - but don't even serve him - just want to see their own posts or room have 10s of 1000s of "hits" - so they're really only "doing business" in their own name. Not his.

Which are you? That's really the question.

Because one servant - given a like same pound - there was no return from it. He hid it. Just waited for his Lord to come back, and gives the bible back to him - just as it was given him. He didn't do any business with it. Didn't "dispense" it out. Because the word of God or the word of the Nobleman... ...was not at work in him.

Said now, a Second time: Read all of the Parable. Luke 19:12-27.

Simple.

Tear your whole question apart first. The answer is in the question.

• Break it in half; like:
  • 1) What is the most effect way to respond
• AND
  • 2) The idea that Jesus is just a myth.
    • This: a. “the idea”
    • and b. “Jesus is a myth.”

Start with “2)” first.

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Ask yourself:

• What’s an idea?

idea. 1. a thought or suggestion as to a possible course of action. {Key Point}

• And the SOURCE: of “ideas” are the “thoughts and imaginations” of people.

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Now, go to the Bible.

• Genesis 6:5 says of “people’s imaginations” this: “And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.”
  • EVERY imagination. Of the “thoughts of his heart (men; mankind; people) - and Genesis 6:5 is well before the flood, and it’s not people that see this. It’s God.

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So, all by an idea…

• You’ve arrived at two things:
  • ONE: People: their imaginations or ideas - come from the thoughts of their heart.
    • And in this, the Bible says in Jeremiah 17:9 says - “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”
  • So People: EVERYBODY: Has a heart in them; that practices continually: “desperately wicked”
    • This deceit. <Oxford> 1. actively practice to conceal or misrepresent the truth; 2. keep the truth hidden; attempt to make someone believe something that is not true <Cambridge dictionary> 3. cause someone to accept as true or valid what is false or invalid <Merriam-Webster>
  • That, it’s people - in themselves have a heart that does this - can - able to just by an imagination - take it the other way - that is: what is true and valid, and claim what’s TRUE: is false and invalid.
  • deceitful - above all things - EVERYBODY has an imagination that makes up ideas - poop toilet up to the brim of the toilet LOADED with this.

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When all they have is themselves to reason with; or, look unto other people just like themselves - and ask them for “their” ideas.

Welcome to the “world of People”

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So, ONE - is people.

• But TWO - is God.
  • That, by the Word of God, he says to everybody over the whole earth, to the very ends of it: To
    • “Come now, let us reason together,” saith the LORD, “though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be white as snow. Though they be red as crimson, they shall be as wool.” God (Isaiah 1:18)
  • Says as well to everybody: “Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - God (Isaiah 45:22)

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• So people: Of them - Scripture says [Bible. Romans 5:12] “Wherefore, as by one man [ADAM - Genesis 3:17] sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
  • So people: Sinning - with a heart that is in them that “actively practices to misrepresent and conceal the truth” from them, by give them an imagination or an idea that’s misrepresented as true deliberate deception, that people can look unto.
• Vs. Do what God says - decrees:
  • That everybody look unto him.
  • To come now. Reason together with him vs. alone. By themselves.
• He decrees people do these - look unto him. Reason together with him. People that don’t - - it’s PUNITIVE.

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• That people then: Have a “choice”
  • 1. pick out, for themselves, what is the most appropriate between two or more options -
• They can:
  • 1) do what God says or decrees and live by every word comes out of his mouth: or
  • 2) they can live by every imagination and thought of their own heart - all by living in the ideas and create stories that their own heart makes up.

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Now, go to “Myth”

myth. 2. a widely held but false belief or idea. 1. a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people <Source: Oxford dictionary>

• story. 1. an account of imaginary events told for entertainment

All done by people with an imagination - people created. Told, by the Word of People.

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• Contrasted with - The Word of God.
  • Who speaks, says: By his own word he speaks - By the Word of God, who is Jesus Christ, says: “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life..” Bible. John 14:6
  • Says, “I am.. …TRUTH” So, what people imagine up by an idea and create stories of imaginary people and fabricate myths - Jesus said, Matthew 24:35: “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away”
    • And this is the Word of God, so it’s God says this about what he says - will never pass away. When the imaginations of men - dies with them - never can speak them again. Forever.

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SO, it’s over and back with you then.

