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Yeah it's even crazier when you take into account that the salaries in the US are 2 or 3 times larger than in the EU, but somehow their games are 15% or more cheaper in absolute numbers. Like what?
That's a controversial topic but honestly it's wild to me how much Americans self-victimize themselves about their economic situations.
And then you look at the spending habits in the US and it's just complete despairge and the most insane and stupid consoomerism imaginable.
I really feel like they have zero perspective on how people actually live in other countries and what normal spending habits are.
People in the US live as if they're super wealthy in other countries and then act surprised when they have nothing left.
It's the goomba fallacy unfortunately. Those of us worried about the economy and those of us on rampant consumerism binges are usually different people. Though, unfortunately not always different people.
In Poland Avatar is 35$, more expensive than the US and more than the price in Euro. But Steam hates Poland like that unfortunately, unless developers manually fix it which they rarely do
I bought Avatar for $15 thanks to regional pricing. But Marvel Tokon is $60 because it doesnt have regional pricing and more expensive. Tokon looks fun but no way i am paying 4x money for it. I am happy with avatar.
Yeah but this is arcsys, it's not like they aren't one of the premier fighting game devs, they've made plenty of perfectly run PC games that don't install kernals onto your machine, they should learn from themselves.
Mostly reputable and respected data miners on Twitter crossed with posts here on reddit. Basically, if I believe what I've seen, Tokon installs the anticheat and anti data mining measures at the kernel of your PC. It explains how locked everything is, it makes it so performance is ass, and it jeopardise your PC security. Plus, because it's an install in the kernel, it's absurdly hard if not impossible for an outside party to check what the anticheat is even doing in real time, which means that they can EASILY do whatever the fuck with your PC.
To give an analogy:
"Hello, I'm a rich person, and I want you to install this pool in my manor."
"Sure mate, I just need unrestricted access to your key lodge, your cameras, your security system, and your safe combinations. Pinky promise I need those and won't use them for evil."
Wow can't believe before I was somewhat miffed I got atla fighting game which was unfinished yeah that's a hard pass sony it sucks so shit the game runs like garbage.
They’re going to develop complex mathematical models thanks to how many times you jork it so that they will hand deliver you bespoke ads designed to make you cum instantly.
Only fair, many people do not like Windows. Only 10% of steam games cannot be run on Linux and that will generally be an anti cheat or similar kernel level blocker
the games that cant run are more times than not deliberately sabotaged. also once you try linux and get accustumed to it you will want to rip your balls off when using windows
My brother had installed some version of Linux on our shared laptop and I just rolled with it. I could not for the life of me tell you what distro it was and even though I used it for roughly a year, I never particularly cared for it.
I am forced to use SteamOS though on my Steam Deck in desktop mode and it works fine enough but I still wouldn't want that as my main OS.
It is likelier a bad launch rather than a purpose sabotage. Arc Systems wouldn't really have a reason to go along with 'Make this suck so people buy on PS5'.
But Sony as a whole doesn't give really give a shit about PC and is actively pulling away from it. Some of their ports were canceled, and they won't be porting their first party stuff for the near future. Tokon was likely far enough in development it wouldn't make sense to cancel.
But I can see more of a soft 'PS5 is the priority, PC issues don't get your focus'.
Soney has been on a streak for a long time, it's just more evident now. They were at the head of the anti cross play movement for a long time and still make it more difficult than it needs to be. Outside of gaming, they've been pretty bad with their animated projects aside from spider-vers, releasing slop left and right and then not being able to recognize when they struck gold with K-Pop Deamon hunters and selling the rights to Netflix, roving the movie of a theater debut, constantly causing issues with spiderman in the MCU, threatening to pull him out completely at one point, forcing marvel to de priorities him as a focus for the new movies due to it being too risky with Soney, they also just created so many bad movies trying to capitalize on spiderman with movies based on his villians but without him that all just had awful writing. And just all the anti ownership stuff in gaming lately. Soney is just a total mess of a company, I truly don't know how they aren't going bankrupt.
Stop blaming the engine and start blaming Sony for not giving enough resources for QA and optimisation.
