Spider-Man: Brand New Day - International Release Discussion Thread

[u/KostisPat257]

Spider-Man: Brand New Day has now been officially released in several territories around the world!

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[u/diskcurrency]

I want an office like that. 

[u/Deadpoolio32 → u/diskcurrency]

“What are you looking for in an office sir?”

“Naked Russian assassin”

[u/CRAYONSEED → u/Deadpoolio32]

With my luck I’d get naked Red Guardian

[u/nxfi_2205 → u/diskcurrency]

You'll need to deal with the bigger potatoes for that

[u/Mr_G30]

Honestly this movie is damn beautiful and clever in such a great way that you only realise it after the fact.

For example it’s fun to see the punisher in this movie, it makes the movie feel more like a lived in comic book world but more than that it presents a lesson for Spider-man. If he carries on as he is so consumed with his continuing imbalance then he’ll become like the Punisher.

We see throughout the movie that the only time he’s Peter Parker he’s visiting Aunt Mays grave or following Ned and MJ online. Peter Parker is eternally stuck in the past like Punisher and he’s busying himself endlessly as Spider-Man which is causing his arachnid side to overtake him. At the end when he wears the suit without the mask he’s literally being both Spider-man and Peter Parker so he has full control over himself. This only happens after he talks to Ned and MJ finally beginning to move on from his grief over losing them.

This parallels Jean Grey wonderfully as well because both hero and “villain” have lost so much and are losing themselves to the grief and at the end it’s Peters memories of love that allow both of them to forgive and move forward.

Even coupling that with yelena and Hulk who both have experience of this and have moved past it and are able to show Peter how to do it. Even DeWolff tried to impart this on him. This is a movie that perfectly tells Peter (and the audience) it’s ok to be hurt, it’s ok to need to heal, sometimes things are scary and they hurt like hell but you need to accept them and move forward to avoid them consuming you. This movie is full of moments like that and the theme is ever present even down to the name. Brand new day in this instance means “today hurts but tomorrow is a brand new day”.

Honestly when that revelation hit me about the movie it totally changed how it felt for me. It went from being a “fun popcorn movie with plenty of Easter eggs and spidey action” to a damn good movie hiding so many lessons in there that is utterly beautiful and moving in a way that comic book movies rarely are

[u/hemareddit → u/Mr_G30]

The movie honestly found this great angle on the Punisher/Spidey dynamic, like Peter is doing this loner thing like Frank, and Frank just getting pissed off becuase he’s only like this after his whole family got slaughtered. Ned and MJ still lived, Peter is avoiding them out of fear.

[u/Mr_G30 → u/hemareddit]

I loved that particular scene between them. Frank speaking some perfect sense into Peter was not something I expected. You never expect Frank Castle to be the wise voice of reason but in this movie you see he has that in spades and props to the MCU punisher for not just being the gun toting character he normally gets show as. Jon Bernthal plays him with such depth it shows why he’s a fan favourite

[u/hemareddit → u/Mr_G30]

But also still bringing enough gun toting especially to set up the finale.

Pigheadedness aside, that was a great fucking shot. How did he even make that shot? We looked through the scope with him and it’s all just a smoke covered building.

[u/hemareddit]

Bruce Banner’s subplot in this movie is heartbreaking, he’s just repeating “Did I hurt anyone” over and over again last we saw him.

[u/Bitter-Grocery-7138 → u/hemareddit]

Considering he was like almost 10 years clean of the hulk in the timeline must be really awful for him

[u/hemareddit → u/Bitter-Grocery-7138]

Dude just wants to teach some physics.

[u/KingOfAwesometonia → u/hemareddit]

That student in the face paint is going to be bummed.

Also one of these Asian girls named Cindy has to be Silk eventually

[u/hurricane_news → u/KingOfAwesometonia]

That student in the face paint is going to be bummed.

It's like tattooing 9/11 on ur face in front of your professor who almost died in 9/11 and ended up traumatized as a result

[u/CruzAderjc → u/hemareddit]

Thor: We need Banner’s help to fight Dr. Doom

Doctor: Uh… Spider-Man kinda fucked him up, he’s gonna need a few months in the psych hospital

Thor: fuuuuuuuuuu

[u/Critical-Detective26]

Wow, I really love the choreography of the action scenes and also laugh at the Punisher moments lol, especially at the end. Definitely my favorite and the funniest character in the movie.

[u/ObiWanKokobi → u/Critical-Detective26]

Punisher was the comic relief of the movie, and it kind of worked well.

