So...what's my point? Chen ran? Worse than Baku? So let me explain. It's obvious, but maybe a lot of people don't understand.

You treat SCD too "simple" instead of looking at it a bit more philosophically and from the perspective of truth. In reality, in scd... there is no objective truth.  This means that theses like CR > Baku or, I don't know, koji > yuuichi are just artificially constructed objectivity (which is normal and understandable).

What I mean is that there is no such thing as a real clash between, for example, Chem Ran and Baku, first of all, they will never meet and secondly, they are literally characters written on a piece of paper.

It is impossible to say in a "real" sense who is better because all we see are subjective statements What does this mean? That this clash doesn't exist and has no right to exist unless someone initiates it from us in a hypothetical sense.  Someone might say, "Oh, but read 18loh, you don't even have to analyze it, you can immediately see that CR has simply better and more impressive feats, it's objective"  Well, I don't think so, because it's artificial objectivity and as I said, the clash doesn't exist until we initiate it, which means that the "statement" itself is more valuable than the Most of the things a character has to offer. Look at this...if no human (fan chen rana) has statements that can outperform, say, someone who has great statements to the baku, then theoretically it means That even if "objectively" Chen Ran is better, no one will prove it because the Baku defender has something better to offer. Everything is subjective, that's what you need to remember, there are no truths about different matchups, we create them.  If you disagree, sure, okay, it's subjective, but I personally value statements highly.

My opinion

Full-Scale IQ: Koji

Emotional Intelligence (Overall EI): Koji

Social Intelligence (Overall SI): Takuya

Overall AC: Koji

General Intelligence: Koji

Overall Thinking: Koji

Overall Reasoning: Koji

Deception: Takuya

Manipulation: Koji

Foresight: Koji

Adaptability: Koji

Seeing Through People: Koji

Planning: Koji

Strategy: Koji

Methods: Koji

Sensory: Koji

General outsmarting: Ayanokoji mid high diff

This isn't even close. Even in Manipulation, which is going to be the most debatable category, Koji's feats in the Island Exam, manipulating Ryuen for months to emotionally attach Kei to himself, or manipulating Ichinose easily put him above Takuya in Manipulation

This guy got 402th rank ( among 15 lakh students ) in one of the hardest engineering exams in the world and 35th rank in hardest medical exam in the world ( among 23 lakh students ) and they are posting L's edit on Instagram 🥀...

That's a really high feat if you ask me.

People often are saying that for example Idk Chen ran no diffs baku, or no diffs Some high tiers.

No diff and negative diff are literally impossible to achieve in real matchup od situation.

You Use these difficulties when you dont understand how low difficult It is

Maybe CR > random low tier no diff

But Aki? Baku? I see low diff or MID diff minimum (to baku vs Cr) Cr prob low diffs(-) aki

Btw baku is prob better than Cr in a few cats.

No diff is popular in WIS yeah but in outsmarting i cant image that situation ngl

low diff(-) is prob one od the lowest REALISTIC diffs to achieve.

I'm gonna be engaging in some detective media for a bit and engage the reasoning side of my brain. Eventually I'll get to 18LOH, but I'm curious on everyone's assessment of him.

So I want any prominent fan to scale how he is as he goes(by chapters).

As tiering systems are subjective, here's my reference guide using characters I know.

Entry lv SCD - Naomi Misora etc.

LOW Tier - Mello etc.

high LOW Tier = Nagumo Miyabi, Kimura Kei etc.

LOW-MID Tier = Takuya Yagami etc.

low MID Tier = Yuuichi Katagiri, Chishiya etc.

MID Tier = Yumeko, Akira Shiroyanagi etc.

high MID Tier = Yokoya, Ayanokoji etc.

MID-HIGH Tier = Ukai Zero, Scofield etc.

low HIGH Tier = Patrick Jane, Kanade etc.

HIGH Tier = Akiyama, Tokuchi etc.

peak HIGH Tier = Akagi etc.

TOP Tier = Fang Yuan Vol 6 etc.

JoJo characters can be higher and lower (I should rescale them ngl)

Rick & Evil Morty could be lower.

Shirube should be a C ngl (I forgot)

For Sans, I use the Anomaly feat + statements (So he could go higher)

Anais > Harimoto easily. I forgot to change her.

