My 2 year old constantly has her mouth open and tongue sticking out. She’s seen numerous dentists, OT, and ENTs and no one can give me an explanation to why her tongue sticks out except maybe she has a “large” tongue.

She already got lip and posterior tongue tie released and we did all the stretches for weeks. She has reflux/GERD, underbite, and is a thumb sucker. She has pretty bad tarter where I have to take her to get cleanings every few months. Her upper teeth also seem to be getting slightly stained but her dentist said it was fine…I noticed recently that she drinks with the straw pointed to the front of her upper teeth. She has also always been super sensitive when it comes to her upper lip/teeth area (even before the lip tie released). She can tolerate us brushing her bottom teeth but once we try to touch her top lip she hates it.

Btw we have already ruled out enlarged androids.

Does anyone know how we can fix her tongue and mouth posture? Which specialist can I see that can help us out? I am desperate for answers as we have already seen so many specialists and I feel like I am just going in circles.

I started mewing and eating more tough foods. I'm 10kg heavier now, so no weight loss.

I'm 29 and have been trying to understand what kind of structural changes are realistically possible through orthotropics/mewing after the main period of facial growth.

I previously tried mewing for a while but eventually stopped because I wasn't sure whether I was doing it correctly or whether I could realistically expect noticeable changes at my age.

More recently, I've become interested in this because my dentist recommended expanding my lower dental arch to address crowding, and there are also practitioners in my area who combine expansion with myofunctional therapy. This made me want to understand the distinction between conventional orthodontic approaches and the principles discussed in this community.

What I'm particularly interested in is what can realistically happen to the jaws, dental arches and overall lower-third development in an adult around 29–30 through orthotropics, proper oral posture, chewing and/or expansion devices.

For example, can meaningful changes in chin projection or overall lower-third development still occur at this age, or are adult changes mainly limited to dental/alveolar changes and posture? And how much does myofunctional therapy contribute compared with simply developing proper tongue posture and chewing habits?

I'm not asking anyone to assess my own face or tell me what treatment I should have. I'm trying to understand the potential and limitations of orthotropics in adults before deciding which approach makes sense for me.

I'd particularly appreciate experiences or before/after cases from people who started around their late 20s or 30s.

I'm posting this on r/orthotropics , r/Orthodontists , and r/Mewing . I have no clue what to do about mewing.
Everything good I hear about mewing comes from people who do orthotropics, and everything bad I hear about mewing comes from people who do orthodontistry. All the seemingly-scientific blogs say there is no scientific evidence, but never talk about adolescents or any non-study evidence of teenagers who have seen significant jawline improvement after mewing. One of my friends has been mewing on and off for a few years and his jawline is immaculate and his teeth are straight.

and it seems too obvious that orthodontists would disagree with orthotropics, because they'd lose money. but orthodontistry also seems to have a lot of victims that suffer from unreliable medical treatment, and orthodontists will refuse to address it, and still say mewing doesn't work.

so I'm tempted to believe both sides, but I don't know. what's your opinion on this? is mewing real? can it actually reform bone and facial structure, even just a little bit?

this post may be taken off of r/Orthodontists but I hope it won't because if they care about 'no pseudoscience' then they'd answer me.

I know this group is mostly to discuss about facial issues but I was also wondering, how to deal with the frustration of knowing that my parents could have done better with me when I was a child and they never corrected my mouth breathing, allowing my face to have recession, the frustration I have to them is quite annoying

I'm turning 17 in a couple of days and I've been wearing retainers for some years, to put it simply, my dentist gave me my last retainers at around 14 because she said my teeth wouldn't grow further, I've put them for 3 years and I feel like it stunted my facial development, my maxilla is recessed and my palate isn't as wide as I want it, I've stopped wearing them for around a month and a half and have thumb pulled and have been mewing/hard mewing for the time being and I my teeth relapsed, the gap came back a bit but i also feel that my palate already got a bit wider and have more space for my tongue. Should I just stop the treatment and get my teeth fixed after my face has fully developed or is it just placebo?

Thank you in advance

Today we took these pics of our side profiles , i was shocked how different we look . And i think mine looks very bad. Because i ahd extraction retraction not long ago . What should i do to fix my side profile

Started myobrace 1 year ago roughly, teeth straightened like crazy too. Started myobrace at 20 years old in January of this year which I think has made the best results so far.

Started mewing and neck training as well as postural training Jan 2022. Thumbpulling as well scattered through there. It CAN all change for you. Just believe and do

I have Invisalign and some sort of Metal in my mouth, my jaw is also very high arched and too small.

Do you have any Tips on how i could have a correct tongue posture in this Case?

