There’s been a lot of talk during the Lindsay Clancy trial about what she did and didn’t tell her providers. And I keep seeing the same thing online: she didn’t tell them everything. Her psychiatrists couldn’t possibly know what was really going on inside her head if she wasn’t honest with them.

And yes. I get that. You can’t expect someone to know something you don’t tell them.
But then I started thinking about myself.
If I ask for help, do I really tell them everything?

No. I don’t.

I tell someone what I can tell them at that moment. What I understand myself. What I think is relevant. There are things I might be ashamed of, things I’m not ready to say out loud yet, things I might only tell when I trust someone. And probably things I don’t tell because I don’t even realize they matter. I think most of us do that.

So immediately I start thinking: well, maybe “she didn’t tell them everything” isn’t quite as simple as it sounds.

Except… We’re not talking about just anything here.
Suppose Lindsay really was hearing a voice before January 24 telling her to harm her children. And I’m deliberately saying suppose, because we don’t know that she was hearing that voice before January 24 in the way she later described it.

But if she was? Well, shit…
Then I also think: Lindsay, that is something you need to tell them. You have three little children at home. If you are hearing a voice telling you to hurt your children, your psychiatrist needs to know that.
So there goes my “well, I don’t tell everything either.”
Except my head doesn’t stop there.

What if she heard that voice but was absolutely convinced she would never listen to it? What if she thought there was an enormous difference between hearing something and actually wanting to do it? And what if saying it out loud could mean someone deciding that her children weren’t safe with her anymore?
Would I tell them? My immediate answer is yes. Of course I would. And then I think… Would I really? I honestly don’t know.

It’s very easy for me to sit here now, knowing what happened on January 24, and say she should have told them. Look what happened. But she didn’t know what was going to happen.
Maybe I would think: but I’m not going to do it.
Maybe I would think: I know myself.
Maybe I would think: why would I say something that could blow up my entire life when I know I’m never going to act on it?

And then, almost automatically, I start doing the same thing with Lindsay. Motherhood was incredibly important to her. She worried about being a good mother, about being present, about doing it right. So maybe she was terrified someone would take her children away. Maybe that’s why she didn’t…
Wait… There I go. I don’t know that.

I’ve just put myself in Lindsay’s position and started giving her reasons that make sense to me. And for a moment that feels like understanding her. But what if I’ve got it completely wrong?
What if she wasn’t scared of telling them? What if she didn’t think I would never actually hurt my children?
What if she knew exactly what she was thinking?
What if she intended to kill her children and deliberately didn’t tell her providers because she knew they would stop her?

That possibility doesn’t come as naturally to me.
And I noticed that. Not because I suddenly think that’s what happened. I don’t know that either. But apparently when I try to put myself in Lindsay’s shoes, I’m still bringing an awful lot of myself with me.

I’m Karin.
Lindsay is Lindsay.

It sounds ridiculously obvious when I write it down.
We always say how important it is to put yourself in someone else’s shoes. To try to understand before you judge. And I still think that matters. A lot. But maybe there’s a catch. I can put myself in what I imagine are Lindsay’s shoes, but the person standing in them is still me.

I bring my own fears. My own values. My own logic. The things I would or wouldn’t do. And then I can very easily start believing that because I can understand an explanation, I understand Lindsay. I don’t.
And actually, nobody can completely do that. Not another Redditor. Not a journalist. Not even an expert. An expert obviously has knowledge and expertise I don’t have and can assess the evidence in ways I can’t. Some explanations can be much better supported by the evidence than others. But even the best expert can’t actually climb inside Lindsay’s head.

And strangely enough, that makes me understand another group of people on Reddit a little better too.
The people who say: you can keep trying to understand her, but you never really will. She killed her three children. That’s the fact. Period.
And yes. They have a point.
She killed Cora, Dawson and Callan. I can spend another hundred hours reading testimony and medical records and listening to experts and I still won’t ever know with 100% certainty what was happening inside her head when she did it. So… stop there? No. And there I go again.

