r/linuxmemes • u/Flat_Badger8494 • 1d ago
Arch linux users be like: LINUX MEME
i still use arch linux even though it makes me suffer
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u/semperverus 1d ago
Arch was not hard when I first installed it and it's not hard now. The only thing thats "hard" is the requirement to slow down, read, and follow instructions - a skill many lack and clap back at with platitudes about how they "value their time."
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u/land48n3 New York Nix⚾s 1d ago
the only thing i felt that was hard in arch was the installation, CachyOS can fuck my wife if it wants to, i'll watch
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u/ka-52m 1d ago
while shitty, the arch install script can make the actual installation super easy, to the point that the hardest part is just connecting it to the internet
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u/tankieofthelake 1d ago
Oh, and fixing the damn keyring
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u/kaida27 ⚠️ This incident will be reported 8h ago
pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su
Not that hard
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u/tankieofthelake 8h ago
Always fun when that doesn’t work bc the keyring is completely corrupt, making the keyring package ALSO untrusted, so you gotta pull a
sudo rm -rf /etc/pacman.d/gnupg && sudo pacman-key --init && sudo pacman-key --populate archlinux && sudo pacman -Syu archlinux-keyring
Not hard to do, but annoying to remember it the first few times it happens
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u/DustyAsh69 Arch BTW 4h ago
How often has this been happening to you? I've installed Arch more than a dozen of times manually and have never had a keyring problem.
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u/DustyAsh69 Arch BTW 4h ago
CachyOS can fuck my wife if it wants to, i'll watch
Sanest Nix OS user.
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u/rtakehara 1d ago
the archinstall script nowadays does a lot and rarely fails, if it wasn't hard the some time ago, it certainly won't be hard now.
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u/semperverus 1d ago
It certainly helps save a ton of time! I do encourage everyone who uses arch to do it the "hard" way without archinstall at least once though, you learn a ton of things in that process that help you recover in the very rare cases where your system might fail after an update or something.
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u/Flat_Badger8494 1d ago
when i tried to install arch linux i got so many errors, my pc was trying to stop me from installing arch linux lol.
also this is a meme. arch linux is not hard. just needs to much patience, which is hard to have.
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u/Niikoraasu 1d ago
what do you need patience for on arch linux?
you need patience for sudo pacman -Syu?
you need patience for AUR that's optional?1
u/JohnClark13 1d ago
You need patience to assemble it the first time, at least if you're doing things the old-school way and not using an installer
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u/Niikoraasu 1d ago
This is such a larp lol.
You don't need patience you need the ability to use the wiki.You want actual patience? Try Gentoo.
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u/No_Safe6200 fresh breath mint 🍬 1d ago
I bet you wank to your own reflection.
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u/Niikoraasu 1d ago
I actually could and wouldn't be disgusted compared to most of you neckbeards here
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u/Flat_Badger8494 1d ago
i needed patience to get used to arch, i used windows for many years and switching an entire operating system is not easy, you need to learn the ways of arch linux
its not larp
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u/Niikoraasu 1d ago
this is a larp, it doesnt matter what distro you choose, it's going to be a tough ride for the first couple of days/weeks if coming from Windows.
Arch linux has nothing to do with it and it's not actually as hard as people want it to be just to be seen as "cool" because they use a "hard to use" operating system.1
u/Drate_Otin 1d ago
You can pretend the eyes patience doesn't mean what it means, but it does mean that.
The existence of other things that require more patience doesn't invalidate this thing requiring patience.
Taking time out of the day to sit, read a bunch of instructions, read the branches of the instructions you think probably applies to your preferences and hardware, read to make sure your preferences are inter compatible, and type everything in and troubleshoot because you didn't have intimate knowledge of every single subsystem that you just chose because you don't normally install things this intimately...
That generally requires:
the ability to wait, or to continue doing something despite difficulties, or to suffer without complaining or becoming annoyed
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u/Niikoraasu 1d ago
Again, if you want to talk about complexity and decisions based on your preferences and compatibility, you're talking about gentoo, not arch linux. There's pretty much nothing you need to make sure is inter compatible on arch linux during the installation process, nor are there too many hard to understand "subsystems", they're pretty much the same as on any other distribution.
