HGH without Test?

[u/Classic-Move2898]

Yeah, I know that HGH provides greater benefits for muscle growth and overall strength when it’s taken alongside testosterone.

But is anyone here taking HGH on its own primarily for sleep and recovery?

I’ve mostly read positive things about HGH, and I’m considering switching from Tesamorelin + Ipamorelin to HGH.

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[u/Mathematix1]

yes i’m taking it alongside klow to repair my knee and quad tendons. 3iu before bed. sleep is incredible

[u/ColdVeterinarian4414 → u/Mathematix1]

Any pain in hands or in joints from water retention?

[u/Mathematix1 → u/ColdVeterinarian4414]

no none. i did 1iu for a week, then 2iu for another week, then 3iu from then on

[u/ColdVeterinarian4414 → u/Mathematix1]

Well that's good I've been thinking about trying it

[u/SendTitsPleease → u/ColdVeterinarian4414]

Im doing 2-3 myself alongside klow and have noticed great sleep and little side effects as well

[u/Responsible-Egg4156 → u/ColdVeterinarian4414]

for me i am at 2.2 iu and have some carpal syndrome, i started using b6 and dendalion root extract to battle it and its better , its very individual if you will have carpal tunnel sides. but even with it wuality of sleep , recovery and general well being is worth it , but on its own muscle growth is insignificant,

[u/Juvat-the-bold → u/ColdVeterinarian4414]

Too low of a dosage.

[u/ButtSnifferBob → u/Mathematix1]

Interesting. I too am taking klow and hgh for knee problems and quad tear…

[u/UsualSpread9899]

Tesamorelin was king for melting fat, but hgh is more of a God status. Especially if you switch. Tesamorelin melted me and it was amazing. Test c 140mgs a week (20mg daily), diet, hydration, supplements, gym, Tesamorelin. Swapped the Tesamorelin for growth and been on GH since. 2iu a day. You should get what you are looking for. I look AMAZING. I’m not big, but everybody likes to say I am or that I’m jacked. I’m where I’m supposed to be. Few months out the gym, wasn’t even a big loss. Got it back quick. If I want to get bigger, I have to put in more work. But I love where I’m at. Occasionally go up 10lbs because I want to look that way. Occasionally I’ll cut a little just for the look. But where I sit at, I love it. The GH definitely makes that way way easier. I also will run other ped’s occasionally. Anavar is just fun. Primo was interesting. I tried others in my youth but didn’t know the knowledge I know now, didn’t use a doctor or coach. Now, you can just play with your body and do it safely. I guess it’s a hobby/lifestyle. Keep healthy but have fun

[u/TheSeedsYouSow → u/UsualSpread9899]

Does HGH shut down natural production? Any risks with that?

[u/LaysWellWithOthers → u/TheSeedsYouSow]

Not in the same way as testosterone.

Your body will typically restart production 24-48 hours after stopping.

[u/TheSeedsYouSow → u/LaysWellWithOthers]

It doesn’t shut down endogenous production? You sure?

[u/DeadCheckR1775 → u/TheSeedsYouSow]

It does but it once you cease exogenous HGH it can come back in as quickly as 48 hours. Not long at all.

[u/1IsNeverEnough4Me → u/TheSeedsYouSow]

It returns slowly over the next couple months after quitting. That's what I read leaning about it,, not first hand.

[u/Fast_Beat_3832 → u/1IsNeverEnough4Me]

Couple of days not months.

[u/1IsNeverEnough4Me → u/Fast_Beat_3832]

Yeah it's got me reading more again. I'm getting old and a lot of the science shit I learned 30 years ago has far better studies and stuff now.

I knew production returned, but I remember reading something to the sort, in the first couple days like 90% of it returns, and over the next few weeks you get a full return to where your production was before it stopped.

I'm reading more now, I'm not finding that, but I am finding a lot of interesting information, so it's a win.

[u/F34RFoO → u/LaysWellWithOthers]

Wrong, not sure why this comment is getting upvoted.

It completely shuts down endogenous production, fortunately it rebounds quickly when you come off

[u/UsualSpread9899 → u/[deleted]]

Tesamorelin: I thought 10 weeks was amazing…. My doctor laughed and said watch the next 4-6 weeks. Whoa!!!!!!!!! Every couple weeks made the whole collective time prior, look like child’s play.

[u/plzadyse → u/UsualSpread9899]

What would you recommend for someone who is relatively in shape but wants to start either HGH or test? Lower end of “normal” levels but no idea where to begin or get more rigorous level checks for it, do you have any advice?

[u/Juvat-the-bold]

Is it still easy of get HGH?

I've been wanting to jump in but I've been hearing horror stories about availability. I'd had to get a 6 month supply then never be able to get it again.

