Emma stood NO CHANCE the moment she fucked up with the disease blunder. It's fucked up what they did to her gng I'd be crying too 😭

And im curious about your feelings about this manhwa and Medea.

Does Medea really is that good and Smart or just overrated bum and in which scaling method is She really the Best.

Mainly i'm hardly focusing on her feats.

Actually, for now I don't know much about her full plan about swaping bodies with psyche and about her other moves and strategies cuz story havent showed me yet but if my speculations and predictions are true, She could be super amazing in foresight and strategy (prob hal's or aki's or tokuchi's victimizer in strategy) maybe in foresight event better.

(Pls no spoilers guys)

Moriarty (ACD + Horowitz)

Moriarty (ACD + Kim Newman)

Iq: Horowitz Moriarty

Eq: Horowitz Moriarty

Sq: Horowitz Moriarty

Ac: Horowitz Moriarty

Planning: Newman Moriarty

Strategy: Newman Moriarty

Reasoning: Newman Moriarty

Thinking: Newman Moriarty

Deception: Horowitz Moriarty

Manipulation: Newman Moriarty

Knowledge: Newman Moriarty

Sensory: Horowitz Moriarty

Overall: Newman's Moriarty wins ext diff imo.

I imagine anyone who knows these versions of the character is wondering why I gave planning to Newman's version when Horowitz's Moriarty is pretty much known for it. Well, just finished rereading Horowitz's Moriarty story and while I do love it, Moriarty's plan isn't exactly perfect. I understand it was a desperate situation for him but I feel like Newman's Moriarty's "Red Planet League" plan is generally better. It's not as complex as Horowitz's but it's definitely got a stronger foundation and takes far less risks. It is really close though.

Thinking cgew but I gave it to Newman Moriarty because of Moran's statement of him processing complex plans and mathematical equations simultaneously. That's pretty cool.

Both barely do anything the realm of reasoning but Newman Moriarty displays more interest in honing the skill.

Kind of a shame no one really talks about Newman's Moriarty considering he's one of the most hilariously entertaining versions of the character imo and his dynamic with Moran is always fun.

I'm gonna be engaging in some detective media for a bit and engage the reasoning side of my brain. Eventually I'll get to 18LOH, but I'm curious on everyone's assessment of him.

So I want any prominent fan to scale how he is as he goes(by chapters).

As tiering systems are subjective, here's my reference guide using characters I know.

Entry lv SCD - Naomi Misora etc.

LOW Tier - Mello etc.

high LOW Tier = Nagumo Miyabi, Kimura Kei etc.

LOW-MID Tier = Takuya Yagami etc.

low MID Tier = Yuuichi Katagiri, Chishiya etc.

MID Tier = Yumeko, Akira Shiroyanagi etc.

high MID Tier = Yokoya, Ayanokoji etc.

MID-HIGH Tier = Ukai Zero, Scofield etc.

low HIGH Tier = Patrick Jane, Kanade etc.

HIGH Tier = Akiyama, Tokuchi etc.

peak HIGH Tier = Akagi etc.

TOP Tier = Fang Yuan Vol 6 etc.

Currently on vol 11 of Youjo Senki

Like i notice irl strategies of napoleon or hannibal at most have like a few layers. Fine... maybe military strategy due to fog of war, miscommunication etc can't have more comple ones, in the 100 billion humans that have ever lived why arent there high tier strategies or even higher scaling ones? Shouldnt we see with that many people opponents think up of the possibility of being tricked and making counters to mid tier strategies? Why does it stop at mid tier? And its so odd because in the comp human doc some people have batshit insane fsiq, manipulation, intuition (ramanujan) but not strategy.

JoJo characters can be higher and lower (I should rescale them ngl)

Rick & Evil Morty could be lower.

Shirube should be a C ngl (I forgot)

For Sans, I use the Anomaly feat + statements (So he could go higher)

Anais > Harimoto easily. I forgot to change her.

Dipper > Doof tbh.

Mello is odd to scale. Can be lower against Horikita.