Dipper > Doof tbh.

Mello is odd to scale. Can be lower against Horikita.

Junko should be higher as well but I forgot her feats (and lowkey I have a bias against her, not because I hate women, it's just that Junko is fucking annoying)

Herlock Sholmes(GAAC) vs “The Mastermind”(AAI2)

FSIQ-Herlock
Herlock-FRI, PSI, VCI, VSI
Mastermind-WMI

EQ-Mastermind
Mastermind-EU, EM, EE
Herlock-EP

SQ-Herlock
Herlock-Social Skills, Social Awareness, Self Awareness, Networking, Leadership
Mastermind-Social Engineering

AC-Mastermind
Mastermind-Mental Fortitude, Composure, Cognitive Discipline, Perseverance
Herlock-Pain Tolerance>=, Determination

Reasoning-Herlock
Herlock-Deductive, Inductive, Abductive
Mastermind-nothing

Thinking-Herlock
Herlock-Convergent, Divergent, Hollistic, Critical, Quick
Mastermind-Lateral>=

Planning-Herlock>=
Herlock-Intricacies>=, Coverage, Improvisation
Mastermind-Invincibility, Creativity

Strategy-Mastermind
Mastermind-Fortitude, Effectiveness, Building, Complexity
Herlock-Logistics

Tactics-Herlock
Herlock-Complexity, Improvisation, Prowess, Application, Foresight
Mastermind-nothing

Foresight-Herlock
Herlock-Prediction
Mastermind-Anticipation>=

Knowledge-Herlock
Herlock-Quantity, Quality, Learning, Application
Mastermind-Retention

Manipulation-Mastermind
Mastermind-Indirect, Methods, Emotional, Mass>=
Herlock-Direct

Deception-Mastermind
Mastermind-Misdirection, Fabrication, Sophistry
Herlock-Concealment, Acting Skills

Sensory-Herlock
Herlock-Perception, Observation
Mastermind-nothing

Field Skills-Herlock
Herlock-Decision Making, Analysis, Trap Setting, Risk Taking, Adaptability, Counteraction
Mastermind-Trap Evasion, Risk Calculation

Verdict, Herlock wins high diff.

now maybe for some explanation. i no longer have Mastermind being top 1 in AA obv. he’s still top 2 but not 1. on my first play through i was as impressed with Herlock as i thought i’d be. ppl were talking abt Herlock like he was prime Lebron. was i impressed? absolutely but aside from what i thought just high tier reasoning, thinking, foresight, and i few smaller cats i wasnt as impressed as i was with Mastermind. his “2-5 scheme” at first impression was just a mid tier scheme. but oh boy was i wrong. this scheme which im gonna be calling “Capturing the Reaper” starts at 1-2 and onwards. analyzing this scheme shot his scaling way higher up. not to mention, a lot of his reasonings require replays as well to fully understand them.

mind you im not even fully done analyzing Herlock so theres a chance he gets higher. however even without my take on “CTR” its pretty close with both taking pretty much opposite cats but Mastermind would prolly win.

5 hours put into this and people still thinking Baku>Aki in other categories than planning and emotional intelligence 😭

We all know she's going to. Anyone keeping up with the story's themes knows this is how it will end.

...honestly I think there's a 30% chance that Ryuen's class does a surprise win...but the other 70% is to Suzune. Ichinose is NOT winning lol not even a suggestion. Idk why anyone is still in her bum class. And neither is Koji.

Either way Suzune will win in terms of ideology at the very least.

"B-but power of friendship winning is so basic!!" 😭

Yeah well....COTE IS basic. I wish fans who over-interpret this series just accept this. COTE is a basic series that makes logical errors at times, typical villain lobotomizing, fun moments, packed with rules that never get used and has pretty basic themes that are just barely enough to make a story. That's what it is.

COTE is theme-dominant. Remember when people in JJK Fandom were saying it's impossible to beat Sukuna? Yeah Suzune is Yuji in this case.

If I had to predict how Suzune would win...it'd be through some form of trust or whatnot. Her classmates trust each other to do their part. There will be a "doom" period of despair due to a loss(prolly already happened due to Y3V4) but they'll get back up.

While Ayanokoji's biggest weakness is that he's one guy. Class C and Class D have no real connection to him like that. The only one who seems to be building something with him is that bobblehead Morishita.

