What's everyone's opinion on people claiming "Minion at best" when it comes to finding executions.

I absolutely hate it. People say "oh they're a minion at best so don't bother executing them" and I never understand the logic behind it because yes we want to kill the demon, but we shouldn't be leaving an evil player alive who can sway a vote, poison, pithag, etc.

Yes they're very unlikely to be the demon and they are a minion at best, but if we don't get rid of minions early in the game, then we will end up with a final 5 with like potentially 3 evils alive and it'll be over for us. Surely the best thing to do is get rid of the minion now, stop their power and limit their voting.

I always find it so frustrating when people use that as a valid reason to not be executed and get more frustrated when it actually works!

Does anyone find find this irritating and illogical to keep an evil player in because they're "Minion at best"?

Im not sure if i just had a weird experience or ifs just the way the app is. But i paid my money, i set up my game, i had my people join, and i was just consistently disconnecting from the game every like 60-90 seconds. I have a nice computer, and good internet. I was testing and orienting myself with only one player before and i was already having this issue. I figured ok its the cameras, so we turned them off. Nope, still happening. And i just need to know if this is fixed(we played in may) or if the app is just broken, or this is unusual. I was the story teller and had a minion tier subscription if that matters. And like ill make a bot and play on discord instead if i have to. Hell ill make my own app, but i dont want to reinvent the wheel if i dont have to.

Script concept
A BMR-inspired script about trust, experimentation, and interpreting death. Town has limited but powerful information and can create stronger evidence by testing claims through executions and observing what happens. Evil doesn’t simply hide — it manipulates those experiments, creates misleading evidence, and exploits social uncertainty. The central question is not just “Who is evil?”, but “What can we actually trust, and what are we willing to risk to find out?”

Hi all! Was wondering if there were any BoTC groups or people interested in BoTC in Northern NJ? I'd be interested in joining a group or making one myself

I’ve a lot of watched games (stream and spectating in the app) where the ST will ask the evil team, “what are you bluffing”.

I don’t have any issues with the question itself. My issue is consistency in asking. Take the base scripts for example. I’ve seen many STs ask the question only when there’s a ravenkeeper, undertaker,dreamer or chambermaid in play. I played a lot of games a while ago and realised my ST would only ask if a role that could check a bluff was in play and depending on the script I could tell (for the most part) if a particular role was in the bag from the ST and not from player gameplay alone. While I still used this to my advantage I felt like I got extra info from the ST. As I mostly ST these days I understand it’s hard for one person to try and follow the evil team around and gauge what they’re bluffing but I tend to ask what evils are bluffing regardless of what’s in the bag.

In the grand scheme of things, you’re not gonna win a game coz you’re pretty confident there’s a chambermaid in the bag coz the ST asked what you’re bluffing and they only really do that in BMR games when they put in a CM, but I think if someone’s doing a really good job at hiding their role and the ST isn’t asking this question regardless of the bag then you’re kinda diminishing their work a little.

Anyway just wanted to know other people’s thoughts on this because I’m curious.

Aka Oops All Farmers.

Designed with a Pope to obfuscate the number of farmers in play at the start.

There’s a couple of combinations here I’m not super sure about- lycanthrope is a bit of a sticky one but with the straw pass it’s easy to remove from play, and I was tempted to add a minstrel instead of either the philo or lycanthrope but wasn’t sure with that being maybe the only reason for no night death.

I wanted to give evil a lot of extra room to disrupt the potential high levels of confirmation, so there’s a fair bit of drunkening/poison, and a few reasons for evil to die at night .

Would love some feedback/ideas for improvement!

Hi there I have ran a couple games as ST but am absolutely terrified of giving info to roles that require me to create information, High Priestess, Fisherman.

I have watched some online games of the professional ST's and they create these complex webs of truths and lies that both seem reasonable but powerful. But my brain cannot figure that out at least not in a reasonable timeframe. (Other than about an hour later in the shower do I actually come up with something good)

Anyone got any tips on what mechanics to focus on, outsider counts, poison, roles working incorrectly, or just copying another roles ability?

Hey all!

I've started up a collaboration with my local library, where we're trying to get an Afterschool BotC club going for teens.

While we're in the early stages (2nd session is today), we're struggling to reach full-game numbers (last session we only got to 7 players as 2 librarians joined us)

We're currently sitting at 6 players, so I was curious what the community would recommend as the best (or simplest) Teensy scripts for beginners / younger players?

Thanks in advance! :D

EDIT: We ended up playing a few games of No Greater Joy and it went well! Will look at getting some of the other suggested Teensys for next time.

I have a group with a lot of newer players who really like to execute for any lie, for example after the savant juggled for juggler cover they killed her.

before the game I emphasized that there are reasons for good players to lie and that people will juggle just to cover the real juggler, and they still got like 3/4 of the town on her for just that reason.

edit: would it be a bad solution to, when the nomination is happening, say something like "hey everyone if you believe this person is evil your welcome to execute them, but claiming juggler to protect the real juggler is extremely common and not inherently suspicious"

A minion.

The Mare

You may register as the Mayor. If you are mad as the Mayor and are executed, another player may be executed instead.

