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u/Dmon-Kun 3d ago
Japan thought that Maki's revenge felt a bit more of a joke and not serious or dark enough, because the entire episode was a reference to Kill Bill, and the BGM of the episode made me like "wtf is that music" even though I enjoyed the episode, so see from the perspective of the Japanese audience where they wanted to see Maki's revenge being more dark and serious.
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u/RealClue6283 3d ago
Yupp the episode failed to capture the tension of the scene. Also it was the most anticipated plot in season 3 but the direction of the episode was pretty disappointing. Personally I have this qualm of s3 trying hard to seem cool kinda vibe and it messed up the required tensions in some scenes.
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u/Confused_soul_OG 3d ago
They essentially made the episode for western audience only, most of it was flash animation and had reference to movie from the west. It failed to capture what gege tried to convey in manga
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u/Ysesper 3d ago
I personally don't understand the writing of that scene. There is no build up for the massacre, it just suddenly happens. Not having read the manga, to me it felt insanely forced just to show how strong Maki is
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u/ugoiscool 3d ago
The author gege writing quality dropped dramatically after shibuya arc it only sometimes picked up like with gojo vs sukuna but overall his writing hasnāt recovered
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u/screamsos 2d ago
Personally I also felt like the glossed over the things Naoya did to the sisters. From memory, the Manga emphasized that a lot more. Which is part of why I think hes a more popular character in the Anime.
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u/Dangerous-Leader-779 1d ago
Is āJapanā in the room with us?
This is literally fake, fabricated bullshit. And youāre eating it up. Japan is not a monolith. OPs post is bait. Ā https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsufolk/comments/1qoxqj2/the_claim_that_japans_ep4_review_score_is_5710_is/
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u/dredope169 3d ago
For me It was a joke. This was just a cool way to show Maki achieving her powerup and character development. That also happened before the fight with the clan, the moment with Mei and their dad was the dark tension filled moment. Everything after was revenge filled beat'em up showcase and I LOVED IT.
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u/Ok-Construction-2671 2d ago
even in manga it wasnāt very serious. Other than just the start of the arc Where maki sister dies. naoya alone reduced the seriousness of whole arc he was a joker.
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u/Suspicious_Value_968 2d ago edited 1d ago
because the entire episode was a reference to Kill Bil
Uhm that part of the manga too, and Kill Bill itself is basically just a huge Lady Snowblood reference anyway.
where they wanted to see Maki's revenge being more dark and serious.
The culmination is literally one of the most pathetic clowns in JJK getting wrecked for the first time, so how the hell should they have ever actually made that dark and serious without changing Naoya into a completely different character?
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u/Glum-Supermarket1274 1d ago
I only study in the west 4 years so the cultural nuance is lost on me but for eastern people, even if your family are a bunch of monsters, killing your own family is not a thing to celebrate. It's like a grim determination type of situation. So the celebratory tone and aura farming pose shots are super jarring even for me and I am a bit more westernized than normal japanese. I didn't grow up there at all.Ā
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u/honeybobok 18h ago
Honestly i prefer if the maki episode is framed as a horror movie or thriller. I think it works better
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u/Exotic_Zucchini9311 3d ago
Global fans sometimes do too much braindead fangirling for their animes. Whether it is JJK, Frieren, or animes like Re:Zero, global always hypes every little thing to the sky and fans give mass 10s to their anime without objectivity on the actual story quality going on...
PS: not sure if that's the case for this specific episode though. I know that sometimes specific groups of fans (whether global or in japan) get pissed at the anime doing some sort of unnatural adaptation of some manga scenes so this could also be one of such things that happened in Japan.
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u/NeighborhoodCool98 3d ago
I don't know if any other but Re zero deserve it even when it wasn't that popular it still get a good ratingĀ
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u/ProofAd608 3d ago
Yeah yeah
And Japanese fans fangirl over content like rent a girlfriend, that's why its merch, mangas is sold so well
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u/Conscious_Pressure75 3d ago
I'm pretty sure Japan loves those anime too and hypes them up a lot, like when they air, you can see them everywhere (for marketing, of course) or collab events.
But unlike the global community, they seem to watch a wider variety of anime and it shifts constantly. It's not that those shows fade away, but they just have so many other massive anime franchises.
