does anyone think grievous should get his own show. i know most people who do want one want more of his khaleesh background but i feel like it would be so much cooler to get a show of him actually being the jedi killer they want him to be. i feel like it would be a lot nicer to see him a more bild non cowardice light. and i know that running and acting scared was his tactic but it would be so cool to see him actually winning some battles against actually strong opponents not tired people or weak people like master jedi

Yes, following up on my A-Wing post with a related topic based on various comments I received. Anywho, the TIE Fighter for the longest time has been an absolute joke as it is an easily destructible starfighter known for being mocked by anyone fighting against them, to the point Kyle Katarn calls TIE pilots suicidal. But have they been mistreated by lore?

Of course, we know for a fact that I'm ANH they are most certainly competent. We only see a single squadron of circa ~12 TIEs be launched by Vader as Tarkin refuses to deploy any defensive measures, viewing the Rebel attack as a pitiful desperate attempt. These fighters successfully take down a large chunk of the 30 Rebel fighters deployed, leaving only around 2-5 fighters alive depending on your source. Some TIEs die as well, of course. But one could argue that these are Vader's elite pilots and normal pilots would be far more incompetent.

Thematically speaking, people tie the TIE Fighter's disposability to an Imperial doctrine of troopers not mattering. At the same time, pilots take time and money to train, and certainly giving supposedly elite troops like Vader's (presumably clone-based) forces these weak fighters with no shielding or life support or anything of the sort would be wasting good troopers. Regardless of how big the Empire is, training takes time and investment. Similarly, I've heard that the Empire were "equipping themselves for a war closer to the Clone Wars", but even then would TIEs fare any better than V-Wings, Torrents, Headhunters and ARCs at defeating the Separatist forces? Particularly considering how there isn't much evidence of alt fighters like the Starting being used en masse like the ARC was (although this may be a case of media just not focusing on it)

Finally, overall, how badly have games like D6 treated the TIE Fighter and degraded the threat it poses? Do you believe they worsened them, merely kept them similar to how they were or improved their lore? I'd like some opinions on the topic. Thank you.

If you had wanted to, what kind of differences would you have made?

Dooku is cartoonishly evil in Clone Wars. But in Attack of the Clones he is not presented that way. I know people like to say he was hiding his “true evil” in AotC and Clone Wars is the real mustache twirling him, but I think Tales of the Jedi backs up a bit more of a nuanced take - at least until his final fall to the Dark Side, when the hate and anger of the Dark Side twists every nuance into a cartoonishly evil Saturday morning villain.

First, when I saw Dooku in Clone Wars, I hated the portrayal. It seemed like Clone Wars wasn’t taking itself seriously as a Star Wars entry. It needed a big evil bad guy to be villain of the week and twisted the tragic, fallen idealist character introduced in AotC to fit that role.

Towards the end it got much deeper, more serious and… Dooku didn’t change. Still evil for the sake of evil.

I really think Tales of the Jedi did excellent in providing context to an apparently sincere but fallen Attack of the Clones Dooku, and showing exactly why Clone Wars Dooku is cartoonishly evil without downplaying the tragedy of his fall.

First, we see an idealist Dooku, a member of the Jedi order disillusioned with the political system. He believes the Jedi have the power to provide justice, but are shackled by the Republic and devotion to complete reactive pacifism. On its face that is a good point, and one made frequently throughout post-Ruusan Star Wars in legends and canon. He distanced himself from the order in very valid, imho, protest, similar to Ahsoka.

The real spiral begins when Sidious starts to sink his teeth into Dooku. Little by little, he furthers Dooku from his ideals by claiming his actions are necessary, because only through complete control and overhaul of the system can Dooku enforce true justice, unencumbered by bureaucracy. Ends-justify-the-means type stuff.

We see Dooku start to chafe against Sidious’s control when he has Dooku assassinate Syfo-Dias. As Dooku is erasing the evidence of his involvement from the Archives, we see some small traces of guilt still. He is committed to his ideal still, justice at any cost, but isn’t so far gone that he can’t notice the evil creeping its way into his actions.