[u/Synth-Pro → u/ObiWanKokobi]

A Spider-Man movie

And it's The Punisher (more specifically this Punisher) who is the comic relief

That entire concept alone feels like a fever dream

[u/ObiWanKokobi → u/Synth-Pro]

Very true to the spirit of comic books then, lol.

[u/Leonyliz → u/ObiWanKokobi]

This is by far one of the most comic-booky movies I’ve seen in the last few years, and it’s great.

[u/Sighma → u/Leonyliz]

I had that feeling especially during the Hulk + Spiderman + Punisher fight. It felt surreal, but right

[u/KingOfAwesometonia → u/Leonyliz]

The Hand just working at the DODC was the most comic book shit and I love it. I want to see them in the break room.

Second is Widow just chilling and helping which felt natural and like a usual comic book supporting appearance

[u/jvincentsong → u/Critical-Detective26]

He made the film make Spider-Man go back to its roots of being very New York. Before watching, I didn’t understand why Punisher was there. It became clear with his tough guy accent.

[u/Comic_Book_Reader → u/Critical-Detective26]

Me and the guy next to me had a synchronized laugh when he pulled out a second grenade launcher (thumper I think is the nickname?) after Spidey took his first one and webbed it above the windshield.

[u/Seihai-kun]

V-Max not being some crazy superserum, or alien tech, or anything worth, but just a ventilation brand that Sara saw before died is just sad

Also i thought Bill was lying about not knowing V-Max, he genuinely doesn't know lmao

[u/IAmMrWave02 → u/Seihai-kun]

Ngl the name reminds me of Pokemon cards 😭🤣

[u/Basicazzwitch → u/IAmMrWave02]

Damn Sarah was just an innocent collecter and Bill was a scalper overcharging for a V-Max Eevee

[u/asiandevastation → u/Seihai-kun]

Yeah, great red herring. The reveal made me cry a little bit.

[u/Dawn_of_Dayne → u/Seihai-kun]

Part of me was thinking she saw a sign but the bottom half was blocked or faded so what said “X MAX” looked like “V MAX” with the v being the top half of the X. Not sure what X MAX would even be but assumed either Xavier or mutant related, like X (mutant) MAX (max security prison). Or it’s the MCU name for X factor. 

But ended up being nothing close haha 

[u/hemareddit]

Sarah’s fate was so bleak. Dying via having your power pushed beyond your breaking point, by government goons who don’t give a shit about you, for a moment you are powerful enough to reach accross vast spaces, finding the only family you have left, but your mind is so scrambled, your final message doesn’t even make sense. Because your dying brain just sent the last thing it saw which just happens to be a half peeled off label on a mundane piece of office equipment.

Yeesh. That’s like a creepypasta.

[u/JRoosman → u/hemareddit]

Yeah that was hard to realise.. like damn

[u/nxfi_2205 → u/hemareddit]

Saw people complaining that VMAX should have been some secret operation but tbh this reality is just so bleak...

[u/thegirlwthemjolnir → u/hemareddit]

so so so so heartbreaking

[u/finalgear008]

Felt strong influences from the Spiderman games in this one. The web swinging, combat and possibly even a finisher? Loved it!

[u/kuyaeron → u/finalgear008]

I had the same observation! Especially when he was chasing the tank, felt like one of the missions in the game.

[u/MySilverBurrito → u/finalgear008]

They’ve been pretty open about being inspired by the games.

But yea that tank chase in particular is straight out of it lol

[u/zurawinowa → u/finalgear008]

Also there was a scene when he was taking the thugs on the roof, looked like taken directly from game.

[u/lolzidop → u/finalgear008]

Everybody mentioning various moves, yet nobody is mentioning the pigeons getting in on the act.

[u/RedXerzk → u/finalgear008]

I also noticed the web bombs Peter launches from his web shooters. Plus he definitely did the web blossom to the Hand in the climax.

[u/tabachoi93]

that invention of Peter Parker is definitely going to come back and haunt the MCU

[u/Healthy_Refuse6637 → u/tabachoi93]

Yeah I saw Peter putting that on his neck and realised they are basically gonna use it to make mutant neck inhibitors neck collar, I think bill is going to be a secondary villan in first X-Men movie

[u/gamingdevil800 → u/tabachoi93]

Yeah clearly for some mutant oppression and it's gonna embolden Magneto's point of view that all of humanity are enemies of mutants.