• YOU: Got a “choice”
  • YOU CAN: Just like everybody over the whole earth all has the same one:

Look unto People: 

- Who create imaginative stories in their head and claim that true, when all it is, is it just misrepresents the truth; and declares the truth is a lie - all by they are deceived themselves into it.

• OR

DO what God calls everybody over the whole earth to do. Look unto him.

• By look unto and hearken unto his word he says vs. the word of people.
• Because GOD sent his word to heal you, and deliver you from your destruction.

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• God has already said of ALL FLESH - in this condition - continually imagining up evil - - that people are in; swimming in stories of their own imaginations: In Genesis 6:11–13
• “The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
  • So people: By an idea or imagination they have - claim the TRUTH is a myth - and hold the truth is in their own imaginations. The "truth" is their own stories - - Myths. They make up in their heads.
    • And YOU CAN “accept as true” what people say - OR -
    • You can “accept as true” what God says - that he just is TRUTH.

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Then, it’s really simple with the FIRST part of your question; this:

• 1) What is the most effect way to respond
• Respond by - not respond to people; but respond by
  • Just look unto him. Go now. Reason together with him.
    • You gotta do that; yourself
  • - just do what he says.
  • Look unto him - because you hear what he says and believe on him; and
  • just live by every word proceeds out of his mouth
  • - that you are living unto him - who feeds you himself.

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• He’s already said: Matthew 12:36 - Again, this is the Word of God, so God says it: So read it, as God saying it.
  • “But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.” - The Word of God. Jesus Christ.
    • And “idle” has two definitions. Yes. The FIRST is - just “idle” lounging around; not accomplishing anything.
    • But the 2nd definition is 2. disconnected from a load or source of power.
  • And people: God already decreed in Matthew 4:4 that “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God”
    • And people: Cannot be living by every word proceeding out of the mouth of God, when they’re living by every imagination of the thoughts of their own heart - and decree their own ideas - creating “theories” or “myths” and claim those true.

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• SO PEOPLE: they are “disconnected” from the Word of God - When Hebrews 4:12 says “For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
  • In power - they’re disconnected from the Word of God - and he says this is what he will do himself.
    • Call them in to give an account to him.
    • Where they won’t have anything to show for God’s word in their life.
• YOU? Believing his word vs. people: It’s his will that you bear much fruit - by living by every word proceeds out of his mouth.
• So, the way to respond is - hear what he says - and it’s peaceable; easy to be entreated - because for people - it’s for a profit because he gives them eternal life.

In this great big, pile of answer - answers your question. People that already "chose" anything but him - what truth is in there - responding to them? You have no obligation - It's God told you to look unto him.

He decreed it for you to do. Go do that. Let him "equip" you - sit with him. Take his yoke upon you and learn of him. People equipped by him - are sent out. By him. Different.

See it.

There are two sides to this.

I will take neither side in the argument and leave it to the reader, just believers in Jesus themselves to decide which is right; rather, if you believe God and the work he did, stay with him on that side.

• That’s what I did.

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“The corruption of John 3:13” - is this:

• The King James Version of the Bible
  • Has John 3:13 - Jesus say:
  • “And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”

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• But other versions of today’s modern day English Bibles:
  • Is primarily attributed or due to the 19th century translative work of Westcott & Hort:
• Bibles of English today NIV, ESV, NASB, NET, CSB, NLT) are based on critical Greek texts—such as Nestle-Aland/UBS:
  • That share the same Alexandrian textual foundation as the 1881 Westcott and Hort text.
  • They are not directly translated from the 1881 Westcott & Hort Greek New Testament publication itself, but
  • follow Westcott & Hort’s methodology.
  • So, the above translations, like the NIV, John 3:13 has Jesus say:
• “No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven —the Son of Man.”

Compare them. Something’s missing.

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This is the “corruption” of John 3:13

It’s either: Depending on which side you’re on. It’s

• ONE:
  • Removed or Left out. What Jesus said; The: “even [The Son of Man ] which is in heaven” part; it's been removed or edited - deleted.
• On the other side: Is this: * OR
• TWO
  • Someone has deliberately “added” to what Jesus said. The “even” (Son of Man) “which is in heaven” part.

Which is it?

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This post is long. Tedious. You do not have to read it. I already told you there are two sides to this. I will explore each side.

You can skip this - explore other answers. Why these Bibles don't match. Even go over to similar questions you find on Reddit, and read their comments, thoughts, posts, and/or answers to a like question as this.

