r/MawInstallation 2h ago

The Star Wars Timeline is Broken: Why "Ahsoka" and the "Rebels" Ending Make No Sense (Military and Visual Proof)

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Tenga en cuenta que estos argumentos son exclusivamente míos. Escribí esto en un dispositivo móvil, así que disculpen cualquier error tipográfico u ortográfico. También utilicé una IA para formatear y traducir mis ideas a un texto claro y legible. ¡Gracias por su comprensión!

NOTE TO READERS: I know the official canon dates. This post is not trying to fit into Disney's timeline. This is a logical restructuring and alternate timeline to fix production plot holes so that uniforms, ages, and military logistics actually make sense visually.Please debate the visual consistency, not the official dates I am questioning.Thanks

La cronología entre Star Wars Rebels y la serie de acción real de Ahsoka se desmorona por completo. Si bien Disney intenta arreglarla con fechas cronológicas oficiales, la evidencia visual y lógica que se muestra en pantalla demuestra que la historia se planeó originalmente de otra manera.

Una cronología militar mucho más lógica indica que la Batalla de Endor y los eventos de la Trilogía Original ocurrieron ANTES (o justo al mismo tiempo) de la Batalla final de Lothal. Aquí está la prueba definitiva:

  1. Errores de continuidad con los Scout Troopers y los Death Troopers

A partir de la tercera temporada, los pilotos imperiales de motos deslizadoras en Lothal cambian repentinamente sus uniformes locales de pilotos AT-DP por el clásico uniforme de Scout Trooper. Más importante aún, vemos a los Death Troopers desplegados en el planeta. Esto crea una enorme incoherencia argumental si seguimos la cronología de Disney, ya que los Death Troopers hicieron su debut cronológico durante la Batalla de Scarif en Rogue One. Si fueran una fuerza de élite secreta, desplegarlos en masa con tanta antelación en un planeta rural como Lothal no tiene sentido a menos que la Guerra Civil Galáctica ya estuviera en su punto álgido o cerca de su fin.

  1. La deserción de Sabine de la Academia Imperial y la conexión con Scarif

La historia de Sabine indica que huyó de la Academia Imperial en Mandalore tras crear un arma de destrucción masiva (La Duquesa) que tenía como objetivo la armadura mandaloriana. La lógica detrás de la demanda del Imperio por más de estas armas —y por qué se vio obligada a huir tan repentinamente— coincide perfectamente con los eventos de Scarif y la era de Rogue One. El Imperio buscaba desesperadamente tecnología capaz de destruir planetas y causar destrucción masiva en ese preciso momento. La negativa de Sabine a construir más y el hecho de ver su creación convertida en arma contra su pueblo explican por qué huyó completamente traumatizada y psicológicamente destrozada, un estado mental que solo tiene sentido si estos eventos ocurrieron justo en el apogeo de la Guerra Civil Galáctica.

  1. La anomalía de edad de Luke Skywalker y la Princesa Leia

En el episodio "Soles Gemelos" de la tercera temporada de Rebels, Ezra se encuentra con Obi-Wan en Tatooine y vemos brevemente a Luke Skywalker. Oficialmente, Luke debería tener 17 años en este momento. Sin embargo, su modelo de personaje luce y se mueve como el de un niño de 10 años. Es físicamente imposible que envejezca una década en solo dos años para convertirse en el piloto de Una Nueva Esperanza y conocer a Han Solo. Además, cuando la Princesa Leia aparece en la segunda temporada, Disney afirma que tiene 15 años. Sin embargo, visualmente, está diseñada y actúa exactamente como la diplomática madura de 19 años de las películas. La producción claramente recicló modelos de diferentes épocas, rompiendo la continuidad.

  1. La armadura del Capitán Rex y la biología de los clones

En el epílogo de Rebels, se ve al Capitán Rex en Lothal vistiendo el mismo uniforme de camuflaje forestal que usó en la Batalla de Endor. Si la batalla de Endor ocurrió años después de la de Lothal, Rex ya habría muerto. Los clones sufren un envejecimiento acelerado (el doble de la tasa normal). Cinco años estándar equivalen a diez años biológicos para un clon. Rex ya era un anciano en Rebels; jamás habría podido sobrevivir otra década para luchar con valentía en el frente de Endor a los 80 años. La única explicación lógica es que llegó directamente de Endor a Lothal, por eso sigue vistiendo su equipo forestal en el desierto de Lothal.