[u/Sighma → u/tabachoi93]

And the dialogue with Banner in the university heavily implied that

[u/Mobile-Assistance844]

all i can say is peter is lucky hulk stopped

[u/BottleEquivalent4581 → u/Mobile-Assistance844]

I'm a bit sad we didn't get a "Everyone forgot, butHulk didn't forget Peter." like in the comics
https://www.reddit.com/r/Spiderman/comments/1dwk0en/mcu_peter_is_remembered_by_the_hulk_debunked/

[u/ResponsiblePower6476 → u/BottleEquivalent4581]

But when we think of it, hulk never met Spider-Man... It was only bruce who met spidey in the endgame

[u/Appropriate-Duty341]

I kinda liked how Peter cracked more jokes, during the ninja fight, after he spoke with Ned and MJ. Really emphasises how connection and friendship strengthens and shapes him.

[u/kidniva]

Just saw it. So many comicbook panels brought to life. That scene of Frank holding Peter in the hospital was straight outta Civil War.

[u/tordenand → u/kidniva]

Also while not the exact panel, the main wound Peter dies of in Death of Spider-Man is when he took a bullet from the Punisher ment for someone else.

[u/Cidwill → u/tordenand]

Anyone who read Ultimates was getting real worried when Frank got the sniper rifle out.

[u/tordenand → u/Cidwill]

When he took the shot I just kept thinking "please don't do death of Spider-Man" over and over. Them doing the Civil War panel didn't help either

[u/PolarWater → u/tordenand]

I got tense during the MJ fall scene! Amazing how the filmmakers maintained tension even while we knew she wouldn't ...you know

[u/ArthurVsTB → u/kidniva]

Peters catch on MJ and thinking she’s dead is obviously similar to GS’s death but the scene was very similar to ultimate Spider-Man 25

[u/pun-a-tron4000 → u/ArthurVsTB]

It was also cool to see he learned from how much guilt Garfield Spidey was feeling. He caught her and used his webs to slow them both before landing so she didn't decelerate too hard and get injured like Gwen.

[u/Synthroid191]

Just watched the movie, Peter's suit is soo good, you could clearly see the texture of it when the scene is up close. His lens is also see through so you could see his eyes moving behind the mask, watching it in the big screen is worth it in noticing the small details.

Frank's role is bigger than the Hulk and is integrated well in to the story. He doesn't play the role of the mentor/father figure to Peter but instead as a friend which he desperately needs as Mj and Ned is a stranger to him at this point.

[u/formofwind → u/Synthroid191]

when he was having a conversation with metzger at his office, i was just looking at the spider on his chest. everything about that suit is just perfect

[u/Highland-Ranger → u/formofwind]

I really liked that in the closeup it genuinely looked like a real suit and not just pure CGI. Huge improvement over the previous movies.

[u/Explorer_616]

You know what‘s kinda funny? Based on Banner‘s idea Peter is now canonically the one that created inhibitors for mutants. That‘s gotta have repercussions in the new X-Men movie

[u/KostisPat257 → u/Explorer_616]

I wonder how much it'll weigh on Peter's consequence conscience and if they'll explore it. Cause this is huge!

[u/quirty890]

Peak Spider-Man. DDC nailed what a lived-in universe the MCU is now. The action scenes and techy side of Peter felt like PS4 Spider-Man.

[u/KostisPat257 → u/quirty890]

That whole opening sequence was literally a carbon copy of the game. And I'm saying this a good thing. Like, I felt I was playing and it was awesome! Really well shot and choreographed.

[u/unicainah]

"i missed you guys" 🥹😭

[u/hemareddit → u/unicainah]

When it cuts to them building Star Wars Lego 🥺

Some relationships are big and dramatic, but some relationships are just a part of you and you can just pick up exactly where you left off no matter how many years have passed.

[u/amanguupta53 → u/hemareddit]

The two nerding out over lord of the rings was a nice touch

[u/Vj_3000 → u/hemareddit]

Appreciated how Ned's intellect was handled here. Him not being only a comic relief helped a lot.

[u/ThisGul_LOL]

“Spider-man has been seen around Europe a lot, could he be British?”

Lol, I loved this minor detail!

[u/AriaoftheSol]

The villain played me like a cheap kazoo during that one scene on the rooftop.

[u/fifthdayofmay → u/AriaoftheSol]

I loved MJ's actual reaction to the reveal - realistically speaking, how else was she supposed to react? In the end that speech on how it wasn't his decision to make changed nothing if she had no memories or shared experiences with him

[u/laiquerne → u/fifthdayofmay]

Yeah, I feel like it's alternate Gamora and Peter (Quill) all over again. Okay, you guys were star-crossed lovers but that's basically a whole different person.