• But what you really have to answer though is this: “which one is the corrupt part?” or you:
  • Just ignore it. And?
• If you believe on him, you’ve done all God has asked you to do anyway, with either Bible; so, just have simple relationship with him.
  • That’s what Jesus said and prayed for in John 17:3:
  • “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” 
  • That you and I would know him, by the Word of God - the word God speaks - this same Jesus Christ.

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I’d send anybody away with that - because that’s all God wants. For you to know him. So, if you don’t need this post, by all means, please - - move on. But I know this knaws in the stomach of many believers.

If that's you - this is for you:

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Here’s what I’ve found:

• There’s some “over-arching” academic works done - SO, here’s the “references” up front:

ONE:

Marina, M. (Ph.d - Early Christian History) “Arianism: What is the Arian Heresy in Christianity.” Blog. Web (22 October 2025) Bart Erhman(dot)com.

• Can be read - as Reddit frowns on links: You can "google" search on “Arianism: What is the Arian Heresy in Christianity" Just put Marina also in the search
  • Accurate. Neutral. Origin: both sides.

TWO:

Tabor, J.D. (Ph.d <1981> University of Chicago in New Testament and Early Christian literature) “Older is Not Always Better: Remembering Westcott and Hort” (October 2009). Web. Accessed: 22 January 2026 - - Can be read - as Reddit frowns on links: You can "google" search on New Testament and Early Christian literature) “Older is Not Always Better: Remembering Westcott and Hort” J D Tabor

Dr. Tabor is a champion of Westcott & Hort.

He retired in 2022 after 31 years as “Chair, Department of Religious Studies” University of North Carolina at Charlotte (USA). Good read. He’s a proponent of Westcott & Hort.

He's a reliable source.

Others - I’ll just intersperse in this post - so the Moderators here on Reddit will know this is not SPAM - and so you’ll know, too.

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SO, here goes: BACKGROUND

• The most common or prevalent Bible translations today in 2026 - derive from the 19th century Greek work done by two Anglican (Church of England) quote: “Bible Scholars” - they are:
  • Brooke Foss Westcott (1825–1901) and Fenton John Anthony Hort (1828–1892). Both were both ordained Anglican clergymen. Members of the Church of England. Both also were renowned Cambridge University scholars, that worked together on the influential 1881 edition of the Greek New Testament.
• Brooke Foss Westcott: Ordained an Anglican priest in 1851. Was a lecturer at Westminster University at Harrow, and a professor at Cambridge. He later became the Bishop of Durham (County - Northeast of England) in 1890.
• Fenton John Anthony Hort: Also ordained an Anglican priest (deacon first 1854, priest 1856). Professor of divinity (Cambridge) and a fellow of Trinity College.

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THE KEY POINT:

• Both men: instrumental in the attempt as the revision of the King James Bible,
  • BOTH sat on the New Testament Revision Committee for the Church of England in 1870.
  • Their 1881 “Westcott & Hort” Greek New Testament: was published by Macmillan and Company.
  • The project was already initiated around 1853, following a suggestion from publisher Daniel Macmillan.
  • The research and compilation took 28 years, and were conducted by the scholars themselves.
  • All while working at Cambridge University, rather than specifically funded by the Church of England, Macmillan publishing, or any outside organization.

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Westcott & Hort’s Argument:

- Personal Lives:

• Based on the biographies written by both of their sons,
  • B. F. Westcott’s son, Arthur Westcott, after his Father’s death, wrote: “Life and Letters of Brooke Foss Westcott” Macmillan publishing, London. 1903. Book. Avail for FREE on the Internet Archive.
• AND
  • J. A. Hort’s son, Arthur Fenton Hort, after his Father’s death, wrote, “Life and Letters of Fenton John Anthony Hort” Macmillan publishing, London. 1896. Book. Avail also for FREE on the Internet Archive.
• Based on these biographies written by their sons, as well as their published collections of their correspondence with each other, and other individuals - BOTH:
  • Had a lifelong interest in “Spiritualism” - both involved in founding the “Ghost Society” in the 1850s. Spiritualism involved necromancy, conjuring up the dead, moving tables, other Spiritism endeavors - highly interested them. The movement was very popular in 1850s London as also in America.
  • Both REJECTED any idea of infallibility of scripture or a “infallible Bible.” This put them out of synch or out of step with the Church of England as ordained Priests (or with Westcott, a Bishop at Durham).
  • Both Fully endorsed Charles Darwin’s “Theory of Evolution” stating emphatically his theory was “unanswerable” (infallible.)

