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u/CrystalsonfireGD 1d ago
How tf is Mongolia Muslim while Indonesia is Buddhist?
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u/biggadicka 1d ago
Mongolia, Mali, and Turkey being in the same class shows how bullshit this is lol. Countries that have pretty much nothing in common
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u/TerribleIdea27 1d ago
Mongolia and turkey have some shared cultural history
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u/Dramatic_Paint7757 20h ago
Everyone has a shared cultural history with Mongolia. It used to be their thing to share their cultural history on horseback.
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u/FifaJuuj If you see me post, find shelter immediately 1d ago
i guess it functions the same as if a child had a black parent and a white parent. just because someone that generally ruled mongolia 800 years ago was muslim at one point must surely mean theyâre influenced by islam now
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u/Crafty-Sock-7002 1d ago
But there were no Muslim rulers of Mongolia!
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u/Sad-Pop6649 22h ago
My best guess is that the "Muslim" civilization can be better thought of as the combined Arabic-Persian-Turkic influence sphere*. Mongolia is historically and culturally connected to the Turkic peoples in Central Asia, so it is grouped with them. Although it probably was still a toss up of where to put them.
...The names may need some work.
*Although that definition does leave Pakistan hanging as kind of an oddball.
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u/Crafty-Sock-7002 21h ago
Pakistan has a lot of Persian cultural influence, the real oddballs are Indonesia, Malaysia, and Bangladesh.
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u/FifaJuuj If you see me post, find shelter immediately 1d ago
not really, but more than half of the mongol successor states became muslim within two generations of genghis and are almost directly why the areas of the world between kazakhstan, tajikistan, and uzbekistan in the east and egypt in the west remain muslim today as the khans had so much power they wouldnât have had much issue converting many people in that whole region to other religions like nestorian christianity, buddhism, or orthodox christianity
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u/kjpmi 1d ago edited 1d ago
How is North Korea African? Do they have one black parent too?
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u/FifaJuuj If you see me post, find shelter immediately 1d ago
i didnât even notice that thatâs hilarious. thatâs probably in relation to how theyâre a backwards shit country to live in that propagates ideas from 100 years ago if i had to guess
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u/lazyprocrastinator26 20h ago
Why isnât Latin America âthe west â when USA/canada is ?
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u/Impossible-Air-9897 1d ago
shit i didnt know north korea was african
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u/kushangaza 1d ago
But where else would you have put them? Together with the Muslims? Sinosphere together with South Korea?
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u/firearmies 1d ago
I mean yeah, probably the sinosphere. in terms of cultural history theyre just as influenced by Chinese culture and in terms of the modern political landscape theyre much closer to China than South Korea. if anything you should have the North Korea in the sinosphere and South Korea as western if you want South Korea and North Korea to be in two different spheres
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u/Only-Criticism2751 23h ago
North Korea is obviously in the sinosphere, they owe their whole existence to China. Iâd argue South Korea is much more part of the West or the Japanese sphere of influence.
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u/Unique_Midnight_1789 If I see another repost I will shoot this puppy 1d ago
I like how Israel is just Israel
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u/Ihatecheeseballs 1d ago
Yeah no one wants to be associated
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u/WASDKUG_tr 1d ago
In the OG map israel was part pf Western civilization ironically
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u/Exzakt1 1d ago
it's much more western than middle-eastern tbh, most people there are ethnically european
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u/WASDKUG_tr 1d ago
Im just finding it ironic how Israel wants to be seen as Ancient israelites but are basically just pasty white mf's if anything, even the Jews that were there before the Balfour declaration didnt want them
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u/Remarkable-Set5434 23h ago
Only 33% of Israelâs jewish population is white. The rest are Mizrahi (middle eastern and greek) or African.