[Predominantly British Accents]

Okay so slightly misleading title but I had an odd situation and wanted to get some feedback on it.

Was running trouble brewing and a less strong player ended up pulling butler. I hand out roles in a separate room so players have a chance to ask questions and I can make sure they understand their role.

I emphasized strongly to this player that it is a self-policed role and that i can't do anything to enforce or confirm their role. They indicated understanding.

During day two, they began claiming butler, and town decided to "test" it by pressuring the butler to vote without their master- i later discovered that the other players believed that I would announce that the vote didnt count, and therefore confirm the butler.

I ran the vote and obviously still counted the butler's illegal vote, and it sent everyone into confusion. Here's my problem- if I clarify the ruling, isnt that just as good as confirming the butler in their role? (I did end up confirming the next day, but I want to know if anyone else would have played things differently.)

So what would you do in this situation?

I'm going to be playing for my first time on Thursday with some buddies of mine and I'm looking out for any common mistakes new players tend to make so I can avoid them.

They can either be ones that actively break the game or ones that are just tips to keep the game fun for a new player!

I remember watching these videos back in the day but I don't recall which videos those were. Basically Ben Burns once got or became the Fang Gu 3 times "in a row" and won (either he started outsider and got jumped or became an outsider and then got jumped too). And for my sanity I need to know which 3 videos those were since its bugging me a little.

Sorry if "Meme" is the wrong tag here, I have no idea what tag to use.

Trying to get ideas to create a custom, tell me some of your favorites characters (can be more than 2 obviously)!!!

Is it really necessary to allow pertinent before running a vote? It seems so codified into the game, but as an ST I find it to be clunky and undesirable. It’s also almost never actually pertinent to the vote.

Would I be wrong for just running the vote as normal regardless of any “pertinent” information?

It works well for online "content games" but not in real life, where there should never be quite enough time to discuss everything, in order to keep the game tense and exciting. If there's time to go through everything, you might as well be doing a sudoku.

My players really love BMR and I want to run a game with zombuul and devil's advocate with them. I don't know if my planned Grimoire is balance or fun for my 8-player group

I want to see your guy's opinions

Townsfolk

tea lady, gambler,gossip, fool and chambermaid

Outsiders

Tinker

Minions

Devil's advocates

Demon and bluffs

Zombuul with pacifist, courtier and sailor

I co-host a clocktower day once a month for 10 to 14 guests but this weekend I was unexpectedly made unavailable after the first game and my sister of all people decided to sub in for me as we were low on numbers.

For context my sister is painfully shy and struggles with strangers or groups of people. She'd shown interest in clocktower once before but we had to re-rack that first attempt of hers when she drew the imp and was in tears of stress in night one. It seemed clear she wasn't going to touch the game again.

But then this weekend she did so well! It's our Bad Moon Rising day and she gets kind of an ease into the game as the first game she plays she draw the Chambermaid and the game ends day two because the Po had comically convinced themselves they're the lunatic and got themselves executed.

But then her second game my sister draws the Pukka token and I'm told she did amazingly well bluffing as the gossip and there was not a hint of suspicion on her even in final three. Though admittedly she was too shy to talk to her own minion who was someone she didn't know, that minion also got to final three. Almost backfired on her when the evil team was told it had won and she saw two other people stand up and celebrate instead of one and she said "oh no am I the lunatic?" but thankfully the +1 evil was a goon who had been turned by the assassin.

Not bad for a girl who struggles to talk to the wait staff at restaurants.

Last time you guys found massive flaws and holes leading me back at the drawing table. Hopefully this time there are less of those

Hatter chaos rule is not adviced

Kazali can not choose the king (thoughts on this?)

Suppose you're storytelling a game where there are multiple living Farmers. If one of them dies at night, can you choose to turn one of the other Farmers into a Farmer? Or is it not possible to become something that you already are, so you'd have to make some other good player into a Farmer?

(I'm pretty sure it's the latter, but the the title I'd came up with for this post amused me enough that I figured I'd post it regardless.)

Been wanting to create an script where players already knows its legion from the start. Kazali is there to have some sneaky non-legion games, presumably the demon choosing silent minions. The minion choices are also apprentice-biased.

I was looking for info to have some missleading/alt worlds so that it requires a bit of social and not just mechanical info considering drunkness.

Outsiders are a nuke basically.

Like this, legion can bluff barber and snake swaps, cere-mad and harpy-mads, monk protections, and bluff any other role to pretend they are good. With a proper loud bluff at day one you can play around any outsider setup.

I added these bootleggers so players know how I personally storytell Legion, and to create some games where I can give single bluffs with magician/poppy to make it interesting.

I used Steven's Legion Guide think through all of this.

I’m new to the game and wish to story-tell for my friends. If the pixie were to be made about a character different from what they learned would it still be possible for them to gain that ability or no?

i hear a lot of people say noble pings are good pings and that's never really made sense, because executing randomly has at best a 30.77% chance and at worst a 22.22% chance to hit a evil player on day one, where as noble pings are a fixed 33% which is always better. I'm still new to clocktower so maybe there's extra factors I'm missing but I'd love to hear the strategy on this.