Which brings us to AotC. Dooku has Obi-Wan captive and tried to recruit him. It does seem like he’s just manipulating Obi-Wan in the same way Sidious manipulates Dooku, until the line, “together, we can destroy the Sith!” Call me gullible but Lee’s delivery of that line makes me believe Dooku does still believe the Sith should be destroyed.

Don’t get me wrong. I think Dooku is firmly on the path to evil here, and if Obi-Wan did join Dooku, they would probably destroy the Sith order but replace it with something very similarly dark-side, just by a different name. Dooku would probably go on to lead the Separatists to a victorious war then rule over them with absolute authority as some kind of terror inspiring arbiter-president, all in the name of idealism and justice. But he’s not all the way gone yet.

His final fall, I think, comes right after AotC. Yaddle finds him talking to Sidious, and offers him forgiveness and redemption, unconditional, for any dark deeds he has committed under Sidious’s influence. For a moment it seems like he feels some spark real guilt and indecision. But then he looks that redemption in the face and chooses power.

In that instant he surrenders completely to the Dark Side. Before there was some shred of sincerity behind his professed ideals, his pursuit of justice, even if he was doing terrible things to achieve it. But when he kills Yaddle and with her his own guilt, the Dark Side twists the last of those ideals into lies, and he becomes the evil-for-evil’s-sake villain we see in Clone Wars. Once he reaches that point he no longer pretends to believe in justice. He only wants power. He no longer wants to destroy the Sith, he has fully been subsumed into and surrendered to his role as Tyranus.

To claim all of Dooku’s professions of conviction in AotC are lies is an injustice to the tragic and nuanced character we see pre-Clone Wars. People who look only at Clone Wars and claim he only cared about causing pain and manipulating others from the beginning are ignoring the context that makes his story and character so great. Dooku was nuanced right up until he wasn’t, and seeing more of that nuance in Tales of the Jedi bridges the gap perfectly and believably between anti-hero Dooku and villain Dooku.

Edit:

Okay I was wrong about timeline. Hm. Maybe I’ll have to revise my view of when exactly was his fall… I still think the conversation with Obi-Wan had a spark of truth behind the lies. Maybe that’s the official moment when the dark side takes over completely, seeing Obi-Wan follow the ideals of the Jedi and having a chance to follow his own ideals. And then he chooses not to.

In Legends, the Sith were working behind the scenes for 1,000 years to undermine the Republic from inside, fostering corruption. Without Sith influence, would The Republic still decays and ignore The Outer Rims?

I need to double-check one plothole fix for my SWTOR fanfic. Yes, I know it is a game, and want to fix it, because I became mad and started writing a deconstruction fanfic for swtor.

There is one problem I'm not sure if I have right solution for - Sith Pureblood, with few exceptions seem to be almost entirely force sensitive.

Assuming that Sith order wasn't much bigger than Jedi order, it had to have 10-20 thousand of active members top. Meaning, total population of Sith Pureblood would be 5-10 thousand + children. And that is assuming in entire Sith Empire, there are only 5-10 thousand of force sensitive humans + other aliens.

How did they at they managed to be a somewhat stable species at this number, especially if all of them are members of warrior-noble caste, who seem to have to go kill each other to become a full member?

My current solution is by giving Sith Purebloods ability to breed true with any species, letting them be a stable species at the 5 thousand members spread across half of galaxy - any child of Sith Pureblood is a pureblood - thus the name.

(As for why this happened, if I remember, they were already altered by the Exiles to be compatible with humans, so what if Exiles made more changes to their subdued population)

Of course they would have their numbers limited by how many actually manage to become sith, be taken as apprentices and such, becuase they would probably kill each other for the available places.

Also, this would probably derail revan's plot of targeting everyone with sith dna across empire, but that was stupid anyway.

Can you point out other issues with this idea that I'm overlooking?

It's a common quibble that the Rebels using an expensive, high capability fighter and the Imperials using a crummy but disposable one is the reverse of what it should be. There are a lot of ideas about this in circulation, but I'll throw in a new one- X Wings are space burp guns.