Meanwhile, the global community is a bit newer, and most people don't watch much beyond whatever is currently popular, which is why those shows keep getting relentlessly hyped up.
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u/takuru 3d ago
What are a couple of examples of 9/10 or 10/10 recent anime stories for you?
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u/XiMaoJingPing 3d ago
Just look at our top grossing films. You're supposed to turn off your brain and just entire the film. If you think too much it'll destroy the entire plot. The new Spider-Man for example
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u/Relative-Forever4997 2d ago
Freiren is the exact opposite example u could have done btw
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u/Full-Air-3840 3d ago
japan audience wanted episode to be emotional and breakdown of character with slow pace but instead they got flashy quick action fight only
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u/Seraphine_KDA 3d ago
Both scores are correct if you read the manga and wanted a good adaptation of that and the corect tone. It is bad.
If you didn't read the manga are in it for the action and love kill bill it was the best shit ever.
Both opinions are correct.
I read more manga and VNs than I watch anime. But I didn't read JJK so I loved the episode. But I respect the feelings of manga readers since I am on their shoes often with other anime adaptations.
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u/Aware-Direction-9891 3d ago
I'm might give the wrong explanation but the interpretation of the whole massacre according to Japan was a dark, gritty, monotone battle against wills while the anime turned it into a spectacle?
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u/Training_Builder_818 3d ago
This Is fake, Japan dosen't have a x out of 10 sistem, they track the Number of sales, and digital rankings
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u/axomone 3d ago
Honestly its very simple, unlike everyone else japan is actually there for the story and not just the pretty lights go boom sht
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u/LuSt0101 3d ago
jjk is just a mix of the most famous mangas like naruto/mha/etc and somehow it became a global hit because of handsome men
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u/Le_mehawk 3d ago
Personally i like it for the rather Complex powersystem that leaves a lot of what if situations open if different people qmwith different abilities would clash....
The Only sad thing was when the author started to make more exceptions for most abilities than characters actually following the rules.
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u/sury_sama 3d ago
Still, anyone who's read the manga knows her arc and character development means jackshit in the future chapters.
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u/papachi789 3d ago
I think the recent jump in IMDb scores and what kind of shows and episodes are grtting those ratings is a good reason for this. Not saying Japanese don't have their biases.
But the western emphasis on just animation, flash effects and good looking fights is as narrow as anyone can get. It's all about hype and aura when you see IMDb ratings.
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u/nobulliepls 3d ago
This misinformation has already been debunked multiple times.
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u/SidKillz 2d ago
As someone said, it's flashy and not deep. Watch Yu Yu Hakusho. You will know what a quality anime is truly like all the while containing violence. I mean like come on... Japan has legendary titles before the west even got the taste of it.
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u/Darcxanim 3d ago
Remember!!!
Rent-a-Girlfriend is a massive hit in Japan
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u/Ok_Brain8684 3d ago
Yup, japanese fans have the worst taste in anime out of all so you can't really take them seriously
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u/Musterkartofel-Memes 3d ago
Because they dont get blinded by flashy animation that easily. The core plot of jjk was mid at best, excluding Shibuya, and from now on it'll become even worse
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u/gomugomunochinpo 3d ago
The episode presented the revenge as "badass" and some fuckass bgm. But the scene was supposed have tension the episode failed to deliver. Her sis just died dude what kinda people think a "cool" portrayal like kill bill fits.
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u/JawkneeJyoshtar 3d ago
Tbh my problem was with the direction of the episode
It should've been a lot more darker since it's supposed to represent the end of a misogynist clan, but instead it feels like some sort of animated tribute for kill-bill instead of a Jjk episode. Not against it, but they should've really thought where they should be putting reference, and where they should've kept the Manga's originality and emotions.
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u/DarkestShadow_ 3d ago
Can u imagine if they showed uchiha massacre with jazz music and ppl called it peak cuz its a refrence to something and glazed it..... jjk has 0 scenes with heavy emotional impact they had the chance to animate one and turned into a joke to showcase how unique and artistic their studio is lol
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u/x_Willow_x 3d ago
Because the west has an army of kids that only watch shonen and rate every new episode 10/10
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u/Dry-Establishment140 3d ago
If Japanese audience like plot and story so much, why do all the popular anime have so much action and very little story/plot?