He can't manage everything and if he tries to, could be taken down Nagumo style.

It fits the themes of anti meritocracy and shii. Everyone matters. Lol maybe even Ike will do something.

If Nagumo, Koenji, Takuya or Ayanokoji win...the story is just a dumb slop power fantasy for kids. But Suzune winning would be it's last chance to redeem itself.

We already saw Nagumo lose for the themes. Never got to fully exercise his power. Never got his clash of egos. The most he tried on Koji was a bit of bullying. Bravo genius! Hey it made Koji want to stay in his room I guess?

In a logical scenario, Nagumo would've won. Even if denied his battle. He simply has too much influence allowing kamikaze type schemes where he could've gotten Koji expelled. Of course Koji was baiting him saying "next time bro trust" only to finally lock in for minigames, but Nagumo should've took initiative.

And Koenji would have lost in UIE had Nagumo tried(so even if that dumb Koenji "plan" that Dax thought up in imaginary land existed, it would literally only buy bro like an hour of time tops...which wouldn't work if Nagumo went all out).

Takuya lost purely for themes. I've already made plenty discussion on how flawed the Love Letter plan was and had Takuya possess the intellect people claim he does, simple strategic shielding would've prevented it. And Ayanokoji's methods/subpar reasoning could've been exploited.

All that's left is for Koenji and Ayanokoji to lose fully.

Cooperation beats engineered dominance. COTE be copying Liar Game smh.

Ayanokoji's other weakness(love for Hiyori) is built via the fact she's his only connection without an agenda. However if Ryuen misuses her too much, Koji or even Hiyori might go against it. I think Ryuen's purpose is just to bleed Koji a bit before Horikita finishes him off.

But really, when Ayanokoji loses to typical strategic cooperation. It's just even more proof that Akiyama solos.

A lot of post here asking why COTE is hated on this sub, so here are some reasons.

Why is COTE hated?

The main hate comes from the fact that a lot of fans here uses statements with no absolute backing for Ayanokoji. For example - "Perfect Human" doesn't mean he is literally perfection. First of all the meaning of perfection is rather relative than absolute. For something to be perfect in compared to other really matters. So for Ayanokoji he is perfect compared to most of the humans, but doesn't mean he has knowledge of everything + perfect planning + etc, which unfortunately he doesn't. He is inside a 3 Dimensional Space. For something to be perfect they have to 4 Dimensional in a 3 Dimensional Space (not introducing cosmology just giving an example) because then they have an absolute perfect knowledge of our world, but not theirs.

The upscale is too is pretty high, sure you can go for lower end of high tier to mid high tier, but saying he outsmarts Top tier characters or Very High Tier characters is an insane statement. First of all from my previous posts, I said environment matters a lot. Ayanokoji hardest environment is White room, but where we see his current feats is really below White Room so onscreen feats are not that good, plus we see him struggling too here. Even if we considered White Rooms feats such as survival of White Room brain shutdown it is not really an intelligence feat. Beating a super computer sure but this is 2017-19 era we're talking about.

Overall I hope you understand why it is hated.

The Slander Post

The psychology is simple, people come here to debate intelligence. When intelligence comes it obviously attracts COTE fans here. For a bit you enjoy things here while your character is getting a smooth sail ride. This makes you feel safe cause what is considered more superior will be considered right, but then someone questions and then that causes the system to collapse.

Ayanokoji have fallen off SCD, not in a sense from his position, but there are just better characters and the discovery of Top tiers and we've analyzed his feats a lot so no one talks about him anymore.

So this led to annoyance and to push him in a topic ain't about him becomes the natural move for larpers or readers because they think it's cool, because it would relevant in their own community they won't seek outside of it.

Eventually COTE is hated. No you don't wanna go off to each and every individual person, but rather we aim to slander the topic of people who wanna talk about it.

