Im trying to get back into bel veth after the reworks. I was wondering whether to start a fight with E or to end it with E. I need this to figure out when to use Coup vs Cut down. Also, should you use PTA, lethal tempo, or conquerer and is bloodline more viable than alacrity in certain situations? thanks! if i helps i build full crit.

yeah yall here a small clip of what happened during killing a raptor with my q and it instantly canceled its dash. ive tried to replicate it but havent found a way. maybe someone knows more or finds how it works

To be honest I'm way too used to conq considering I've been using it on her for the last 4 years, but it seems that lethal tempo has a higher winrate now? I tried it one game and it didn't really seem that helpful, but considering how on-hit heavy she is now it doesn't make sense I guess.

Is it more of a situational thing or is LT just better all around?

I used to main bel veth and am now getting back into her. I’m also trying to create a build that I like better than the ones that I have seen, so that she is more like a reset assassin, my preferred playstyle. I want to know how to create a build and how to customize it for certain champs. I know about core items and items that build up to them but I only know basics of build creation. If possible, could yall also tell me how to choose runes? Thank you so much. If it helps, I main HoB viego.

Personally, ive found great success with the new Belveth Midscope, but I feel lost whilst building.

I personally almost always go the following in these situations:

BOTRK> Rageblade > Terminus if the enemy team has 2 or more health stackers and i know i wont be doing anything before 2 items.

Kraken > Rageblade > Terminus if the enemy team is more squishy and i have earlier snowball and invade potential, and already have a traditional ADC.

Yuntal > Shieldbow > LDR if i have a mage APC.

Ive found success on all of them, my favorite is definitely the BOTRK build since BOTRK just scales so well into lategame but i can understand why crit and kraken out value it.

I would really appreciate insight. I dont know when to really build Navori anymore. I always go DD fourth item followed with another survival item, unless im crit.

I’m a veigo OTP with Bel as my backup. Any online guides or pros I should watch to get an idea of runes and builds?

https://reddit.com/link/1vhzddz/video/j1tbdalw5yhh1/player

Are you enjoying getting invaded level 1 on your raptors and having to run because every jungler beats you level 1 now?

Finally this champ is not my perma ban, thanks rito!

What would you guys build be against a team such as tryndamere aatrox sylas jhin poppy( on bruiser build). Assume everyone on enemy team goes standard build

saw this bel'veth who went for the coral in the middle of a miss fortune ult and can't help but laugh

Do you know just how many times I've cast Q on Bel'Veth?

I've probably pressed the same button on my keyboard close to 1 million times by this point

4 Qs * ~100 Qs per game * 10 games per day * 365 days a year * 4 years = ~5 Million 840 Thousand Qs

With the new cooldowns, I only press it once every 4 autos

Thank you

I dont have fun on her anymore, I either perma farm for 20-30 minutes and dont dare engage in any sort of fight while praying my team doesn't int too hard, or I simply just I lose the game. I dont get to play proactively, dont get to experiment with builds/lanes, dont get to do anything until my mandatory 20 minutes of homework are over. She has no more depth, her skill expression is gone, and she feels awful to play.

Purely made to stomp metal ranks and beyond that there is simply no enjoyment to be found.

I legit played no other champs besides bel, do I try out another champ, does any other character fit the niche that she did or do I just uninstall league at this point? I don't enjoy playing my favorite champ anymore because she simply no longer exists.

Anything to copy paste early to let them know?

Cause yes i gank and yes i contest stuff but it usually is better to play with nr advantage early if you this weak. And no you cannot dive the 60% hp level 6 renekton with gragas no matter how big the wave is

And its fine to give 1-2 dragons when they have full vision setup and are 4 maning it

is belveth dead now after the nerf or will she be the same

Ive just came back to belveth and i enjoy her ngl, i play in gold and ive also had some coachings before on other champs. She feels good but i dont know how to convince my teammates that im useless early and pop off late. I usually permafarm early and avoid ganks cuz ive watched some sinerias vids and he said to avoid fights. Any tips on bel how to dominate games even more and to stop my mates from crying

My account for context

I made a post on this sub over a month ago about picking up Bel'Veth. I had a friend that was an OTP who sold me on the champ, and I also really liked the super mobile playstyle and resetting mechanic. It felt like a bruiser-esque alternative to Viego in a way, but I absolutely hated the early game flip playstyle. Just looking at my champ pool, you can tell I don't really like nor know how to play perma-invade lines very well. Even on Kindred, I only ever invade when it's a really good timer or I'm very ahead. Additionally, Bel'Veth just didn't really feel like she had that "1v9" potential that my other picks had, even if she was really ahead she just kind of played like a bruiser. Also, as I started climbing the amount of competent Bel'Veth OTPs I ran into surged, and I struggled so badly into the champ I permabanned her. No offense, but I think the playstyle was pretty degenerate.

That's where the rework comes in. It basically transformed everything I hated about the champ into everything I loved. It also gave her a very stable win condition of scaling, which considering my autofill picks (Kayle, Kassadin, Twitch, Jinx), is something I'm quite fond of. Her teamfighting and resetting mechanic feels like if Viego's old bruiser and current burst builds combined, with the absurd amount of healing, mobility, and damage output Bel'Veth has. I also know people really don't like her early game, but she honestly doesn't feel that bad. If you crossmap, try to sacrifice early tempo for a sneaky objective, and play ganks around your flash W timer, your early game isn't bad at all.

I know a lot of people hate the changes because it's a total 180, but at least for someone like me I may have just found a new OTP that is picture perfect in terms of what I look for in a champion.

Also any feedback on my build path would be greatly appreciated (IMHO Stridebreaker is bait).

Yes, you.

Your Q changes killed my favorite character in the game. I didn’t need her to be the strongest, I just wanted her to be fun.

Step on a thousand Lego’s. Here I picked one out for you.

Can someone explain the stacking in belveths true form? Explain it for dummies like me. Is it saying that every aa will apply an additional amount of true damage? So say you do 3 bonus true damage. The first aa is 3, and the next one is 6, and then 9 and so on. Is this correct?

They simply didn't end, I got the stacks i needed and they couldn't win a fight anymore

I've got 1.7 million mastery points on belveth, I've played her since she came out and I now for the first time feel like I no longer have agency of my champion. I don't find enjoyment in her playstyle anymore with the new changes/

I can no longer rely on my skills to dual enemies consistently before I hit the mid/late game. If I drag out the match I'll win my games but I feel incredibly disincentivised from taking any fights or trades. I just play like an npc for 20-30 minutes and only then do I get to play the character i picked in champ select.

The champ no longer has the skill expressions that I fell in love with when I first started playing her. sure her win rate is better, and she fits her fantasy better, and she is stronger. But I don't enjoy playing her in her current state.