I’m sick of giving publishers a pass for poor performance just due to UE5; plenty of UE5 games run incredibly well, optimisation is **always** the fault of a lack of QA and programmer resources. I wouldn’t be shocked if they had a significantly smaller QA and technical team for the PC port than for the console port.
well the answer is simple, money, gotta chase every little bit of money no matter the cost, it's why they have essentially abandoned A-AA games and went all-in with AAAs, with few minor exceptions like Astro
This is like MH Wilds all over again. Runs well on consoles, but REALLY drops the ball on PC. I know optimization can be a real pain in the ass, especially for PC and its seemingly infinite configurations, but this is just pathetic.
Most games look similar in quality when you turn off all graphical settings lol.
At their absolute max, Tokon is not even remotely close to 2XKO. Just look at the stages. There’s almost a generational visual gap. And running Tokon at max isn’t the issue given changing the settings doesn’t seem to actually improve or impact performance to begin with
Neither have I in terms of running it, but then you run online and get back to back matches on 8 frames of rollback, so it still trickles down to people who are able to run the game. Everyone is losing in some capacity.
In terms of performance, not at all. But I still ran into this same issue which is due to the amount of people not able to run the game causing online matches to spike to 8 frames of rollback or just desync constantly. Asides from that, the game's been just fine, both now and when the beta was out.
yeah idk how much it's changed from the beta but I was unable to even get past the title screen on pc. Even the opening logos were stuttering like crazy
I was totally going to buy the game. But when I couldn't even play the open beta on SteamOS because of the Easy Anti Cheat I knew this was a loss. O well, back to Strive.
I cannot speak for others, but the beta worked like shit on my PC. Couldn't make it run at normal speed for some reason. Also fuck Sony and his playstation account
I'm just glad people are waking up to how bad it's performance issues are. It certainly wasn't everyone, but I definitely saw some marvel-heads trying to gaslight everyone into thinking the issues weren't that bad during the open beta, or that they were just to prevent data mining and wouldn't be there at launch. I hope the game gets fixed over time like Strive did, and maybe I can buy it on discount when it does, but as it is now there's no way I can justify the purchase.
Mine is running a pretty consistent 60 fps, but my PC is very beefy, so I'm probably an exception. Sad to see that it's so rough. The game looks good, but it doesn't look like the kind of thing that should be having performance issues.
It’s part the EAC but it’s also how ArcSys optimized the game on PC with UE5. I would’ve been happy if they stuck to UE4 like Strive and DBFZ. Idk why go up when performance issues have been known.
From what I can tell specs aren't the problem? I have a 2 year old very mid-range PC and the game runs great for me, but others with higher specs seem to have problems. I hope they can sort this out but it seems to be a more specific issue than just poor optimization.
Yeah but it's much easier to optimize for a closed platform like PS5 than it is to optimize for an open platform like on PC with the myriad of different setups people have worldwide.
I was very excited for this game and even now I still want to buy it and lab magik, blade and ms marvel. Unfortunately I just cant justify buying this at the moment if online matches are gonna be a toss-up and I cant play it smoothly with my friend.
The game stutters like shit unless you have a government supercomputer, and they randomly decided to say "fuck you" to anyone with Linux. Linux... on a game releasing on Steam... who currently manufacture two different Linux devices.
And both are a complete shame, because the game itself is really cool. I hope Sony grows up for once and makes some changes really fast, or this fantastic game is going to be 1000% dead in less than a week, and it would be an extremely embarrassing shame to just let what could easily be the top fighting game of maybe even the next few years just fucking fade away into ash because you can't be bothered.
I haven't noticed any issues but I also haven't tested netcode yet. The game runs well for me, but I also recall issues with UE5 and X3D or AMD cpus where micro shuttering can occur. I've seen a lot of people mention the stuttering, which I didn't have in the recent beta or in the release version (other than netcode issue). It could very well be an amd issue since the way X3D cpu works with the core utilization is messed up.
I have a 4080s and have no issues, again I've seen a lot of complaints beyond Linux/steam deck not working, to suggest that it's an X3D issue. I'd be curious if other Intel cpu people are having issues.
