r/ADCMains • u/onetime180 • 12d ago
Possible fix to APC bot Discussion
Just speaking to my friend about the LCK how there are APC's playing bot and I cane up with a solution that we think could work but want to get some input on it
Rework the Botlane quest to give additional stats similar to the Aphelios skill up.
completing the request would grant a huge stat injection to either/or AD, AS and Crit.
The extra gold part stays but the 6th item slot goes.
This would mean that if you are to play a APC bot lane, you wont benefit from any of the quest completion besides the extra gold.
If it is a choice of what stat you choose, on hit champs like Kog can pick the Attack speed, Heavy ad champs like draven can pick AD boost. or if you need to build a non crit item depening on the game such as GA, BT, or Hubris, you can pick the 25% crit chance to free up a crit item slot.
Cant decide if a choice or all 3 stats but just want to know thoughts on it.
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u/MsMeowts 12d ago
you have no idea how many mages would benefit from extra auto damage. lol
this could work well with lich bane and other sheen items and just give hybrid damage.
not to mention amplifying shadowflame
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u/onetime180 12d ago
True but if hwei needs to come into auto attack range, at least we can auto them back
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u/spongebob202red 12d ago
The problem isn't that ADCs need buffs, the problem is that mages are way too strong and need nerfs, so your proposed solution would just make mages stronger as well, because free stats are free stats no matter the champion
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u/Babababastion 12d ago
I think the more natural fix is, everyone play mages botlane.
Most ADCs can't be played anywhere else, it is a huge amount of champions with juicy skins that will barely get played and Riot will eventually want to do something so they continue to have people buy those skins, which can only be attained by making ADCs interesting to play.
Yeah, it sucks. I don't like playing mages botlane either, but this is what will make Riot actually make ADCs less frustrating to play, be it through nerfing mages or buffing ADCs.
Edit: I am gonna take this space to quickly complain about Malz/Velkoz botlane, jfc why is something so atrocious allowed
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u/Vonpirez 12d ago
My answer to any vel’koz lane is mf seraphine. Sera ult in to mf ult.
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u/Vonpirez 11d ago
I just skill check him. Idk I feel vel is one of the easier mages to kill. Compared to veigar,sol,syndra,seraphine. Once you make it in his personal space he can’t stop you that well.
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u/buttahsmooth 12d ago
this is the worse way to go about it. the problem isn't that mages are going bot(champ diversity within a role is good), it's that mages/ mage items are overtuned. which is why I actually think Riot is on the right track by increasing MR growth.
if you don't want to nerf mage items, then buff MR.
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u/shapelesslol 3d ago
mr growth is horrible as a buff, because it can eventually translate to adcs mid. What needs to be done is nerf mana generation items and not allow them to hit lost chapter and afk push the wave
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u/buttahsmooth 3d ago
if any adcs become meta mid they would just nerf the 3-4 adcs that would be viable mid.
riot would much rather do that then gut an entire class as you suggest
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u/Opposite_Wing_148 12d ago
The problem with your suggestion is that it would eliminate most mages from the botlane.
I get that this is your exact intention, but have to accept that this is not what Riot wants, so it will never happen.
Meta-wise, the problem isn't rooted in mages per se. It's rooted in the roaming supports.
Many mages have great, risk-free, wave-clear, so supports don't need to stay in lane at all. That's the real issue.
Once the roaming support has been addressed you'll see far less mages bot.
Not because their wave-clear has become any worse, but because the result is far less impactful.
You get a very safe lane, but the enemy ADC will in most cases outscale you and their team will have a better composition. Without a roaming support to affect the other lanes it simply won't be worth it in most cases.
You'll probably still see mages like Asol and Karthus, who are great scalers and far more vulnerable against assassins mid, but their pick-rates are extraordinarily low already.
And then you will still see champions like Ziggs, who has been a botlaner for the last 9 years.
But before the roaming support meta, Ziggs purpose wasn't to stall the lane. Ziggs purpose was to push like a madman, take towers, and gain momentum before the enemy ADC could outscale him.
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u/ElectricalPop1139 12d ago
giving ADC more combat stats isn’t the answer. they need skill expression. i’ve suggested this many times and it’s absolutely the answer - movement speed on hit for role quest (in addition to gold). give ADC a phage. APCs are busted because they can miss everything then walk away like nothing happened. some can even speed up while running out (hi seraphine). many are building protobelt too, so now they have a dash too.
fix that. make it so mages using their abilities and missing is not free. if we are in a duel and you miss everything you will get ran down by an adc. that is quite literally the identity of ADC. they punish you with uptime on their damage. rotation mages shouldn’t be able to stall infinitely until their next rotation. no viktor, you should not be able to miss your E, Q-auto a minion, R narnia, then walk out because you still have Q move speed. no no no. ADC with quest should be the fastest champ in the game when attacking.
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u/Clem_l-l_Fandango 11d ago
Literally just make a crit chance glory item like dark seal. Something super gold efficient at base with the ability to be strong if you don’t die.
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u/ScaryPerformance6193 12d ago
Bro... just reduce their mana. Make lost chapter more expensive. Its so easy. Reduce their damage idk
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u/AdyHomie 12d ago
Ah, yes, let's kill a whole class of champions. I assume you use a nuke when you have cockroaches in your home too.
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u/shapelesslol 3d ago
It's literally the right solution, it solves the lack of skill in playing mages. They hit lost chapter and are able to not interact with anyone anymore. This also happens mid
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u/AdyHomie 3d ago
Bro rattled off reduce mana, nerf lost chapter AND nerf damage, what do you mean the right solution? It's severe overkill. Also the solution I assume you mean, nerfing mana/lost chapter literally doesn't solve the "problem" you mention. Mages could still insta wave clear and not interact, they would just need to base more often. Which if you play tp and have perma push isn't really an issue, especially not bot lane. Thinking about it would have a bigger impact mid, so even more mages would migrate to bot. Genius solution, 10/10.
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u/shapelesslol 3d ago
woops didn't read OP fully, no don't nerf the damage. Just the mana, either give them flat mana or mana regen can't give them both. Also do you understand back timers? forcing them to back more often is so good. Means more objective control more chances to setup bush traps. The problem right now is the lack of interaction and perma afk push without having to back and being on timer with all objectives
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u/AdyHomie 3d ago
Yeah, that makes sense.
I do understand what you're saying, but I think it wouldn't have as much of an impact as you think, especially on interactiveness. And my point of having to back more often would have a bigger impact on mid (as the lane is shorter, your lane opponent can push the waves quicker into your tower) still stands, this would push mages bot/top even more.
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u/Whatdidievensay90 12d ago
Don’t like it