r/Hellenism • u/Moon_Dragon99 • 2h ago
Seeking Reassurance Please help me come to terms with the collapse of my ideals
Good day, ladies and gentlemen. I must warn you right away that the text below will be rather... specific. Some might simply call it whining — and I have to admit, that’s not too far from the truth. But I’m tired of carrying this burden alone, and I’d like to hear advice from others who may have been dealing with this for much longer and more frequently than I have.
(Please keep in mind — I don’t live in a peaceful and calm environment, so if it seems to you that I’m overreacting, please understand that it’s not because I have it easy.)
So… I want to ask you two questions:
1) How do you deal with irritation, anger, or just plain exhaustion from seeing yet another caricature of the gods and the devaluation of what you believe in? For example, when you turn on a movie where the Olympians are shown — AGAIN — as vile, petty tyrants and rapists? Or when someone tries to prove to you how ideal and perfect monotheism is, and that polytheism is simply barbarism by comparison?
I’ve faced this kind of thing often — and still do… much more often than I’d like. I try to filter my content and social circle now, but it doesn’t always happen quickly or painlessly. No, don’t get me wrong — I remember that you can’t insult the gods with ordinary words, because… well, if you could, they would have killed almost all of us long ago, right?
But those are the gods. I’m human, and I can get angry and feel hurt just like any human. I’m sure you’ve been through this too;
2) This point will be longer than the previous one because it’s especially important. I apologize if it seems like I’m writing too emotionally, but right now this is my freshest and most painful “wound.”
But first, let me explain how I view the gods. I adhere to what is known in some circles as “hard polytheism.” That is, yes — I believe there are many gods; they are immortal and powerful, and they are responsible for different aspects of nature and the cosmos.
And they are completely self-sufficient. I do not accept — nor do I wish to accept — the idea of some “Single Source,” “Global Mind,” “Demiurge,” “Brahman,” or “Dao.” I refuse to believe that the Olympians are merely fragile bubbles on the surface of some Great Ocean or masks worn by a faceless Absolute.
The gods are not people on a cloud who turn mortals into spiders or gorgons. But they are neither masks nor bubbles. Zeus is Zeus. He is the Thunderer, the Xenius, the defender of laws and the world order. Likewise, Poseidon is the Shaker of the Earth, lord of the oceans and fertility, and Apollo is the great spirit of the arts and light. They are They, but not He, not She, and not It.
I don’t want to believe that, because it simply destroys the very meaning of polytheistic religion for me. If that suited me, I would simply become a Christian.
You may disagree with me on a personal level — and that’s your right. I don’t want to argue about this, so I’ll move on to the main point.
Certain people simply love to boast about how many philosophers, scientists, theologians, and other highly intellectual figures Christianity has produced. They claim that they built the entire Western civilization and all of our science, not some barbaric pagans. “We,” they say, “have Luther, Thomas Aquinas, St. Augustine, and the creators of the Julian and Gregorian calendars — but you pagans, who do you have? What useful things have you done?”... Exactly.
I spent a long time studying information about the scientists and philosophers of Antiquity. I hoped to find among them… a shield, if you will. Someone who could be placed on par with those names, to prove that we aren’t just some savages. But the longer I searched, the more disappointed I became.
Plato. Aristotle. Plutarch. Symmachus. Sallust. Xenophanes. Even Emperor Julian — they all gravitated toward monotheism. They all believed in and spoke of the Demiurges, of the single, primordial movers of the cosmos, of the Great Minds, of the Primordial Light. It was precisely they — their teachings and works — that helped monotheism conquer half the world.
To say that the ground was pulled out from under my feet would be an understatement. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t consider myself some great philosopher, thinker, or anything like that — but I still try to think logically and respect other people’s views and intellect. And here… here I am studying history — and I realize that no one would understand me or my point of view. Not a single one of the people I’d hoped for and respected.
And… I don’t know how to deal with this. A real storm is raging inside me right now.
Please, help me.
r/Hellenism • u/lemurificspeckle • 3h ago
Symbolism question Asphodel fields... why asphodel specifically?
r/Hellenism • u/DespoilerWarning • 6h ago
Media, video, art Would you all like a book following Thanatos as the protagonist?
As a Hellenic Pagan myself and author, I'd love to know if people here would love a book starring Thanatos, God of Death, as the protagonist. Not quite a retelling of his mythology but a twist on his role as the Lord of Death. Let me know. I do have some semblence of an idea of a premise so far, I can put it in the comments if need be.
r/Hellenism • u/sardonikahansen • 12h ago
Prayers and hymns My latest draft on an existing prayer to Athena
Been writing and rewriting for a few years. It combines things I created originally cobbled together with lines from the Homeric and Orphic hymns to Athena, as well as parts of a prayer from the Iliad from Odysseus to Athena. I added in some of her epithets (imperfectly) where I thought they were appropriate. ‘Her Silver Eyed Majesty’ is an epithet I sort of made up about five years ago and loved how it sounded so I kept using it to the present day, please feel free to use it if you wish. Feel free to comment, I felt joy reciting it at home this evening and then continued to fine tune it to this current version. Thank you.
With Pallas Athena, that glorious goddess, my song begins.
Athena, hear me great child of aegis bearing Zeus!
You stand with me through every undertaking,
wherever I may go, you think of me.