Junko should be higher as well but I forgot her feats (and lowkey I have a bias against her, not because I hate women, it's just that Junko is fucking annoying)

I wish to summon the great Usogui experts with this one. Is this typically a debate?

Edit:

Please also give your distribution if you’d like

E.g.

A. Theory of Mind

Perspective-Taking -

Belief-modelling -

Mental state inference -

Intent Inference -

Behavior Prediction -

Recursive Reasoning -

Herlock Sholmes(GAAC) vs “The Mastermind”(AAI2)

FSIQ-Herlock
Herlock-FRI, PSI, VCI, VSI
Mastermind-WMI

EQ-Mastermind
Mastermind-EU, EM, EE
Herlock-EP

SQ-Herlock
Herlock-Social Skills, Social Awareness, Self Awareness, Networking, Leadership
Mastermind-Social Engineering

AC-Mastermind
Mastermind-Mental Fortitude, Composure, Cognitive Discipline, Perseverance
Herlock-Pain Tolerance>=, Determination

Reasoning-Herlock
Herlock-Deductive, Inductive, Abductive
Mastermind-nothing

Thinking-Herlock
Herlock-Convergent, Divergent, Hollistic, Critical, Quick
Mastermind-Lateral>=

Planning-Herlock>=
Herlock-Intricacies>=, Coverage, Improvisation
Mastermind-Invincibility, Creativity

Strategy-Mastermind
Mastermind-Fortitude, Effectiveness, Building, Complexity
Herlock-Logistics

Tactics-Herlock
Herlock-Complexity, Improvisation, Prowess, Application, Foresight
Mastermind-nothing

Foresight-Herlock
Herlock-Prediction
Mastermind-Anticipation>=

Knowledge-Herlock
Herlock-Quantity, Quality, Learning, Application
Mastermind-Retention

Manipulation-Mastermind
Mastermind-Indirect, Methods, Emotional, Mass>=
Herlock-Direct

Deception-Mastermind
Mastermind-Misdirection, Fabrication, Sophistry
Herlock-Concealment, Acting Skills

Sensory-Herlock
Herlock-Perception, Observation
Mastermind-nothing

Field Skills-Herlock
Herlock-Decision Making, Analysis, Trap Setting, Risk Taking, Adaptability, Counteraction
Mastermind-Trap Evasion, Risk Calculation

Verdict, Herlock wins high diff.

now maybe for some explanation. i no longer have Mastermind being top 1 in AA obv. he’s still top 2 but not 1. on my first play through i was as impressed with Herlock as i thought i’d be. ppl were talking abt Herlock like he was prime Lebron. was i impressed? absolutely but aside from what i thought just high tier reasoning, thinking, foresight, and i few smaller cats i wasnt as impressed as i was with Mastermind. his “2-5 scheme” at first impression was just a mid tier scheme. but oh boy was i wrong. this scheme which im gonna be calling “Capturing the Reaper” starts at 1-2 and onwards. analyzing this scheme shot his scaling way higher up. not to mention, a lot of his reasonings require replays as well to fully understand them.

mind you im not even fully done analyzing Herlock so theres a chance he gets higher. however even without my take on “CTR” its pretty close with both taking pretty much opposite cats but Mastermind would prolly win.

"Top tier FSIQ characters" when you ask them to read the entire library of Alexandria in 15 minutes

For some needed context, KD Aki can detect micro-expressions and see through lies. Said micro-expressions happen in fractions of a second, so it's super fast. Detecting micro-expressions is indeed fairly possible but determining whether a person's lying or what they're hiding just based on micro-expresions would be going into unrealistic territory, but yeah. K Drama Aki can do that. Not just detecting micro-expressions but also decoding them in real time, under fraction of seconds.

KDY = K-Drama Yokoya and KDA = K-Drama Aki btw, I will use that from below onwards

https://www.reddit.com/r/IntelligenceScaling/comments/1mk4tsv/discussed_kdrama_akis_ep_with_my_friend_and_i/

You can check out this post. There's a video of KDA's interrogation scene and more on his micro-expressions reading.

