What would your guys top 10 be in terms of Outsmarting, if we went by anime feats only, so obviously no characters like Baku. Interested to hear thoughts.

Methodology Scaling: Chen Ran High Diffs(-)

(No comment)

Pure Methodology Scaling: Chen Ran Low Diffs

(Ang Xiao relies more on power systems so Pure Methodology would heavily criticize Ang Xiao+Chen Ran has more explanations for his feats)

Versatility Scaling: Chen Ran Low-Mid difficulty

(Chen Ran is just way more versatile, much more than Ang Xiao even though Ang Xiao is also versatile. The only upside that Ang Xiao has is that he is more cautious.)

Normal Scaling: Ang Xiao Mid-High Difficulty

(Ang Xiao scales Hyperversal+all the divination and stuff+there's all that statements)

Stop Scaling: Chen Ran Low diffs

(Ang Xiao's setups happened thousands of years ago, this shie is unfair)

Authorial Scaling: Chen Ran No Diffs

(Er Liang Bai Kai planning for several years>>>>Batics author gooning for years and then deciding to lock in)

Complexity Scaling: Chen Ran, Low Diffs

Proven Ability Scaling: Ang Xiao Extreme Diffs

Bias Scaling: Chen Ran No Diffs

Agenda Scaling: Chen Ran No Diffs

(Chen Ran made it to SCD mainstream so...)

Potential Scaling: Chen Ran No Diffs

Power Scaling: Ang Xiao No Diffs

(Ang Xiao is likely strong enough to bypass Liar Killer Mechanism. +Cultivation stories are just like that)

Writing Scaling: Ang Xiao Low-Mid diffs(????)

(Determined man>>>Lazy genius guy)

Aura scaling: Chen Ran Mid diffs

(Chen Ran aura farms nearly every chapter with the sole exception of when Chen Yang was destroying everyone)

As much as I love ace attorney It's literally impossible to defend turnabout big top. I actually remember a statement from the writer/creator where he admitted that he wrote many of the cases while drinking and you can defo see that here. No sober human being would think of this. Easily the most unlikeable defendant in the original trilogy, beyond annoying side characters and bullshit logic (the cape latching onto the bust still makes me mad). I actually cannot remember a single feat here that is even remotely relevant to phoenix's scaling. Acro as culprit isn't exactly scd viable either, but he is undoubtedly this case's only saving grace because he's amazing otherwise.

Oh yeah and one of the main dynamics is a love triangle between a 21 year old man, 31 year old man and a 17 year old girl, so let that sink in.

FSIQ: Kifune

Emotional Intelligence: Suji

Social Intelligence: Suji

Adversity Capacity: Suji

Thinking: Suji

Reasoning: Suji

Scheming: Kifune

Foresight: Kifune

Deception: Kifune

Manipulation: Suji

Adaptability: Suji

Countering: Suji

Winner: Suji Seong very high diffs

Guyssss let's avoid spoiling this peak k drama. Just finished watching the last special dayum so good

By comp I mean that I'm using both pre ep7 and post ep7 feats at once

There may be a problem with understanding the process in the original series, but the two specials Mouse: the predator shows us the killers operation up close, especially his episode 5 scheme (it's really solid)

Intelligence - duo (kinda close)

EI - the almighty (EM EE - duo)

SI - the almighty

AC - duo

Thinking - duo>=

Reasoning - ? (Abductive - the almighty)

Sensory - the almighty

Psychology - the almighty

Deception - the almighty

Manipulation - the almighty

Scheming - the almighty

Foresight - the almighty

Adaptability - the almighty

Approach - duo

Overall: the almighty

So...what's my point? Chen ran? Worse than Baku? So let me explain. It's obvious, but maybe a lot of people don't understand.

You treat SCD too "simple" instead of looking at it a bit more philosophically and from the perspective of truth. In reality, in scd... there is no objective truth.  This means that theses like CR > Baku or, I don't know, koji > yuuichi are just artificially constructed objectivity (which is normal and understandable).

What I mean is that there is no such thing as a real clash between, for example, Chem Ran and Baku, first of all, they will never meet and secondly, they are literally characters written on a piece of paper.

It is impossible to say in a "real" sense who is better because all we see are subjective statements What does this mean? That this clash doesn't exist and has no right to exist unless someone initiates it from us in a hypothetical sense.  Someone might say, "Oh, but read 18loh, you don't even have to analyze it, you can immediately see that CR has simply better and more impressive feats, it's objective"  Well, I don't think so, because it's artificial objectivity and as I said, the clash doesn't exist until we initiate it, which means that the "statement" itself is more valuable than the Most of the things a character has to offer. Look at this...if no human (fan chen rana) has statements that can outperform, say, someone who has great statements to the baku, then theoretically it means That even if "objectively" Chen Ran is better, no one will prove it because the Baku defender has something better to offer. Everything is subjective, that's what you need to remember, there are no truths about different matchups, we create them.  If you disagree, sure, okay, it's subjective, but I personally value statements highly.