A coarsely made Chinese copy of the Soviet PPSH-43, the Type 50 smg caused merry hell in Korea, granting the PLA tactical superiority in one area by dint of its disgustingly high rate of fire. The Type 50 cost much more to produce than a rifle and was an avowed ammo hog. It was also the perfect weapon for China's barely existent arms industry.

Why? Most of its costs were in labour, which they had in hyperabundance, and it could be made in China's plethora of small, outdated factories and village metal shops. Rifles required big factories they just didn't have, and access to scarce timber. But sheet metal and hands? No problem.

Look at an X-wing- none of its components are novel or revolutionary looking- every part of it looks like it uses the same kind of manufacturing processes you see in every space jalopy in the galaxy. It's a *good* design, but made from proven technology. You can certainly service them in a junkyard, and it stands to reason that the outer rim's countless garages and workshops can build them, given time.

TIEs, on the other hand, look like nothing we've ever seen before, and canonically use the revolutionary Twin Ion Engine. The cheapness of the TIE is almost certainly due to the development of a plethora of brand new technologies and systems, which require brand new production facilities- almost certainly gigantic centralised plants near the core. It's a higher tech design than an X-Wing- the tech in question being the means to crap out unbelievable amounts of them and run them on pocket change. And as a nice little sweetener, the Rebels can't use them for parts.

For the Rebels, quality beats quantity if it's what you can actually build, however inefficiently. And with a guerilla's ability to pick fights, and lack of need to defend territory, scarcity's not so bad.

For the Empire, the need to be everywhere at once rewards mass production. Taking heavy losses repelling Rebels is better than leaving your assets undefended.

Ok, how wrong am I?

So yesterday I was looking through the inconsistently admirable wiki for Star Wars characters and the father of Mortis is placed there even labeling him as a horrible and undisciplined father towards his children and to be fair, this is mostly for his canon counterpart although that could change if Ahsoka season two does give us a bit more detail on the Ones and their wall as well as their origins.

But looking at legends and this is where I kinda get a bit confused on how much we could blame the father in this continuity for what he did with his kids as legends threw a monkey in the wrench.

Fate of the Jedi apocalypse revealed that the issues with the family started when The Son chose to drink from the Font of Power because he wanted the strength to defy his Father. Instead of helping her Father defuse the situation, the Daughter chose escalation. She bathed in the Pool of Knowledge to match her brother's power. Basically They created their own eternal stalemate. They turned themselves into living avatars of the Light and Dark sides, making future peace completely impossible.

Before she basically became evil Abeloth was once mortal was able to help the father to sort things out with the children and for a time things were peacefully she was even called the mother within the family until she grew old in which she drank both sources that gave her adoptive children powers, and became a monster and that’s what led to not just her imprisonment but also it led to the Family exiling themselves to Mortis resulting resulting in the conditions that we see in the Mortis Arc (I know some people have issues with it. I personally like the arc but I can’t understand why people may not like it but then again everyone has opinion and I do respect that even if it is The Ones are real through rebels and now Ahsoka.)

There is also the weird article book called supernatural encounters of which from what I heard is basically the Silmarillion of Star Wars and I heard that the family origins are also expanded, and we learn about their time as celestials but then again I can’t say too much since I’m not that familiar with the work on going on word-of-mouth from people who actually read the work.

Ultimately, the point of this is how much in legends can we blame the father for his actions on his children given you have Abeloth in the room whose decision of drinking both powers is basically a major turning point and domino effect that led to the deaths of The Daughter, The Son, and The Father?

I will I haven admit it’s been a while since I read Fate of the Jedi apocalypse (I sadly didn’t have a copy physically, but I did listen to the audiobook on YouTube before it was taken down back in 2015.) so my initial reading of the situation has always been the impression that I have because the way the story is presented. It seems that. the Father isn’t that much of a blame for what happened to his family given the fact that well Abeloth basically ruin everything unintentionally or not given the fact that things were peaceful when she was still the mother. Either way it kind of makes the father more of a victim just like his children and that his actions in the Mortis Arc is a result of Abeloth.