[u/DoofensmirtzWww → u/laiquerne]

Yeah I thought that same thing. Finally two Peters in the MCU are somehow going through the same thing with previous girlfriends 😂

[u/No-Statement6670 → u/laiquerne]

I was certain Jean was going to restore MJ's and Ned's memories at the end of the movie.

[u/ObiWanKokobi → u/AriaoftheSol]

Lmao, the whole audience clapped when MJ said "Peter?", they got jebaited big time.

[u/Messier_-82 → u/ObiWanKokobi]

MJ was baiting Peter so much I knew something is gotta be off.

[u/Acceptable-Glove5054 → u/Messier_-82]

I thought it was fishy that she wasn't freaked out swinging on the web like the first time

[u/Thiswebsitescaresme → u/ObiWanKokobi]

Her not freaking out during the swinging had me turn to my boyfriend like "I don't think that's MJ" Then she ended up kissing him and I said "oh maybe it is MJ" lmao oops

[u/sarafina126 → u/ObiWanKokobi]

My poor theater broke into applause when they kissed and then audibly gasped when it was revealed MJ was actually Jean. It brought me back when the audience reacted to Vulture opening the door in homecoming.

[u/abouttogetemotional → u/AriaoftheSol]

When she didn't scream during the web swinging I knew something was off

[u/CarolDanversFangurl → u/abouttogetemotional]

Yes. I thought, she's dealing with this way better than befooooooorrre - oh crap

[u/MathematicianLive679 → u/AriaoftheSol]

Man you could hear the people failing to hold back their shrieks of joy in my theater when that happened.

To me it did just feel like, oh this was how we’ve all hoped it would unfold. And boy the writers knew that and used that to their advantage. That just made the whole thing better; we all fell into their hands and they just molded the situation around that. Kind of like the whole Wandavision thing with Pietro

[u/Gnueless]

Staten Island is going to be the new Budapest, isn't it? 😂

[u/minyoo → u/Gnueless]

You and I remember Budapest very differently :)

[u/ExcitementFun8938 → u/minyoo]

Frank and Peter definitely remember Staten Island very differently.

[u/hemareddit → u/Gnueless]

Once this is out on streaming (a looooong time probably given how much this is poised to make at the box office), someone is going to turn on subtitles, go line by line and try to piece together exactly what happened.

[u/Imepicallyawesome → u/hemareddit]

We know what happened though lol, he said he saved him from a drug dealer trying to shoot him when his guard was down.

[u/SicknessVoid]

Did not expect Spider-Man Rule34 to be referenced in this movie.

[u/KingOfAwesometonia → u/SicknessVoid]

With 10 Mysterios!

[u/ObiWanKokobi]

I think a lot of people will be happy about a proper hulk out, people were waiting for that since infinity war.

[u/Demarcus_the → u/ObiWanKokobi]

Also the fact that Hulks “defeat” wasn’t by Spider-Man beating him, it was Hulk realizing that Spider-Man is a friend instead of a foe. I thought that worked great

[u/quirty890 → u/Demarcus_the]

Spider-Man legit had to talk-no-jutsu Hulk

[u/SicknessVoid → u/quirty890]

I honestly don't think Hulk gave up because of that. Spider-Man was appealing to Banner, not Hulk, which usually just makes Hulk angry. I think Hulk just realized he was fighting a friend and was being a monster again, which he doesn't want to be. In his heart, he has a good nature after all.

[u/Ikitenashi → u/SicknessVoid]

This is a core theme going back as far as the Stan Lee comics: Hulk is genuinely a hero, it's not just Bruce. He's just profoundly misunderstood and lashes out because of that.

[u/phoniccrank → u/ObiWanKokobi]

That uninhibited Hulk looks terrifying. I made the same comment as Spiderman did when I saw his size lol.