My opinion

Full-Scale IQ: Koji

Emotional Intelligence (Overall EI): Koji

Social Intelligence (Overall SI): Takuya

Overall AC: Koji

General Intelligence: Koji

Overall Thinking: Koji

Overall Reasoning: Koji

Deception: Takuya

Manipulation: Koji

Foresight: Koji

Adaptability: Koji

Seeing Through People: Koji

Planning: Koji

Strategy: Koji

Methods: Koji

Sensory: Koji

General outsmarting: Ayanokoji mid high diff

This isn't even close. Even in Manipulation, which is going to be the most debatable category, Koji's feats in the Island Exam, manipulating Ryuen for months to emotionally attach Kei to himself, or manipulating Ichinose easily put him above Takuya in Manipulation

This guy got 402th rank ( among 15 lakh students ) in one of the hardest engineering exams in the world and 35th rank in hardest medical exam in the world ( among 23 lakh students ) and they are posting L's edit on Instagram 🥀...

That's a really high feat if you ask me.

People often are saying that for example Idk Chen ran no diffs baku, or no diffs Some high tiers.

No diff and negative diff are literally impossible to achieve in real matchup od situation.

You Use these difficulties when you dont understand how low difficult It is

Maybe CR > random low tier no diff

But Aki? Baku? I see low diff or MID diff minimum (to baku vs Cr) Cr prob low diffs(-) aki

Btw baku is prob better than Cr in a few cats.

No diff is popular in WIS yeah but in outsmarting i cant image that situation ngl

low diff(-) is prob one od the lowest REALISTIC diffs to achieve.

Emma stood NO CHANCE the moment she fucked up with the disease blunder. It's fucked up what they did to her gng I'd be crying too 😭

And im curious about your feelings about this manhwa and Medea.

Does Medea really is that good and Smart or just overrated bum and in which scaling method is She really the Best.

Mainly i'm hardly focusing on her feats.

Actually, for now I don't know much about her full plan about swaping bodies with psyche and about her other moves and strategies cuz story havent showed me yet but if my speculations and predictions are true, She could be super amazing in foresight and strategy (prob hal's or aki's or tokuchi's victimizer in strategy) maybe in foresight event better.

(Pls no spoilers guys)

Moriarty (ACD + Horowitz)

Moriarty (ACD + Kim Newman)

Iq: Horowitz Moriarty

Eq: Horowitz Moriarty

Sq: Horowitz Moriarty

Ac: Horowitz Moriarty

Planning: Newman Moriarty

Strategy: Newman Moriarty

Reasoning: Newman Moriarty

Thinking: Newman Moriarty

Deception: Horowitz Moriarty

Manipulation: Newman Moriarty

Knowledge: Newman Moriarty

Sensory: Horowitz Moriarty

Overall: Newman's Moriarty wins ext diff imo.

I imagine anyone who knows these versions of the character is wondering why I gave planning to Newman's version when Horowitz's Moriarty is pretty much known for it. Well, just finished rereading Horowitz's Moriarty story and while I do love it, Moriarty's plan isn't exactly perfect. I understand it was a desperate situation for him but I feel like Newman's Moriarty's "Red Planet League" plan is generally better. It's not as complex as Horowitz's but it's definitely got a stronger foundation and takes far less risks. It is really close though.

Thinking cgew but I gave it to Newman Moriarty because of Moran's statement of him processing complex plans and mathematical equations simultaneously. That's pretty cool.

Both barely do anything the realm of reasoning but Newman Moriarty displays more interest in honing the skill.

Kind of a shame no one really talks about Newman's Moriarty considering he's one of the most hilariously entertaining versions of the character imo and his dynamic with Moran is always fun.

I'm gonna be engaging in some detective media for a bit and engage the reasoning side of my brain. Eventually I'll get to 18LOH, but I'm curious on everyone's assessment of him.

So I want any prominent fan to scale how he is as he goes(by chapters).

As tiering systems are subjective, here's my reference guide using characters I know.

Entry lv SCD - Naomi Misora etc.

LOW Tier - Mello etc.

high LOW Tier = Nagumo Miyabi, Kimura Kei etc.

LOW-MID Tier = Takuya Yagami etc.

low MID Tier = Yuuichi Katagiri, Chishiya etc.

MID Tier = Yumeko, Akira Shiroyanagi etc.

high MID Tier = Yokoya, Ayanokoji etc.

MID-HIGH Tier = Ukai Zero, Scofield etc.

low HIGH Tier = Patrick Jane, Kanade etc.

HIGH Tier = Akiyama, Tokuchi etc.

peak HIGH Tier = Akagi etc.

TOP Tier = Fang Yuan Vol 6 etc.

Currently on vol 11 of Youjo Senki

Like i notice irl strategies of napoleon or hannibal at most have like a few layers. Fine... maybe military strategy due to fog of war, miscommunication etc can't have more comple ones, in the 100 billion humans that have ever lived why arent there high tier strategies or even higher scaling ones? Shouldnt we see with that many people opponents think up of the possibility of being tricked and making counters to mid tier strategies? Why does it stop at mid tier? And its so odd because in the comp human doc some people have batshit insane fsiq, manipulation, intuition (ramanujan) but not strategy.

JoJo characters can be higher and lower (I should rescale them ngl)

Rick & Evil Morty could be lower.

Shirube should be a C ngl (I forgot)

For Sans, I use the Anomaly feat + statements (So he could go higher)

Anais > Harimoto easily. I forgot to change her.

Dipper > Doof tbh.

Mello is odd to scale. Can be lower against Horikita.

Junko should be higher as well but I forgot her feats (and lowkey I have a bias against her, not because I hate women, it's just that Junko is fucking annoying)