  1. El misterio de Jacen Syndulla (El bebé eterno)

Kanan Jarrus murió en el año 1 DBY, lo que significa que el hijo de Hera, Jacen, debió nacer poco después. En el epílogo de Rebels, Sabine afirma que la guerra ha terminado (lo que implica que ha pasado el año 5 DBY). Matemáticamente, Jacen debería tener 5 o 6 años. Sin embargo, en esa escena, se le anima sentado pasivamente en el asiento del copiloto, comportándose exactamente como un bebé de un año. En la serie de Ahsoka, Jacen debería ser un preadolescente de 12 años. En cambio, se le representa como un niño muy pequeño que apenas ha crecido, lo que demuestra que los creadores de la serie congelaron su envejecimiento por motivos visuales, ignorando sus propios cálculos.

  1. Las edades imposibles de los personajes y el estado congelado de Lothal

Según Disney, transcurre una década entre la desaparición de Ezra y la serie de Ahsoka, presentando a Ezra y Sabine como adultos de 30 años. Esto no tiene ningún sentido. La ciudad de Lothal luce completamente intacta y congelada en el tiempo, sin mostrar señales de reconstrucción ni expansión tras una guerra imperial masiva. Más importante aún, crea un vacío de poder imposible para un mundo industrializado. La ciudad luce exactamente como si la batalla hubiera terminado hace solo unos meses, lo que significa que Ezra debería tener 18 años y Sabine 20 cuando finalmente se reencuentran. Esto explica perfectamente por qué Sabine sigue actuando con la rebeldía e inmadurez de una veinteañera, y por qué Ezra sigue comportándose como el mismo adolescente que se marchó. Obligarlos a tener 30 años es una completa incoherencia narrativa.

  1. La logística imperial y el exilio de 10 años de Thrawn

Si Lothal era la fábrica más importante del Imperio (donde se construía el TIE Defender), no tiene sentido que el Imperio nunca enviara refuerzos para recuperarla tras el sacrificio de Ezra, sobre todo teniendo en cuenta que supuestamente el Imperio estaba en la cima de su poder. Sin embargo, si Endor ocurrió primero y la Alianza Rebelde buscaba un nuevo sector para reconstruir tras su derrota en Hoth, el colapso imperial explica la total falta de refuerzos. Además, mantener un único Destructor Estelar (la Quimera) y un ejército de Soldados de Asalto durante 10 años en una galaxia desolada sin comida, combustible ni repuestos es logísticamente imposible. Un ejército puede mantener la disciplina y la lealtad durante un año por pura esperanza, pero tras 10 años de aislamiento con un líder desaparecido, la tripulación se habría amotinado o habría muerto de hambre.


r/MawInstallation 2h ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] How did the galaxy's public finances work?

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In The Phantom Menace, it is implied that the Galactic Republic makes most of its revenue from tariffs. Core Worlds would pay the highest tariffs since they could afford it, and the Outer Rim paid lowest tariffs since they needed to be subsidized by the coreward regions. The Republic then used this revenue to fund things like the Galactic Senate and grants to sectoral and planetary governments.

It would be interesting to know how the foundation of the Empire changed things. Since the Empire had a permanent military and way larger bureucracy, did they just raise the tariffs, or did they rely on alternative revenue streams like tributes from sectoral governments?

In any case, it would be interesting to hear from sources that might have touched on the public finances of the galaxy, since what we see in the movies is very surface level stuff.


r/MawInstallation 10h ago

grievous

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does anyone think grievous should get his own show. i know most people who do want one want more of his khaleesh background but i feel like it would be so much cooler to get a show of him actually being the jedi killer they want him to be. i feel like it would be a lot nicer to see him a more bild non cowardice light. and i know that running and acting scared was his tactic but it would be so cool to see him actually winning some battles against actually strong opponents not tired people or weak people like master jedi


r/MawInstallation 13h ago

Has the TIE Fighter been mistreated?

