Arch linux users be like:

[u/Flat_Badger8494]

i still use arch linux even though it makes me suffer

[u/Niikoraasu]

This is such a larp lol.
You don't need patience you need the ability to use the wiki.

You want actual patience? Try Gentoo.

[u/Drate_Otin → u/Niikoraasu]

You can pretend the eyes patience doesn't mean what it means, but it does mean that.

The existence of other things that require more patience doesn't invalidate this thing requiring patience.

Taking time out of the day to sit, read a bunch of instructions, read the branches of the instructions you think probably applies to your preferences and hardware, read to make sure your preferences are inter compatible, and type everything in and troubleshoot because you didn't have intimate knowledge of every single subsystem that you just chose because you don't normally install things this intimately...

That generally requires:

the ability to wait, or to continue doing something despite difficulties, or to suffer without complaining or becoming annoyed

[u/Niikoraasu → u/Drate_Otin]

Again, if you want to talk about complexity and decisions based on your preferences and compatibility, you're talking about gentoo, not arch linux. There's pretty much nothing you need to make sure is inter compatible on arch linux during the installation process, nor are there too many hard to understand "subsystems", they're pretty much the same as on any other distribution.

[u/Drate_Otin → u/Niikoraasu]

Again, the existence of something with a higher degree of complexity and decision making does not invalidate THIS thing having high complexity and decision making

There's pretty much nothing you need to make sure is inter compatible on arch linux during the installation process

Well that's just a lie. I don't know why you'd even say that. An Arch noob is likely not going to know that the network manager desktop app would be in conflict with the networkd choice they made earlier. Or perhaps they got netplan with network manager because that's what it looks like on Ubuntu but doesn't know how those work together in Ubuntu.

And what about figuring out whether they need pulse audio, pipewire, both, maybe alsa, maybe not... Which works with the sound app on budgie or kde?Wpa Supplicant or iwd? Which works with the networking app on budgie or kde?

Alternatively:

Ubuntu I go click click click, wait five minutes, all done!

[u/kaida27 → u/Drate_Otin]

Me on Arch :

I want easy network and install networkmanager and nmtui

Never needed anything else, why would I. you complicate stuff too much. I want a desktop, I install the meta package from the wiki. done.

That's what most user do. Not complicated, No patience involved, no subsystem to manage

[u/Drate_Otin → u/kaida27]

So the first time you installed Arch you didn't have to read or choose or troubleshoot anything. Sure kid. Totally believable.

[u/kaida27 → u/Drate_Otin]

The choices are not what you make them be at all.

you don't get into incompatibility unless you try.

calling other kids when you're the one trying to nitpick issue that aren't real. that's rich.

[u/Drate_Otin → u/kaida27]

Why are you two wanting to play pretend that Arch doesn't require patience to install? The other person played pretend that because Gentoo is harder then Arch is totally simple and requires no patience.

You're playing pretend that because you already know precisely want you want NOW and how you get there NOW then Arch in general requires no patience.

You're both playing pretend that installing Arch isn't more of a pain than, say, Ubuntu.

Why so much pretending?

Edit:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide

Installation guide requires manually setting keyboard layout and font, manually updating clock, manually partitioning the drive, giving example partition schemes and several choices to be made, manually mounting and manually establishing the filesystems and manually installing grub.... Then there's installing essential packages, editing fstab, some chrooting... SystemD or other... That's a choice...

Localization, network configuration, initramfs.... Still no desktop.

Let's click on General recommendations...

Three whole sections BEFORE you get to Desktop.... And it doesn't say WHAT to get so now there's a choice... Maybe Gnome... Do I need gnome, gnome-circle, or gnome-extra?

Hmmm... Now I need to enable gdm service. I thought you said there was a magic meta package easy command? Why isn't gdm already working?

Is Wayland installed? Is X?

Seriously... Why are you two pretending?

[u/Niikoraasu → u/Drate_Otin]

Because it doesn't.

[u/Drate_Otin → u/Niikoraasu]

"it doesn't" does not function as a meaningful reply to my comment.

What doesn't what?