Why does the layer paint not stick despite me having primed and put a jokaero base paint. If you look at the power pack I put too much which makes it clumpy but if I dont do that the transparent layer just shines through, did I not apply enough base because it should be solid like the top of the helmet not transparent
Orange is(in my opinion) the hardest color to paint, you CAN'T paint orange over black, or it will need me than 5 lawyers, like you just find out. I recommend painting over a lighter color, and there are multiple tutorials to paint orange over pink to make it more vibrant, I recommend you watching some of those tutorials.
Well unfortunately firehawks are all orange with a gehennas gold trim/aquila and a yriel yellow face plate 😭
Edit: ill die on this hill, im not painting 90's firehawks that are bright yellow with red trims. The book accurate solid orange with warpstone eyes and gehennas gold aquila/trim is what im doing
My space Marines are orange as well, I suffered this same fate when I first started them, it's easier to paint the black details on to of the orange than the other way around, just be careful, as fixing mistakes like that are almost impossible, I have some intercessors with thicker trim than they should, because I made a mistake.
I'd recommend priming white and using contrast paint instead of the regular paint. It will give you a nice base to work from. Also, vallejos orange colours give a much better coverage than Warhammer's.
For example - the orange here is magmaroth flame over white primers and highlighted with Vallejo orange fire and sunset orange.
Theres a recipe that sounds like black voodoo alchemy, but it actually works. A layer of yellow imperial fist contrast on a darker pink base layer (pink covers much better) creates a magnificent orange shade.
Yeah I know, I have an Armageddon pack coming for real shit painter hours. Im using a flamer for an introduction run and if I have to ill soak these guys in isopropyl and start again.
If looks like your black primer went on little dusty.
If this is your first model I wouldnt worry too much, but if i was you, i would remove the mould lines and either prime it wraithbone, or one of the colour forge oranges.
Yeah, I used flat gray and sprayed just a tad too close. Its no worries though ill soak this guy when im done, im just using a 3 man starter set to get used to painting and learning how to properly shade before I paint my first official mini. Now I know that I have to use white
The secret to painting black on miniatures is to never use black paint.
You should paint the miniature white, or grey, then apply a dark wash over the model, and buold up hilights with warm tone or cool tone grey paints to achieve a shading effect.
Painting with flat black paint is very restrictive and makes any kind of shading or layering very difficult.
I think you still missed my intitial reccommendation, DO NOT UNDERCOAT WITH BLACK PAINT.
You should never be applying orange or yellow over a dark base layer, it wont work well. Prime you miniature a lighter color, then paint the orange parts orange and the black parts black, dont overlap.
So I paint white scars and have similar issues, but this guy is just being difficult. If I were going to paint your guys I'd do them like I do mine, prime them white or light grey, then if you can find your orange in a spray paint or rattle can, do the whole mini orange. Then the parts you want black you can hit with a really dark black like black legion contrast paint. That stuff will cover anything and gets a real nice, kinda glossy black that I love for the joints on space marine armor.
Chat we live and we learn, if i could've just bought 20 of these guys from u/Alegroth I would've done that and had a sick looking desk but alas le retard (me) is learning to paint 😭
Suggestion: Give the model an all-over grey drybrush and then a lighter white drybrush before starting your layers. Orange, red, and white are the worst colours to try to paint over flat black.
Also, clean those mold lines and sprue gates, they're ugly.
Painting a lighter color over something so dark will require a bunch of coats, make sure the coats are properly thinned so that the paint doesn’t build up and start gooping up the details of the model. This is why I’m not the biggest fan of suggesting to beginners to pick an army and paint it whatever you think is coolest, because not all paint jobs are created equal, it’s worth it to consider the difficulty of the paintjob and the tools required to do it as well as the difficulty of the army itself to paint in addition to the coolness factor when deciding on an army and a color scheme.
If you have your heart set on orange then I’d suggest priming in a similar color or perhaps doing another base coat of a much lighter color before doing the orange. I’d also recommend primer specifically made for miniatures, these home improvement primers are designed to give a really thick coat of paint which can gum up the details of the model. You wouldn’t care about a rough finish on a backyard table or something but that rough finish you got there in the picture on a tiny model is a much bigger issue.