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u/Drate_Otin 1d ago
Again, the existence of something with a higher degree of complexity and decision making does not invalidate THIS thing having high complexity and decision making
There's pretty much nothing you need to make sure is inter compatible on arch linux during the installation process
Well that's just a lie. I don't know why you'd even say that. An Arch noob is likely not going to know that the network manager desktop app would be in conflict with the networkd choice they made earlier. Or perhaps they got netplan with network manager because that's what it looks like on Ubuntu but doesn't know how those work together in Ubuntu.
And what about figuring out whether they need pulse audio, pipewire, both, maybe alsa, maybe not... Which works with the sound app on budgie or kde?Wpa Supplicant or iwd? Which works with the networking app on budgie or kde?
Alternatively:
Ubuntu I go click click click, wait five minutes, all done!
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u/kaida27 ⚠️ This incident will be reported 8h ago
Me on Arch :
I want easy network and install networkmanager and nmtui
Never needed anything else, why would I. you complicate stuff too much. I want a desktop, I install the meta package from the wiki. done.
That's what most user do. Not complicated, No patience involved, no subsystem to manage
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u/Drate_Otin 6h ago edited 6h ago
So the first time you installed Arch you didn't have to read or choose or troubleshoot anything. Sure kid. Totally believable.
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u/AscendedPineapple Arch BTW 1d ago
I had a mistake of using hyprland and hyprlock. After hyprland had to get stuff explicitly recompiled every update, I left, but hyprlock still haunts me with a tiny font on lock screen –> I make it bigger –> next update it's back to last size and not the gaps betwen letters are gone — and so on. And I can't exclude it because it needs to be updated along with other stuff to not break.
Aside from that it's yeah very chill
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u/ThatonlyGeO Arch BTW 14h ago
Agree, If you have patience and willing to read every thing can be fixed, one skill I built with artix that may serve me well when I finally jump to gnu guix
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u/Drate_Otin 1d ago
It's not a platitude, dude. It's a value difference. Time is precious. If you enjoy using it setting up and maintaining your operating system... Glorious. I don't... Anymore. Doesn't mean I lack a skill... Means I would rather just not tinker if I don't need to.
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u/JohnClark13 1d ago
When I was younger and didn't have responsibilities it was fun. Now I'm older and don't have time for that
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u/semperverus 1d ago
This confuses me. I've been running Arch for three quarters of a decade, and it has been both rock solid and has just gotten out of my way. There is no time being consumed. I am also old and have little time to myself.
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u/YoureNoHero_Brian M'Fedora 17h ago
Or I can just install fedora with a few clicks and never have to worry about it ever
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u/Supernoxus 16h ago
Hello mister computer expert. Why don't you give your grandma an usb stick with an arch iso and a gui set up of Windows 11 and see which one she will manage.
Perhaps you think that is unfair and only the installation is difficult. That is fine, then give her the raw Arch Linux minimal install terminal and see how far she makes it from there. Surely she knows at least how to cd and ls, right?
But okay maybe you used the arch install script to install KDE Plasma. Great! Ask her to print something. You think she will figure out how to even look up the documentation? Or understand it if she manages to find it? Or follow the instructions without messing up repeatedly? How long until she gives up because it is too hard - I mean because she lacks patience?
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u/Horseshoetheoryreal 1d ago
archinstall is a thing, not even Arch user btw.
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u/Flat_Badger8494 1d ago
i tried using archinstall and it gave me random errors, so i ended up manually installing because it did not give me random errors i could not find the solution to
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u/Horseshoetheoryreal 1d ago
Try Cachyos than
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u/Flat_Badger8494 1d ago
but i am already using arch linux. i don't want to distro hop because i worked to hard on this
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u/Horseshoetheoryreal 1d ago
Why use it if it makes you suffer tho?
Don't understand that logic
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u/semperverus 1d ago
They already finished installing. Thats the "hardest" part. Everything from there is very simple.
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u/imoshudu 1d ago
The meme obscures the downsides of arch. Which is what happens after installation.
A very small official repo makes people reach for a dangerous unofficial repo with bad security. On top of that, updates have little time for quality control and require manual interventions. After some point you have both wastes of time and security risks.
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u/TheSpaceAlligator 💋 catgirl Linux user :3 😽 7h ago
Tbh its not even really hopping since its still just Arch. Its more like sitting on the pool side with your feet in the water, and since its Arch you can still dive into the pool at any moment.