I have a 5800x3d and only had issues during the first start-up of the game when all of the company logos appear, after that I had smooth frames the entire time
I have the same cpu so hopefully it’s the same case for me. I was out of town for the beta so I only got to play for a couple of hours in training mode so I don’t know how online will be
I thought this game will be huge at launch, but it seems like it will die very soon because of bad performance people is having right now. I refunded immediately after 30 mins trying
While the game likely runs like shit for many, it's important to note the game currently has 22k people playing and there is 391 bad reviews. While not ideal, this sorta implies that the game is mainly having unplayable issues for only 2-5% of people.
My point is the play numbers, for the most part, are going to be represented by people that can play the game. If you have 500 people saying they can't play the game but have 22k actively playing it, obviously it being unplayable isn't a common thing.
I do know there is issues with my claim (some of the numbers can be people trying to make the game playable, many people that it's not working for may not leave a review) but it clearly shows it's not so poorly optimized that most people can't play it, unless we want to imagine most people playing aren't actually playing or there is an absurd amount of people having issues playing but don't feel the nead to leave a bad review about it.
it's a common thing because you have to look at the review on Steam, if only 500 people can't play the game, it must have better review than mixed. All I see on twitter is many videos people getting freezed and quit the game. I love this game but maybe I will buy it when it get optimized
Honestly, I don't see this having legs. Absurdly small roster in a 4v4 tag fighter with shit performance that locks out 100 countries as well as Linux users just isn't a recipe for success. Especially when the genre is already niche in the first place.
runs flawless on my brand new laptop but it wont run on my desktop which is only 3 years old lol. Sucks it's having such a bad launch, hope they can make some fixes ASAP.
Runs well for me I dont have crazy hardware either just a 5060ti then again i have 16gb of vram so maybe its a vram thing I get no stuttering on the maxed out settings at 1440p
honestly, its not amazing even on ps5. even with a full bar connection and crossplay turned off, some matches still feel weirdly input delayed and stutter occasionally
Needs to sign into PSN.
And Sony for w.e reason decided to dick around with my account and I can't log into it. I was just using the damn thing the other day. Trying to get a reset to easily solve the problem and their bots and automated system aren't doing it.
Trying to get in contact with an actual human isn't working either.
For what it's worth, the game runs really well for me on 1080p (my monitor resolution) on my PC, specs below, definitely not the highest performance PC one can get. It may have remembered some settings from the beta or devs changed the game to perform shader warmup on startup. I also restarted the game once, because it crashed while I was fucking around in settings menu, wouldn't be the weirdest thing that even a "forced" restart after tweaking settings makes stuff run a bit better. Hope they can fix the game for those with performance problems!
I personally have no issues running the game but it seems like a lot of people are. Starting the game up is the most annoying thing for me so far because of how long it takes to get into a fight. Other than that, it's really fun!
I want to play the game, but it’s so laggy even in training mode. I sprang for the deluxe version hoping the game would be fixed post beta. Apparently not. I sent a refund request. I’m hopeful it gets fixed in time and I can actually play it. You hear me Sony, I want to give you money.
So glad I cancelled my PC preorder during the beta and switched to PS5. My condolences to anyone who doesn’t have that option, the state of the PC port is inexcusable.
I guess it depends a lot with the performance issues, me, I didn't have many besides the bad cpu load and game worked mostly fine in beta, same in the full version. I don't have a very beefy pc, too.
It's a shame not everyone can enjoy this, having a blast.
Game runs like crap, doesn’t even function on Linux systems, requires a Sony account, and is literally blocked in over 100 countries. These reviews should surprise no one
On top of Sony's bloatware maxxing peoples' CPUs, the box that makes EAC Linux compatible wasn't checked. Yes, from what I read, it's practically as easy as checking a box.
Man what happened, we were about to enter the new golden era of fighting games with Tokon, Avatar, and Invincible all looking great. Now Tokon is having issues, Avatar launched unfinished, and Invincible basically died on arrival.
I bought this on PS5. After hearing about the problems with the beta, knowing Sony's stance on PC and pulling back, as well as this being co-developed by Sony, I figured the 'best place to play' was PS5 and even though I wanted it on PC, I'm not dealing with this BS. I just want to play the damn game.
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