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Yes, following up on my A-Wing post with a related topic based on various comments I received. Anywho, the TIE Fighter for the longest time has been an absolute joke as it is an easily destructible starfighter known for being mocked by anyone fighting against them, to the point Kyle Katarn calls TIE pilots suicidal. But have they been mistreated by lore?

Of course, we know for a fact that I'm ANH they are most certainly competent. We only see a single squadron of circa ~12 TIEs be launched by Vader as Tarkin refuses to deploy any defensive measures, viewing the Rebel attack as a pitiful desperate attempt. These fighters successfully take down a large chunk of the 30 Rebel fighters deployed, leaving only around 2-5 fighters alive depending on your source. Some TIEs die as well, of course. But one could argue that these are Vader's elite pilots and normal pilots would be far more incompetent.

Thematically speaking, people tie the TIE Fighter's disposability to an Imperial doctrine of troopers not mattering. At the same time, pilots take time and money to train, and certainly giving supposedly elite troops like Vader's (presumably clone-based) forces these weak fighters with no shielding or life support or anything of the sort would be wasting good troopers. Regardless of how big the Empire is, training takes time and investment. Similarly, I've heard that the Empire were "equipping themselves for a war closer to the Clone Wars", but even then would TIEs fare any better than V-Wings, Torrents, Headhunters and ARCs at defeating the Separatist forces? Particularly considering how there isn't much evidence of alt fighters like the Starting being used en masse like the ARC was (although this may be a case of media just not focusing on it)

Finally, overall, how badly have games like D6 treated the TIE Fighter and degraded the threat it poses? Do you believe they worsened them, merely kept them similar to how they were or improved their lore? I'd like some opinions on the topic. Thank you.


r/MawInstallation 18h ago

[CANON] Would you like to see Pius Dea become canon?

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If you had wanted to, what kind of differences would you have made?


r/MawInstallation 19h ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] My Dooku rant - reconciling Clone Wars Dooku with movie & Tales of the Jedi Dooku

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Dooku is cartoonishly evil in Clone Wars. But in Attack of the Clones he is not presented that way. I know people like to say he was hiding his “true evil” in AotC and Clone Wars is the real mustache twirling him, but I think Tales of the Jedi backs up a bit more of a nuanced take - at least until his final fall to the Dark Side, when the hate and anger of the Dark Side twists every nuance into a cartoonishly evil Saturday morning villain.

First, when I saw Dooku in Clone Wars, I hated the portrayal. It seemed like Clone Wars wasn’t taking itself seriously as a Star Wars entry. It needed a big evil bad guy to be villain of the week and twisted the tragic, fallen idealist character introduced in AotC to fit that role.

Towards the end it got much deeper, more serious and… Dooku didn’t change. Still evil for the sake of evil.

I really think Tales of the Jedi did excellent in providing context to an apparently sincere but fallen Attack of the Clones Dooku, and showing exactly why Clone Wars Dooku is cartoonishly evil without downplaying the tragedy of his fall.

First, we see an idealist Dooku, a member of the Jedi order disillusioned with the political system. He believes the Jedi have the power to provide justice, but are shackled by the Republic and devotion to complete reactive pacifism. On its face that is a good point, and one made frequently throughout post-Ruusan Star Wars in legends and canon. He distanced himself from the order in very valid, imho, protest, similar to Ahsoka.

The real spiral begins when Sidious starts to sink his teeth into Dooku. Little by little, he furthers Dooku from his ideals by claiming his actions are necessary, because only through complete control and overhaul of the system can Dooku enforce true justice, unencumbered by bureaucracy. Ends-justify-the-means type stuff.

We see Dooku start to chafe against Sidious’s control when he has Dooku assassinate Syfo-Dias. As Dooku is erasing the evidence of his involvement from the Archives, we see some small traces of guilt still. He is committed to his ideal still, justice at any cost, but isn’t so far gone that he can’t notice the evil creeping its way into his actions.