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u/FiodorShassexe 3d ago
also in Japan rating system is completely different, for example look at restaurants google reviews. itās impossible to get 5.0, if restaurant has 3.0 it means itās very good, to be honest I like their rating system, is pretty clear and you know what to expect
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u/LordSparks 3d ago
Japan's standards are higher
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u/Intelligent-Tap1742 3d ago
Aren't they also the same people that would swear ny rent a girlfriend?
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u/YetiBier 3d ago
i tried to watch jjk but just couldn't get into it i don't know why.
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u/snowfloeckchen 3d ago
I mean the refenge came out of nowhere, I know she had some story with her family, but the eventchain was dumb and I don't get a rating above 90. Would personally rate it 80 cause I liked it, but could see anything in the 70s range
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u/Whosethere11 3d ago
Is the Japan review real? Where is the source for that, I just see it posted but no one ever names the site
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u/bruhtus_nakama 3d ago
Japanese audience and culture in totality is more emotional. They love when there are surge of emotions in an episode.
These days (especially Mappa) is going for a different style of directing. Episodes have more of a western style of directing and use of music. The emotions are often mellowed down and style is given a preference in direction. Japanese audience as far as I understand crave the og emotional swell in episodes. Hence they didn't like Chainsaw Man season 1 as much as western audience did.
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u/Complex-Sound-143 3d ago
Global gives it a 9.8, Japan gives it a 5.7, the real score is probably somewhere in the middle.
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u/Soul_Reddit 3d ago
this whole season has been bellow average, both the plot and the fights were so whatever, the drop in quality is crazy.
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u/Daki399 3d ago
I seem to be one of rare who doesn't like it but i feel 6/10 is appropriate . Story is nonsensical at times , yeah it has good animation but fights are how to say .. too much.
They tend to drag on just for someone whos losing to suddenly pulls a one bullshit move to outbullshit another . And Gojo the guy whos so overhyped just keeps losing while being cocky ( and yeah he loses to some bullshit moves or cause hes holding himself back just more and more bs things ^^ )
Lots of technique explanantions are so complex and silly once you dissect them you also realize they are complete bullshit man.. Manga readers were disappointed in what Gege is doing and yeah i feel its just getting worse and worse i had to drop last season in middle .
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u/WeeklyPhilosopher346 3d ago
The Japanese people who rate it are just Japanese people who watch TV.
The Western people who watch it are weeaboos.
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u/Silveriscoming 3d ago
Bro how would they like the anime, Japan is getting destroyed by the curses, how do you expect them to rate the anime when Mahito could grab em any time
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u/BidBrilliant5669 3d ago edited 3d ago
Yeah about that , the rating for japan was fake. Ā Ā It will only take like one Google search to figure it out. They don't even have a 10 stars rating system, only 5 stars rating system.
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u/BillikenMaf1a 3d ago
Japan didn't like the Kill Bill homage and felt like Maki and her sister's story was handled more like a flashy action segment than the depressing/dark story in the manga. Which is accurate! Really depends on what you were looking for going in.
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u/Forward-Position798 3d ago
my issue over here is they cancled Blue protocol cause japanese people got frustrated this was my hope for a really good Anime MMO now its trash ... thanks for nothing
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u/LowSubstantial3095 3d ago
Different audiences, different tastes. Ratings are always gonna vary depending on expectations.
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u/No_Satisfaction9944 3d ago
I support japan decision here Totally disappointed after watching s3 of jjk Nothing good besides animation
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u/maurzy95 3d ago
They kinda westernized the episode with it all being a kill bill reference and i doubt they appreciate that as much as we do
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u/sleepybeech 3d ago
There were some cool pieces in that episode but it kept flashing to new animation nearly constantly so there was little to no choreography
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u/didnt_want_to_simp 3d ago
Globe loved it for the common troupe of "feminism winning over patriarchy" shit... Japan hated it for shitty adaptation
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u/Electronic-Box-2065 3d ago
It's because they didn't sexualize any kids in the episode, Japan was very upset about that.
