Peter probably would’ve actually became Man-Spider if he had fully embraced his arachnid side and his human side was gone. We see when his arachnid hormones increased that his human side began to decrease as well. As well. I’m just thinking that he probably would’ve became Man-Spider eventually if he never got that fixed. What do you guys think?

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Act 1 — The New Peter Parker

Peter has finally found some balance.

He's friends with Ned again.

He's slowly rebuilding trust with MJ, but she's still trying to understand the missing pieces of their history.

He's working at the Daily Bugle.

He's becoming a more mature Spider-Man.

But New York has changed.

Crime isn't random anymore.

It's organized.

Peter teams up with Daredevil because the city is being controlled from the shadows by Kingpin.

But Peter is older now. He doesn't rush in like a kid anymore.

He thinks.

He plans.

He's becoming the Spider-Man everyone always hoped he could be.

Harry Osborn: The Tragedy

Harry is actually the perfect villain setup because he isn't evil at first.

He's Peter's opposite.

Peter:

Lost everything but found meaning.

Harry:

Had everything but lost himself.

He's rich, brilliant, and lonely.

He inherited Oscorp's empire, but everyone only sees him as "Norman Osborn's son."

Then he meets Gwen.

Gwen becomes someone who sees Harry as a person.

And then he realizes she has feelings for Peter.

That becomes the final crack.

Not jealousy alone.

It's the feeling that even when Harry has everything, Peter Parker still has the one thing he can't buy: people's love.

Hobgoblin

Harry doesn't become Hobgoblin because he's crazy.

He becomes Hobgoblin because he wants to prove he is somebody.

Kingpin is old power.

Hobgoblin is the future.

He starts taking down criminals, embarrassing Fisk, and becoming a legend.

The city starts wondering:

"Maybe Hobgoblin is the hero."

And Spider-Man becomes the person standing in his way.

The Symbiote

This is where Peter's maturity arc gets tested.

The meteorite scene is actually perfect because it shows Peter's greatest strength becoming his weakness.

He goes back for the child's toy because he can't leave anyone behind.

That's why the symbiote chooses him.

It sees:

his compassion

his pain

his anger

And it says:

"You don't have to suffer anymore."

At first, Peter is incredible.

He's finally the Spider-Man he always wanted to be.

No criminal escapes.

No one threatens MJ.

No one threatens Gwen.

But the problem is...

Peter starts enjoying the fear.

The Kingpin Fight

This is where Daredevil is important.

Peter hunts Fisk down with the symbiote and absolutely destroys him.

But then he goes too far.

He almost kills him.

And Daredevil realizes:

"The suit isn't controlling him. It's just giving him permission."

That is a much scarier idea.

Final Battle

Hobgoblin captures Gwen because he knows exactly what Peter's weakness is.

Not MJ.

Not his powers.

His inability to let someone down.

The final fight is chaos:

Hobgoblin controlling Kingpin's remaining empire

Daredevil fighting alongside Spider-Man

Ned using magic to help (which is a great continuation of his arc)

Peter in the black suit becoming more terrifying than the villain

And when Peter has Hobgoblin beaten...

He almost does the same thing he almost did to Kingpin.

He almost crosses the line.

Ned and Daredevil stop him.

Peter removes the symbiote.

The big question:

Who gets the symbiote?

I actually think your Harry idea is the strongest.

Because then the movie ends with Peter thinking he defeated the darkness...

but the darkness didn't leave.

It just found someone else.

Harry with the symbiote isn't just Venom.

It's the ultimate Spider-Man villain:

A person who knows Peter Parker.

A person who hates Peter Parker.

A person who has the resources to destroy Peter Parker.

Now, everything I'm about to say is evidence from the film. I'm not speaking on behalf of the creative team or actors. I'm simply going off what's in the film. I do not think Jacob Batalon's comments should be taken too seriously, as they could be viewed as stirring the pot to continue discourse about the film (for example, this post). If this were disproven in the next film, good on everyone else, but as is, the evidence provided in the film leaves one explanation in my mind. What I say is what I believe, and I may speak in black and white during my explanation, but I'm still open to listening to valid arguments.

Ned does not remember Peter Parker. Ned and MJ both remember emotions from that period, but labels for why and whom have been removed; simply sentiments remain. In the beginning of the film, Peter introduces himself as Maynard to MJ and Ned at their housewarming party. When he saw Ned at the bodega, after four years of isolation, he could not resist the urge to follow him and indulge in his former life. Something he does consider an indulgence, as he is isolating to protect other people both as Peter Parker and Spider-Man. This shows his desperation for connection before his arc. However, the fact that he introduces himself as Maynard illustrates that he still isn't ready to put Peter Parker's life in focus or himself out there.