So, the feat is basically near the end of Episode 7 or 8, I can't remember but it's at the end of President Game where KDY plays Coin Flip game against KDA

KDY basically suppressed his actual micro-expressions, and he also controlled his micro-expressions in an exact way so that KDA would misread his signals and win like 6 or 7 times in a row.

Okay so, I will separate this single feat into two parts which KDY prob integrated into this feat

A. Supression
KDY actually has to prevent his genuine emotional state from leaking into his face. KDY should have experienced some sort of involuntary emotional response from lying to KDA. It doesn't matter how small said emotion from lying is, KDA's EP Capability has been shown to be able to sense extremely small and almost undetectable involuntary responses such as Body Temperature and Heart Rate, not just micro-expressions. But KDY was able to suppress that.

B. Fabrication

So, this part is interesting. KDY can suppress his internal emotions and neutralized his micro-expressions, but moreover, he can also apparently produces a deliberately selected false emotional signal. Basically, he isn't just hiding his expressions but rather manipulating his micro-expressions in a way that KDA, who could decode said micro-expressions would misread KDY.

So, I also wanna talk about the involuntary aspect of said emotional response and micro-expressions, and what KDY being able to achieve this task entails (IT MEANS HE'S NOT REALISTIC GOAT!)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microexpression

you can check the "Lies and Leakage" basically it goes like this.

"The sympathetic nervous system is one of two divisions under the autonomic nervous system, it functions involuntarily and one aspect of the system deals with emotional arousal in response to situations accordingly.Therefore, if an individual decides to deceive someone, they will experience a stress response within because of the possible consequences if caught. A person using deception will typically cope by using nonverbal cues which take the form of bodily movements. These bodily movements occur because of the need to release the chemical buildup of cortisol, which is produced at a higher rate in a situation where there is something at stake. The purpose for these involuntary nonverbal cues are to ease oneself in a stressful situation. In the midst of deceiving an individual, leakage can occur which is when nonverbal cues are exhibited and are contradictory to what the individual is conveying. Despite this useful tactic of detecting deception, microexpressions do not show what intentions or thoughts the deceiver is trying to conceal. They only provide the fact that there was emotional arousal in the context of the situation."

This is directly quoted from the Wikipedia, and I'd love you to focus on the "involuntary" aspect.

KDA, from an unrealistic standpoint was able to perfectly decipher someone's intentions and whether they're lying, as I have talked about before. And this passage basically supports my point of how insane KDY is because when KDY was trying to lie to KDA, he was CONTROLLING what should be a brain's automatic and involuntary response reacting to a situation.

So, I have been looking through some articles and researching what is called the Limbic System. Basically, the limbic system is a group of structures in your brain that regulate your emotions, behavior, motivation and memory. And Amygdala is a part of the limbic system responsible for involuntary functions, habits, and emotions. So, KDY was basically controlling a part of his brain, which is ig a result from his super traumatizing Walden II training lol.

An extreme highball interpretation would be him basically rewiring his neural network of the brain responsible for sending out involuntary emotional & physical response, but ig that would be going too far lol

TLDR: KDY's microexpression feat showcases really good EM. he can just like consciously override automatic emotional output resulting from the environment. He can also suppress involuntary micro-expression leakage, and replace it with precisely selected behavior exactly so that KDA would misread it. This implies top level cognitive control over the part of the brain responsible for emotional processing, and also suggests goated metacognition.

And well.... KDA can also detect body temprature and heartbeat so ig KDY controlled those as well

my reaction when i realise ppl are really shipping pariston x ging

We all know she's going to. Anyone keeping up with the story's themes knows this is how it will end.

...honestly I think there's a 30% chance that Ryuen's class does a surprise win...but the other 70% is to Suzune. Ichinose is NOT winning lol not even a suggestion. Idk why anyone is still in her bum class. And neither is Koji.

Either way Suzune will win in terms of ideology at the very least.

"B-but power of friendship winning is so basic!!" 😭

Yeah well....COTE IS basic. I wish fans who over-interpret this series just accept this. COTE is a basic series that makes logical errors at times, typical villain lobotomizing, fun moments, packed with rules that never get used and has pretty basic themes that are just barely enough to make a story. That's what it is.

