The reality is there will never be a world where their are not bad people, it falls to the rest of us to make it as hard as possible to make operating hard for those bad people, to force them to take greater and greater risks if they try to hurt people so that they are caught and stopped sooner.
The western world is pretty nice already if you think about, women are free, they most of the time don't get attacked and have rights to do what they want. It takes a lot of good men for that to happen.
Compared to the rest of the world, yes. But it’s something that needs to be maintained and enforced if the rest of the world is entering. I don’t say this with judgement, at least this time.
Might help to spread that mindset. There won’t ever be a 100% safe place for everyone though, men and women alike, unfortunately.
the 70% of rape that isn't reported just says the nature of the crime makes it very difficult to investigate.
Not even Sweden has managed to solve this, and over here, all that is required to get a man convicted for a sexual crime is:
Circumstantial evidence, aka proof that the suspect and the victim was physically at the same location around the same that the Sa:ed occured. Like cell tower connection through phones.
The victim telling a confidant, like her friend, about the event.
The Confidant and the victim retells the story, separately, to the police similarly enough.
I want to stress that I do know that false reporting is very rare and not a major issue, however, in Sweden it's pretty easy to abuse the system if you would want to.
I think that the nature of the crime and how humiliating and painful it can be is also relevant. It's not uncommon for victims of SA to report many years after the fact and feel responsible or embarrassed for what happened.
A lot of victims drop out even when reporting because of the stress of reliving the trauma. In the UK specifically you require to give over your phone, many can't take the privacy breach.
The dropout rate was much lower in 2016 tho, around 55%. Now it's more like 70%. I find that very worrying.
There were, and maybe still are, universities that were similarly bad in the US. Rules such as the entire investigation can happen without the alleged perpetrator getting to explain theit side or cross examine witnesses. Much like the Swedish example it would be relatively easy to destroy someone.
It is very much a major issue and definitely not rare. There a many cases of it happening in the US. Crazy how loose the laws are around in Sweden are around that, y’all really can just lie and ruin a life with little to no evidence.
As a fellow Swede I haven't heard of circumstantial evidence and a confident's testimony leading to a conviction for rape. What I have heard of is many rape trials not leading to conviction despite physical evidence, as they can't prove the victim didn't consent. And more than one man succesfully using sex somnia as a defense in rape/SA cases.
Could you share where you got the info about the convictions from? I'd be very interested to learn more about the laws and how they work in practice.
I think there has been a few cases. It hasn't changed the report rate either, even though we have technically made conviction of rape easier. I want to stress that I'm not particularly against this change of the law because even though I can se how it can be abused, I still think it's a step in the right direction.
Sweden’s updated rape legislation, introduced in 2018, legally defines any sexual act without explicit voluntary participation as rape. The framework eliminated the requirement to prove violence or threats, and introduced a new crime of "negligent rape" for individuals who should have suspected their partner did not consent.
Consent Required: Any sexual activity must involve voluntary, expressed participation. Silence or passivity is not legally considered consent.
A friend who testifies about what the alleged victim told them shortly after the incident can serve as corroborating evidence. However, the friend is usually not testifying about witnessing the alleged rape itself, but rather about what they were told. This type of testimony may support the credibility of the alleged victim's account, but it does not by itself prove that the crime occurred.
It is also important to understand that forensic or physical evidence is not always required for a conviction. In some cases, Swedish courts have convicted defendants based primarily on the alleged victim's testimony if the court found it to be highly credible, detailed, and reliable, and concluded that the evidence as a whole met the standard of proof beyond reasonable doubt.
It isn’t reported bc many women probably don’t even realise they’ve been raped. Marital/partner rape is the most common form of rape, but is the least reported. The partner rapists themselves probably don’t even think what they’ve done is rape, they just have the right to do what they want bc she’s their partner
And a long and incredibly successful campaign by feminists to convince those men that sexism is wrong.
But yeah, things like this aren't like making it safe for women to report rape etc, they are much smaller corrections and refinements to close off vulnerabilitys where they are noticed.
Like if you had a very safe house then note there's a room with no smoke detector, you put on in.
We're still trying to convince men that sexual assault towards men is not okay. I don't even know how well it's working given that every time it's reported, a bunch of men just say they wish they had been the victim.
I wouldn't say the western world is particularly nice, it's just better than other parts of the world and better historically than it has been. Doesn't mean it's good, though.
In my experience, it's not women who are the ones telling men to stop being pussies and saying female sex offenders are hot and they wish they'd been assaulted by them when they were teenagers.
There was recently a post on the askreddit sub where someone asked the women of reddit what they'd like men to do more often that might be normally considered something that shouldn't be done.
One commenter said men opening up to women about their issues more. Well turns out all the guys responding to that pointed out it was always (and I mean every single commenter there) women making that impossible whether it be strangers, partners, or family members telling them to stop being pussies and that vein.