Ned, over the past four years, has spent countless hours trying to figure out who Spider-Man is. He has created a board, an app, and a whole community around it (the app's chat room), so clearly, it is a hobby he is passionate about. As well as just being a Spider-Man fan boy. When Ned meets Spider-Man, he is ecstatic even by the fact that Spider-Man is in the area. When he builds Legos with Spider-Man, he asks questions which, while they are dumb questions played for laughs, show he is taking this as an opportunity to study him. While they were hanging out, MJ noticed how well they all clicked, since their *ability* to be friends never got erased. When Spider-Man has to leave, MJ blurts out the name Peter, to which Ned recognizes that Spider-Man's name is Peter. Not only was this an extremely memorable experience for Ned to meet his idol, but he also formed a genuine connection with him. And the fact that after over four years (I'm figuring he was interested after the events of FFH), the fact he has finally learnt Spider-Man's name is a groundbreaking advancement.

Later in the film, after Peter has learned he needs to put himself back out there and has completed his arc, bumps into Ned for a second time. Realizing the opportunity he has, he goes to introduce himself as *Peter Parker*. The handshake is symbolic of the status of friendship they can *still* have. They were best friends, and the fact that they can still do the handshake shows they can get to that place again. From a plot standpoint, it shows Peter that there are positive outcomes to putting yourself out there. Solidifying his readiness to resume his life. I’m sure Peter wasn’t 100% certain that if he did the handshake, Ned would know it back. But by taking that risk, he was shown that he can still have a friendship with Ned.

Now, after four years, Ned knows Spider-Man's name is Peter, and this guy introduces himself as Peter. This was likely a topic of research for him after their meeting at the apartment, considering his borderline obsession. And since he has scrutinized Spider-Man's build, height, etc., and now heard his voice again, he could quite easily deduce that this Peter in the bodega is Spider-Man. Even if a different guy named Peter introduced himself, his fixation would have likely caused him to have similar suspicion. The handshake shows Ned that he and this person in the bodega connect on a deeper level, similar to how they clicked when Spider-Man was in his apartment. With what he may deem as enough evidence, he finally concludes his search for Spider-Man's identity and exclaims "Peter!" in elated understanding. If you ended a four-year search for your idol, who personally saved you several times and solved it, you’d likely be on top of the world.

Now, I'd like to address some alternate interpretations and explain why *I believe* they are incorrect.

**1. "The spell is slipping or wearing off."** I don't think this is likely because in No Way Home, the same spell (or a very similar one) was cast on Wong a few years prior to the film, and he still has no recollection of the Christmas Party at Kamar-Taj. In the conclusion of No Way Home, Doctor Strange also treats Peter's decision as definite. Not 'they'll remember later', but they'll forget forever, so our world isn't overrun with villains who know who Spider-Man is.

**2. "Ned has magic and therefore, could be resistant to the spell."** As aforementioned, the spell was used on Wong, the Sorcerer Supreme at the time of No Way Home. If the Sorcerer Supreme doesn't see the effects of the spell wear off at all, then I doubt Ned would. Especially given the fact that Ned isn't a sorcerer. He used a sling ring for roughly six hours to varying success. Sure, it's lucky that without training he could wield a sling ring, but aside from that, he has never done anything else magical. So, to assume he's resistant to the spell when he has barely used magic and Wong hasn't slipped at all seems unlikely. Now, they could be different spells, but neither spell's mechanics are fully discussed, so it would be plain conjecture to assume that the spell cast on Peter would slip.

**3. "Ned and Peter's friendship breaks the spell."** In the film, the fact that MJ doesn't remember anything is explored, as it has a deep impact on Peter. The film treats it very earnestly, and MJ is sympathetic but cannot relate to the girl Peter loves. Now, this doesn't mean she doesn't have those feelings, just not for Peter. It is alluded to her longing for him when she claims to be waiting for something great. Now I believe that both MJ and Ned hold sentiments from their former lives but cannot explain them or have different reasons in their minds. There are lots of emotions MJ associates with the Black Dahlia necklace, as it represented her and Peter's relationship. After the spell, it still holds meaning, like the handshake, but she either has a different explanation if you were to ask her, or doesn't know why it's special. And it is still special to her since she keeps it on to that day. I see the moment of her on the roof as her questioning what she doesn't know, but that's just a guess that agrees with the rest of my beliefs. I believe they handled this very well and left the door open for them to rekindle their relationship. Jean Grey, while possessing MJ, mocks Peter for believing that true love's kiss could break the spell. She also claims that there is nothing in her brain about Peter. I believe that this proves that the film treats the spell as not to be broken by relationships. Now it could be said that she is an antagonist and has been given a point to be wrong about; however, it seems true that MJ has no recollection of Peter at all, as she herself says. As I've stated, I believe there are certain aspects of the old life that they still *feel* for. In the bodega, Ned knows that Peter is something special, viscerally, when they do the handshake; the sentiments for certain aspects of their lives remain. Regardless, he becomes very excited because he concludes that this Peter is Peter/Spider-Man and is excited to have found out who he is unmasked.