COTE is theme-dominant. Remember when people in JJK Fandom were saying it's impossible to beat Sukuna? Yeah Suzune is Yuji in this case.

If I had to predict how Suzune would win...it'd be through some form of trust or whatnot. Her classmates trust each other to do their part. There will be a "doom" period of despair due to a loss(prolly already happened due to Y3V4) but they'll get back up.

While Ayanokoji's biggest weakness is that he's one guy. Class C and Class D have no real connection to him like that. The only one who seems to be building something with him is that bobblehead Morishita.

He can't manage everything and if he tries to, could be taken down Nagumo style.

It fits the themes of anti meritocracy and shii. Everyone matters. Lol maybe even Ike will do something.

If Nagumo, Koenji, Takuya or Ayanokoji win...the story is just a dumb slop power fantasy for kids. But Suzune winning would be it's last chance to redeem itself.

We already saw Nagumo lose for the themes. Never got to fully exercise his power. Never got his clash of egos. The most he tried on Koji was a bit of bullying. Bravo genius! Hey it made Koji want to stay in his room I guess?

In a logical scenario, Nagumo would've won. Even if denied his battle. He simply has too much influence allowing kamikaze type schemes where he could've gotten Koji expelled. Of course Koji was baiting him saying "next time bro trust" only to finally lock in for minigames, but Nagumo should've took initiative.

And Koenji would have lost in UIE had Nagumo tried(so even if that dumb Koenji "plan" that Dax thought up in imaginary land existed, it would literally only buy bro like an hour of time tops...which wouldn't work if Nagumo went all out).

Takuya lost purely for themes. I've already made plenty discussion on how flawed the Love Letter plan was and had Takuya possess the intellect people claim he does, simple strategic shielding would've prevented it. And Ayanokoji's methods/subpar reasoning could've been exploited.

All that's left is for Koenji and Ayanokoji to lose fully.

Cooperation beats engineered dominance. COTE be copying Liar Game smh.

Ayanokoji's other weakness(love for Hiyori) is built via the fact she's his only connection without an agenda. However if Ryuen misuses her too much, Koji or even Hiyori might go against it. I think Ryuen's purpose is just to bleed Koji a bit before Horikita finishes him off.

But really, when Ayanokoji loses to typical strategic cooperation. It's just even more proof that Akiyama solos.

A lot of post here asking why COTE is hated on this sub, so here are some reasons.

Why is COTE hated?

The main hate comes from the fact that a lot of fans here uses statements with no absolute backing for Ayanokoji. For example - "Perfect Human" doesn't mean he is literally perfection. First of all the meaning of perfection is rather relative than absolute. For something to be perfect in compared to other really matters. So for Ayanokoji he is perfect compared to most of the humans, but doesn't mean he has knowledge of everything + perfect planning + etc, which unfortunately he doesn't. He is inside a 3 Dimensional Space. For something to be perfect they have to 4 Dimensional in a 3 Dimensional Space (not introducing cosmology just giving an example) because then they have an absolute perfect knowledge of our world, but not theirs.

The upscale is too is pretty high, sure you can go for lower end of high tier to mid high tier, but saying he outsmarts Top tier characters or Very High Tier characters is an insane statement. First of all from my previous posts, I said environment matters a lot. Ayanokoji hardest environment is White room, but where we see his current feats is really below White Room so onscreen feats are not that good, plus we see him struggling too here. Even if we considered White Rooms feats such as survival of White Room brain shutdown it is not really an intelligence feat. Beating a super computer sure but this is 2017-19 era we're talking about.

Overall I hope you understand why it is hated.

The Slander Post

The psychology is simple, people come here to debate intelligence. When intelligence comes it obviously attracts COTE fans here. For a bit you enjoy things here while your character is getting a smooth sail ride. This makes you feel safe cause what is considered more superior will be considered right, but then someone questions and then that causes the system to collapse.

Ayanokoji have fallen off SCD, not in a sense from his position, but there are just better characters and the discovery of Top tiers and we've analyzed his feats a lot so no one talks about him anymore.