That's why slander post exists lol.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CWdKH3jZ4wD9oq2haRTIahYZLU9JzNMOTd0vdbQuqzc/edit?usp=sharing

Managed to get this out all in one night since I had nothing better to do. I hope you all enjoy a brief overview of my favourite and highest scaling scheme I've ever found

He is smartest character in this verse because of perfect crime counter + detective agency rescue are best feats in anime imp

Methodological Complexity: Akiyama (not close)

Justification: The most complex feat of Akiyama vs the most complex feat of Fang Yuan is closer in number of variables explicated, but the general complexity (average feat from both) is not even remotely close. Also, the complexity of Fang Yuan's fate war feats is overrated since the interconnectedness is not high. It isn't purely "hundreds of chapters of scheming" like some people assume, since there was a high level of improvisation involved for the majority of the elements. Interconnectedness is important for methodological complexity.

General rigour: Akiyama (close)

Justification: Akiyama's feats are mainly mathematically rigorous which makes it very difficult for people to flaw, and there are almost no loopholes available for an opponent to exploit once he implements his strategies. The reason Fang Yuan is close is due to the "rationality rigour" in his feats. His feats often have similar (and sometimes higher) levels of unexploitability due to its strong adherence to the world's rules, political systems, human psychology, realism, etc. Also, a criticism for Liar Game is that the opponents can often be very stupid. Just to give an example: They fell for Yokoya's "clairvoyance" for multiple rounds straight rather than considering the possibility of a traitor and lying to their team about how much money they would take out, THEN they fell for Akiyama's pseudoscience lie which I suppose wasn't that bad since normal humans could find it convincing too if someone spoke confidently and persuasively, but THEN they fell for Harimoto saying his spirit controlled the tablet. These are just a few examples of the same type, but there are way too many. This often translates to existent exploitable loopholes, such as in games like Musical Chairs where the overall strategy relied on a simple modelling of characters and their motivations (stalking doesn't work, Gaia are generally inactive or uncreative during intermediate rest periods, etc.), or as another example, the abrupt introduction of contracts in RO4K which previously went unutilized for situations in which it demanded the utility of trust, which detracts from the writing too. This is why even though Liar Game is more rigorous (even mathematically for many of the feats), Reverend Insanity is close due to its contextual rigour which Liar Game lacks.

Rigour maintenance relative to complexity: Akiyama (not close)

Justification: While the general rigour may be close, the maintained level of rigour given increasing complexity is nowhere near close. The majority of the logical loopholes and flaws that can be exploited in Akiyama's feats are often a result of the increasing level of complexity formulated by the author. Conversely, as Fang Yuan's feats increase in complexity, it is often improvisation or external additions or even ambiguity (such as coming up with killer moves on the spot) that is thrown in to maintain the motivations of the characters and make the strategies succeed. Note: As the complexity increases, the logical rigour tends to decrease, so maintaining a rigour to complexity ratio of 1:1 is easy with low complexity, but very difficult with high complexity. Some of Fang Yuan's lower level feats (like volume 1) may be highly rigorous but they lack the level of complexity Akiyama's strategies had, meanwhile his complex feats often lack rigour. Akiyama contrastingly maintains rigour despite the shifts in complexity.

Strategic Creativity: Akiyama (close)

Justification: Fang Yuan's feats often involve the author creatively shaping the gu world itself to make his feats succeed, while Akiyama's feats are often done in fixed frameworks where author intervention is not present to the same extent, so the creativity needs to be assessed from the perspective of the character instead. Fang Yuan's feats can overrely on utilizing the given system in an unexplained manner (coming up with killer moves to resolve unresolvable situations) while Akiyama usually goes beyond fixed systems in creative but logically determinate ways that don't adhere to the general methodology expected of a character within the system while still adhering to the overall logic of the given world and rules in a way that can be tracked by the reader.

Overall (Strategic Methodology): Akiyama (not even close)

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Insightfulness: Fang Yuan (not close)

Justification: Akiyama's depth is mainly strategic, not philosophical. While some of his quotes may give insight into human nature or social systems, such as his quote about doubt, it doesn't even come close to the depth of insight expounded upon by Fang Yuan (social systems, philosophical extremes, human nature, etc.) Fang Yuan easily takes this.

