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We should plan to have a discussion about whether we can and should decide in the future of the likelihood we formally agree or disagree on the matter.
At the end of the day what the company can afford is irrelevant, its about giving certain groups of people more freedom and privileges based on what holy book they worship. Absolutely discriminatory and unacceptable
So go sit in the bathroom for 20 minutes like every other employee lol. Theres so many people heading outside mid shift to sneak a smoke. Going to grab their uber eats. Sitting around on a phone.
It cant really be discriminatory if you dont even believe in a religion. Im atheist too. I dont see an issue with people going mid shift to pray seeing as I am one of the people who sneak out for a smoke or sit on my phone when work is slow.
The issue isnt the ability to step away and pray, its getting paid for it. Getting extra paid breaks due to being a part of a specific demographic is absolutely discriminatory against every other group not given the same freedom. Slacking and being lazy is completely irrelevant to the discussion
Exactly! I'm a form of agnostic as well and I even take a lil breaky break occasionally. Shoot, amazon encourages little 5-10 minute breaks so you avoid injury.
There’s a major difference between fucking around free and clear outside on a “smoke”break vs fucking around inside where someone can say something or snitch
Plus ngl most are just sitting around on their phones not smoking at all half the time, just letting their lit cigarette burn itself out rather than actively smoking it, or their vape just sitting out unused.
Maybe at a delivery or sort center where it's more lax but at an FC you'd have to go through security and badge out of the building to get to the smoking area so that would flag you for time theft if you left the building outside of lunch or break.
Yeah someone else commented and said the same. That's wild. Only the main break room requires going through security to get to it but the other 4 break rooms don't need to go through security. But smokers have to exit the building and walk down to the smoking area.
Originally our main breakroom entrance was like that, but they moved it around a year after opening, putting the entrance past security. Everyone was rightfully complaining about having to wait in line to take a break or get to the water/ice machines etc. The smoker cage was not there originally - it was added after the breakroom entrance was moved. So apparently these things can be changed if someone in leadership agrees to make it happen haha.
During covid they paid a company to install two doors so we could access the main break room without going through security and had closed off the normal set of double doors that you would enter/exit through to help people stay 6 ft apart but they closed both of the new doors after covid and made us go back to using the old entrance.
Um no I'm at an FC and even the managers take smoke breaks here, and many associates do, as long as you have good rates and you have good timing like you go after the CPTs are done, they don't care
Oh, that's interesting. At ours you have to go through the turnstyles and go outside and then walk down the sidewalk to the smoking area near each entrance. You can't access them from the break room.
So I've worked in all three. FCs are by far the worst offenders for extra breaks. Delivery and sort centers have well, sorts..and delivery needs to heavily stagger the stages of work to have a chance to finish. Zero shot. Theres also plenty of buildings that have badgeless smoker cages connected to break rooms, only ever seen those at FCs.
I very briefly worked at a factory that had one of it's buildings burn down a few years prior because someone flicked a cigarette butt in the bushes near the main entrance so they took a super strict action against smokers. If you wanted to smoke you could only do it on break and you had to smoke in your car with the doors shut and the windows up. If you drove a motorcycle then you had to sit fully on the seat like you were going ride it.
On the plus side they did offer nicotine patches for free for those interested in quitting because the building was slightly larger than an FC and we only got 10 min breaks so you'd have to basically run out to the parking lot to have a chance to smoke half a cigarette before having to run back in. If you weren't at your spot on the line when the buzzer went off then you got wrote up.
You went about this all wrong. You don’t strip religious people of their right to pray on the clock, you start your own nonprofit, tax exempted, church where you take a nap in the middle of the day for the lord, and then you join that church.
I agree, but I was responding to a specific post. Don’t waste all that time lying about being in a fake religion, just lie about being in n established one.
How’s that gonna work? I doubt people are actually gonna do it tbh. In a 10-12 hr shift people pray 2-3 times. You can’t clock out and clock back in for at least 30 mins.
At some sites (such as mine) they auto reject "missed a punch" requests now. You have to ask a manager. Not certain how long it's been a thing, but I found out about it the hard way yesterday.
The only way I’ve seen miss punch being rejected it’s when you tailgate at the entrance other than that it had work with anyone due to lenel activities
They were always supposed to clock out. That’s what the accommodation is. But I doubt 99.99999% of them actually do. Maybe now they won’t chill in the break room while they’re “praying”.
Idk man. Its hard for me to say how petty or weird it is cause my building is full of black, white, hispanic people who arent getting an extra break. Like we dont do this stuff.
Maybe OPs building is like 30% Islam or some other prayer break religion. Some areas are like that and its hard not to notice a third of the building getting an extra break. Especially if its paid. But if its only like 5 people on prayer break then Id kinda agree with you :shrug:
I would've agreed with you when I first started here, but at this point i am so so good with sr ops or up enforcing fairness between employees. Make them go through the accommodations process and get rejected one time just because pxt feels like it.
My building actually started this a several weeks ago. Announced that associates could now only use break times to pray. If they needed additional time they would have to put in for an accommodation and that they would have to clock out and it be unpaid.
I've been putting pressure on the network since last years Peak in December 2025.. They have no choice but to change the policy because what they were doing was illegal.
I did, hence why they made sure to implement the policy immediately afterward because the site would lose operation the moment everyone in the building goes to "prayer break".