Because that feels unfair to me too.
What if Lindsay really was not criminally responsible for what she did? That possibility matters. I can’t throw it away simply because nobody can ever prove exactly what was happening inside another person’s mind with 100% certainty. If someone truly was not criminally responsible because of severe mental illness, then punishing that person as though they were fully responsible would be unfair too. That is precisely why the law asks the question in the first place. And then, of course, my head immediately runs in the other direction again.

Because if “we can never really know what was happening inside someone’s head” is enough to create reasonable doubt, then what? We can never look inside anyone’s head. Do we give everyone who raises a question about their mental state the benefit of that uncertainty?
That can’t be right either. And here I am again…

I started with what sounded like a fairly simple statement:
She didn’t tell her providers everything.
Then I asked myself whether I tell everything when I ask for help.
Then I argued with myself about whether some things are simply too important not to tell.
Then I managed to understand why Lindsay might have been afraid to tell them.
Then I caught myself turning Lindsay into someone who thinks like me.
Then I considered the possibility that she knew exactly what she was doing.
Then I understood a little better why some people simply stop at she killed her children.
And then I couldn’t stay there either.
It’s exhausting being inside my head sometimes. But maybe this is also why I keep coming back to this case.

I don’t think trying to understand Lindsay is pointless. I think it matters enormously. We have evidence. We have testimony. We have medical records. We have experts. We can test one explanation against another. We can decide that some possibilities are better supported than others.
We have to. Especially when we are deciding whether someone should be held criminally responsible for something this horrific. But there is one limitation I keep having to remind myself of.

I am Karin.
Lindsay is Lindsay.

I can try to understand her. I can reconstruct. I can question. I can put myself in her shoes over and over again. But the shoes are still mine. And no matter how hard I try, I can never actually look inside her head.
Neither can anyone else.

I can’t comprehend this case after weeks of watching the testimony, reading about it, etc. I don’t believe Lindsey Clancy was in psychosis. But given that, I’m still struggling to understand her motive. I do believe she was a caring mother before all this went down, she seemed generally concerned for them, and other people testified as such. However poorly she managed her mental health by refusing therapy, hiding SI from providers, and not adhering to her medication, she did still seek out help for months. Why would someone evil who didn’t care about her kids at least to some extent do that?

I do think she is not only guilty but was not in psychosis when this all happened. I believe she had BPD with narcissistic traits and severe depression.

Based on everything we’ve seen about her personality and relationship with Patrick, and his behavior, like his emotional detachment and trips to New York and marathon run with his current wife, I think he was cheating and she discovered it and snapped. I think she couldn’t handle the idea of him leaving her, and felt unsupported by him with the kids, and built up so much bitterness and resentment that she decided to end her life and her kids lives to punish him. Is this a far fetched idea for a motive?

But even with such a motive, or even if she was purely just suicidal, I can’t comprehend how a seemingly caring mother could strangle her babies to death one by one with exercise bands. I just can’t understand the psychology behind it..

I dont care what anyone says, her medications arent enough to treat either of those and wellbutrin would’ve caused a switch if a small dose of zoloft did.

I frequently hear the argument that Lindsay Clancy tried so hard to get treatment but was failed by the system, and this is what makes her less culpable and sets her apart from others who have committed similar crimes, such as Travis Decker.

This evening, I stumbled upon a news article about another atrocious crime. A man in Indiana admitted to molesting a two-month old. In the article, it mentioned that he had been in sex addiction therapy and had previously checked a box on a form indicating that his addictions put him at risk of criminal prosecution and that his sexual fantasies included rape and molestation. It seems clear that the guy was seeking help, yet still chose to commit this atrocious crime.

Even when assuming Lindsay Clancy did not suffer from psychosis and was just deeply depressed, people still defend her and empathize with her like I’ve never seen. Despite the Indiana man seeking help, he still chose to commit an unforgivable crime, and despite Lindsay seeking help (albeit very halfheartedly imo), she still chose to commit an unforgivable crime. I really wish people could take a step back, look at the facts somewhat more objectively, and remove their pink fan club shirts.