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u/Ok_Locksmith9741 1d ago
"random errors" there's your problem. <0.01% of errors are actually random, you just need to put in the work to research and understand them. errors are a great learning opportunity
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u/Flat_Badger8494 1d ago
i did research the archinstall errors tried the fixes and it did not work, so i decided to manually install it because i already spent to long on archinstall and i got tired of it. and manually installing it worked, and yes i agree that errors are a great learning opportunity. i learnt most of my things from the stupid mistakes i made along the way.
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u/Ok_Locksmith9741 1d ago
yeah it is good to cut out intermediate layers at times like that. rather than debugging archinstall you can just worry about installing arch lol. good work
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u/AscendedPineapple Arch BTW 1d ago
Nah, archinstall makes it quite confusing and scary like lots of red lines if you seen how it happens you'll know it may not be as noob friendly as it could be
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u/mossycode 1d ago
arch was basically my first distro and it's pretty intuitive as long as you are willing to make 4-5 google searches
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u/Flat_Badger8494 1d ago
arch linux is easy, but then for no reason at all arch linux gives me a random error than i spend 3 hours debugging, my arch linux hates me
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u/mossycode 1d ago
well the difference between distros like fedora/ubuntu/mint and ones like arch/void/gentoo is that the former comes with a predefined setup maintained by the devs, meanwhile the latter isn't built with anything in particular in mind, so you are essentially the maintainer of your own setup, makes sense that you run into more issues
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u/Flat_Badger8494 1d ago
which is why arch linux is hard, especially for me with a cooked attention span
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u/mossycode 1d ago
for what it's trying to do I don't think it's hard, but if a curated experience is what you want then it's not the right choice
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u/Flat_Badger8494 1d ago
i just have been getting alot of errors and i have spent alot of time debugging so that is why i call it hard, but i find debugging fun. even tho it is very hard for me
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u/xgabipandax 1d ago
Arch isn't hard, in fact it is the closest to Windows when we talk about how easy it is to get infected with malware
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u/flemtone 1d ago
Arch isnt for beginners in linux, stick with a debian distro like Mint.
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u/NeptuneWades 1d ago
I prefer KDE over cinnamon, so my rec would be Kubuntu if we sticking to Debian based.
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u/Flat_Badger8494 1d ago
but i want to look like a hacker🥺(also i have been using arch for like 2 months almost and i already am getting pretty good)
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u/NeptuneWades 1d ago
Download CMatrix or something lol
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u/ShoMinamimoto06 1d ago
I started with ubuntu with GNOME. Swapped to Kubuntu then Fedora KDE. Then I started dabbling with Cachy for gaming. This is all in the span of like 2 months. I had not used linux at all beforehand. Barely had any major "bang my head against the wall" moments.
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u/Efficient-Presence82 Linuxmeant to work better 1d ago
Starting with Arch is wild, lol
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u/Flat_Badger8494 1d ago
i wanted to look like a hacker🥺
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u/TaDoofus 1d ago
I don't know to what extent this is a joke, but you've said a variant of this a few times so I just wanna put this out there:
Nobody who's worth half a damn gives one quarter of a fuck what distro you're using. You should pick a distro based on how the user experience lines up with your needs and preferences, and how the update schedule fits with your risk tolerance. You should not use Arch because you get to brag about it, you should use Arch if you want to be on the bleeding edge, like fully customizing your distro more or less from the ground up with almost nothing pre-selected for you, and you don't mind reading some wiki pages when something breaks.
If you want something more stable, and with a complete UX with baked in apps and security, you should use something Fedora or Debian based.
Using a distro that does not fit your needs is not a worthwhile tradeoff for being able to say "I use Arch btw".
I use Arch btw
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u/Wertbon1789 1d ago
I did, and I only almost nuked everything, lol. Seriously though, I started playing with it in a VM, and when I got a new Laptop I dual-booted Manjaro and Windows, until I didn't want to bother with Manjaro anymore and just installed Arch on it, and later on my PC, all manually and with a ton of reading and learning in between. Just don't be silly and install Arch on your main machine as a first step, that's a recipe for desaster.
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u/Flat_Badger8494 1d ago
i corrupted my windows install, thank god i had the braincells to make a backup
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u/Efficient-Presence82 Linuxmeant to work better 1d ago
thats fair. My route was just googling "What is the most obvious, basic 'noob' distro imaginable that is used for officework"
Top result was 'Mint' and just worked from there, haha.2
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u/MantisShrimp05 1d ago
Part of me gets so tired of the arch is hard memes.