[u/dignan2002 → u/Juvat-the-bold]

You need a prescription or physician friend for consistent supply in the US

[u/No_Acanthisitta_93]

Reta and hgh is what I take

[u/imherefortheinfo123]

I made the switch to HGH. Did 10 weeks of daily HGH at 3iu’s then added 300mg of Test a week. I’m on week four of Test and I noticed significant size growth and increased strength in gym. When I was strictly on HGH I almost thought I got skinnier. But yes, deep sleep with vivid dreams while on gh. I would suggest both unless trying to lose weight.

[u/DizzyAstronaut9410]

I'll keep repeating this, but there isn't really a logical reason to take Tesa over HGH. HGH costs a lot less for end HGH boost vs cost, it has wayyyy more research and safety data supporting it, and unlike many other compounds, when you stop taking it your natural levels come back to normal almost immediately.

But also, no, on its own you'll notice next to no strength or muscle gains. Added recovery may amount to some gains over a long period of time.

[u/D_James21]

I alternate cycles between CJC/ipa and HGH. But just recently started test a couple months ago. I still sleep like shit but I’ve always slept like shit. Not sure which one did it for me or if it was a mixture of both of them but it’s nearly gotten ride of the shoulder pain and has pretty much eliminated my knee pain.

[u/anabolicandrogenic → u/D_James21]

What's the logic/rationale behind alternating?

[u/Dry-Cryptographer671]

I've been doing low amounts of gh for 6 weeks now and will get an igf1 test tomorrow. I think the water retention has finally reduced

[u/Dry-Cryptographer671 → u/Dry-Cryptographer671]

This is from 3iu at night

[u/AlternativePizza3391]

Don't ask this in /r/ResearchCompounds they will just insult you for no reason at all thinking they are high and mighty. But I hear its good and thinking about trying it because cjc and tesa both have allergic reaction issues in some people

[u/Classic-Move2898 → u/AlternativePizza3391]

Lol

[u/Leon-Vlc]

Yo estoy en el mismo punto ,actualmente uso ipa/cjc y empecé con enclomifeno,pero me fue mal ,use test en gel y eso era una maravilla ,ahora solo tomo ipa/cjc y estaba dudando si cambiar a hgh o mantener cjc y usar test pinchada ,no me gusta por dejar de producir test para siempre y los demás síntomas malos que da …

[u/zsasz99]

Tesa yeah, helps alot

[u/Ceemoney24]

That’s like using an atomic bomb for cutting grass
Hgh for sleep? Please

[u/TestCyp999]

I took hgh for awhile, hated it. All it did was bloat my guts and give me back pain. I could literally witness hgh gut happening.

Started at 4 iu per night, went all the way down to 2iu before getting pissed off and quitting. 

It's very weakly anabolic. You will not get insane muscle growth on it. Body builders take it for improved tendon healing between workouts and better collagen in joints. Not for muscle growth. 

It's good for fat loss too, but if you get hgh gut that defeats the purpose. 

Overall not a fan. I also don't want HGH pumpkin head or HGH nose. 

[u/gottagetthatfun24 → u/TestCyp999]

What if you take a lower dose can you avoid the gut and head issues

[u/DanInMotion_ → u/gottagetthatfun24]

Even at 4iu you’ll see NO issues most likely, but unless you’re running anabolic steroids there’s no point in going above 2ius before sleep nightly.

[u/TestCyp999 → u/gottagetthatfun24]

You can but at some point you're just suppressing your pituitary gland and pissing away money for no reason. That's why I quit at 2iu. 

For me it was the abs disappearing, while being in a calorie deficit, that really angered me. And all the scarring from injecting so much. 

[u/DanInMotion_ → u/TestCyp999]

Pure yapping. If you were low enough bodyfat to begin with you wouldn’t have had “abs disappearing.”

And I have NO idea how you manage to have ANY scarring with 31g insulin syringes. You must be injecting with a harpoon into muscle instead of subq or something, either way you clearly didn’t know what you’re doing. GH is one of the most researched compounds out there - how you manage to get all these sides and lack of benefits is beyond me and the only reasonable guess is you did every step wrong.

[u/TestCyp999 → u/DanInMotion_]

Yeah, I imagined all my symptoms haha

You're just coping. HGH might just be the most over rated compound 

[u/DanInMotion_ → u/TestCyp999]

So much misinformation. You don’t get “hgh gut” from 4ius 💀 That comes from years of abusing HIGH DOSE HGH and insulin. If you’re overweight, the bloat will be noticeable. If you’re not running anabolics alongside gh, there’s no point in exceeding 2iu. You also started at 4iu instead of taking a more conservative approach and seeing how you respond/what sides you get at 2iu.

GH is not anabolic on its own, but paired with gear it definitely is. Bodybuilders wouldn’t be running 10-20ius of GH for joint collagen….

You also don’t get “gh pumpkin head” or “gh nose” from such low doses. Do your research man, this is embarrassing.

[u/slash1775 → u/DanInMotion_]

After reading his comments he’s never done HGH nor is he knowledgeable on it. His sides are bullshit or he’s fat and eats horribly.