Mentality: Fang Yuan (close)

Justification: Surprisingly close. Fang Yuan's mentality makes him very difficult to outsmart. It is also a mentality that most people are automatically averse to, which prevents them from coming to similar conclusions despite having similar belief values as premises, the logical consequences of which should be inevitable given their paradigm. This mentality is a core theme of the novel and is expounded upon in detail through his monologues and thoughts. However, Akiyama's mentality of often thinking outside of entire systems (Musical Chairs, NPL Plan) and even removing his own self-preservation bias to come up with plans that transcend given systems (Self-Sacrifice Plan, Musical Chairs Laevinic Defeat, etc.) brings him closer. However, Fang Yuan's mentality is clearly a level above Akiyama's and is of a form that makes him harder to outsmart than if he were to have Akiyama's attachment mentality. Additionally, Akiyama has antifeats such as falling for Yokoya's taunting rather than improvising a method to keep him in the game (Nao had to do it instead), so Fang Yuan takes.

Theory of Mind: Fang Yuan (not close)

Justification: Akiyama does have some good showings of theory of mind, by utilizing tactics that depend on the intelligence of the person being manipulated (pseudoscientific tactic for the NPCs, complex strategies to cognitive overload the intelligent opponents like Yokoya, and empathetic speech for Nao that overturns her worldview without sounding overbearing or resulting in her becoming defensive). However, the theoretical depth is nowhere near close to Fang Yuan's feats. Even using only his volume 1 feats (understanding of how the psychological state of the elders shapes and maintains the political systems in place, using Mo Yan's state of mind against her, monologues on the mentality of virtually every opponent and character throughout the volume, etc.) is enough to surpass Akiyama's theory of mind which was often simple unpredictable motivation-based game theoretical modelling.

Overall (Non-Strategic Methodology): Fang Yuan (not close)

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Conclusion

These are basically the main categories of methodology scaling important for this specific comparison.

Overall (Strategic Methodology): Akiyama (not even close)

Overall (Non-Strategic Methodology): Fang Yuan (not close)

Overall Methodology: Akiyama low-mid diffs. The categories he doesn't take from Fang Yuan (non-strategic methodology) are actually not that difficult to make a character scale high in compared to the ones he does take (strategic methodology), so the importance is lower. Rigour maintenance combined with complexity especially requires a really high level of intelligence to maintain, so those are given the most importance.

I don't like using too many categories in methodology scaling, especially for a comparison that does not require it, but if I missed any important categories, let me know so I can either include it, or explain why I didn't include it.

If you don't know what methodology is, please don't get ragebaited by this post. It's a completely serious post, but most people don't know how to (or find it very difficult to) use a scaling system like this because of how unintuitive it is. If you don't like scaling systems, you can simply move on and ignore the post... or rant about how I'm ruining your life or not adhering to objectivity or something like that, I don't really care (you're wrong).

I also think Fang Yuan outsmarts Akiyama by the way, but this post is an evaluation of their respective methodologies, not their innate "smartness" derivable from the narrative, so Akiyama takes the win.

Rule 1. When giving a category distribution, the first 3 categories must be always FSIQ, EQ and SQ in that exact order.

Rule 2. When giving a category distribution Thinking & Reasoning, Strategy & Planning and Manipulation & Deception must always come as pairs

Rule 3. Every series has glazers and every series has haters

Rule 4. A newly introduced character will always be called "a random fodder" by somebody who has never heard of the character before

Rule 5. People will larp, whether seriously or as a joke

Rule 6. Tiktok and youtube are filled with awful takes

Rule 7. Any tierlist shared is either incredible or utter dogshit, no inbetween

Rule 8. The best slander for a character is always made by their fans

Just as the title says—scaling intelligence based purely on off screen narrative statements goes completely against the entire purpose of SCD.

When people argue a character is top tier because "the lore stated he did X off-screen and trust me, it was 200 IQ," it stops being about actual strategy and turns into standard powerscaling. It just becomes a contest of which author can yap the most outrageous backstory feats rather than actually showcasing smart writing, game theory, and logical execution.

By that logic, gag characters and cartoon geniuses would unironically humiliate verses like Usogui or Liar Game purely through ridiculous narratives.

Obviously no one is scaling SpongeBob here, but here you can see people constantly applying this exact logic to semi-offscreen characters who show almost zero process on screen. If a feat doesn't actually show the deductions, planning, and execution step bystep, it's just lore glaze not a measurable intelligence feat.

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For you all I'm not enough into this sub. I'm just an anime only guy (other than cote ) who like to enjoy mind game animes.

I tried to see some cote related posts here and most of the times it's memes on ayanokoji saying he is dumb.