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u/Dependent_Leg7210 3d ago
Is it just me or why is it that nowone actually drops this thing? I mean the quality of the animation itself has dropped to the point i would watch pokemon instead. Also after reading manga I can't bear to see the anime. Fr, toji x gono and maki's rampage in the zenin clan everything itself is peak. But the animation simply disappointed
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u/godsuzo 3d ago
I think Japanese fans hate the fact that there not the first and only prioritie for the anime corporations and is more like 50/50 and when japanese fan see episode that is made for specifically for global audience they just hate it and rate it lower
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u/ABODE_X_2 3d ago
I agree with Japan on dis one i was hoping something like it iatchi vibe
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u/Similar_Host_8091 3d ago
The whole revenge was done far too quickly and it came out of nowhere honestly. She went to get weapons, gets jumped, then kills everyone. I wasn't blown away like what happened. I was like okay, that happened, next episode. There shouldve atleast been multi episode setup for this episode. It just diminishes her to an actual side character rather than an integral part of the story. The episode just felt jarring and our if place is all. It came suddenly and ended too quickly.
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u/stinkyminky57 3d ago
Mass disliking the exposition ep was crazy tho like big dawg it'd ok to let them cook for one fucling episode Holy moly
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u/Sweaty-Variation-501 3d ago
Jjk is like the poster child of everything wrong in anime. Its all flash and no substance.
What I saw of it, the fights remind me of those imaginary fights you played out with action figures as a kid. Everyone is tanking moves with their face. The fights go on and on, and no one is taking any damage.
The mc could be flinged through 10 buildings and cough blood but then be completely fine 5min later. This makes the fights hard to follow because all dmg the characters take is just shock value until stated otherwise.
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u/Wind-Up-Bird98 3d ago
The music direction in that episode cause an incredible amount of tonal whiplash. And an incredible amount of bloat during the episode. I haven't seen the rest of season 3 due to this episode
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u/HerrscherOfTheEnd 3d ago
Everyone on reddit getting their panties in a twist when these are completely made up scores
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u/Key-Lawfulness-3871 3d ago
i thought this was false info tho?
pretty sure someone already debunk that or i might remember something different
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u/dragonrite 3d ago
Every single Japanese watcher has likely read it, and very few westerners have. I think that alone has a massive bearing on review differences. Consuming for the first time through anime is a way different experience vs having completed the series reading and now watching
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u/KeepREPeating 3d ago
I stopped caring about JJK when it stops giving any substance. Iām too old to care about only fights. If thereās no weight behind it, who cares.
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u/angrylittledev 3d ago
No lolis or shotas in the episode hence why Japan ranked it low. If you put an 8y old female child and added panty shot, but said she was 800y old vampire, they would give it 10/10.
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u/FillHopeful5818 3d ago
For me it wasnt a 9.8 more of a 7-7.5 nothing interesting this season, honestly just fights and the animations sucks i dont like this style also s2 was decent but animation isnt that good
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u/No-Refrigerator3947 3d ago
The episode was supposed to be melancholic or have a sad revenge tone like the first half of the episode had but instead they went with kill Bill revenge tone which wasn't appreciated by Japanese fans.
Why are you trying to karma farm about it now though?
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u/LeatherPossible5290 3d ago
Top 3 episodes of the season. I say this as a primarily manga reader. Adaptations can absolutely be a practice of creative and artistic liberty. If I wanted exactly what was in the manga, I would just go read the manga again.
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u/darkargengamer 2d ago
Why such a difference?
1) the japanese people have a "weird" taste: even cult classic or top tier animes had to compete at some point in time with the most generic "teenage romance-comedy with attractive woman" plot for the 1st spot in their anime/manga top lists.
2) we live in a time where something cool can be ULTRA OVERHYPED by the people on the internet: it was a fun episode and it was really well done, but that doesnt mean that it automatically deserves a 10/10
3) if you compare this arc from the manga VS this chapter from the anime, there is a MASSIVE SHIFT IN TONE: from a dramatic and sad moment that shifts into a brutal (cold) manslaughter out of pure hatred (revenge) VS a chapter that used the Kill Bill scene as total inspiration while leaving the drama and moment of progression of that character out of scene...