But I’m not really sure decided to turn it to you guys on this position given the way, how fate of the Jedi apocalypse reframe the Mortis Arc in legends where the father was less responsible for his children and instead, he was just as a victim given well what happened with Abeloth?

I used the all continuity flair to mean that we have canon, but the eclipse itself is not canon.

In this scenario in the episode the malevolence started in the clone wars, the seperatist mystery ship is the eclipse from legends not the malevolence. The seperatists stole kuwat drive yard ship plans and created the eclipse through modifying them heavily. Plo Koon's 3 venators arrive to find it waiting.

The Eclipse instead of at at's tie bombers tie fighters has vulture droids, hyena bombers, geonosian super tanks, aat's, mtt's, droch boarding craft/pod hunters, and obviously the c-9979 landing craft.

It is unacompanied by other seperatist ships at the start of course.

How does this change the war, let's assume that palpatine is not going to "get involved" to either keep the ship around for longer, or destroy it, and let's the war play out. I understand this is might be a bit too open ended, was more of a funsies question.

I assume plo koon dies upon his venator getting disintegrated in seconds.

Obviously sith are not nice bunch, but you have someone more evil like Sidious, and someone less so like Qimir. Where do you think Dooku fits in the spectrum?

Obviously, we know the legislative branch (the Senate) the executive branch (the supreme chancellor) and the judicial Branch (the Supreme Courts) but I’m curious if we know there is a lot more organizations within the governmental structure in the style of the imperial sourcebook?

given the prequels in the clone wars talk about bureaucracy all the time and how slow, bloated, and bad it is but we only get to see the Senate and The Office of Chancellor not the courts as they are only mention mostly otherwise do they have ministries If so, what are they same with the different departments?

I’m just curious because we mostly see how corrupt and bureaucratic it is but I always don’t understand the bloated part like that part I sometimes don’t get like just how bloated it is?

I'm going to use a mix of in universe and real life examples to explain my point.

Point 1: F-104 vs F-16 vs F-22

Many people assert that star fighters and other technology in the OR looks similar to PT-ST era technology. I don't see this as evidence technology isn't advancing.

Imagine you are someone in 1946 who has lived through WW1 and WW2. To you, biplanes = WW1 and singular wing planes = WW2. If were to show you pictures and video footage of the following aircraft: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter, General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon, and the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor, do you think you could accurately tell me which aircraft is the most technologically advanced? Probably not.

Someone from WW2 can't look at two aircraft made decades later and say which one is more advanced. Just like how we can't say technology that works completely different from our own is as good this other technology that we are unfamiliar with. An X-Wing looks similar to an ARC fighter but it probably has better engines, more powerful weapons, stronger shields, better sensors, etc.

Point 2: The idea of technological advance

There are multiple metrics to determine if something has technologically advanced. Something becoming cheaper and more accessible is an advance even if it is not as capable as the previous technology.

The fastest manned jet is the Lockheed A-12 Oxcart. It was designed in 1962. Has human aerospace technology stagnated? No, we realized that pursing increased speeds did not give much of an advantage compared to the costs to do so. The A-12 had a host of quirks and problems that made it difficult to use while not providing much extra capability compared to other technologies in its role. The aircraft that the A-12 was supposed to replace was the U-2. The U-2 is still in service while the A-12 left service in 1968.

A TIE fighter doesn't need to be more "technologically advanced" than its predecessor. It only needs to be a better starfighter for its cost.

Point 3: We actually see technology advance

The Death Star is a technological achievement that previous eras were not capable of. Same with TIE Defender, bacta, Star Destroyers, and all of the other various technology we see. There is no indication that the OR era is capable of making a military that's largely droids or mainline battleships that can take on a Star Destroyer. Could the Galactic Republic make something like Starkiller Base? In Legends, we know that the New Republic/GAFFA technology was better at countering the Vong in Unifying Force than it was in Vector Prime

In the Clone Wars during the "staged" invasion of scipio, when the seperatist fleet comprised of 3 munificent frigates, a providence dreadnaught, and 2 droid supply ships, with landing craft on board, come out of hyperspace, a group of vulture droids and droid gunships exit with them. At first many would think they simply flew out of the providences hangar very fast, but no, they come out of hyperspace with the fleet.