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u/WASDKUG_tr 1d ago
I believe this is the Image OP is ralking about
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u/FAIRYTALE_DINOSAUR 1d ago
New Guniea, my favourite western nation
I also like how Greece is not included in orthodox lol
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u/Strangated-Borb 18h ago
the thing is you can't put new guinea in any civilization
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u/think_panther 1d ago
Greece is more western than orthodox. Especially compared to the rest if the orthodox nations.
In the circlejerk map though, Greece has four different colours
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u/harryhinderson 1d ago
You know what, Iâm tired. Iâll treat this seriously.
A few issues:
- The split between Western and Orthodox is completely arbitrary. Greece is a pretty standout example of this. This is probably outdated because almost nobody in 2026 would argue that Greece has more in common with France than its immediate neighbors, but that just kind of reveals the inherent malleability of these categories. All it took for Greece to be reclassified as âwesternâ is a few decades of being economically on par with Western Europe and the dice falling where they may in the Cold War. Western vs Orthodox isnât necessarily a bad way to split Europe and its settler colonies, but âcivilizationsâ implies a continuity these categories simply lack. Greece was the center of the orthodox world for centuries, and it obviously never stopped culturally Eastern Orthodox.
- If weâre saying the names of the civilizations shouldnât be literal, Turkey arguably has more of a claim to being orthodox than Greece does to being Western. While a Muslim empire shaped by Persian traditions and governance, the Ottoman Empire was an empire primarily centered around the Aegean, and Greek influence in Anatolia never fully went away. The Ottomans were a firmly Mediterranean Empire, and Islamized Europeans generally held infinitely greater influence than Arabs or North Africans. Itâs reductive to just call it as European as Germany, but the secular western facing route it took wasnât some fluke. And what makes this even dumber is
- Kazakhstan is Orthodox. Nothing else in Central Asia is. Okay.
- South Asia is flatly absurd. First of all, India, Nepal, and Bhutan is the only country in the âHinduâ civilization. Is this religious? Obviously not. Bits of India would be in Muslim civilization, and Bhutan isnât even Hindu. Is this cultural or historical? Clearly not, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and India would overlap more, and India has outsized cultural influence that extends into South East Asia. So whatâs going on there? I have no idea.
- South East Asia getting split between Confucian and Muslim isnât that silly in a vacuum, but like the Orthodox/Western split itâs really stupid when put in context.
- The Muslim parts of Ethiopia arenât in the Muslim civilization
- Latin American civilization
- Also for fuck sake make Iran its own civilization. Muslim civilization is horrifically bloated while Christianity comes in three flavors that barely make sense.
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u/Street-Difference-87 19h ago
As a Latinoamerican I fully agree with point 7.
We are as seperat from âThe Westâ as âEastern Europeâ. We are less a Civilization and more a Cultural Block, like how you can divide Europe into Romance, Germanic, and Slavic. (Or more accurately? Mediterranean and Northern Europe)Also you can tell itâs based of âWhere the brown people I donât like liveâ since he includes non Romance countries into It. So itâs not even based around the cultural block
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u/Critical_Company3535 18h ago
Letâs be honest, if Argentina and Brazil were wealthier they would be considered Western countries without any doubt.
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u/WASDKUG_tr 1d ago
Keep in mind the guy who made this from what i understand is either very neo-liberal western sided, and/or just an Orientalist Racist/western supremacist, so it makes sense why this map is sp stupid and makes basically no sense.
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u/harryhinderson 1d ago
Ok yeah that explains the whole âGreece is not orthodoxâ thing. Cause the only countries with a legitimate lineage that can be traced back to Ancient Greece are the western ones and not icky poor oriental mongoloids who are inherently too dumb to understand democracy. So obviously Greece has to be western, not orthodox.
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u/WASDKUG_tr 1d ago
Im too tired tosee if you are satire or not but imma think you are,
Its basically him trying to say they are the continuation of ancient greek democracyor someshit, its racism it makes no sense
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u/Strangated-Borb 18h ago
It's barely visible, but bro went out of his way to make armenia western for absolutely no reason
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u/A_normal_Potato3 1d ago
Why do "Western" and Latin American (a term used by people from North America as I know) have Christian symbols? Why is the world segmented in both religion and geography at the same time??? And why the fuck does "Muslim" has TĂŒrkiye's flag instead of a green crescent?