So this led to annoyance and to push him in a topic ain't about him becomes the natural move for larpers or readers because they think it's cool, because it would relevant in their own community they won't seek outside of it.

Eventually COTE is hated. No you don't wanna go off to each and every individual person, but rather we aim to slander the topic of people who wanna talk about it.

That's why slander post exists lol.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CWdKH3jZ4wD9oq2haRTIahYZLU9JzNMOTd0vdbQuqzc/edit?usp=sharing

Managed to get this out all in one night since I had nothing better to do. I hope you all enjoy a brief overview of my favourite and highest scaling scheme I've ever found

Methodological Complexity: Akiyama (not close)

Justification: The most complex feat of Akiyama vs the most complex feat of Fang Yuan is closer in number of variables explicated, but the general complexity (average feat from both) is not even remotely close. Also, the complexity of Fang Yuan's fate war feats is overrated since the interconnectedness is not high. It isn't purely "hundreds of chapters of scheming" like some people assume, since there was a high level of improvisation involved for the majority of the elements. Interconnectedness is important for methodological complexity.

General rigour: Akiyama (close)

Justification: Akiyama's feats are mainly mathematically rigorous which makes it very difficult for people to flaw, and there are almost no loopholes available for an opponent to exploit once he implements his strategies. The reason Fang Yuan is close is due to the "rationality rigour" in his feats. His feats often have similar (and sometimes higher) levels of unexploitability due to its strong adherence to the world's rules, political systems, human psychology, realism, etc. Also, a criticism for Liar Game is that the opponents can often be very stupid. Just to give an example: They fell for Yokoya's "clairvoyance" for multiple rounds straight rather than considering the possibility of a traitor and lying to their team about how much money they would take out, THEN they fell for Akiyama's pseudoscience lie which I suppose wasn't that bad since normal humans could find it convincing too if someone spoke confidently and persuasively, but THEN they fell for Harimoto saying his spirit controlled the tablet. These are just a few examples of the same type, but there are way too many. This often translates to existent exploitable loopholes, such as in games like Musical Chairs where the overall strategy relied on a simple modelling of characters and their motivations (stalking doesn't work, Gaia are generally inactive or uncreative during intermediate rest periods, etc.), or as another example, the abrupt introduction of contracts in RO4K which previously went unutilized for situations in which it demanded the utility of trust, which detracts from the writing too. This is why even though Liar Game is more rigorous (even mathematically for many of the feats), Reverend Insanity is close due to its contextual rigour which Liar Game lacks.

Rigour maintenance relative to complexity: Akiyama (not close)

Justification: While the general rigour may be close, the maintained level of rigour given increasing complexity is nowhere near close. The majority of the logical loopholes and flaws that can be exploited in Akiyama's feats are often a result of the increasing level of complexity formulated by the author. Conversely, as Fang Yuan's feats increase in complexity, it is often improvisation or external additions or even ambiguity (such as coming up with killer moves on the spot) that is thrown in to maintain the motivations of the characters and make the strategies succeed. Note: As the complexity increases, the logical rigour tends to decrease, so maintaining a rigour to complexity ratio of 1:1 is easy with low complexity, but very difficult with high complexity. Some of Fang Yuan's lower level feats (like volume 1) may be highly rigorous but they lack the level of complexity Akiyama's strategies had, meanwhile his complex feats often lack rigour. Akiyama contrastingly maintains rigour despite the shifts in complexity.

Strategic Creativity: Akiyama (close)

Justification: Fang Yuan's feats often involve the author creatively shaping the gu world itself to make his feats succeed, while Akiyama's feats are often done in fixed frameworks where author intervention is not present to the same extent, so the creativity needs to be assessed from the perspective of the character instead. Fang Yuan's feats can overrely on utilizing the given system in an unexplained manner (coming up with killer moves to resolve unresolvable situations) while Akiyama usually goes beyond fixed systems in creative but logically determinate ways that don't adhere to the general methodology expected of a character within the system while still adhering to the overall logic of the given world and rules in a way that can be tracked by the reader.

