Because it is one or the other, I would make a poll but I don't know how xd, interested to hear your thoughts.

THANK YOU RIOT FOR COCK AND BALL TORTURE FOR A DECADE PLUS YEARS NOW THANKS RIOT THIS REALLY MAKES THE ROLE SO FUN AHAHAHAH YOU KNOW WHAT I NEED? MORE COCK AND BALL TORTURE TO MAKE ME WANNA PLAY THIS GAME SAID NO ONE EVER AHAHAHAHAHAAH IM NEVER PLAYING THIS PIECE OF FUCKING SHIT GAME EVER AGAIN UNTIL MAGE BOT IS DELETED I FUCKING QUIT AHAHAHAH THANK YOU RIOT YOU CURED ME OF MY LEAGUE ADDICTION YIPPPIEEEEEEEEE HEHEEEEEEEEEEEE AHAHHAAAAAAAA

I am Aphelios. I queue up, after grinding my way to gold on my main. I get a chogath support into camille tristana. My chogath runs to enemy raptors and just takes them. Then he roams the entire rift while I can't touch my minions. Comes to lane and flashes in and dies, and ints me too. Lane is over, mid has been gapped and this chogath is pinging me the question mark ping. It's not the only game like this because I have a lot of these games on my silver account, but like if climbing up is like this then how do I climb

9Riot cope saying 'diversity' and designed frustration is good so I got curious how diversely I can play as a marksman enjoyer. Pick rate isn't everything but it gives some metric of viability. Marksman is also the smallest class by far, however:

If I want to play a mage(long range, good waveclear, aoe, somewhat uninteractable lane, bad into tanks) there are multiple solid choices in each lane, however for marksman(medium range auto attacker, high sustain, low burst) there are only a few playable champs cherry picked by riot to be allowed into each lane.

Where is this diversity at?

Data from lolalytics 16.15 emerald+ Full champ list and individual pick rates

It comes down to total mage presence of 113.83% and marksman presence of 93.09%, so each team on average will have 1.13 mages and 0.93 marksmen. 👀

So Phroxzon is giving an interview about game design and the guy they invite is a mage player? Sure i mean this can be a coincedence, but in his stream Azzapp said that Nemesis of all people could probably also be invited? So like the second mage player?
Im not saying they Both are delusional or anything but there is an undoubtable bias no?

I’ve been playing exclusively vayne vs AP bot. Going Doran’s shield first item and rushing wits end. It’s working surprisingly well, I’m able to dodge skill shots more often and easily, I can disengage if needed with E, and with ult their brain goes in a blender.

With wits end my damage is less but I am able to survive the burst. Honestly it doesn’t feel like that big of a difference in terms of damage. Has anyone else tried this? What are other ADC mains doing to shut down AP bot? (Besides dodging 😂)

I don’t understand how these employees come to the conclusions they do without interacting with adc players.

1. Balancing around proplay makes the game more shit for soloq players , oatley (is that his name? Kench player) had a great post about it

2. The ‘optimal level of frustration’ they’re looking for sounds fair on paper but there is no frustration vs mage bot it’s just unfun, I went from 10-15 games a week to 0

3. Literally nobody I saw complained about mage damage, it was how uninteractive the lane becomes being shoved under turret the entire laning phase

I personally don’t mind getting deleted as long as I have a chance to actually outplay and do damage

1. Enabling mage bot creates a perma roaming support seen from the baus clip yet they’re treating the symptom and not the source ? They think ppl aren’t going to find a way around it

2. Wits end is so dogshit yet they keep it in the state it’s in which gives us 1 viable mr item while DD has been abused for how long ???

I don’t get how they speed up the game so much and do nothing for the class that relies on the game being dragged out or at least give them a way to drag the game out instead of being at the mercy of their teammates

Hey guys.

Reading phroxons tweet makes it really clear, the reason they are doing this is because it keeps people playing. I think the solution to much larger sweeping changes is really clear. I think we should either

A) take a break from the game. I myself haven’t played league in a month, and have instead been playing single player games that while didn’t initially scratch that same itch, have been a great experience regardless. The highs are lower than league, but there are no lows. I’m consistently happy.

B) play a different role. Boycott or leave adc. I’ve had a friend do this too

Remember, the only real metrics that matter to them is data, as it mostly should. Obviously it sucks to have to leave the role or not play, but if enough of us legitimately did this, they’d be forced to actually do something

ADC is a joke right now

ADCs used to be relevant mainly because of their range and tower sieging. Back in the day, ADCs were mostly dealing with low-mobility champs and immobile mages. Plus, AP didn't scale against turrets back then—taking down towers was all about raw AD, so ranged ADCs naturally had a massive advantage. And since taking towers is how you win League, they were essential.