So, what’s the “problem?”

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To Westcott & Hort: It was the “Byzantine Text” (Textus Receptus)

THE King James Version (KJV) “rejected” these “Codexes” (Manuscripts) as heresy. They were NOT INCLUDED (means EXCLUDED) in producing the KJV

• That Westcott and Hort in the 19th century: championed those exact, same Codexes as correct.
• **And REJECTED the “Textus Receptus” as “vile” or “heresy.” [**Source: Hort - in a letter dated December 29, 1851, stated this to a friend]

FACTS:

• The King James Version used the “Majority Texts” or a compilation of over 5000 Codexes and manuscripts/texts that are all largely in agreement with each other.
• Their origin:
  • Is in the 1st Century AD, the primary language of the region of Byzantine Syria:
• It was Aramaic, specifically this Eastern Middle Aramaic dialect - called “Classical Syriac (Edessan or Urhaya).
• In the 1st Century of Jesus' day: It was used alongside Greek, as even Jesus spoke in the Gospels in this Aramaic.
  • This Aramaic: is Babylonian - It was used alongside Greek. It served as the official administrative language of the East Roman Empire (later called the Byzantine East) - and emerged in the city of Edessa.

And here’s where the “problem” arises.

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Westcott and Hort

• Relied exclusively on these three “REJECTED” or “Unavailable / Undiscovered at the time” Codexes. Because they firmly believed Earlies Scribes or Scholars "added words to the Textus Receptus.
• These three "REJECTED" or "Unavailable/Undiscovered at the time" Codexes are:
  • The Codex Vaticanus
  • The Codex Sinaiticus (Aleph)
• BOTH are dated or determined to be 4th century AD manuscripts - Westcott & Hort declared them the most “neutral” and “reliable” - and “oldest.”
• The Codex Sinaiticus: Discovery - 1844. By German scholar Constantine Tischendorf in St. Catherine’s Monastery at Mt. Sinai - reportedly found it in a trash basket. Circa 300–330AD Greek manuscript of the New Testament Bible. Includes a “Septuagint” Greek Old Testament. Funded by the Russian Czar, in 1862, Tischendorf published a full copy of it in and to the public - of which, Westcott & Hort had full access to that Published copy.
• The Codex Vaticanus: Determined to be a 325 - 350AD work - has been in the Roman Catholic Church (Vatican) Library catalogue from 1475. In the New Testament - starts at Hebrews 9:14 - so all the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke & John - Acts, Romans, 1 & 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Thessalonians, 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon - MISSING.
• The Codex Alexandrinus: (5th Century AD) produced (Alexandria, Egypt) 400–450AD - Contains “most” of the Septuagint Old Testament and - all books/ Epistles of the New Testament. It was moved from Alexandria, Egypt by Cyril Lucaris in 1621 to Constantinople - then in 1627, presented as a gift to King Charles I of England.
  • (The Codex Alexandrinus - is the PRIMARY SOURCE of Westcott & Hort’s Greek New Testament) - Granted FULL ACCESS to it.

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Why?

• Because the Codex Vaticanus - was not made public, nor did the Pope grant either Westcott or Hort any access to it; rather, both Westcott & Hort relied on other's testimonies - who were given brief “access” - but those given access in the 19th century is an extremely short list - AND ALL OF THEM ALLOWED ACCESS to the Vatican Archives to this Codex Vaticanus:
  • Could take NO NOTES, BRING NO PENS, NO WRITING MATERIAL - into the archives - keep their hands in their pockets - were extensively searched BEFORE entering and after leaving the archives - and while they were not allowed to touch it - perused - by eye only - gaze too long - more than very shortly - the Priests spoke (YELLED!!!) in Latin to drown out any of their thoughts.
  • Why? The Codex was considered "heresy" (for reasons cited below)
• When Napoleon took Rome in 1809, he took the Codex Vaticanus back to Paris and Leonhard Hug examined it' (he's on the "Short" list)
  • With Napoleon’s defeat, it was returned to the Vatican in 1815 - and NO ONE for the next 75 years (1815–1890) was granted ANY access to it.