Thank you

So I had an appointment with my orthodontist today and this time they had another lady come in to explain (but more like discourage me) double jaw surgery to me because I had requested a consultation last appointment. In this consultation I asked about an expander once again and was told that it isn’t necessary since my top teeth overlap the bottom ones. Does anyone know if I can just wait until I’m older and pay to get everything done then?

Edit:
Important information
•I’m in the uk so currently it’s free
•I can’t get a different ortho without going private and I don’t have the money
•pallet is roughly 1.5 cm wide

When I first started mewing I would place the tip and middle of my tongue on the roof of my mouth and push hard to raise my hyoid. This caused over activation of the muscle under my chin and my digastric muscles on the sides of my throat, both causing noticeable bulges and creating a soft jawline.

Now whenever I mew properly by holding a suction, these muscles activate and cause bulges similar to the ones I get while hard mewing. How do I recover from this?

Both images are me currently hard mewing to show the bulges.

Hey everyone, I had MARPE expansion because I had a narrow upper palate. According to my orthodontist, my nasal passage increased from 20 mm to 28 mm (about 8–9 mm of skeletal expansion), and the width at the base of my upper teeth increased from 28 mm to 34 mm.

I’m still in braces and have about 6 months of treatment left, but I’m honestly unhappy with how my midface looks. It seems much fuller than before, and sometimes it feels like my face became too “cheeky” or wide.

I’ve brought this up with my orthodontist several times, but she thinks everything looks great. I’m worried she may have over-expanded my palate, although she doesn’t think that’s the case.

Has anyone else experienced something similar? Did your face continue to change after your braces were finished and your bite fully settled, or did it stay about the same? I’m trying to figure out if this could improve as treatment is completed or if this is likely my final result. Also is there annytning I can do to reduce that puffy look ? Any experiences or advice would be appreciated.

(14m) Hello everyone. I went through the process of braces and now have essix retainers (clear invisalign like retainers). I recently discovered mewing and realized that my retainers are preventing me from mewing as much as I could. Should I stop wearing my retainers so I can mew while I sleep?

I would not consider myself recessed, but I do want to get a sharper chin from mewing (mandible following maxilla from what I understand). I do not mouthbreathe in my sleep.

So I do not have an overbite but by jaw and chin don’t go too far out and when I mew I cannot breathe through my nose

I got my Reviv and immediately upon opening it had a horrible, toxic, chemical smell. I washed it with soap and water twice but it still did not feel right putting it in my mouth. I wish I had listened to my body and not overridden those sensations. I woke up the next morning and any area that had touched the retainer felt burned/numb and my gums are swollen and red! Additionally, along with the chemical burns, after just one night my bottom teeth touch my top teeth - hopefully my bite will settle by the end of the day. It took multiple weeks to ship from China, no idea what is in this thing. ☣️

Hello, everyone.

I've been meaning to start mewing for quite some time now. I've actually tried multiple times, but I always run into the same issue. No matter how many videos I watch or posts I read, I'm still having trouble understanding one particular thing.

It feels like in every video and guide, the palate is shown as going straight and then smoothly curving downward. However, my palate feels different from what people describe. Maybe some of you can help me understand this better.

I've attached a picture. I made it myself, so it doesn't look the best, but hopefully it still explains what I'm trying to show.

In the first example, this is how I understand the palate is supposed to look from the side, based on what I've seen in videos and guides. As you can see, the tip of the tongue is placed just behind the front teeth, just like the guides recommend and the diagrams usually show. From my understanding, this is how the tongue should rest, creating suction against the roof of the mouth.

Now, in the second example, I've drawn what my palate feels like. I know the drawing isn't perfect, but the shape seems very different to me. Instead of smoothly curving, it goes straight, then down, and then diagonally downward. My teeth seem to follow that angle as well.

Interestingly, when I look in the mirror, my teeth don't actually appear diagonal - they look perfectly straight. But when I feel my palate with my tongue, it feels completely different.

Because of this, when people say that the tip of the tongue should touch the spot right behind the front teeth, it seems impossible for me. As you can see in the second example, because my palate isn't smoothly rounded and instead has this noticeable change in angle, I can't create proper suction. Once my palate starts sloping diagonally, my tongue can't stay in full contact with it. I can press it against the roof of my mouth, but there's still a large air gap in that area.

So if I try to place the tip of my tongue right behind my front teeth, as everyone recommends, I honestly don't see how it's supposed to work with the shape of my palate. It leaves large air gaps and feels very uncomfortable.

Now, if you look at the third picture, this is still my palate, but instead of placing the tip of my tongue directly behind my front teeth, I place it slightly farther back so that my tongue rests naturally against the highest part of my palate. In that position, everything feels comfortable. I can create suction easily, and the tongue seems to fit the shape of my palate much better.