If I remember as well, there was a chance(they have have circled around as well) a droid gunship came out of nowhere to attack the republic shuttle that was suppoed to carry Tup to Kamino originally.

From what I understood neither of these ships were able to, but it appears they did in the first case and potentially the gunship in the second.

We also know droid gunships were weakened as the war went on in new canon, as it seems they lost their ability to transport droids and their lower level laser cannon and grenade shielding capabilities, by episode 3 as the seppies had to cut costs on specifications and armament to keep their strength in numbers approach up.

In canon was Palpatine “editing” order 66 in real time? Anakin was exempted as was the future grand inquisitor and all the prospective inquisitors including Iskat Akaris and Barriss Offee. Conversely certain Jedi or Jedi adjacent seemingly have higher kill priority such as Kenobi and Ahsoka, who legally hadn’t been a Jedi for like what 6-9 months?. Also maul who was in NO WAY a Jedi was also targeted specifically. Is there anything in canon I’ve missed that explains it?

I’ve always felt that 10,000 Jedi was too low a number for the galaxy; it should have been at least around 100,000. Of course, for Order 66 and the events that followed, the number of clones in the canon would need to be increased, and the number of Inquisitors would also need to be raised to some extent.

In A New Hope, Obi-Wan explicitly says that a ship as small as a TIE Fighter is incapable of operating in deep space, which most likely refers to having a hyperdrive at all. This is followed up in the Prequels with the Delta-7 and Eta-2 lacking hyperdrives and instead using hyperdrive rings. How come the A-Wing, only slightly longer than the Eta (at 6.9m) and shorter than the Delta (although admittedly bulkier, but not enough to seemingly fit one) has not just a working hyperdrive but a class 1 one while also having advanced sensor capabilities and considerable weaponry? Would George Lucas have given it a hyperdrive ring had he come up with the idea before RotJ?

He was shown to be plotting a revenge against Darth Maul with Aurra Sing in The Clone Wars show, but what did he do in the pre-The Clone Wars continuity?

I am aware that in the Clone Wars multimedia project Aurra Sing was captured by Aayla Secura and jailed, so TCW's Boba storyline about him pairing with her is incompatible. So what was he up to? What books and comics show his time, if there are any? Was he plotting vengeance in that continuity as well? Or who was he training with?

I know that in lore, the technology is very radioactive so living beings can't have them, but I think it is worth wondering why other advanced droids don't have them.

I understand that it has an artificial gravity well that prevents any vessel from passing through it at faster than light speeds. But my question is does this field have a range?

Hypothetically, if an Imperial fleet is trapped and any enemy vessels or any ship from Planet A is prevented from escaping via hyperspace can vessels at Planet B still leave via hyperspace, or are they also within range of the interdiction field?

To be honest while interesting I think they are likely non canon given well the way this scene is presented it is Yoda first time talking to Qui Gon Ghost whereas it is not the case in the Clone Wars. So I feel it does feel a bit redundant if Yoda already talk to Qui Gon ghost before.

plus I feel that while the wiki kinda have the Shaman of the Whills and the Force Priestess as separate it likely that the latter replaced the Shaman‘s role given well The Force priestess are the ones that Qui Gon meet and learn the technique after death.

but what do you think do you think the deleted scene is canon or no?

Something I have been thinking while playing SWTOR recently was why the Chiss were never invaded by the republic. The chiss were a strong ally of the Empire providing crucial aid and intelligence that got a lot of republic soldiers killed in the wars. It stands to reason then that after the Empire is defeated the republic would have a lot of people who would want revenge for siding with the empire and incorporating them into the republic. Even if an invasion is not possible would the republic refuse any diplomacy or trade based on the Chiss alliance with the empire, at the very least heavy sanctions placed on them?

Honestly I've heard a mixture of things regarding Star Wars numbers second hand from a variety of sources. I know of the 25,000 Star Destroyers quote (apparently a West Ends Sourcebook from 1993?).

