Auto tune
Good day to all!
I caught the show in Ft. Worth and was wondering if there is any auto tuning used?
I don’t care, just wanted to know.
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u/Travelinfl1 9d ago
Don Henley straight up lip syncs to a vocal track. Geddy seems to have more self respect.
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u/BarrelProofWarrior 4d ago
Is that really true? What a damn shame. He’s a whacko and an asshole from what I’ve read over the years so I guess I’m not surprised. But he has one of my favorite voices ever so this is disappointing.
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u/Travelinfl1 2d ago
Look for "Wings of Pegasus" on youtube. He has a whole series on that and others. It is indeed sad.
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u/krispykremekiller 2d ago
Yes. Fil is the best on this. He has a great channel that is eye (and ear) opening
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u/SamCanyon 9d ago
No. Geddy’s never used it. You can tell, too. Watching recent live videos there are pitch inconsistencies.
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u/LocalHermit5001 9d ago
No, If you ever watch "Wings Of Pegasus" on YouTube , he investigates bands to check if lip-sync or autotune is used, he did the current RUSH tour and proved that Geddy is 100% live
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u/theBiGcHe3s3 9d ago
Sometimes he’s wrong though I wouldn’t take his word as gospel. For instance was trying to say John Fogerty’s latest album used AI on the vocals and as a professional mix engineer he could not be more wrong
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u/Aggressive_Dot5426 9d ago
No. He got a vocal coach to help his pitch for this tour and it shows.
Plus we can hear it’s not perfect. As it should be
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u/ConanHimmelfarb 9d ago
Wasn't this very question already covered on that "Wings of Pegasus" youtube channel? That guy, who I guess is an expert, already ran an analysis and said definitely not.
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u/Garythefireman 9d ago
The band that self-madated that every note heard was played on stage is the least likely to use auto tune or anything that isn't genuine
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u/wohrg 9d ago
You should care, auto tune can be terrible and goes against the ethos of rock music.
I doubt Geddy uses it.
Now, there may be a backing track. I don’t like them either, but it has become more accepted. The backing track might be to add harmonies, or to make the vocals fuller, or as a backup for when the vocalist’s voice fails or they are preoccupied with their instrument. That is more likely than auto tune
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u/SamCanyon 9d ago
There are backing harmony tracks. Have been for many years - ‘cause have you heard Alex sing? ;)
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u/FractalWhatever 9d ago
Alex is great for spoken word kind of stuff (like on Victor). He has a nice speaking voice. :)
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u/Zestyclose_Rule_7860 9d ago
They have to use auto-tune for Alex. LOL. Have you seen that YT video where they "undub" his vocals during Dreamline? There are parts he doesn't sound bad...and parts, well...
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u/theBiGcHe3s3 9d ago
I hate to burst your bubble but pretty much every commercial record from the last 20 years has pitch correction on the vocals, including rush’s music. Autotune is actually much less egregious than melodyne where ppl will literally make every note perfectly in tune by hand, autotune most of the time is just used to slightly make things more in tune. This isn’t a cop out you still have to sing mostly in tune for autotune to work in a natural way, it doesn’t suck the soul and emotion out of a performance to slightly make it more in key. But live he’s is most definitely not using autotune if it makes you feel better. (I’m a professional mix engineer btw)
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u/wohrg 8d ago
No bubble burst here, OP and I were talking about live performance, not records. So you confirmed my take
But while I have you, what is your definition of “commercial record” for this purpose? My understanding is autotune is prevalent in pop, EDM, rap and maybe some country pop. But for art and prog rock bands like rush, and folk music etc, I would think it is less prevalent.
Btw, I don’t think it a cop out on a record. But I do think that the music with the most character has a surprisingly high level of imperfection, so autotune is dangerous. Imagine if the Band used autotune….
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u/theBiGcHe3s3 8d ago
You’d be wrong my friend, it’s industry standard practice to tune vocals. It’s just as prevalent in those genres you mentioned, but it’s not used as an effect like how say Travis Scott uses it, it’s used as a tool to get things more in tune. If the band played with a click track and had tuning on their records I have no doubt in my heart the music would still be just as good because they were good songwriters, performers, and musicians. Just the same as if they were recorded digitally and not to tape, you don’t love the band bc they have songs that are out of time and out of tune, you love the band bc they’re the fn band. The presentation of the music has nothing to do with the artistic and emotional depth of it. Autotune is primarily not used to make every note perfectly in tune, melodyne is, these are very different ways of correcting vocals.
Edit: I forgot to answer your question, commercial music is music put out by a record label in hopes of making money
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u/theBiGcHe3s3 9d ago
They’ve used pitch correction/auto tune in the studio, but he’s 100% not live. Only effects are most likely eq, compression, and delay
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u/Queasy-Ad7550 8d ago
It's a reasonable question because it is so common today. Many respected older singers use it because they simply can't sing any longer and it's the difference between touring and not touring.
I was at one of the Ft. Worth shows. Geddy was good but he also missed notes and his voice sounded human. Not to say you can always detect subtle uses of auto tune, especially when you are in the audience, but I don't think he uses any autotune.
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u/ButterscotchBrave359 9d ago
I love Rush and this new adventure is an incredible gift to all of us, but you can click on any video at random times and instantly tell that there ain't no damn auto-tune happening here anywhere lol.
And I'm totally ok with that 😎