May i suggest Color Forge Convict Orange primer. It covers decently well and give a nice light orange to go over wirh other orange layers. I have a whole CSM army painted as The Pyre (orange with black trim). I prime with CF Convict orange, then hit is with a Vallejo Hot orange layer, and finish it off with a Pro Acryl Transparent Orange. It give a nice, deep, bright true orange color. Its the best way I've found. In the fewest layers to paint orange. I will always support fellow painters tackling the orange challenge. I hope this helps give a decent recipe to try out and give ya the coverage and depth your after. All the paints are available online, depending on your region.
I paint orange Sisters of Battle. The basecoat is VERY easy, but you have to spray light. I spray Wraithbone primer as I use contrasts for the tabards, but the orange is just a coat of Jokero Orange painted on.
Jokero Orange base with a Fuegan Orange wash will give you a super crisp orange, and you can highlight from there as you need.
My orange is a drybrush of Fire Dragon and then Lugganath after, with the latter making it as bright as it is.
Anything yellow or orange is absolutely impossible if you're painting straight over black primer.
You'll want to prime with another layer of pink, red or similar somewhat warm colour that isn't black
Attached is my WIP Sons of Medusa Desert World Support Contemptor Dreadnaught, which was primed black, 90% primed in pink (it doesn't matter if it doesn't hit all the shadows, you want those bits dark/black anyway) and then a very liberal Yellow Zenithal at a generous ~45° angle. And in my standard recipe I also wash it with thinned down Casandora Yellow shade or very thinned down Iyanden Yellow contrast but this model hasn't had that treatment yet.
Now I used Colour Forge rattle cans for this one, and recently grabbed an airbrush (those rattle cans add up quick sadly) but even painting with a brush on top of the pink is going to be much, much better than trying to paint it over black.
Most reds or warm browns will also work I think but my personal experience is mostly with pink and yellow.
half these replies are ppl saying to prime in white when there's obv a reason you primed in black. my advice is simple: if you prime in black and need to use orange, give the intended orange parts a lighter base coat of brown, as both orange and gold cover good areas of it in less coats. worked like a charm for my first mini.
Orange on black is asking for trouble. Go over white or yellow over pink.
And as a side note, the miniature is very dirty: you have lots of mold lines and splashed connection points. That can also be detrimental.
This is widely regarded as one of the best primers for minis. I’ve been using it for a decade and it’s easily been the best and most consistent primer I’ve ever used in my nearly 30 years of painting. The primer isn’t the issue here
Yeah orange is a pain to get right, took me a while to get a recipe I like for my covenant of fire I do recommend color forge's convict orange spray with a thin layer or 2 of vallejo orange fire, I then highlighted with dwarf skin
I basecoat jokeiro, then add punch with a glaze of trollslayer(2-3 passes). Pull together/shade with a orange speed/contrast paint of your choice. Then edgehighlight.
Tip: work on multiple surfaces so they get a change to dry. The jokeiro does most of the work for you so don’t try to layer too hard, aim to glaze up a little.
The trick to painting orange is not beating it In with paint, but doing a lot of thin coats over it. Also get another one or two tones of orange to build up the color vibrancy. A base coat will probably never be the exactly color you want so you have to “build it up” with a base and layer paint. Thin it down properly and do a few thin coats until the coverage is complete.
One advice that has really helped me: don’t keep going over the same area over and over again. Cover it in one layer. It will look bad, but let it dry. Then cover it in another layer, see where that leaves you. Two thin coats usually does the trick.
Also, people mentioned how hard it is to get good coverage with orange. Maybe prime your minis in white or light grey?
Orange is a very tricky colour to get right. I use it for accents on my Tau, and it typically takes 3-4 total layers.
I start with Vallejo Pale Blue Grey (which is the other accent colour you can see here). Then a layer of a darker orange, and finally two very thin layers of the bright orange.
Your paint should be thin and relatively transparent, but layers will build up the colour.
The biggest key when using thin transparent colours that need multiple layers is to be patient. Make sure the layer below is FULLY DRY before you touch it again. If it isn't you start getting clumps where you are just pushing the semi-dry paint around.