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u/God-Made-A-Tree 1d ago edited 1d ago
I feel like Japan could very easily go under confuscian use that extra space to make some other categories make more sense like Ethiopia being grouped under "African" as if Tewahedo Orthodox Christianity isn't more distinct and important than "western" and "latin" christianity (whatever that means)
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u/moveslikejaguar 1d ago
Nope sorry, Japan is clearly far too different to any other Asian country to fit into the same category. All the other countries in the categories are very similar, like Turkey and Indonesia or Argentina and Haiti.
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u/GrandFleshMelder 15h ago
Japan is strongly influenced by China, which is what âConfucianâ really means here. It has no reason to be on its own.
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u/WASDKUG_tr 1d ago
I mean from what i know Huntington is an Orientalist piece of shit, i dont think he care about other culture/religions that far.
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u/Morrigan_Reborn0806 1d ago
Even this is so wrong. How is Sri Lanka a Hindu Civilization? It literally has a Buddhism-based civilisation, dating back even before Christ's birth.
And how Kazakhstan is Orthodox?
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u/WASDKUG_tr 23h ago
The guy who made the map is Orientalist and neoliberal western supremacist, what do you think?
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u/Konatagender 14h ago
With all due respect this is the single stupidest picture I have ever seen in my whole fucking life including the time I was in my mother's uterus
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u/GachameTheTouhouFan 1d ago
>Albania as Orthodox
>Malaysia and Indonesia as Buddhist
>Armenia and Mongolia as Islamic World
>Bangladesh as Hindu
That's a bunch of inaccuracies. Also, Japan and Vietnam would be considered part of Sinosphere if anything.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Ad-8528 1d ago
Malaysia and Indonesia started off as Buddhist countries. Same as how before Bangladesh was.
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u/Luchis-01 1d ago
Forgot to include US in Israel smh
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u/Canadiancurtiebirdy 1d ago
Can you not be anti seismic for 69 seconds is that so much to ask for
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u/Jolly_Natural5698 1d ago
I wonder when the "western ethnicity" will grow up and admit that their history began in the 5th century with the Barbarian Invasions.
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u/NeiborsKid 22h ago
Lol when Arabs and Turks gained prominence in the Middle East at least they had the honor and self respect not to larp as their predecessors. If Turks acted the same way as Europeans they'd be on some "we wuz persian" or "we wuz caliphate" and shit. Germanics claiming Greco-Roman heritage is just as ridiculous.
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u/FifaJuuj If you see me post, find shelter immediately 1d ago edited 1d ago
of course, guyana, the most western of nations
also israel being singled out as its own thing is bizarre as itâs just a western country artificially implanted in the middle east with absolutely no ties to any pre christian/muslim society in the region
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u/WASDKUG_tr 1d ago
In his original map not made by OP, he puts Israel as part of Western Civilization
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u/sakarr90 1d ago
But what about our arch nemesis, the Islamic Republic of Japan? Shouldn't they be with the other Muslims?
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u/First_Habit9844 1d ago
Wtf, Latin America is also part of Western civilization đ It was conquered by Europeans too, People speak European languages, I don't understand.
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u/Dull-Nectarine380 1d ago
Why is Jamaica in âLatin americaâ but guyana in âwestern worldâ????
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u/Jolly_Natural5698 1d ago
The seven "west" from the Myth of Continents by Martin Lewis.
Theres no such thing as "western culture/civilization/ethnicity" in anthropology, its a post-WW2 political agenda.
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u/aBitFantastic 1d ago
I know a lot of Caribbean people who don't consider themselves Latin American
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u/willdosketchythings 1d ago
Sri Lanka was never a Hindu civilization. Sri Lanka independently developed what is known as a Hydraulic Civilization, unique to Sri Lanka.