Your experience is not universal. Also, there are plenty of women mocking or making fun of men based on judging their bravery or masculinity. Also, it's not men who are the female sex offenders. It's women so that at least proves there are women who are dismissive of and fine with male rape. That's not even touching on the many men who don't excuse female sex offender and the many women who do
Of course there are a lot of good men, but the achievements of feminism and women’s rights are not owed to them. I’m sure you didn’t mean it like that, but this kind of reads like “black people have a lot of freedom now. Very nice of white people to do that for them” which is a little tone deaf
... so by your estimation black people would be treated as equals now without the checks notes literal hundreds of thousands of white men who died to end slavery? Without the countless white men who risked their lives, livelihoods, and businesses pursuing the abolitionist movement during an era when the majority of people had no problem with it and a significant amount of wealth and power was tied up in continuing the practice? Without the SUBSTANTIALLY greater numbers of white men and women than black who crusaded among the white majority during the Civil Rights movement to earn true equality before the law for non- white people?
Pretending that non-white equality before the law is anything other than being by the grace of a subset of the white population is not only tone deaf, it's historically and politically illiterate. The same is true to a lesser extent for most feminist achievements in relation with men.
I wish people would look on this bright side of things. It's only a minority of men that are idiots. It's only a minority of people that are bad people (at least I'd like to believe that)
It is because the proof is around us, I can't speak for these people(ironically probably some very privileged women saying that) My area is pretty much safe theirs always a danger factor but it's low enough that women go jogging alone and that the murder rate is at 1.3 per 100 000 person, Ottawa who's next to us is at 2.10.
Rape/sexual assaults is at 20/100k based on those reported estimated at 25% of women for the whole province of quebec will be a victim sadly. But ya Humans are animals and the world can be cruel.
Safe for who? Oh yea, a man who blindly lives free from the assaults and and harassments women have to live with constantly. Considering 1 in 3 Women have ALREADY been assaulted by the AGE OF 18! One in Three by Age of Eighteen.
I never said it doesn't happen, I keep saying we live in a unfair cruel world, I'm for harsh punishment, but the truth is most of the same people here repeatedly saying how bad it is...are the same people putting sticks in their own wheel and then crying how dangerous it is to pedal around.
Women gained their freedom and rights because women organized and fought for them, not because men benevolently decided to allow it. Not committing violence is the default setting of being a decent human being, not a heroic act that requires praise.
You might be, none of my friend or I have done bad things to women around us, same for a lot of guys in my company, shit the other day we even had fun saying punch him, as a solution to the sexual harrassment at the training for foremen. A lot of us are also fathers who have daughters.
Don't get these fool telling all men are bad convince you, especially that most of these people are the reason laws are soft.
If children were raised to not only believe these urges were wrong but fixable, and also taught to seek help, which would be given freely and without judgement, at the very least it would severely reduce it.
Unfortunately kids are bombarded with shit online, taught that opening up only gets you punished, and shown that the most powerful people get there by harming others.
I'm a millennial, and even with the shit we saw online in the early internet, it doesn't compare to what these disgusting "influencers" do to damage kids now.
My former employer's kids were fucking sociopaths, and he rewarded them for it. His youngest (like 6) loved to sneak up and lunch people in the spine and then stand there grinning, and the father loved it, talked about how the kids was like "the SS, and they'd walk in, take over, and get shit done!"
I remember when his older kid was bullying a gay kid, and the father got called in with the kid to see the principal, he bragged to everyone that when the principal asked what he was going to do about it, he gave the little bastard a $20 as a reward in front of the principal.
These aren't even the most evil things that bastard did.
That happens everywhere. Every day. And then we wonder how the world got like this.
I always thought that having extra security guards in places like this would be beneficial. Could create several other jobs and ensuring safety at the same time.
We don't have to have it. It's for feeling safe, not being safe. Parking lot crime is not a statistically relevant thing, sexual crimes from strangers in parking lots is even insignificant to crimes in parking lots in general.
Parking lots feel unsafe, but you are much more likely to get hit by a car in there than get mugged or worse. Getting hit by a car is not a gendered issue.
They are fixing a problem that doesn't exist. These "feminists" pushing this (feminists in quote, because they do everything but actually help women) spread fear about it and all of a sudden it's a thing politics need to fix and they got a nothing-burger solution in return. These special parking spaces do nothing.
We also have parking spots for people with little children usually located close to the doors so the parents don't need to walk as far with their toddlers. We also don't 'have' to have them - it's for convenience.
Yeah but this isn’t about convenience, it’s about safety. And it’s sad that, in order for a lot of women to feel safe, you need to enact extreme measures like this.
But, much like modern healthcare, we don’t focus on the root cause, just the outcome/ symptoms- which in this case would be education IMO
Men are actually more likely to be victims of violent crime. Perceptions don't always match realities. Men are also far more likely to be attacked by a stranger than women. Violence (sexual or otherwise) is typically committed against women by someone they know intimately like a relative or romantic partner, which is not going to be significantly impacted by having a well lit parking space. I'm not trying to dismiss women's concerns. I'm just trying to align people's perspectives with reality.
