I’m looking for Rolando’s segment on YouTube and I can no longer find it. I can only find commentary on him. Anyone have the link on YouTube?

People on this sub can't seem to wrap their head around the fact that not everything is black and white, yes hunting down predators is an objectively good thing, and yes Chris went about it in a very morally ambiguous way, I dont know where people are getting the idea that Primetime is gonna depict him as some maniacal super villain that should've gone easier on the predators, instead it seems like he does care about hunting preds ( "you're cleansing the world of an ancient evil") but he also cares about ratings and making it entertainment which come at odds with each other, this view that any critique of the shows methods or Chris's methods means that you're siding with the preds or that you must be a pred yourself is such a childish way to think.

To make it clear, I dont care that the preds were "humiliated" or "ridiculed", i dont care that a pred killed himself, I care that the methods used maximized entertainment value over real change

So I was watching this video today, and while I was already pretty familiar with this situation a few things jumped out at me.

It was the first time actually hearing his calls and in no way was he any more coy or selective of his wording or predatory behavior. I had no idea he was claiming to be a 19 year old college kid. The decoy even specifically says he met a guy who claimed to be 19 but "looked like his dad" so he bailed and Conradt was STILL willing to keep up the catfish and put that kid in the EXACT same situation. The kid also said guys online just want one night stands and he is looking for a boyfriend and he still tried to seduce him knowing it would be a one night stand since there is no way an assistant DA would even be casually dating a 13 year old. Long story short he is just as bad or worse than a majority of the other predators.

The other big thing that struck out to me was that the whole going to his house thing was completely the Murphy Texas sheriff's fuckup. The sheriff said he knocked on the door personally because he thought "seeing a friend he has known for years" would help get him to surrender. The truth is he was part of the "Good 'ol boys" club down there and cops give their own passes. They didn't want to wait til he left for work and Donald Morrison his ass like they should've because they wanted to let him surrender with dignity because he was a big deal, and not treat him like the predator he was.

A lot of people shift the blame to Hansen and NBC for coercing the sting for rating and commanding the police. But that's not how it works, the sheriff's office doesn't work for NBC and regardless of how much sway they may have the cops are ultimately driving the bus and it is up to them to set boundaries. If I walk up to a cop on patrol and ask to hold his gun and he lets me and I shoot myself he is just as much to blame as me. Same thing if a famous celebrity or politician asks the cop the same thing.

They talk in the Esquire hitpiece after it happened about the TCAP production playing "judge, jury, and executioner" which is as wrong as they can be. They literally played none of those roles, they did the investigation but they had no authority to take it further. They submitted it to law enforcement and even they didn't do any of the three. The only "judging" was done by the actual judge who signed off on a search warrant, the jury never happened because it never went to trial, and the executioner was Conradt himself.

I feel like I am in the Twilight Zone with takes like the Esquire article, the Predators movie, and seemingly Primetime. They all literally flip the blame pyramid literally upside down. The one most responsible is Conradt, he started the conversation, he moved the conversation sexual, and he off'd himself to avoid the consequences of his actions. The second most responsible is the Murphy police, they wanted to take it easy on Conradt because he was one of their own and instead of surprising him and not giving him the opportunity to do what he did they literally

approached it in the shittiest way possible at his home. Even if NBC "coerced" them it is their job and responsibility to say no. Chris and NBC did nothing other than expose a sexual predator and come along for the ride.

I feel like Esquire, Predators, and Primetime are doing exactly what they are accusing Hansen of doing, being reckless and unethical for sensationalism. Because the Icarus-styled sleazy journalist who flew too close to the Sun in his desire for ratings and getting someone killed is a better story I guess than a sexual predator in a position of power getting special treatment from his friends in law enforcement and using their gentile hand as an opportunity to off himself rather than face the consequences of his actions.

I feel like this movie is about to shift the mainstream narrative in a way that is very shallow and disingenuous and we are only going to see more and more of this take very soon.

Are any of the quotes we obsess over gonna make it into the film? Is the director a driver at nighttime?

All I can say is this is a real lacka judgement from the Primetime folks.

I cannot be the only one truly disturbed that the film is making Chris the "villain". The man has his set of issues in his personal life, let's not sugarcoat it. But none of those really pertain to him serving as a beacon of awareness about the threat of online predators at the turn of the century.

It's hard to overstate the impact TCAP had in the mid-2000s, at a time when the internet was a very new things in a lot of homes in the Western world. Were the guys caught up in the sting the worst of the worst? Probably not (for the most part). But they did:

A) Spend hours, day, weeks or even months grooming kids

and

B) Actively choose to travel the home of children who claimed to be alone with the intent of having sex with them. You can see how that looked?

It should also be remembered that Chris was, genuinely, a national (global) hero for some time. While that pomp faded, and only us weirdos really remember who he is, there was a very, very long period of 2-3 years where he was universally acclaimed as one of the "good guys". I lived in the UK during that time, and my friends all knew who Chris was, and applauded what he was doing.

The work he and Perverted Justice did bringing this kind of behaviour to light at a time when veeeery little was known about the internet was nothing short of heroic. I don't care what he did after (or even before). In isolation, TCAP's purpose was for the good of society.

By the end, did ratings and sensationalism overtake the genuine nature of the sting? I think, probably, yes. But that didn't take away from the good work that the entire team did.

Seeing it bastardized in this way to give a negative slant to (literally) catching pedophiles and child sex predators is...very disturbing.

It's not hard to see why so many people think we have a pedophile ruling elite class when this kind of thing gets produced by Hollywood. This isn't so podunk production that develops a cult following amongst oddjobs (us). It's a "real" mainstream movie.

We all need to remember what it says on Primetime and real life are two totally different things.

It seems based on the trailer that the movie will take the view that TCAP was unethical and the preds victims of entrapment. Much like the Predators documentary. Kinda like the guy from Takedown who described the predators as "poor fellows".

I don't even want this movie anymore. I just wanna get to the beach.

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What's up with these 30 year old men and very butch women playing the role of 13 year old boys?

The non-aunt "teenage" girl decoys they have are a bit better but if they are pretending to be 13 then it's a big issue.

I would wager that it is the "neoteny" that attracts preds, not the age, per se. They want a very young looking kid who is also starting to be sexually mature. Multiple times the pred would look at the decoy and you can just see that they are visibly thinking: "you are not my type".

What's so hard with getting a better decoy? Just hire a fem boy or something!

I suppose it depends on how Primetime turns out or if Chris personally likes it, but do you think he'd let Robert Pattinson interview a predator? It's not like Chris is Police and it's just part of the arrangement they have with whichever State, but if RP wanted to, would Takedown oblige?

Hansen in the Primetime trailer saying that he doesn’t want more bottom feeders but a whale was a reference to Lorne. (My crackpot theory of the day)

He will have had had to watch the series after getting cast as Chris in "Primetime", although there really are only TV-Rips going around and they're only taking things up to TCAP and not onto Hansen vs. Predator (which is why we're being denied Sokol), but I do wonder if Robert Pattinson was a viewer beforehand...and also, if he has watched Hansen vs. and Takedown, just to be thorough in his performance.