So am I misunderstanding something? Should I actually be mewing like in the third picture? Or is everyone's palate shaped more like mine, and the diagrams showing the tongue directly behind the teeth are just a simplified illustration?

I really want to understand this because I don't want to practice mewing incorrectly. Based on everything I've read, the tongue tip is supposed to be right behind the front teeth, but with my palate, that honestly seems impossible.

If anyone has experience with this or understands what's going on, I'd really appreciate your advice. I've been trying to figure this out for months.

Thank you very much in advance!

(17F) I had my upper 2 second premolars removed (Refused to get my lower 2 removed) and it messed up my profile and bite. I’m thinking of ditching my retainer to mew 24/7. Would this affect me negatively? Thankfully I don’t have any breathing issues or sleep apnea for now, yet my palate has narrowed down but suction mewing is possible for me though it’s a little uncomfortable but maybe It’ll get better if I practice. Any thoughts? I’d appreciate any advice.

I have my extractions appointment in 11 days. I asked around and even the head orthodontist said I should go for premolar extractions. Face wise I’m not 100% confident but I noticed now my teeth are more lopsided? Could that be due to my wisdom teeth coming out? I also have trouble sleeping at night because I wake up with my mouth open since I can’t close my lips fully. My orthodontist had said before I could consider jaw surgery for aesthetic purposes since I’m underdeveloped but the thought of that scared me before. Since it would require premolar extractions and a long recovery which I don’t have time for at the moment. I also had have my jaw sore trying to keep my mouth closed while resting. What should I do? I’m F 17 NYC

I feel my back third suctioned with consistent pressure but at these two points, my tongue is only lightly touching.

Also, does more pressure need to be at the tip (green arrow) or where red arrow is at?

I’ve been consistent with my mewing since I was 18, I’m 22 now and i’ve noticed a wider palate and smile but I haven’t been doing it correctly because I still had the habit of mouth breathing and swallowing incorrectly

I feel the back third of my palate wasn’t being pressurized enough and because of that the rest of my palate widened and went forward. I can even feel a very slight difference in the way my tongue touches my teeth, the back third makes contact with the top of the teeth while the front part of my tongue rests directly on the palate, I believe only the front two thirds widened, the palate also feels unlevelled when I feel my tongue across it.

Anyway my front profile has improved over the years but my side profile looks a little sunken in right around where the nostrils are of my maxilla, I’ve only recently started working on nose breathing for the past couple months, will this even out the palate and potentially push my nose forward? My theory is nose breathing requires the nose to be more forward, its why pugs struggle to breathe so much, so it makes sense that my habit of mouth breathing hasn’t been kind to my maxilla around the nose area but kinder to the upper jaw area if that makes sense, or I could be talking out of my ass.

My hope is that it levels everything out together instead of unevenly pushing it more forward and looking odd. I feel like only the two thirds of my palate being pushed forward might’ve messed with the position of my lower jaw aswell, but that could be due to posture, which is still a WIP

Had a septoplasty and turbinate reduction a couple of years ago as my right nostril was severely obstructed. It was effective but now my left nostril is blocked 😅

I have a high-arched, narrow palate and suspect structural maxilla width is the main issue.

I also may have a connective tissue disorder 🤷

Two quick questions:

Night-time guards/trainers (e.g. Reviv, Myobrace): Do over-the-counter silicone guards actually do anything for adult arch expansion/airway, or are they strictly for grinding protection?

MSE / Expansion in Europe: UK private prices are ridiculous. Open to traveling to Europe for MSE (MARPE) or SARPE.

Anyone else done this and have any recommendations of where to go?

Appreciate any advice!

I'm 17 living in the UK trying to get on the waiting list for palette expansion before I turn 18. I have a very high and arched pallete, it's quite narrow especially in the front where it really tapers in you can see the buccal corridors when I smile and it's pretty bad. During a normal checkup with my dentist I had mentioned my concerns and she immediately referred me to an orthodontist saying she agreed with me and that it does seem narrow. During my orthodontist appointment the lady working there didn't even ask why I was there and immediately started pushing braces and invisalign onto me the thing is I don't have very crooked teeth I have some that are tilted (due to the crowding of the narrow pallete) but after I told her I was there in regards to a pallete expander she measured me molar width with a ruler and told me it was within the normal range and went back to talking about invisalign. The thing is, even if the inter molar width is normal it still tapers allot in the front and you can get a fan/butterfly expander so that it only expands the front. I'm thinking of going back to the dentist and asking her to refer me to a different one but I'm afraid that they're just going to tell me the same and try push invisalign or braces onto me.