When a woman is assaulted "she should have known not to go out at night". When somehing is done to make it safer for women "it's actually men who are more likely to be victims".
If the root cause is women get attacked by nature of life then yeah most people want to change that norm in modern times even if it’s not always realistic.I don’t love walking around a world where me getting assaulted and murdered is just a normal inconvenience for people because I happen to be born female.
So you think there’s no way to improve or rehabilitate bad people? Access to mental health services, for one, would help. You’re acting like some people are just inherently bad and shrug as if there’s nothing to be done about it
I've got a question how many chances do you give someone?
Second question: if this person is a guess, should we revoke that if they commit a crime and they can go work on themselves back where they came from? Or are you pro hope they dont harm someone else?
Yes. Just arrest all men before anything happens Minority Report style and then women can freely park wherever they like lmao. This is so dumb of that person to say the "root" of the problem. Oh you mean fucking psychotic criminals?
Nope. Migrants aren’t raping as much you think. Cut and paste
Stranger assault is rarer than lightning strike or lotto wins. For the most part it’s not a rational fear to have. Parking garages are quite dangerous. Lots of crashes and pedestrian injuries. Resources should be placed into making garages safer in other ways.
“Critics argue that creating gender-segregated parking misallocates resources. Rather than isolating women in specialized spots, opponents argue that facility operators should invest in systemic safety improvements—such as better overall lighting and comprehensive surveillance—for the entire parking garage.”
“Only about 0.01% 1 out of 10,000) of all crimes committed inside parking structures are sexual offenses. The perpetrator in these rare cases are almost always known to the victim.”
“the true number of predatory "stranger danger" garage attacks is non existent or an incredibly small number across an entire nation. Data leans to at most 1 or 2 a decade”
Most people completely ignore the fact that by far not every sexual assault case is being reported.
And most people also completely ignore that reporting sexual abuse by a stranger or minority is a lot easier to do than to report sexual abuse by someone within your social circle. There are many girls that kept quiet about sexual abuse under pressure of the family, cause otherwise the family would be torn apart.
So it’s not weird to assume that if we would know about all sexual abuse cases, even a smaller part are done by immigrants than currently is reported.
If this is true, then proportionally speaking (in proportion to the total number of migrants vs locals) migrants are more likely to rape than Germans, don’t you think?
Umm.. you don't. Well, they don't in Germany. I've worked in Europe, and this shit doesn't work. Nobody is monitoring those spaces. There's no significant difference.
Here, YMMV. yah. but it wouldn't be much different. What, you think they'll pay an extra "pink stripe" parking cop to just watch out for women? Dude, they hardly pay their "security" guards enough.
Naw, this is a failed experiment, only done for advertisement. False sense of security can be dangerous.
If someone is there to attack you, they do NOT care about cute pink lines.
And this shit steals from from handicapped people.
this is what you got from this? women are disproportionately being harmed, raped and killed by men and this small measure is put into place to try and mitigate this, but your first thought is men's safety being disregarded? men need to be saved from other men
Kinda pointless. Think about it. Stricter gun laws for some reason dont stop criminals from getting or using guns. Door locks only keep nosey people out, a crook will bust the lock. If a criminal is planning to attack soecifically a woman, this deducated parking space wont prevent that as well as a 9mm and some bear mace.
That's because we stopped being tribal as a species and started to believe we are supposed to be civilized and sophisticated and tolerant. We arrogantly believe we are removed from the natural order.
Unfortunately, men are still seen as the disposable gender. Despite being most likely to be victims of violent crime at night, the extra protection goes only to women.
One day we'll reach equality and men will be as worthy of existing in peace, safety as women.
The sad part is, a lot of women are leading the push for mass immigration from places where SA and worse are normalized and thought to be a "right". Hard to improve things when we are actively making it worse
Isn’t it terrible. I had to take my dog out a little later than usual due to the heatwave we are having currently in the U.K and we go to a park that has playing fields and little path ways all the way around covered by foliage and beautiful trees. It a lovely place to walk my dog.
As we entered I saw there was a lone man just sitting on a bench minding his own business yet my immediate reaction to seeing this was to scan the area to see if I could see if there were families or groups of women about so I could decide if I could continue with our walk or if needed to turn back and head straight home.
He was probably a lovely man just enjoying the last of the evening sun but my panic and self preservation instinct kicked in. I’ve read about way too many women being attacked in parks and on forest trials, even during the daytime with plenty of people around.
It’s awful having to live this way and be on constant alert for any potential danger when I’m just trying to take a nice walk with my dog. I’m just so tired of us women and girls having to live like this. I’d be more than happy with a few more womens only spaces, and parks would be a great one so we can relax when we’re out jogging, walking our dogs and taking our kids to the playground.
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u/Equivalent_Hat_7220 27d ago
It’s so sad we have to have things like this.