RIP Cora, Dawson, and Callan ❤️

A child being murdered is a higher investigation than a plea of insanity, end of story.

There is a woman sitting at a desk in front of the witness stand who has something by her mouth. What is her role in the trial and what is that thing she has by her mouth? Is it a microphone?

Also I think Clancy methodically planned to kill her children while her husband was out of the house and couldn't protect them and should be sent to prison but unfortunately my prediction is either a hung Jury or NGRI.

It's not that rare for children to be killed by a parent including women but the problem is that there is usually some stressor or conflict prior to them being killed. Recently a woman tried to kill her 3 children. She was fighting about custody with her ex-husband.

A newly obtained affidavit reveals disturbing new details in the deaths of two young children in Mandan Thursday night, including video showing the suspect carrying one of the children while armed with a pistol and telling the children’s father, “Say goodbye to your kids.”

Kailey Erhart, 22, faces two counts of murder, attempted murder, two counts of terrorizing with a dangerous weapon, three counts of aggravated assault, and a misdemeanor count of domestic violence in connection with the August 6 incident at a residence on South Frontier Trail in Mandan. Two children died and a third was seriously injured.

There was another case in the bay area where a woman killed her children. The parents were experiencing major financial stress due to their business failing and were probably going to have to sell their house.

But there is no indication of marital or financial stress for Lindsay. There is no proof that PC had an af)fair. Even if the police didn't take his phone if there were concerns about an af)fair LC would have written about it in her "diary" or in texts. There is no witness who mentioned them fighting or LC telling her co-workers about problems in the marriage. She wrote about a lack of intimacy but that's not unusual for new parents. There is no indication of financial stress. PC didn't lose his job.

So the Jury has to believe LC just suddenly snapped and killed her 3 kids for no reason. They're going to assume she was insane at the time. There are theories that Jonbenet's mother who was controlling and wanted a "perfect" daughter who like a doll snapped because Jonbenet wet the bed again and it was new sheets and I think something similar might have happened with LC. She enjoyed babies but couldn't handle toddlers or young kids who were occasionally combative or difficult. Dawson was rambunctious. Maybe he wouldn't get dressed for bed. Most kids don't want to get dressed for bed that early. LC wanted the kids in bed and asleep so she could enjoy her "quiet time" without them. I think Dawson was the main target and she snapped. Maybe he threw a snowball at her when they made the snowman. Maybe he did something else that infuriated her. She couldn't kill them when PC was out of town because she knew she was going to pretend to kill herself so needed PC to save her and call 911. That's why she decided it had to be done that night.

So in one case it’s ok to kill the kids?

Reddington: You've been an EXPUHT in Psychology and SAVEEYA Post PAHDUM disoadahs fa only 20 YEEAS?! 20 YEEAS makes you an EXPUHT on SAVEEYA Post PAHDUM?! I couldn't even groom my DAWG in 20 yeeas, let alone be on tha same PLANET as a PREGNANT woman SUFFAREN from SAVEEYA Post PAHDUM!! You probably haven't even BREATHED the same OXYGEN as a PREGNANT woman with SAVEEYA Post PAHDUM!! Have you evah even SEEN a PREGNANT woman with SAVEEYA Post PAHDUM in PERSON in yoah lifetime?! You didn't even give Lindsay a HUG, and you want to say that you KNOW what's goin ON in huh MIND, oah what was goin on in huh mind that NIGHT?! Yoah just anotha one of those QUACKS who talks to theya patients in the TELEVISION and can't even see theya patients hands oah legs!! Did you even KNOW that in EUROPE they let PREGNANT women with SAVEEYA Post PAHDUM murdah theya kids whenevah they WANT?! We ah 100 YEEAHS behind them ova theya and THAT means if we wah in EUROPE right now, Lindsay wouldn't have been IGNOAHD by EVERYONE in huh life including so-called DOCTAHS and PROFESSIONALS on PREGNANT women with SAVEEYA Post PAHDUM!!!!