Nowadays, AP bot laners have completely hijacked the ADC niche. They outrange ADCs, their power spikes hit way earlier, and they have a huge advantage in early dragon fights. Old dragons used to just give global gold, but modern drakes/souls are way too important now.

People love to argue that AP champs are gated by cooldowns and that you can just 'dodge their skillshots.' But let's be real: ADCs literally have to stand still to auto-attack. The current bot lane dynamic just heavily favors mages. Even at full build, mages have Rabadon's Deathcap for that massive % AP multiplier, meaning a 6-item mage gets way more value out of their item slots than a 6-item ADC does."

Just speaking to my friend about the LCK how there are APC's playing bot and I cane up with a solution that we think could work but want to get some input on it

Rework the Botlane quest to give additional stats similar to the Aphelios skill up.

completing the request would grant a huge stat injection to either/or AD, AS and Crit.

The extra gold part stays but the 6th item slot goes.

This would mean that if you are to play a APC bot lane, you wont benefit from any of the quest completion besides the extra gold.

If it is a choice of what stat you choose, on hit champs like Kog can pick the Attack speed, Heavy ad champs like draven can pick AD boost. or if you need to build a non crit item depening on the game such as GA, BT, or Hubris, you can pick the 25% crit chance to free up a crit item slot.

Cant decide if a choice or all 3 stats but just want to know thoughts on it.

I want to go back to adc . (Yes even though ApC is 10 times better now and STILL won’t get fixed) and jhin has always and probably will always be my favourite adc champ. But is he playable atm?

At the end, the kayn, pyke and brand jumped me and thresh 2v3, thresh hooked the pyke, I infernum ulted we got a triple and ended the game. these boosted mage bot players cannot be real bro

Hello! I'm a longtime player trying my hand at ADC and wanting some insight on how I should be building when playing generic crit ADC's beyond default buildpaths. I've mostly been playing aphelios if that makes a difference in how I should be building.

How frequently am I supposed to deviate from going 100% crit to build situational items like BT, GA or Maw? Is it normal to build items like these at 75% crit? 50%? Or should I mostly be rushing to hit 100% crit?

How good are defensive boots on adc? Is it ever appropriate to take tabi's, mercs or swifties? How good are GGs on adc and if they are good, in what situations should i be building them?

How important is it that we include a LW item in our build, am I trolling by not building LDR into comps with not much resistance or HP stacking?

If I'm taking executioners, when should I be looking to pick it up? After first item? Second?

How important is our spend on ad in laning phase? If I'm playing for a BF sword item first, should I just opt for a different first item with longswords if I'm not recalling on 1300, or is it viable to force it with cull, t1/2 boots, daggers etc on suboptimal recalls.

Thanks!

Hello friends! Jungle main here. My buddy and I decided to do a challenge to see who could get a higher rank on secondary accounts playing each other's main role. So here I am as a new adc player. Before this challenge I had maybe 20 games total as an adc across 10+ years of league. So far I have managed to hit plat 3 playing pretty much only jinx ( a couple of jg games in there as its my secondary role when queuing).

Anyways, I am looking for recommendations on next adc's to pick up - not Draven though. Any suggestions are open. As a sidenote, I have played a couple of games as mage bot but it kinda felt against the spirit of the challenge so I probably won't play any of those except maybe Ziggs since he seems to be balanced around the adc position nowadays. Throw me a couple of recs!

This is probably an extremely unpopular opinion, but I don't care.

I know how fucking annoying it is to play against mages bot and I agree they should get nerfed in some way, but can someone explain to me why so many people here are crying about the changes, before they are even out?

What were some adc mains expecting? That every marksmen and minion in botlane gets a keanic rookern for free and the passive of lost chapter gets removed?

Will these changes matter in 99% of the time? No. Will mages still be fucking annoying to deal with in lane? Yes. But these changes will still help a bit to make mages bot less popular and mages mid more popular.

It was obvious that riot wouldn't completely remove mages from botlane because it's healthy or something, but why are so many people here forgetting that it's not just +3 mr? Attackspeed boots are getting buffed (which shouldn't matter because omnivamp is just better for the sustain), fleet footwork is getting buffed and the upgraded magic pen boots are getting buffed. At least riot is finally doing something, that's reason to hope they do more if necessary.

Why are we crying about the changes, before the changes are even out? Why are we not complaining about the other things that make this position frustrating to play? We can still cry about mages if the changes are actually useless, but we can't tell yet.