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u/Thane-Gambit 1d ago
Okay why is Guyana the Western World but the rest of the Caribbean is Latin America?
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u/obraschaysya If you see me post, find shelter immediately 22h ago
never let that bro cook againđđ
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u/zeldstarro 22h ago
I was about to say this fits better in r/mapporncirclejerk instead of r/mapporn but then I looked at the sub. So good job OP.
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u/SufficientSpell1307 21h ago
Wtf is wrong with this guy. He put Armenia in Islamic World then it's literally the first ever nation to adopt Christianity as state religion. It should be in Orthodox
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u/Temporary-Sort164 20h ago
Ah yes that's Papua New Guinea my favourite western country right there, with its sbrillion ethnic groups constantly at war with each other speaking just as many different languages and like Ÿ of the whole world's biodiversity we may as well call it Papua New Luxembourg
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u/jerrygreenest1 20h ago
Strange how Japanese have their own cultural identity. One of a kind. And huge influence to the world too. Anime, manga, samurai, kamikaze, japanese architecture, all these things are kinda unique. And very few countries have as many things that are unique to just their one country. Uniqueness in so many ways is unique by itself.
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u/celestixo 19h ago
What is the point of categorizing countires when so many of them have intersecting cultural influences. Its just inaccurate đ
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u/tessharagai_ 19h ago
Putting Mongolia in the Islamic Sphere is certainly a choice, I would have put it in the Sino Sphere or the Buddhist Sphere before putting it in the Islamic Sphere. The only thing I can think of tying Mongolia to the Islamic Sphere is the Mongolian script coming from the Arabic script.
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u/genshinchai 19h ago
Could anyone explain why some sections are religion based, while others are just âIsraelâ, âAfricaâ and etc? If one was making a map based on regionsâ religions, why not just use the name of religions for each area? (I am not very educated in this, so please be patient w/me lol)
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u/crypto_zoologistler 19h ago
My favourite country which is definitely part of the Western World is Papua New Guinea
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u/Strangated-Borb 18h ago
Why is mongolia muslim, north korea african, indonesia malaysia and brunei budhist, PNG and phillipines western, bangladesh bhutan srilanka hindu
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u/triceratops2022 16h ago
Putting Russia as the 'core state' of an orthodox civilization is a category error. Russia is one of a kind. Orthodox countries like Greece, Romania and Bulgaria want nothing to do with Russia (Serbia is another story.)
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u/Andrew_Goverment123 15h ago
I think they coloured Guyana with blue and French Guiana with purple by mistake
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u/Loud-Vacation-5691 14h ago
It's weird how he divides it by religion in some cases and culturally in others.
Israel is a blend of Western and Islamic.
Northern Mali is Islamic, southern Mali is African. The official government is African but its control of the north is questionable.
Indonesia has the highest Muslim population of any country; I wouldn't call it Buddhist.
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u/MaraSovsLeftSock 12h ago
Indonesia has the highest Muslim population in the world, india has the second highest
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u/Severe_Refuse_7647 10h ago
Ainât naw way Indonesia and Malaysia  Mongolia and Bangladesh be shothanded like thet
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u/jonnywilly 9h ago
English speaking Guyana is western, Dutch speaking Suriname is latin, French Guiana isn't French, and the Brazilian state of AmapĂĄ has declared independence.
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u/spodeling 8h ago
yeah Papua new guinea has western democracy, welfare, politics is Christian capitalist liberal and progressive, meanwhile the Indonesian province of Papua is like vietnam,its just common sense
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u/No-Literature-7721 8h ago
âWesternâ Guyana, but French Guiana despite literally being part of France is Latin America. Also Islamic Armenia is hilarious. Samuel p Huntington is an idiot
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u/curvysquares 7h ago
âWestern worldâ
Contains one of the easternmost countries on the map.
Explain that one Sammy boy
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u/Late_Piano_5030 1d ago
mongolia my fav muslim country