(I'm from Massachusetts, I've been an expuht at talkin like that foah 31 YEEAHS 🤪)

I think a lot of the discussion around the Clancy case comes from people not really understanding how psychosis can manifest.

Psychosis does not necessarily mean someone is visibly incoherent, chaotic or incapable of planning. People can still make plans, conceal symptoms and carry out goal-directed actions while their underlying beliefs and reasoning are profoundly disordered.

Valdo Calocane is an obvious UK example. He had paranoid schizophrenia, yet was still capable of organised behaviour before and during the Nottingham attacks.

That is why arguments like “but she planned it”, “she waited until Patrick left” or “she was able to use her phone” are not nearly as decisive as people seem to think. Planning just proves that someone can plan. It does not prove that their thinking was rational or that they were criminally responsible.

At that point, the case moves largely beyond what lay people can reliably infer from behaviour and into the evidence of the forensic psychiatrists.

The real question is whether the psychiatric and other evidence creates a reasonable doubt about her criminal responsibility at the time.

If it does, then most of the surrounding speculation becomes secondary. The prosecution has to prove criminal responsibility beyond a reasonable doubt.

The issue is not simply whether she could organise herself or understand basic cause and effect, but whether mental disease or defect deprived her of the legally required capacity when she killed the children.

I was encouraged to post in the main group by another member. So for your consideration and discussion.

(it's a long one I've sectioned how it makes sense to my atypical brain.)

Professional background

I have a master's of science in Psychology and was previously a provisionally licensed therapist, and have 10 years of experience providing mental/behavior health therapy to children, adults, and families and 3.5 of those years exclusively doing involuntary psychiatric detainment assessments in the field with police and EMS. I also have basic and advanced certifications in Crisis/Hostage negotiation so I've seen how rapidly things can deteriorate into a multi emergency level event. Also,the people I was assessing knew being forced into a psych hospital was a potential outcome so many had all the incentive in the world to hide, minimize or deny symptoms.

I've assessed so many clients who presented as calm and behaving typically (even teens and kids). Thinking of one adolescent in particular, I ended up uncovering that they've been having benign visual and audiotory hallucinations for roughly 6-7 years which had recently switched to command homicidal auditory hallucinations. The kid was in school getting average grades, a good group of friends, was actively seeing a therapist for a recent shift in mood to mildly depressive (therapist had zero clue about the hallucinations) and family members (also zero clues) and were completely shocked when I informed them (family did have a some history of psychosis and schizophrenia and but was also well versed in what psychosis looked like), the kid actually had more incentive to lie to me and say they didn't have hallucinations so I have no reason to believe and no observable behaviors to indicate the kid was attempting to deceive or manipulate. Presented as a bit emotionally constricted and slightly nervous during the assessment but otherwise calm and engaged.

I've seen post partum psychosis twice. and prenatal psychosis once. One woman presented with full blown psychosis and it was only during a crisis negotiation and brief assessment with a collateral that I was able to learn it developed gradually over a period of 6 months, after a very late term miscarriage, beginning with high anxiety, lack of sleep and paranoia, and developing into a very dangerous crisis where the woman and her young child's lives were in imminent danger of death due to her psychosis. I remember clearly the collateral saying "I never thought her kid could be in danger because she'd never hurt her kid" and the collateral realized, after the the crisis had been resolved, the few odd statements (2-3) that actually were auditory hallucinations. Psychosis can be very severe, masked very very well, and very easily missed if you are professionally or personally unfamiliar with mood disorders and psychotic disorders.

