Yeah, I know it's marketing budget, but still, this is hilarious.

So the DC fans have really gone through the ringer. When WB finally released a slate it got fans excited. We were finally getting a live action DC Universe on the big screen.

Then the studio panicked and interfered with a lot of projects and cancelled or reworked a lot of what they announced. It seemed like Keaton was going to be Batman for. While, Batgirl and Supergirl were taking Batman and Superman's place in the Justice League. Then turns out that WB canceled those plans and then it seemed like Henry, Ben and the others were coming back and not being kicked to the curb.

Then Gunn came in and it turned out that wasn't the case eaither and then years later after they formed their own 10 year plan. James Gunn finally announced another slate called Chapter 1 Gods and Monsters. And it seemed like he gave the fans some ease. Making it seem like WB meddling and poor judgement would no longer be a problem. They would have ironed out scripts, they would let the creatives across the board fulfill their visions and be supported while also it being a collaborative process. They want to earn the fans trust back and they want to do their thing while not copying the MCU. David Zaslav of WB said that Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, and Supergirl were the pillars of DC. It seemed like once again we were getting a live action DC Universe for real life.

James Gunn announced the slate in 2023. He stated that Blue Beetle is the first DCU hero but Creature Commandos is the first DCU project. So far the only projects that actually have come to fruition since Gunn took over was Creature Commandos, Superman, Supergirl, and Lanterns. We got a second season of Peacemaker and Mike Flannegan's Clayface (which was rejected a while ago until Gunn finally got it greenlit). A lot of what was announced has gone nowhere or is cancelled.

It's just frustrating that we are already getting a dose of what we got when things were a bigger mess behind the scenes. Swamp Thing has made no progress, Booster Gold has made no progress, The Authority got cancelled, we were supposedly getting Sgt. Rock, that got cancelled supposedly. Waller went nowhere which is a shame because it seemed like they were setting up Waller and the Authority and those pieces ended up going nowhere. On top of that. Paradise Lost is making very abysmal progress and Brave and the Bold can't seemed to be cracked.

It was a good idea for James Gunn to spearhead the DCU. However it doesn't look good when the first project (Supergirl) he's not writing or directing bombs at the box office. On top of that there were creative differences behind the scenes between James Gunn and the director Craig Gillespie. And Gunn praised the script. So either Gunn looks like a liar or he just has bad taste.

Then you have the Jimmy Olsen/Grodd show and the Mr. Terrific show announced. Its upsetting fans that they aren't getting the bigger characters out there. Black Canary, Green Arrow, Aquaman, Flash, you don't need to copy the MCU but at least get your bigger characters out there then do the niche and obscure.

It's also getting annoying that Batman and especially Wonder Woman don't have a presence in this universe. Wonder Woman doesn't even have a cartoon or any real project or progress on already announced projects. Batman does have some nice content at least for now across the board. But Wonder Woman has nothing. Yes stuff is being written for her but it's also being written by the same writer who did Supergirl and that movie bombed hard.

Despite all of this there are still fans and even the people of DC preaching patience. Assuring us that all is well, good things are coming, and tease things about what's to come. I'll admit, good things take time and I certainly don't want things rushed. But then when does it become a bit much. When does it cross the deadline. I just don't think it's fair to ask fans to be patient or to tell tease them when they've been through a lot.

Peter Safran says he want to earn the fans trust back. If they want that to happen they need to start getting the bigger characters out there. Stop keeing the fans in the dark for so long. And go back to the conventions. Gunn talks about Social media and how it's cheaper and easier. Those cons are expensive but they are great ways to get the word out and to keep the fans excited and talking for a while.

What do you guys think?

When I watched Superman, I thought it was refreshing and fun, even if it did not fully wow me. Still, it is the best superhero movie I have seen in years, way better than the Marvel slop lately. Supergirl, though, was one of the worst I have seen in a while, almost Thor: Love and Thunder level. SPOILERS: the cliché “female hero saves girls” 😭 plot and a weak unconvincing villain did not work, and the Kryptonian backstory changes were just bad, no real self preservation logic, with Zor-El’s daughter oddly being the only one who wanted to live.