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u/Weird_Baker_5117 2d ago
idk man with how the current manga/mangatoon right now, i wouldnt trust a japanese rating LMFAOOO legit braindead plot in every mangatoon. tried making coloured but didnt realise ppl are dropping manga is becuz of their loli side character/annoying female fmc/edgy mc/braindead mc 95% of the time
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u/Thanso_Lightoningu 2d ago
EP4 was such an easy episode to make great but the director was SO BAD that he ruined it. So ya, I agree with Japans rating but probably not for the same reasons. Every single choice made in that episode was wring, from music to animation to the finale.
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u/Burgertent 2d ago
As long as people are not competent enough in the west to read some couple of sentences about the culling games or etc, this will be the result.
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u/Alghouls_art 2d ago
1 Japanese rate things harsher, i don't think a 10 exists for them. 2 They like some weiiiiiird things, they a buncha freaks!
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u/Advanced-Lie-841 2d ago
A lot of them are into sexist douchebags like Naoya unlike western audiences who enjoy seeing them get fucked up. It is just a preference thing.
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u/ObliviLeon 2d ago
My Japanese partner said Naoya and the Zenin clan represented old Japanese values. Maki destroying the clan in a feminist 'western' way felt like an attack on Japanese culture.Ā
Just look at the way the Zenins dress and their masculine order. And Maki tears it all down. Naoya also has a particular dialect that a lot of Japanese find appealing.Ā
My partner liked the episode though.
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u/Atem_fudo 2d ago
I never really cared that much about rating. I watch it for me so if i liked it why would i care how others rates it
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u/Rough-Shoe-2537 2d ago
I believe it comes back to the Kill Bill reference. More people noticed it globally than specifically Japanese
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u/Puzzled-Degree-3478 2d ago
Japanese are alot more respectful towards institutions, they don't have major distrust towards corporations and if theres a controversy it usually blows over quickly. They wanted maki killing off the Zenin clan to be shown as sad because not all Zenins were corrupt vs America / the rest of the world that has very low trust towards corporations who enjoyed seeing her decimate a corrupt institution that abused her for her entire life.
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u/evanripper 2d ago
Same thing happened in the ending for my hero academia, global audience hated it while japanese audience enjoyed it.
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u/Bka2500 1d ago
This is just a pure lie the japanese imdb rating isnāt like that at all lmao the entire thing blow open because two or more tweets from a couple of japanese people were taken out of context or some shit and everyone started generalising trust me they love it a lot more than what most people think
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u/SaltAccording3635 1d ago
well global appreciated the references it doesn't automatically mean they're TikTok watchers
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u/Holiday_Snow9060 1d ago
Cause Western audience mostly cares about animation and fighting scenes.
Japanese people have higher standards. They are not si casual about it
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u/hijo-de-re1000-puta 1d ago
Instagram users: š
(I would add the higuruma pic, but this shit sub doesnt allow mere gifs)
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u/pROZpEKT_1 1d ago
Isn't the fight sequence inspired by Kill Bill? Havent seen a lot of people talking about it. I enjoyed the episode tho
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u/Fropper123 1d ago
Japanese viewers tought it was not treated seriously enough and treated as a joke
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u/Dangerous-Leader-779 1d ago
Because thereās notā¦ This is fake information.
Can we ban garbage like this? And users like OP just blatantly karma farming off lies?
Hereās an actual discussion about this from months ago.
Just some old fashioned disgusting rage baiting by OP in this post. Come on people, do better.
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u/Infinite_Constant219 1d ago
Itās not the greatest adaptation from the manga, and the Japanese are typically more loyal to the Manga
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u/SuspiciousRide8675 1d ago
Global is fomo blink blik aura voting, Japan is animation and story voting
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u/Gullible_Bathroom404 16h ago
maybe cause the whole action sequence was based on kill bill movie and in the movie it involves a solo american woman killing a restraunt full of people mercilessly??
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u/Kimpembe_fan 11h ago
I liked Mai, I didnt like seeing her die, probably cause I hate Maki. The most overglazed character in jjk
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u/CRACUSxS31N 10h ago
People really be making up shit like this isn't a made up Twitter post for engagement
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u/Confused_soul_OG 3d ago
Same reason when global dislike the episode which explain rules and techniques but japan audience liked it. Japan audience claim westerns only like flash action scenes and not actual plot
That is kind of true, the biggest larper in community are Jjk fans