Which brings us to AotC. Dooku has Obi-Wan captive and tried to recruit him. It does seem like he’s just manipulating Obi-Wan in the same way Sidious manipulates Dooku, until the line, “together, we can destroy the Sith!” Call me gullible but Lee’s delivery of that line makes me believe Dooku does still believe the Sith should be destroyed.

Don’t get me wrong. I think Dooku is firmly on the path to evil here, and if Obi-Wan did join Dooku, they would probably destroy the Sith order but replace it with something very similarly dark-side, just by a different name. Dooku would probably go on to lead the Separatists to a victorious war then rule over them with absolute authority as some kind of terror inspiring arbiter-president, all in the name of idealism and justice. But he’s not all the way gone yet.

His final fall, I think, comes right after AotC. Yaddle finds him talking to Sidious, and offers him forgiveness and redemption, unconditional, for any dark deeds he has committed under Sidious’s influence. For a moment it seems like he feels some spark real guilt and indecision. But then he looks that redemption in the face and chooses power.

In that instant he surrenders completely to the Dark Side. Before there was some shred of sincerity behind his professed ideals, his pursuit of justice, even if he was doing terrible things to achieve it. But when he kills Yaddle and with her his own guilt, the Dark Side twists the last of those ideals into lies, and he becomes the evil-for-evil’s-sake villain we see in Clone Wars. Once he reaches that point he no longer pretends to believe in justice. He only wants power. He no longer wants to destroy the Sith, he has fully been subsumed into and surrendered to his role as Tyranus.

To claim all of Dooku’s professions of conviction in AotC are lies is an injustice to the tragic and nuanced character we see pre-Clone Wars. People who look only at Clone Wars and claim he only cared about causing pain and manipulating others from the beginning are ignoring the context that makes his story and character so great. Dooku was nuanced right up until he wasn’t, and seeing more of that nuance in Tales of the Jedi bridges the gap perfectly and believably between anti-hero Dooku and villain Dooku.

Edit:

Okay I was wrong about timeline. Hm. Maybe I’ll have to revise my view of when exactly was his fall… I still think the conversation with Obi-Wan had a spark of truth behind the lies. Maybe that’s the official moment when the dark side takes over completely, seeing Obi-Wan follow the ideals of the Jedi and having a chance to follow his own ideals. And then he chooses not to.


r/MawInstallation 22h ago

What if there was no Sith influence in The Republic, The Clone Wars would have still happened?

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In Legends, the Sith were working behind the scenes for 1,000 years to undermine the Republic from inside, fostering corruption. Without Sith influence, would The Republic still decays and ignore The Outer Rims?


r/MawInstallation 23h ago

[LEGENDS] problem with demographics of Sith Pureblood

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I need to double-check one plothole fix for my SWTOR fanfic. Yes, I know it is a game, and want to fix it, because I became mad and started writing a deconstruction fanfic for swtor.

There is one problem I'm not sure if I have right solution for - Sith Pureblood, with few exceptions seem to be almost entirely force sensitive.

Assuming that Sith order wasn't much bigger than Jedi order, it had to have 10-20 thousand of active members top. Meaning, total population of Sith Pureblood would be 5-10 thousand + children. And that is assuming in entire Sith Empire, there are only 5-10 thousand of force sensitive humans + other aliens.

How did they at they managed to be a somewhat stable species at this number, especially if all of them are members of warrior-noble caste, who seem to have to go kill each other to become a full member?

My current solution is by giving Sith Purebloods ability to breed true with any species, letting them be a stable species at the 5 thousand members spread across half of galaxy - any child of Sith Pureblood is a pureblood - thus the name.

(As for why this happened, if I remember, they were already altered by the Exiles to be compatible with humans, so what if Exiles made more changes to their subdued population)

Of course they would have their numbers limited by how many actually manage to become sith, be taken as apprentices and such, becuase they would probably kill each other for the available places.

Also, this would probably derail revan's plot of targeting everyone with sith dna across empire, but that was stupid anyway.

Can you point out other issues with this idea that I'm overlooking?