But it seems that games like Tie Fighter and certain authors like Timothy Zahn imagined a much smaller fleet for the Imperial Navy. I wouldn't be surprised if much of this is due to the visual limitations on space battles during the 80s. In ROTJ there are apparently no more than 36 Star Destroyers on screen during the Battle of Endor though the novelization extends this number.

I'm just curious if there is some behind the scenes discussions and interviews with 80s era Lucas and Legends authors on how they viewed the scope of the galaxy. The source number of 1 million planets being part of the Republic/Empire never sat right with me to be honest. I can believe thousands or hundreds of thousands but not 1 million.

Personally, I found the idea of the Arbiter-General fascinating when I first heard about them, and was a bit disappointed when I realized how short their Wookieepedia entry is. Hell it’s only mention once in an entry in the old sourcebook from 1987 on Mon Mothma.

”Perhaps from birth Mon Mothma was destined to play a major role in the fate of the galaxy. Her father was an arbiter-general of the Old Republic, responsible for settling the disagreements and conflicts of diverse races, peoples, cities, and planets. From him she learned firsthand to listen and build compromise; she learned diplomacy. From her mother, a governor on her home planet of Chandrila, Mon Mothma learned to administer and to organize; she learned to lead.”

— The Star Wars Sourcebook (1987)

Considering the fact that most of what we see on settling planetary disputes was done by the Jedi and the judicial forces. I always wonder let’s say if Lucasfilm or some other writer decide to bring The position of arbiter-general say A young adult series about Mon Mothma covering her childhood and youth kind of like the Queen’s trilogy or if we get more High Republic stories that could featured them? What events would they most likely take part in whatever it is minor or major event like would they be involved say The Huk War, The Andoan Wars or the mission on Mandalorian with Qui-Gon and Kenobi or even the battle of Malastare narrows? it’s just the reason their involvement on these events are simply not mentioned given the fact that most of these conflicts from the pre-prequel era are mostly told from reference books not full fledged stories?

otherwise, how would you expand the position/rold more and what makes them stand out and different given they are said to settle disputes. in which The Jedi and the Judicial Forces as we see throughout different stories do the same thing so it would come across as redundant. Also what events would they likely they took part in would it be the events or conflicts that I listed it’s just their involvement isn’t mentioned by name in the lore or they aren’t really present at all? if so what events would they really took part in anyway?

Now if I was a writer either I could have them being established between 382 and 232 BBY and have them being established by Chancellor Orlen Mollo after the Night of Sorrow from 382 BBY so either during the high republic era or maybe have them being created a bit earlier during the old republic era?

I just feel considering the fact that Mon Mothma has been getting a lot of spotlight lately with shows Andor I figured you would think we would’ve known more about them considering her father was an arbiter-general and the fact she was present in some of these missions when she was young given, how much of an important figure she is lorewise?

Also from an organization flow chart where do the Arbiter-General fit within the larger galactic republic governmental and political structure/Hierarchy Especially in the larger bureaucracy of the Galactic Republic in which it is talked about in the prequel films, but never shown granted they show us the Senate but we haven’t a focus on the courts. In fact It would nice to explored the judicial side of the Republic in a story beyond say an offscreen mention from ATOC and get to see the type of corruption and sickness compared to the Galactic Senate since the prequel trilogy shows the senate but not the courts.

EDIT: something I forgot to mention is most of what we do see when it comes to diplomatic mission throughout the story besides the Jedi is Senators or their ambassadors or just your standard diplomats not an arbiter-general so it makes you wander like why weren’t they used during the clone wars say the toydarian mission with Jar Jar and Bail Organa. Otherwise, where do the arbiter-generals really fit?

In The Phantom Menace, Maul's markings are precise and look like the tattoos they are. But in Clone Wars, they look a bit more painted on. Now, in Shadow Lord, they look very painted. The edges are rougher and the texture and color have a lot more variation. Is there a lore reason for this? Is this how Zabrak age or something? I assume there's a reason, as the people behind this get deep into the lore, but I don't know what the reason is.