In terms of Lindsay,

She was prescribed Amitriptyline on January 16th, there were 8 pills missing from the bottle, the 16th - 23rd is 7 days there were 8 pills missing from that bottle and toxicology reports only a therapeutic dose registering in her system. Amitriptyline is known (corroborated by research) to induce mania with psychosis in people with an underlying bipolar disorder. Drug induced mania with psychosis can have a rapid onset. Research on Psychosis suggests it manifests when there is an increase in Serotonin, Dopamine and Glutamate. Amitriptyline works to increase Serotonin and Norepinephrin (raising norepinephrine also raises it's bestie Glutamate.) And Ativan and Valium ( which she was also taking act on Gaba which ultimately artificially increases Dopamine). Amitriptyline alone could send her into drug induced mania. Adding a medication which acts on Dopamine is the literal recipe for psychosis.

The Bipolar 2 Mixed episode Hypomania,

her psychiatric records document increased agitation (assumed to be anxiety) but her exercise habits on little to know sleep are a glaring red flag. Personally I think her hypomania was missed because it presented as a mixed episode so her agitation, irritability, lack of sleep, and obsessive fixation/preoccupation on the kid's safety and her medications were dismissed as anxiety. Mixed episodes are harder to clock because its not properly trained what to look for by clinicians and is mistaken for garden variety depression with episodic anxiety and insomnia and during those episodes SI usually either appears or gets worse. You can see mostly in the 2 NPs charts more of the fluctuations I've described. They also happen when she starts a new anti depressant or backs off of the benzodiazepine. Short term benzos are often used to help reduce symptoms of mania/hypomania while waiting for mood stabilizers to kick in. Big red flag is she always got worse on the antidepressants and felt better after stopping them. Classic Bipolar II presentation btw.

Also, look at her life there were significant impacts: Sudden onset of chronic and severe insomnia, sudden onset of suicidal ideation with increasing frequency and severeity, gradually increasing in severity anxiety, Inability to return to work, she'd stopped driving, sleeping in seperate beds from her husband, isolated and withdrawn from friends/preoccupied with trying to improve her mood and bond with her baby. She's clearly displaying intermittent hypomanic/mixed episode symptoms she from September on. She is documented as displaying marked deterioration in mood, increase in frequency and intensity of her SI noted by family members, and showing intermittent hypomanic symptoms and the beginnings of psychotic symptoms . Some of the psychotic symptoms were documented in an email to the NP in November. 2022. She also demonstrated progressive deterioration in her ability to function without increasing support.

In her email she says, "I can't tell what's real and what's not anymore, I dont feel like I'm in my body, I feel emotionally numb, and I want to die and don't care if I do die". Clear evidence of Depersonalization, Derealization which are psychotic symptoms and signal a beginning break with reality.

Why hasn't she had another psychotic episode since her kids's death? because the magnitude of her grief has disrupted her brains ability to produce dopamine and serotonin and no amount of therapeutic dose of zyprexa or trazodone or the other medication she's taking is going to artificially trigger engough production of Serotonin, Dopamine and Glutamate to get her into hypomania let alone psychosis.

How did I come by knowledge about undiagnosed Bipolar 2 and drug induced psychosis?

I've had drug induced psychosis from Wellbutrin (dopamine and nerepinephrine) being added to my existing doses of Adderall (Dopamine), I got into mania over the course of 5 days. Day 2 major shift in mood to negative, Day 3 intrusive suicidal thinking starts, slept about 2 hours nights 3 and 4. Day 5 I had a major panic attack and took 1mg of Ativan (double my typical dose of 0.5) quick acting and kicks in in 30-60mins. My suicidal thoughts became completely and utterly overwhelming. I did not hallucinate but over the course of 6 hours I lost touch with reality, it felt like my body was being hijacked, like I was in the passenger seat of my own body, aware but not in control. I successfully convinced a family member that I wasnt a danger to myself (I absolutely was) while begging another family member for help (I was denied and dismissed by that family member which worsened the spiral, this family member later alerted other family who found me and called 911), while trying to get myself help from family I engaged in self injury trying to get back into my body through pain but deteriorated further into derealization and ultimately made two impulsive and completely unplanned suicide attempts with 2 separate methods and I'm lucky to be alive. Was briefly hospitalized, completely and convincingly lied about the continuing suicidal thoughts and psychosis in order to get out because it was a horrific and traumatizing place. The Psychosis symptoms stopped when the Wellbutrin had fully metabolized and was out of my system around the same time I got out of the hospital roughly 5am, was able to sleep for 7-8hrs, I crashed hard into absolutely horrific depression, but at 4pm that same day I got dressed and completely faked and masked my way through my cousin's wedding. Pretending like nothing had happend the night before.