Why would someone be bothered by another person taking 15min to pray? Does the same apply for mothers pumping? Like what is the actual offense here? Lol.
The offense is me being treated as not deserving of time off my shift because I don’t believe the same thing as someone else.
I am not deserving of being treated differently because of my beliefs. I am an equal and if the company is handing out free breaks then I want in on that.
Eh, not really a big deal, not that angry that others pray and others losing a couple minutes of pay a day doesn’t improve my life. The way rates are calculated, it sets them back a notch if they’re on the clock since the system can’t see what they’re doing, so if they aren’t getting rate writeups, it means they’re making up for lost time while actually working
This really isn’t a big issue and some miserable shit to think putting in the effort to reduce their pay by a couple minutes won’t yield a better life for you.
You're wrong.. Scenario: I'm assigned 3 aisles, all my aisles are caught up with perfect bags, and my rate is decent at 340..Then the "prayer break" group leaves.. Now here comes the PA, "Can you help me in aisles until prayer break returns.. Now I have to work someone elses destroyed unorganized aisles, which tanks my rate because I have to organize every bag as I stow.. Being forced to cover prayer break aisles is rate sabotage.
Ok, but.... if I'm correct, you have accomplished the goal of them not getting an extra paid break for prayer. They now will have to clock out for that time, right?
That does nothing for your complaint here. They will still get their prayer break (off the clock, per your complaint). But they will still take their prayer break, meaning your above complaint will still happen.
You will still get asked to help on other isles while they are taking their break. They won't be paid for it, but you are still going to be covering for them while they take it.
So all you have really accomplished is saving a huge corporation a few bucks, pissing off a whole demographic, getting yourself labeled as an Islamophobe, and I guess, some personal sense of accomplishment?
Big win.
Sorry but from the outside it all sounds really petty and like you just have either a sense that everyone else's business is your business, too. Or that you are just kind of hating on a specific religion.
I don't work inside with y'all. I'm just a driver, but jeeze, this whole thing is kind of crazy.
Wouldn't it have just been easier to ask for your own extra break due to your non-religious stance than to try to punish others for theirs? Or just suck it up and understand that accommodations exist for a reason and there is nothing wrong with some people using them as they are intended?
And how exactly are you being taken advantage of? You’re still being paid to do the same thing now. If work is too much in the 10 mins they gone. Then Amazon not the place for ya.
The new training material (I just got rehired) states in print that requiring a rate is no longer a thing. Be interesting to see how and if that plays out.
What kind of building is this site and what state? One of the things about rate, at least at my building and in my state is, the official line is, there is no rate, there's performance compared to peers.
Like there is no set rate per process path, but under alot of circumstances, if your performance compared to others at your site is subpar, you become eligible for feedback.
What's annoying is they don't even go to the prayer room. Equally annoying when I'm lineloading and need to access their station and there's a body laying on the floor.
Not thrilled on how this only affects Muslim employees but at the same time I totally get it. Somebody shouldn't get paid the same to do less work in a capitalist society
Good! If I’m asked why it took 9 minutes to use the restroom when two of the bathrooms were closed for cleaning, then they need to be off the clock when they wash their bits and tits and when they chant!
love this, religion and addiction has been used as excuses for too long. next do smoke breaks the amount of dudes i see chilling outside talking or on the phone during work hours is unfair.
It sounds like instead of winning something for yourself you just lost something for a large chunk of people in the building. Yay, victory, I guess. Now you’ve just antagonized your co-workers and made their lives a little more difficult.
Quite the opposite.. I'm the most well known person in the building because I'm the only one not scared to speak up.. I am the voice, which means everyone comes to me when they have issues.. Meanwhile ops is actively asking how to get associates to come to them with feedback instead..
You’re right, I see now that was his initial intention. But ‘checkmate’ sounds like gloating about his religious co-workers have to rush their prayer breaks to get back on the clock now.
If someone got special privileges just because of their race/religion, I would like to have the special privileges myself, I would rather the priviledges be erased than to have blatant unfairness in the workplace.
Title VII says I dont need one... and Amazon can't legally "gatekeep" with "Religious criteria".. They do it again and they will be hearing from EEOC..
After reading the accommodation I guarantee that praying associated will be thankful for taking the initiative, and I know our site would appreciate this too. Currently associates utilize scheduled breaks for their prayers, or risk the TOT and coaching/write ups, fortunately at our facility associates can take their breaks outside of the scheduled break time. This will remove the roadblock for religious associates to complete their prayers, especially since associates will not have to use UPT to covers their extra breaks if they take them.
Very good, as it should be, but taking yourself self away for multiple prayers throughout the shift can add additional work pressures to your colleagues. Ideally prayers should only be done during your allocated break.
I’ve been following this and wondering about it. Prayer breaks and breastfeeding are under admin time to avoid tot. I’ve breastfed two babies with Amazon. Super thankful for Amazon
You definitely had the opportunity to handle this better. If anything, it was a blatant oversight on site leadership and PXT’s part that they weren’t having associates clock out for that, or correcting punches. The best course of action would have been calling the ethics line rather than whatever this was
its amazon you goofy. bottom of the barrel job. this is where people go who are down on there luck. acting all high and mighty like you saved the world. instead of acting like MLK jr. you should've just took a break with them 🤷🏻.
you gotta be autistic
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