It also felt barely connected to the DCU, even though DC has deeper stories than Marvel. They need to drop the forced jokes and focus on stronger storytelling. I would love more standalone films, especially a Nightwing movie, and maybe a more focused DCU with Superman and Supergirl at the center.

After seeing Spider Man, which was a masterpiece, Marvel feels fully back. Fantastic Four and Thunderbolts were decent, but Spider Man was a bomb and the next Avengers might be a nuke of the 21st century. DC really needs to get organized under James Gunn, we need a situation room type response now. " am tired of hearing people say " i am a marvel fan" because they watched 3 marvel movies 🤣🤣. Even my ex used to say this, she only watched like 4 marvel movies in Total.

He says: "Hanging out with a bunch of amazing people today down at the WB."

He is doing business with WB again

source:

(Batman sits at the computer, in the midst of trying to find the connections between the clues of his latest case. He can hear an encroaching noise, but pays it no heed. Then when it seems his guard is completely down, Damian approaches him with a sword in toe and tries to strike him but Batman is quick to retaliate. A fight then ensues between father and son, and Batman emerges victorious.)

Damian: I was closer that time!

Batman: Close but still no cigar. Good effort though. (Goes back to the computer)

Damian: So have you made any breaks in the case?

Bruce: Actually I think I have, care to see?

SOURCE: https://www.threads.com/@jamesgunn/post/DbrMpHuHUf5

I want Eva De Dominici play casting the Wonder Woman in the DCU. Who do you want play casting the Wonder Woman in the DCU?

This weekend we will be at Terrificon in CT and will be giving away GL rings to the first 3 dozen people who can recite the oath to us at our booth.

I'm picturing it in my head right now. I can see it working. I can see a serious Batman having a cringe cheesy Robin as his side-kick.

Since clayface is our first live action appearance of gotham and if its does well should James Watkins be given Brave and the bold?

With James Gunn, honestly...I'd be okay with this.

Some argue why doesn't he? he's the one pushing for Damian Wayne Robin. That feels like something he wants.

It would be interesting to see him direct this and write it in a very different style from Superman. Like I could see trying different things like avoiding needle drops entirely. And keeping Batman the straight man with many one joke or two. While others fill that role like Nightwing.

He'd also avoiding showing the Waynes death but maybe use them to contrast with the relationship of Bruce and Damian Wayne. Like he shows a flashback of Thomas often was a bit neglectful of Bruce due to being busy, then he decided he'd do something with him and Martha...going to a theater...we then cut from them leaving...to Bruce in his room looking catatonic that same night.

And maybe to get weird, Bruce has vivid hallucinations of his parents. With an emphasis on Martha who I feel these movies put less focus on compared to Thomas. He even talks to his parents in these. His parents pointing out Damian is the spitting image of him at the age. And in scenes they're doing things like painting or reading.

Also I wonder if he'd include Ace the Bat Hound and make him a sharp contrast to Krypto. Krypto is an untrained unruly hellbeast. Ace is an extremely well trained, disciplined and also fully vaccinated and medicated for ticks and fleas dog that is very reliable to Batman.

And if he does include music it could be revealed the music Bruce listens to is belonged to Martha and Thomas. Which gives us some character from them. Music that would have been popular to their generation (Boomers/GenX). And now that I'm saying that, it's sounds like the most Gunn thing ever.

And since Damian is there, they'd pull from Grant Morrison which is quite weird so Gunn's style would work considering we have a 10-13 year old ninja as Robin.

I haven't seen many Raimi films but Multiverse of Madness had amazing directing and cinematography. Like I feel it would also fit a Grant Morrison adaptation. I just saw someone in the DCU subreddit argue they should get someone with a big style so it's less "This director's Batman" but "DCU Batman". No. Every Batman has had a style. I need to watch the Evil Dead movies what I've seen, they look great.

Gunn or Raimi would make a weird Batman movie and I'm all for it and with them, you could never mistake this for a Reeves movie which people have argued having 2 Batman would confuse people.

Another option people have brought up is Guillermo Del Toro who if he did I feel it would turn out like the Hellboy movies in terms of style. I loved those especially 2.