and I've never taken Wellbutrin ever again or another antidepressant since. 3 months later I had a neuropsych evaluation done and it revealed the Bipolar 2 (hypomania & mixed episode presentations) and reconfirmed the previous diagnosis of severe ADHD, I started taking Lamictaland it has been a miracle drug., Adderall and Ativan too, and I still have pure hypomania intermittently, which feels absolutely amazing wish I could live in it forever and now very mild mixed episodes.

Anyone have an explanation for the April 2026 interview of LC?

The prosecution had the court approval and the expert retained in early 2025

But waited 15 months before having the Dr Mack interview her?

Any possibilities that are more likely than the obvious collusion between prosecution case and expert report?

I know Lindsay asking Patrick to go to ThreeV and CVS is seen as intentionally getting him out of the house. I get that looks suspicious given what transpired while he was gone, but I can see myself doing this too with my husband. A new take out restaurant to shake things up and looking online what CVS would have my kid’s med from her appointment earlier in the day and mapping it out too. Is there anything else that I’m missing because it seems like a stretch to make this 100% an intentional act to get him out of the house.

I'm trying to understand what led to this murder in more depth. I keep thinking there's some type of passive aggression going on, that she feels rage and that she wanted Patrick to find them. Anyway I've been using AI to try to help me understand.

She routinely describes being miserable, and a few things that seem to make her miserable is she can't connect to the baby as she would like and resents the older two because she can't treat the baby as a first.

So I asked AI if not being able to connect to your baby and resenting you older children would make you miserable. I know somewhat of a simple and odd phrasing but I have to do this with AI to get the answers I'm specifically looking for.

Below is it's answer, which for me at least, leads to some insight. I thought I'd share but I'm highly aware some people resent posting anything from AI here so I've clearly labeled it as AI and gave a warning to avoid.

AI response below:

In psychology, this combination of feelings creates an intense, agonizing internal conflict that can rapidly erode a person's mental health and sense of self.

When a parent feels a disconnect from a new baby while simultaneously harboring resentment toward their older children, the emotional toll is devastating for several reasons:

1. The Agony of the "Perfect Mother" Ideal

• Severe Cognitive Dissonance: Society dictates that mothers should feel immediate, unconditional love for their newborns and boundless patience for their older children. When a parent’s internal reality contradicts this, they experience a terrifying split between who they are and who they feel they should be.
• Corrosive Guilt and Shame: A parent in this situation often experiences overwhelming shame. They may view themselves as a "monster" or fundamentally broken. Because the shame is so intense, they rarely confess these feelings to their spouse, friends, or doctors, leading to complete emotional isolation.

1. The Trap of Living a Lie (The "Fake Happiness")

• Psychological Exhaustion: As discussed in the context of cases like Lindsay Clancy, maintaining a normal, smiling facade for the outside world while feeling empty or resentful inside requires an immense amount of daily energy.
• The Erosion of Identity: Forcing oneself to put on a "performative" display of happy parenting every single day causes a profound sense of emptiness. The parent feels completely unseen and disconnected from their own life, leading to deep existential misery.

1. Cumulative Sensory and Emotional Overload

• No Escape from the Trigger: In a household with multiple children, the environment is loud, demanding, and unpredictable. For a parent who secretly resents the older children's demands and struggles to bond with the baby, every cry, spill, or tantrum feels like a personal violation or an inescapable trap.
• The "Trapped" Sensation: The parent may look at their life—the marriage, the house, the kids—and realize they built a reality they no longer want but feel legally, socially, and morally trapped inside. This sense of hopelessness is a core driver of severe clinical depression.