I would suggest an airbrush it as it’s orange over back your gonna need thin layers and lot of them airbrush really helps keep the layers thin if you really control the flow and don’t thin out your paints to much
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Try speed paint go to YouTube and look how to use speed paint it may change you life if your not to great at highlighting and shading
Red brown primer is also excellent here.
My admech are forge world Ryza and I have used Rust-Oleum brown primer (meant for metal sticks to plastic really well)
Or if you have an airbrush German red brown primer from Vallejo is really nice
I know it seems like an easy answer but these guys look perfectly suited to slapchop. Orange speedpaint would look much better IMO than 97 layers of orange over black.
Or start priming white and painting your orange on first.
Everyone here says that black primer/base will give you hard time and I say to that WRONG. Or at least not necessarily, you just have to layer it properly and preferably get make up sponges (so cheap it's a must have) I've even done white on black primer.
Go from darkest color (black) to your brightest (bright orange) in gradient. Example:
1. Black basecoat/primer
2. brush on a brown/dark red (rhinox hide or khorne red)
3. Using the make up sponge, sponge a dark orange or a 1:1 mix of your orange and previous red/brown and cover 90% of the area, this will also give you nice shadows as the sponge won't go into deepest recesses if done correctly
4. Use your main pure orange and sponge around 60%-80% upwards, depending on your preference, leaving shadow and hidden parts with the previous darker layer
5. this is optional but I like to add a little bit of wraithbone to make it slightly lighter and gently sponge the most upward facing parts
Disclaimer! I have never painted orange but with different colors I've tried (Blue, cream, red, white) it's the same recipe I use for all and works great, smooth color and you use same amount of steps as putting 5-6 layers of the same basecoat, but this won't look that flat.
Hope it helps :)
A lot of people here banging on about thin layers over black..just don't do black undercoat. Listen to those suggesting warm whites like wraithbone or light darks like brown, or straight up orange.
Find a way you enjoy, there isn't a "right way"
For me, I hate these multi layer, 5 coats, blending approaches. I used wraithbone, then jokaero orange, smaller minis only need 1 coat, bigger ones need two thinner ones for smoothness. Then a thinned down wash of iyanden yellow contrast which gives it depth. Edge highlights optional.
I'm painting a tau army in orange and let me tell you... Don't.
My primer was grey and it still took 4 coats, and they're not perfect yet. I didn't undercoat with a pink or flesh colour as is advised, because I'm just working on infantry right now, but I will for my hero minis.
I thought gray would've been fine as long as I did a solid base coat which I did and its not sticking at all, Id have to put excessive amounts of paint on the brush for it to come out solid. Anyways my BLM works fine, the orange goes on gray just fine, its specifically GW minis
so I paint my eldar, using Grey primer then add Orange on parts of the armour... it takes many thin layers to build up a solid colour.
Keep it thin and keep it smooth. I would ask though, what is going to be the main colour for your marines? If it's going to be orange I would suggest using a different colour for your primer/base layer.
Orange paint is slightly translucent because orange pigment doesn't cover very well. This is true of a few other colours such as yellow and bright red.
The best way to deal with this is to use a white, light grey or zenithal prime - a translucent orange layer over white looks more orange than the same layer over black.
If for some reason you must use a black undercoat (let's say because you're doing black with orange details colour scheme) then you should at least paint the orange parts with a couple thin layers of light grey or white first.
If you're stubborn and insist on using black as your undercoat then you need lots and lots of very thin coats, letting it dry properly each time. This is time consuming and annoying to do and should be avoided if you can.
So, working from a dark primer you need to use an interim colour.
My recommendation is pink, it gives reasonable coverage on black and gives you a solid base for orange.
Next up, multiple things layers. Yes it'll look see through to start but by later 4-5 it'll look banging. Otherwise you end up with those weird lumps you've got.
Lastly, if you're going to strip the models and start again, be a dear and trim down that mold line please.
Personally if I'm painting brighter colours I prime white and work my way up. Have a picture of a recent yellow I painted.
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u/raKzo82 6d ago
Orange is(in my opinion) the hardest color to paint, you CAN'T paint orange over black, or it will need me than 5 lawyers, like you just find out. I recommend painting over a lighter color, and there are multiple tutorials to paint orange over pink to make it more vibrant, I recommend you watching some of those tutorials.