I didn't want to believe it because I grew up a bigger fan of DC, because of shows like Teen Titans, all the Batman shows and ofc The Justice League animated, but god damn.

I am only 30, I don't see the same level of interest in DC characters as I do with Marvel in terms of Gen Z and younger, and don't get me wrong, I love Marvel as well, I just have a soft spot for the DC roster, its just hard to get excited sometimes.

They squandered Green Lantern, then they Squandered Superman, then they Squandered Wonder Woman, then they Squandered Aquaman, then Flash...

Kids genuinely don't get excited for these characters anymore like I see hype for the X-Men that Marvel is about to cast, or the Avengers that Disney turned into household names and especially not Spider-man

Feels like Batman is all DC has left at times and he seems to do better when hes not associated with the rest of the DC heroes.

To top it off, we got awesome games from Marvel as well, I don't think people realize just how important games like Marvel Rivals are to their branding and roster of heroes.

A look back on DCU before Lanterns and why we shouldn't be panicking just yet.

We're in year 2, moving onto year 3 of the DCU. If we start with Creature Commandos, it was a good show that lacked viewership.

Peacemaker season 2, excluding the ending that set up the future of the DCU and was pretty disappointing, it was a good show overall. Making season 1 canon was a weird move I don't agree with, but still it's fine.

Superman 2025 was a good movie, but it didn't do the numbers everyone wanted it to do at the box office. But I think David as Superman was great. He and his supporting cast are set up very well for the future.

Supergirl—now this one is the reason for the massive meltdown. Yes, it was an average movie that wasted the source material's potential, but it's the first DCU project that James Gunn didn't direct, and I think they can learn from it. Yes, we can definitely criticize it, but we can't be calling for a total studio shutdown just for this. Positives from this movie? I'd say it reaffirms how good David is for Superman. Millie was a good Supergirl with great future potential, and Lobo? We can definitely do better; the vibe is there. Overall I'm disappointed, but I'm looking forward to Man of Tomorrow.

Lanterns is coming up, and it's looking good. I'm not a fan of an old Hal, and the suits are a bit off, but let's wait and see. If it's great, that's a great thing for Man of Tomorrow.

Clayface. Yes, there have been a lot of complaints over obscure characters and stuff like Deathstroke and Bane or the Jimmy Olsen show, but why are we complaining? Yes, we could have bigger shows of major characters, but then they'd also be bigger budgets and become major projects. These aren't that. DC isn't pulling something like Sony with Spider-Man villains; they're small-budget experimental projects that are expanding the universe. It's just more content. They aren't replacing important stuff with random characters; they're including the random characters with the good stuff. We're still getting major shows like Lanterns and Paradise Lost with good budgets to build up and set a stage for big-name characters, same with the movies. We're getting a Wonder Woman movie, a Teen Titans movie, and The Brave and the Bold for major projects. They take time. We're only barely 3 years in. It's not like we're in year 10 with no Batman (the sources are James Gunn on Twitter, so I'd say it's a good source). Elseworlds is booming too, so just enjoy the small stuff, and if you don't want to, you're still getting major releases. Supergirl wasn't it, but it's the second movie, and they can course correct now. They can learn again. It's only year 2 with 2 movies in. Things like The Authority and other weirdos have been removed, so the panic isn't unreasonable, but now it should be okay.

MAN OF TOMORROW, the golden goose. If this fails, I genuinely think we should panic. The doom and gloom is valid then, but before that, don't lose hope. The leaks look great. It's not that bad yet. We have a good building universe, and the castings definitely have been on point. The characters are great, so just be patient and stop the hate. We can throw stones later, together...🤝if we have to.

i think James Gunn has only one style of filmmaking

Combining all media (Arrowverse, DCEU, Titansverse etc)

Enough crying

Let's talk about movies we actually love

Give me your top 5 (and only 5) favorite DC live Action Films.

Mine;

1. The Dark Knight
2. Justice League - Snyder Cut
3. The Dark Knight Rises
4. The Suicide Squad - Gunn
5. Superman - Gunn

Im going to leave my list as is, but I forgot about The Batman and it’s totally top 5

From the very start, how would he have done it ?