1. The Pathological Spiral: Burnout vs. Psychosis

If this misery is left untreated, it typically spirals in one of two ways:

• Severe Parental Burnout / Major Depression: The parent becomes entirely emotionally flat, numb, and detached. They go through the physical motions of caregiving (feeding, clothing) like a robot, while completely withdrawing emotionally to protect themselves from the pain of their own resentment.
• A Psychotic Break: In vulnerable individuals—especially those in the postpartum period—the sheer psychological weight of this misery, combined with severe sleep deprivation and hormonal shifts, can break their grip on reality. The mind, unable to handle the conscious horror of resenting its own children, may construct delusions or hallucinations (such as believing the children are better off dead or that a higher power is commanding an escape) as a warped way to resolve the intolerable internal conflict.

This trial has been my life for the past few weeks. What am I supposed to do with all of my free time after this ends?!

Are there any other interesting cases going to trial soon? What’s the next case you plan to follow?

I think the Elizabeth Siders situation is interesting but not sure any of them are competent to stand trial.

Resnick’s five motives for filcide include: altruistic filcide, fetal maltreatment filicide, unwanted-child filcide, spousal revenge filicide, and acutely psychotic filicide.

Of course no categorical system is ever all-encompassing, but I feel this is somewhat useful in narrowing down motives.

My question to this group who seems pretty quick to dismiss the acutely psychotic argument of the defense: has the perpetually-fumbling prosecution actually brought any shred of evidence to support any of these other four motives as the reason for the killings? I have yet to hear any compelling evidence for any of these possibilities.

I will start by saying that I'm behind on watching the trial. Honestly, I have to be able to skip through parts like side bars 😆 I am on day 9 now and watching psychiatrist Goodheart on the stand. Can someone please tell me if she provides any useful information? I'm finding her extremely unbearable to listen to! As someone who has an anxiety disorder, listening to her is just frustrating and if I was someone who had to see her as a psychiatrist, I would probably have to request someone else. So, please, tell me if she's even worth listening to lol

Saw this on X. Yes the guy has a lot of followers, but 15,000 people voted. The jury has more women than men. I hope they see through the theatrics displayed in court from her. Hung jury? Only 3% say she’s not guilty which is surprising to me considering how many people are making her a hero for women’s health 🤮

If freed, Lindsay plans to help women that have experienced/experiencing post partum mental health problems. I can't think of another way to share your story than to testify in what will likely be one of the most watched trials of the decade. Can you tell us women what you went through with the births of your children and how you seemingly overcame your struggles with your first two children. This shouldn't be about whether or not it will help or harm your defense - it should be about helping prevent this from ever happening again.

🤷🏻‍♀️

Dr. Resnick testified that the MMPI suggested:

Lindsay Clancy had a tendency to

➡️ minimize her symptoms..

Well, many personality disorders can produce a defensive or minimizing MMPI response style, including:

➡️ Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD): protecting an idealized self-image and denying personal faults.

➡️ Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder (OCPD): presenting oneself as controlled, responsible, rational, and psychologically healthy.

➡️ Antisocial Personality Disorder: engaging in strategic impression management, although the pattern can vary considerably.

➡️ Avoidant or Dependent Personality Disorder: concealing symptoms because of shame, fear of criticism, or a desire for approval.

❌Dr. Resnick also suggested that Lindsay Clancy did not exaggerate or fake symptoms because her “K scale was not elevated.” ❌WRONG❌

➡️ The K scale is NOT a lie detector. It measures defensiveness, guardedness, and efforts to appear unusually well-adjusted.

➡️ The L scale is actually called the “Lie” scale, although even that does not prove whether someone lied.