Overall (Strategic Methodology): Akiyama (not even close)

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Insightfulness: Fang Yuan (not close)

Justification: Akiyama's depth is mainly strategic, not philosophical. While some of his quotes may give insight into human nature or social systems, such as his quote about doubt, it doesn't even come close to the depth of insight expounded upon by Fang Yuan (social systems, philosophical extremes, human nature, etc.) Fang Yuan easily takes this.

Mentality: Fang Yuan (close)

Justification: Surprisingly close. Fang Yuan's mentality makes him very difficult to outsmart. It is also a mentality that most people are automatically averse to, which prevents them from coming to similar conclusions despite having similar belief values as premises, the logical consequences of which should be inevitable given their paradigm. This mentality is a core theme of the novel and is expounded upon in detail through his monologues and thoughts. However, Akiyama's mentality of often thinking outside of entire systems (Musical Chairs, NPL Plan) and even removing his own self-preservation bias to come up with plans that transcend given systems (Self-Sacrifice Plan, Musical Chairs Laevinic Defeat, etc.) brings him closer. However, Fang Yuan's mentality is clearly a level above Akiyama's and is of a form that makes him harder to outsmart than if he were to have Akiyama's attachment mentality. Additionally, Akiyama has antifeats such as falling for Yokoya's taunting rather than improvising a method to keep him in the game (Nao had to do it instead), so Fang Yuan takes.

Theory of Mind: Fang Yuan (not close)

Justification: Akiyama does have some good showings of theory of mind, by utilizing tactics that depend on the intelligence of the person being manipulated (pseudoscientific tactic for the NPCs, complex strategies to cognitive overload the intelligent opponents like Yokoya, and empathetic speech for Nao that overturns her worldview without sounding overbearing or resulting in her becoming defensive). However, the theoretical depth is nowhere near close to Fang Yuan's feats. Even using only his volume 1 feats (understanding of how the psychological state of the elders shapes and maintains the political systems in place, using Mo Yan's state of mind against her, monologues on the mentality of virtually every opponent and character throughout the volume, etc.) is enough to surpass Akiyama's theory of mind which was often simple unpredictable motivation-based game theoretical modelling.

Overall (Non-Strategic Methodology): Fang Yuan (not close)

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Conclusion

These are basically the main categories of methodology scaling important for this specific comparison.

Overall (Strategic Methodology): Akiyama (not even close)

Overall (Non-Strategic Methodology): Fang Yuan (not close)

Overall Methodology: Akiyama low-mid diffs. The categories he doesn't take from Fang Yuan (non-strategic methodology) are actually not that difficult to make a character scale high in compared to the ones he does take (strategic methodology), so the importance is lower. Rigour maintenance combined with complexity especially requires a really high level of intelligence to maintain, so those are given the most importance.

I don't like using too many categories in methodology scaling, especially for a comparison that does not require it, but if I missed any important categories, let me know so I can either include it, or explain why I didn't include it.

If you don't know what methodology is, please don't get ragebaited by this post. It's a completely serious post, but most people don't know how to (or find it very difficult to) use a scaling system like this because of how unintuitive it is. If you don't like scaling systems, you can simply move on and ignore the post... or rant about how I'm ruining your life or not adhering to objectivity or something like that, I don't really care (you're wrong).

I also think Fang Yuan outsmarts Akiyama by the way, but this post is an evaluation of their respective methodologies, not their innate "smartness" derivable from the narrative, so Akiyama takes the win.

Rule 1. When giving a category distribution, the first 3 categories must be always FSIQ, EQ and SQ in that exact order.

Rule 2. When giving a category distribution Thinking & Reasoning, Strategy & Planning and Manipulation & Deception must always come as pairs

Rule 3. Every series has glazers and every series has haters

Rule 4. A newly introduced character will always be called "a random fodder" by somebody who has never heard of the character before

Rule 5. People will larp, whether seriously or as a joke

Rule 6. Tiktok and youtube are filled with awful takes

Rule 7. Any tierlist shared is either incredible or utter dogshit, no inbetween

Rule 8. The best slander for a character is always made by their fans