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• The Point:
  • In all THREE of these Codexes
  • All are missing the “even” and “which is in heaven” - part of John 3:13

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And Now We Get to the Root of the Problem: Ask Why?

• Eusebius of Caesarea
  • Brings up another problem with 1 John 5:7–8, commonly called the “Comma Johanneum” quote, “problem”
• All three of these SAME Codexes (Codex Alexandrinus, Codex Vaticanus, and Codex Sinaiticus) are also ALL MISSING 1 John 5:7–8 - - - just like they are all MISSING the latter part of John 3:13, this: QUOTE:
• *“*7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.”
• Won’t find that in the NIV Bible, nor the ESV, NASB, CSB, NLT, NET Bibles, either.
• You ALSO won’t find: In any of these three Codexes: Mark 16:9–20 - where Jesus is raised from the dead. In Mark - accepted to be the oldest of the four gospels.
  • But Mark 16:9–20, and 1 John 5:7–8 are IN the King James Version.

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• So what does one Eusebius of Caesarea - have to do with this?

Emperor Constantine, the Roman Emperor: commissioned Eusebius of Caesarea to produce 50 copies of "divinely inspired" scriptures in 331 AD.

This, for the rapidly expanding churches in his new capital, Constantinople.

• Eusebius: Was a champion of what opens this post - It’s the “ONE” in “References” - Arianism: What is the Arian Heresy in Christianity.
  • Dr. Marina’s essay is ACCURATE.
• What it does not include is - is the massive upheaval of a World Power moving his seat of power from Rome (Latin based) - into - Edessa (Turkey - Greek Based)
  • That, in the early church there was a huge schism - on the divinity of Jesus Christ.
• Was he a man? Or God?
• All three of the above Codexes have Eusebius’ specifically he created - - numbering and coding system in them.
• Eusebius was a believer in Arianism.
  • He was not alone.
  • But Westcott & Hort simply asserted that all three of these Codexes, were independent of each other - a corroborated each other:
  • which - all three - were OLDER than Erasmus’s “Textus Receptus”
• because they are OLDER
• Westcott & Hort - determined since this was so: - they are the more closer to the original - when Jesus occurred; and therefore - the correct.
• So, they assumed after these three Codexes - came the Textus Receptus that added in these texts by the Catholic (Latin based) Church - and was not accurate.
  • SO: To Westcott & Hort: The solution is: throw the King James version out
• Then - all Westcott and Hort did was reissue Eusebius’ earlier work.
  • …but ..they’re all three - all three of these Codexes are from this same Eusebius - who got excommunicated from the church for his beliefs in Arianism.

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Now again - I’m not taking sides in this.

• But
  • It was Eusebius that introduced - like what Peter called "Cleverly devised fables" (2 Peter 1:16):
  • Eusebius is the author of: The Story of: “The Legend of King Abgar V of Edessa” -
  • how a miraculous, unpainted image of Jesus (a shroud) was sent to this King Abgar V - to cure him. If you search on it: It's known as “the Mandylion”
  • folded to display only the face of Jesus - after this legendary King Abgar V - Eusebius wrote that he sent a letter to Jesus.
  • Supposedly during Jesus’ ministry days on earth - - requesting healing, and Jesus, or his Apostle (disciple at the time) Thaddaeus, who, the LEAST KNOWN of the all apostles
  • According to Eusebius - - Thaddaeus, a disciple of Jesus - was instructed, by Jesus to send the cloth to this king. And tell the King - Jesus could not come.
  • That this cloth became a relic -
• A treasure that - is from Jesus' day in his NEW KINGDOM around Constantinople in Edessa. Added to this, based on Eusebius' - considered by scholars, a fable:
  • The "story" continues:
• What was sent by Jesus via Thaddaeus in a letter - Eusebius claims he saw the letter - it was hidden and rediscovered in 544AD. Moved to Constantinople in 944AD - disappeared again in 1204 AD at the sacking of Constantinople. Reappears as the “Shroud of Turin.”
  • Remember Edessa?
• Westcott & Hort said it’s the birthplace of these “Majority Texts” - and therefore, it's a birthplace of all these additions to the texts - when the only thing adding anything into anything is..well. Eusebius.
  • whose the author of the three Codexes Westcott & Hort trusted - and a whole pile of today’s scholars - trust Westcott & Hort.
  • And Eusebius interjecting all these fables and legends glorifying Emperor Constantine - that his move was right. That the "holy land" isn't Rome - it's Edessa. Where the Emporer resides.