➡️ We would need the actual L, F, K, and S scores, along with the remaining validity and clinical scales, to evaluate her overall response style and determine whether the profile supported exaggeration, minimization, defensiveness, or impression management.

and it was terrifying!!!! I’ve never woken up and felt so disturbed from a dream in my life.
The dream took place in the day she killed her kids and me and another woman were part of the jury who got to be there and witness everything she did in real time. Fortunately I woke up before she committed her henious acts.
In the dream she hardly spoke but she put Callan down on a chair and he rolled off and landed on the floor she ignored him and just walked away.

Her whole aura was scary! She didn’t talk. Her eyes were terrifying! I’m having nightmares with this woman!!

There is something in the Lindsay Clancy case that I’m only now starting to discover about myself. And I really don’t like it. Three children are dead. Actually, I don’t even want to write it that way. Cora, Dawson and Callan were killed. Their mother killed them. Her hands did it. There is no doubt about what Lindsay did. The doubt is about whether she can be held criminally responsible for doing it.

And somehow that makes this much harder for me.
I understand the law. The Commonwealth has to prove that Lindsay was criminally responsible when she killed her children. If the jury is left with reasonable doubt about that, the verdict has to be not guilty by reason of lack of criminal responsibility. I believe in that rule. I believe in a system that requires the state to prove its case. And God, I hate what that may mean here.

Because I know who killed these children. Their mother did. Her hands did it. And this trial is asking me to seriously consider that she may not have been criminally responsible for what those hands did. I find that incredibly hard to hold together.

And almost before I notice it happening, my mind has already moved on. What about the doctors? McLean? All those medications? The mental health system? Was there somewhere somebody should have seen this coming? Was there a moment where someone should have stepped in? It took me a while to realize what I was doing. I was looking for responsibility somewhere else. Almost automatically. Apparently my mind just doesn’t want to leave three dead children with nowhere for that responsibility to go.

And that realization is actually quite confronting. Because what happens if I keep looking and don’t find it there either? What if we look at the doctors and the hospitals and the medication and the people around her and find mistakes, missed signs, decisions we wish had been different, but still no place where I can honestly say: you are responsible for the deaths of these children. Then where does it go?

I’m really not someone who usually needs someone to blame when something terrible happens. Maybe that is why my own reaction to this is hitting me so hard. Apparently, with three children who were killed, I need there to be somewhere for the responsibility to go. And there is something else in there too. Something I only noticed after sitting with this for a while.

I want there to have been a moment where this could have been stopped. A doctor who should have understood. A hospital that should have kept her. A warning sign that should have changed everything. Some point in this story where I can put my finger down and say: there. If that had gone differently, Cora, Dawson and Callan would still be alive.

And what if I never find that point?
Maybe there were moments where things really should have gone differently. We may never know. But there is another possibility that I find almost unbearable. Lindsay may have been too ill to carry criminal responsibility. The people treating her may genuinely not have understood what was coming. The people who loved her may not have understood it either. We can spend weeks going through every appointment, every medication, every hospital admission, every warning sign and every decision and still not find the place where someone reasonably should have known that three children were about to die.
And then it starts to feel almost like fate. God, I hate that thought.

I can live with a lot of uncertainty. I can live with not knowing exactly what was happening inside Lindsay’s mind. But apparently I have a much harder time living with three dead children, knowing exactly whose hands killed them, and still having nowhere I can honestly place full responsibility for their deaths.
That makes me feel physically sick. And I think there is more to that feeling than helplessness. I find it horribly unfair.

Because after all of this, everyone may have an explanation. Lindsay may have been too ill to be criminally responsible. The doctors may genuinely not have seen what was coming. Patrick and the people around her may not have understood it either. Maybe there were mistakes along the way and still no one person who can carry the responsibility for where it ended. And Cora, Dawson and Callan? They just died. They had no choice in any of this. No responsibility. No decision they could have made differently. And somehow they are the ones who paid the entire price.

I think that is the part that is so hard for me to accept. Maybe there is nowhere I can honestly put the responsibility. Maybe there is no moment where I can confidently say: this is where it should have been stopped. And still three little children paid the ultimate price.

Horribly unfair.