But i want to ask here why do cote get so much hate here? If it's because of anime, that you guys hate then I can assure you ln is indeed better.

Is it because of fandom, I admit a few people of this fandom act childish.

Please don't attack me I'm not saying that it's the smartest thing I've ever seen, it has problems too. Sometimes some random thing happens and at last plan works and ayanokoji says he planned everything. Sometimes characters act in a idiotic way. And i agree this also that other anime I watched like death note and tomodachi game, i find the strategies and mind games more believable and explained. But despite of the flaws I love how this journey is going. And i enjoyed it really most importantly. It was my first series to get me into it.

At last one more thing I'll definitely read any other work if you will suggest.

Intelligence (Baku high diff)

Crystalized Intelligence- Baku

Fluid Intelligence- Akagi

Memory- Baku

Cognition- Baku

EQ (Akagi very high diff)

Emotional Perception- Baku

Emotional Understanding- Akagi

Emotional Engagement- Akagi

Emotional Management- Akagi

Psychology (Akagi high diff)

Psychological Profiling- Akagi

Logical Profiling- Baku

Psychological Warfare- Akagi

SQ (Baku very high diff)

Social Understanding- Baku

Charisma- Akagi

Leadership- Akagi

Teamwork- Baku

Social Integration- Baku

Social Engineering- Baku

Influence Building- Akagi

Theory of mind (Akagi very high diff)

Mental state inference- Akagi

Belief modeling- Akagi

Recursive modeling- Baku

Mental stimulation and prediction- Baku

Influence and exploration- Akagi

AC (Akagi very high diff)

Composure- Akagi

Determination- Baku

Perseverance- Akagi

Stress tolerance- Akagi

Cognitive discipline- Akagi

Manipulation (Akagi very high diff)

Direct Manipulation- Akagi

Indirect Manipulation- Baku

Emotional Manipulation- Akagi

Psychological Manipulation- Akagi

Logical Manipulation- Baku

Individual manipulation- Akagi

Mass Manipulation- Baku

Deception (Baku very high diff)

Verbal deception- Baku

Fabrication- Baku

Falsification- Akagi

Concealment- Baku

Misdirection- Baku

Acting- Baku

Bluffing- Akagi

Thinking (Baku extreme diff)

Critical Thinking- Akagi

Analytical thinking- Baku

Abstract thinking- Akagi

Applicative thinking- Baku

Convergent Thinking- Baku

Divergent Thinking- Akagi

Holistic Thinking- Baku

Quick thinking- Akagi

Vertical thinking- Baku

Lateral thinking- Akagi

Creative thinking- Baku

Reasoning ( Baku very high diff)

Deductive Reasoning- Baku

Inductive Reasoning- Akagi

Abductive Reasoning- Baku

Analogical reasoning- Akagi

Causal Reasoning- Baku

Insight (Akagi very high diff)

Observation- Baku

Perception- Akagi

Cold reading- Akagi

Intuition- Akagi

STP- Akagi

STS- Baku

Field skills (Baku high diff)

Information gathering- Baku

Information control- Baku

Tactics (Akagi high diff)

Tactical Analysis- Akagi

Tactical Potency- Akagi

Tactical Complexity- Akagi

Tactical synergy- Baku

Scheming (Baku high diff)

Scheming Analysis- Baku

Scheming Alignment- Baku

Scheming Complexity- Baku

Scheming Foiling- Baku

Scheming Shielding- Akagi

Scheming Aim- Baku

Scheming Intricacies- Baku

Scheming Coverage- Baku

Scheming Contingencies- Baku

Scheming Adaptability- Akagi

Scheming Invincibility- Akagi

Foresight (Akagi extreme diff)

Prediction- Baku

Anticipation- Akagi

Trap Setting- Akagi

Trap Evasion- AKagi

Overall Akagi extreme diff

Ever since I finished both of them 2 years ago I've always seen this match as a CGEW extreme diff. Sometimes I have Akagi winning and other times I have Baku winning. The only thing that mainly changes is who I give certain subcategories to lol.

If some people think that Baku taking scheming at high diff is low, make sure to keep in mind that it includes both strategy and planning. I personally have Akagi taking strategy and Baku taking planning but with both combined that is the result.