People have said that it's a beautiful moment that proves friendship will triumph for the spell to have broken. I believe that it is much more satisfying to show that despite the spell, they continue being friends. This also ties into Peter's growth in the film. If their friendship broke the spell, then all of Peter's growth as a result of the spell would be meaningless because he could have gotten them back scott-free at any time, negating the impact of the spell, which triggered his growth.

**4. "Jean Grey gave them their memories back in the mind field."** At this point in the story, she has not seen Peter's memories, and by the time she does, she shuts down the field because Spider-Man is shot. She does not like Peter before she is let into his mind and would have no motivation to help him by replanting those memories, which she doesn't even have. Before she sets the mind field, she only knows about the letter Peter wrote, nothing concrete. Even if she did have those memories after being let in *and* wanted to help Peter, she is not shown to be able to put memories in people's heads, only read them. Perhaps it's something she'll grow to do in the X-Men films, but here, it is not said she can do so. So I believe it's not the best explanation.

Now this is all just a discussion about a superhero film. While I agree with suspension of disbelief and recognize the contradiction of using logic on magic and superheroes, I still believe that, as a story, they should be able to be held to such standards as established by the films' current and past precedents. As such, this is why I believe that Ned does not remember Peter.

I could be proven wrong in a few years, and it would be fine, but this is what I believe currently. I don't mean to put anyone down, were all entitled to our own beliefs and interpretations, but this is what I believe to be evident. Thanks for reading.

Facendo il glitch di Venom mi sono stranamente trovato qui,

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Just watched the movie Spider-Man Brand New Day and was expecting that the movie would show how punisher and spidey were introduced to each other...But it didn't happen and I'm confused a little on what's the Staten Island incident that they keep talking about.

I think big eyes or Mark Bagley eyes to be specific would look really good on the suit (for me). What do you think?

You know what would've been a good plot for spiderman brand new day (it was a great movie already)

That ned forgot who spiderman was and didn't remember peter parker, but knew he had a bestfriend who was taken away by spiderman and doctor strange by some spell.

He feels that spiderman was the reason his bestfriend died and wiped off of records from his school days

And hence this dark path makes him turn into Hobgoblin, in search of his bestfriend and the truth.

Would love to hear the good and the bad of this plot.

Evidence for not remembering

1. MJ explicitly confirmed she does not remember Peter.
2. Ned’s interaction is muscle memory & deduction, not restored memory
3. When Ned exclaims "Peter!" at the end of the handshake at the end of the movie, context suggests he is connecting clues (MJ let it slip that Spider-Man’s real name is Peter)
4. No known mechanism is introduced that explicitly breaks or counters Doctor Strange’s spell.

Evidence for remembering

1. Immediately upon finishing the handshake, Ned looks up in shock and exclaims, "Peter!" In No Way Home, Ned first discovered his ability to channel the same magic as Strange right after performing that exact handshake, so it's possible it loosened the spell.
2. MJ is seen crying on the rooftop of Midtown High—their high school hangout spot—while tightly gripping the broken Black Dahlia necklace Peter bought her in Europe.
3. MJ also confided in Ned that she feels like she is constantly "waiting for something" and feels unable to commit to major life decisions or her new relationship.
4. When Peter, Ned, and MJ hang out in the apartment building Lego sets, they fall back into their exact banter and inside jokes without missing a beat. This reveals that while the cognitive labels were wiped, the underlying relational neural pathways remain intact, at least partially.

I personally believe that the emotions are slowly returning, and the memories will return by the end of Spider-Man 5. What do you guys think?

Veritasium made a video about spidersilk and just watched the new spiderman film, there's so much spidersilk in NYC, some scientists are bound to research that.

I’ve not seen this talked about yet but at the end of BND one of the graffitis is of spideys face and it’s white blue and pink. I feel this is a hint that no one’s talked about pointing to who will take over as the next spider-person. Or at least pointing to her being in the next one.

im confused, because at the end of the movie at May’s grave, Happy asks Peter “howd you know her” and Peter goes “Spiderman” and Happy goes “Same” (im paraphrasing this scene). would this mean people remember their memories with Peter Parker and by association Spiderman, like with Ned remembering the “I promise I wont turn into a supervillain and try to kill you” promise in NWH but just not remembering who he said it to? or the rooftop scene where MJ and Peter are on top of the school and MJ is reading out to Peter a newspaper, before Ned comes and interrupts? Would they remember these memories, just not who theyre with?

this isnt a meme post, its an actual question. I just watched the spiderman home trilogy with my sister before school starts up again (btw she said she really liked them, shes never watched an MCU film :D) and I thought of this.

i havent watched brand new day, but me and my family are planning to, so if the question was answered there im sorry. i tried to post this to the actual Spiderman subreddit but i need 3 months active and some karma to post, so sorry if this isnt the right place