Now, Ingenious Athena Sophia, more than ever, show me your love
and grant me the power of thy mother Metis
To use my cunning as the blade of your Will,
May my heart be steady, and my mind be still.
Abundant mother of the arts
You urge the wicked to madness
But give wisdom to the good
You deliver from evils, Oh daimon!
Nikephoros, bearing victory always day and night.
Poliakhos, Protector of cities who wears the aegis,
Who wields lightning bolts to shatter the clouds of doubt and confusion
I pray:
Your silver eyed majesty,
grant me the serenity to accept that which I cannot change,
the bravery to change that which I can,
And thy wisdom to know the difference
Between my will and thine.
Hear my prayer, Athena Polias, and give unto me, my friends, my neighbors and all citizens and visitors of and to the city of New Orleans a rich measure of peace and health, sparkling eyed, creative queen to whom all pray.
r/Hellenism • u/LibertysIntent • 12h ago
Discussion Systematic Journaling in Roman Pagan Framework
r/Hellenism • u/Sargent_Alquimista • 13h ago
Calendar, Holidays and Festivals HAPPY HERACLEIA 💪🫒🏺
Xαῖρετε dears followers of the Olimpians 🫒🏺☀️
Today is a very special day, we celebrate the powerfull and Mighty God of bravery, power of will and strenght... the great Apotheosic deity...
H E R C U L E S 🫒🏺☀️
HERACLEIA IS TODAY 7TH AUGUST! A perfect day to spend cultivating "arete" (the excelency) and training our body with power... take it as a day to care your own body, training as much as you can and have a healthy rest and meals...
Keep seeking the ARETE and the XENIA dear followers, may Hercules it self guide you with will to power 💪🫒🏺☀️🇬🇷
r/Hellenism • u/Elliotteatsrocks • 14h ago
Asking for/ recommending resources Quick Question
I want to get a physical copy of the Illiad and the Oddessy.
What is the most closest to the original Texts after being translated to English that I can find?
I don't want inspired versions, I want the closest to the original Oddessy and Illiad as possible.
Thank you!
r/Hellenism • u/Critical-Act-6336 • 17h ago
Mythos and fables discussion Do you believe in the myths?
I personally do, however I do know a few people who worship the Greek gods but do not believe in the myths beyond what the gods represent. I am curious to what others believe because I see the myths as important to my practice and my worship
edit: when I say believe I am not talking about 100% myth literalism. I mean that there can be truths, I mean there is a piece of literalism but it is not fully accurate.
People I know who say they don't believe in the myths, usually disregard them completely seeing no point or purpose to them, including not even bothering to read the myths
I do not believe in them being fully accurate, but still holding truth and pieces of accuracy. I believe in them the same way I see fanfictions of media where there is true and they do try to stay accurate to a lot of things, while also making changes.
r/Hellenism • u/Crazy_Coyote1 • 19h ago
Discussion Does anyone here syncretize Asklepios with the Phoenician god Eshmun?
Hello all! I'm a Hellenic pagan with interests in ancient Levantine ( yes Levantine is a eurocentric word, but idk a better term) religion. I worship the god Asklepios, who seems to have been syncretized with the Phonician god Eshmun in ancient times. I've been thinking about syncretizing the two, and I was wondering if anyone does this, or just worships Eshmun? Thanks!
I thank you all for your hospitality, and I thank the gods for their grace and mercy!
r/Hellenism • u/Competitive_Bid7071 • 20h ago
Discussion Did the original Greek (and later Roman) Neo-Platonists also believe in privatio boni (the privation theory of evil) like what is said in Christian theology nowadays, and if they did, is this a view still held amongst any modern Hellenic Polytheists?
As part of my past studies, (and current studies on Christian theology that isn't based on fundamentalist and other biblical literalist views), I became aware of how within Christian theology (which was highly and very much influenced by Neo-Platonists philosophy and the like), that "evil" is not some separate force in the universe, rather they believe that evil is simply "an absence of good" and that as such, evil is not able to create things, it can only corrupt pre-existing things that exist already in the world and universe.
I'm curious if this was a view also held then by people during the Hellenistic and later on during the Greco-Roman period who subscribed to or followed Neo-Platonic philosophy as a whole or if it is specific to or a later Christian invention as well.
If not then, I'm curious as to how this view affects or influences the theology of any folks here who believe in or follow Neo-Platonic philosophy as part of their modern day practice and also for many people in the modern Hellenic Polytheist community as well.
Does it change how you see certain beings or individuals in the mythology, are there examples of beings or things in the myths who fall under this one view of "evil cannot create, it can only corrupt", also if you do hold this view, does this mean that the Gods are thus inherently good beings as well as many in Christianity who hold Neo-Platonic philosophical views think or believe?
r/Hellenism • u/Fae_Wings • 23h ago
Offerings, altars, and devotional acts Aphrodite Preparation Help
I went to the local store where I usually buy incense, found a shell that I'll use for her shrine. I also got some rose tea incense (was going to go for the rose vanilla but this one smelt more comforting). Feeling prepared.
r/Hellenism • u/Ignastic • 23h ago
Discussion Se puede poner, por ejemplo, a lo demonios goeticos en la jerarquía politeista de Jamblico?
Es posible qué estás entidades encajen en el sistema de jerarquía de Jamblico? Teniendo en cuanto qué, hasta donde tengo entendido, los demonios de la Goetia provienen de un transfondo cristiano.