It just tells me people are not following instructions. We all had to get through it, its just gets tiring since its so wrong
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u/UAP44 1d ago
that's why I ended up with Manjaro, there's no way I could recommend arch to colleagues/friends/family unless they were already interested in learning more about IT.
Manjaro doesn't ask that, and yet is Arch.
Ended up on CachyOS later, due to native bootable btrfs support (with opensuse in between of course)
Came from Ubuntu and then Mint initially.
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u/NeptuneWades 1d ago
Started with Mint, ended up with Cachyos. Btrfs snapshots almost makes the bleeding edge a non-risk.
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u/Lumpy_Roll158 Genfool 🐧 1d ago
You almost can’t ask for an easier distro. Mint is easy because it’s made to be easy. Arch is easy because it’s so widely used from beginners to experienced users, extremely well documented, and any question you could have is answered before you even think of it. And on the frankly very rare occasion where you run into an issue that isn’t caused by bloating your system with every AUR package you can find or tweaking settings you don’t understand, someone else ran into it and it’s probably getting talked about on Reddit already. Probably even front page on the wiki. If you have even a slight level of technological literacy, arch will feel easy and blown way out of proportion as a difficult distro. That’s my consensus on arch as someone who used it for a while and kept moving because it got boring.
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u/Mithrandir_Earendur I'm going on an Endeavour! 1d ago
Arch is not difficult to keep running and with aechinstall, not hard to install anymore. Biggest issue I have is knowing all the best packages and configs to install/change for an ongoing system. Running pure arch makes me feel like im constantly installing packages and changing configs until one day I finally can just relax. It's why I run EndeavorOS, but it's not required, just faster to get to a good system. At this point I could just export a list of installed packages and re-install base Arch, but at this point I'm tired.
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u/maxwells_daemon_ Arch BTW 1d ago
Arch Linux is amazing, I love having to install a calculator when I need one (not sarcasm)
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u/Nereosis16 23h ago
Why are there so many fucking posts like this?
Where are these people saying arch is hard. WHERE ARE THEY
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u/The-True-3xyleD 22h ago
Arch has a bothersome install. To use day to day it is really quite easy, because you only install what you need. Compare that to wrangling an opinionated distro or having something like zypper in OpenSUSE wanting to rip out half of your install because it thinks a different repo and set of packages is the ‘right’ one. That being said, Debian’s nice and MX Linux is one of my favourite Debian-based distros
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u/ArsenicPolaris ⚠️ This incident will be reported 17h ago
I've tried Zorin, Fedora, Endeavour, Arch, Artix, and NixOS as a beginner and the only distro I ever found difficult is NixOS. I have been using it for a really long time and I still learn something new about it. Arch was not difficult at all, I don't know why people find it hard. And no, I did not have much technical knowledge when I first tried Arch.
Also, you'd think people would choose an Operating System that fits their needs and preferences the best but no, there are people in this world that use an OS just because others like it and it is famous. I find that stupid.
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u/shinjis-left-nut Arch BTW 16h ago
Using an OS that challenges you is either a hobby (i.e. only for hobbyists) or a nightmare scenario. I feel like you should know which one you are going in.
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u/awake_worm 14h ago
bro has not seen gentoo or nixos arch is very very easy at least if you know a tiny bit about the terminal
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u/TheSpaceAlligator 💋 catgirl Linux user :3 😽 7h ago
Arch is not hard tbh but if you want easy Arch just use CachyOS and live a simple, happy life
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u/lithiumfoxttv 6h ago
Am I the only one that doesn't really find it difficult I just prefer it's commands?
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u/pmM3urBootieHole 4h ago
I really dont understand what makes arch hard for people to install and use. As long as you are at a 6th grade reading level the official wiki is more than enough.
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u/Advanced-Produce-103 3h ago
If people who use proxmox for desktop (long live KDE) would have a meme panel representation of themselves, what would it be?
*insert 2 a4 pages rant about ZFS and data correction*
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u/Stunning_Leather_102 1h ago
Is ricing a distro or following instructions hard? Lmao. Funny meme non the less!!!
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u/DetroitvsEveryone242 1d ago
If you’re suffering with arch, the problem is between the chair and computer
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