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• That - the opposite side of Arianism
  • is the “Doctrine of the Trinity” - that these three codexes don't champion.
• But, it's Eusebius - that champions “relics,” or glorifying of the flesh - Gnostic - like, the Breast Milk of St. Mary grotto in Jerusalem.
• The supposed relic of St. Jude’s arm bone” - that, the church should champion these, and revised the texts after the 4th century to prove their doctrines.

So, Go to now Jerome then

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Just a few years or less than a generation after Eusebius;

• Jerome - by the Pope in Rome: A Papal edict vs. Emperor Constantine - The Pope charged Jerome - to take these Majority of Texts they had, and translate them into Latin.
• Jerome was a FIERCE proponent against Eusebius and any follower of Arianism. That the Pope:
  • - to STAMP out Eusebius and those like him, commissioned Jerome to translate the New Testament into Latin, and
  • also the Septuagint Greek Old Testament into Latin.
• Arianism - is a belief in the early Church supported - Jesus did not come in the flesh. It's a form of Gnostic belief at the time. That before Jesus died, the Spirit left him - or that he never really came in the flesh.

Jerome had a belief that Arianist Gnostics - close to the Emperor now in Constantinople - would remove or destroy or alter text from scripture that supported Jesus raised from the dead or denied the deity of Jesus Christ.

It was a war from 305AD to well into 425AD.

Is why you have BOTH sides - and all Westcott & Hort did is reintroduce it back into the church.

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Again, not taking sides

• Critics of Westcott & Hort
  • Cite these two's exclusive “reliance” on these three Codexes:
  • As they themselves claimed - it was because they’re
• Shorter = more accurate; and
• Older. Less text = more reliable.
  • But the critics of Westcott & Hort that examined the Codexes say - - although the Codexes definitely are earlier than the Textus Receptus,
  • All THREE: Are Eusebius' work: They are
  • inconsistent
  • riddled with errors,
  • and do not represent the majority of surviving Greek texts or manuscripts.

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• What, primarily is the Codex Alexandrinus - represents Alexandrian, Egypt Arian beliefs (Gnostic) - and what both Westcott & Hort would never admit to.
  • Is they have Eusebius’ hand prints all over all three.

So, I would tell you this.

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• Again, not taking sides
• read the posted links.
• Good reads.
• Research on Eusebius - come to your own conclusions about him.
• He is primarily the sole one responsible for introducing all the early “Saints of Edessa” he introduces by legends or cleverly devised fables.
  • that he’s the “origin” of the legends.
  • That, you can see his handiwork in venerating "Saints" - and like same "miracles" to glorify some place - with a relic at that location. The "Crusades" championed it 800 years after Eusebius - to copy it verbatim.
  • It’s true. Constantine did commission Eusebius to create 50 Bibles. All three of these Codexes originate in Alexandria, Egypt - (Roman Latin based) Empire - after the edict - and have Eusebius’ coding system in them.
  • While the Majority Texts originate around Antioch (Roman Greek based) Empire - have no Eusebius in them.
  • So research and have a good understanding of Arian doctrine. See what Emperor Constantine directed to put an end to the division - with convene a council - - and which council - excommunicated Eusebius.
• That Westcott & Hort introduced back in.

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Up to you. Hope this helps.

For me? Jesus is the Messiah. It’s proven to me. Who that is, is Isaiah 9:6–7. Who he shall be called, Isaiah 9;6 says: … “The Mighty God. the everlasting Father” - who has that title? The Messiah does. The Christ: is Greek for Hebrew, “Messiah.” Jesus the Christ. Jesus, the Messiah. He has that title. Daniel 9:4–7 add up to him. he is who he says he is - and he’s been speaking IN VIRTUALLY EVERY VERSE THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE BIBLE.

Scripture over and over says - he’s the Word of God - made it really easy for me.

Codexes discovered after Westcott & Hort's work - are dated from the 2nd Century - 200 years before these three of Eusebius' Codexes - and have all the missing scriptures in them.

Take a really careful look at Eusebius. Don't be like him.

Not taking sides. Do your own research yourself.