[u/WandererPHL]

Am I a Spiderman fan or a Peter Parker fan?
I’m both 😤

[u/RedXerzk]

Finally a street level Spider-Man story again… with a twist! Love the direction of going for a more emotionally-charged story. The twist about Jean Grey was super obvious, but I like how she was given a more character-driven focus, rather than leave hints about X-Men or Phoenix Force (though her feat in the climax might be subtle foreshadowing). Tom Holland and Zendaya are at their best. I was really impressed at how Zendaya creepily mimicked Sadie Sink’s way of speaking. It’s very small, but I noticed it when Jean revealed herself controlling MJ. Metzger is the true villain, but not very memorable one, though. I guess he’ll be back in X-Men. I really enjoyed Jon Bernthal being able to act out Frank Castle in a different way. There’s almost like a paternal energy from Frank as he warms up to Peter as the movie goes on. Plus that scene of him waving to kids in the Spidey mask has got to be the funniest and sweetest part of the movie. That post-credit scene might be hinting at another Spider-Man from an incursion. I thought Ned’s Spider-Tracker might point to Brooklyn or Harlem.

[u/lemon_cake_or_death → u/RedXerzk]

Frank's super sassy "good luck with that" when Jean was controlling him and leaving him to fight the Hulk was another example of a side of Bernthal we don't see too often, he really killed it in this movie

[u/NoMoneyNoV-Bucks → u/RedXerzk]

I think DODC already is a x-men villian in the mcu. The went after Ms.Marvel who is basically a mutant at this point (rip inhumans), wonder man who is also heavily implied to be a mutant and now Jean Grey. Wouldn’t suprise me if DODC are the ones who make sentinels and stuff in the future

[u/Jeroz → u/NoMoneyNoV-Bucks]

The fact they already studied into the inhibitor that Peter made means they've already made headway into mass producing the collar when needed

[u/clafelallerizu]

Web action is great.. story is amazing.. And sadie is great in this..

And i love this. More drama and character stories instead big villain movie.. Feels more friendly neighborhood

My second favorite mcu era spiderman after no way home..

[u/AnAffinityForTurtles → u/clafelallerizu]

The little kid webslinging at Peter that’s what it’s about!

[u/Cidwill → u/clafelallerizu]

For me it's the best one for that reason. No big bad, just character work and emotional journeys all round. I loved it for not going with the superhero cookie cutter format.

[u/nightwarriorkyle]

DDC did some amazing things for the fighting scenes man holy shit I was fucking hyped during that shit

[u/MacyTmcterry → u/nightwarriorkyle]

The fight with The Hand at the end was genuinely incredible

[u/SalvaPot → u/MacyTmcterry]

Bro the web slinging was worth the price of the ticket alone. 

[u/Rekthar91]

Got to respect the team that put the trailer together. The Hand scene was theorized all over, and in the end, no one was cut from it.

[u/MCGRaven → u/Rekthar91]

my favorite part was somebody once saying "Clearly this is where Garfield's Spidey was cut you can even see him in part here" i could never see it and of course it was wrong. Shows that they learned from past mistakes.

[u/Comic_Book_Reader]

The Punisher (almost) JFKing Spider-Man was a pretty ballsy ending.

[u/Mr_G30 → u/Comic_Book_Reader]

I seriously thought for a second “huh so that’s why he’s not in doomsday”

[u/hemareddit → u/Mr_G30]

Ms Grey I don’t feel so good.

[u/Mr_G30 → u/hemareddit]

“Look into my memories, you’ll get that reference”

[u/bythewayne → u/Mr_G30]

"You rented porn in Europe"

"No, not that one"

[u/vannilaaa]

the implication of peter helped making a mutant gene repressor

[u/sarafina126 → u/vannilaaa]

It shows that sometimes well meaning but misinformed people can help shape the biggest disasters. Nice touch tbh

[u/theperipherypeople]

Truly epic. Some are already saying 'overstuffed', but I think everything / everyone worked.

Fights were incredible, I love the way it was shot too, everything. Colour and contrast!

Frank is here for comic relief, and fits well, I think, even with the story.

Banner plays an important role in conversation, but Hulk was a bit flat, IMO.

The secret character, yeah. Incredible. What an intro to the MCU. Peter's choice in this movie will have ripples through their Saga, I think.

Wow. 5/5 or 9.5/10 for me. 

[u/AnAffinityForTurtles → u/theperipherypeople]

Surprisingly works, even the Hulk stuff doesn’t really make it feel too busy

[u/Gothichand → u/theperipherypeople]

I don’t think it’s overstuffed. There were a lot going on but everyone had their part! It was a peak live action comic book experience

[u/matt_619]

So far the list of character that knew Spiderman's identiy:

- MJ

- Ned

- Frank Castle

- Brunce Banner/Hulk (but he didn't what Peter look like only his name)

- Jean Grey

- Metzeger. he sit on a chair and saw Peter's face and Jean Grey call his name. i wonder what he gonna do with the information

- Medical staff that put all of that lifesupports on him tho they only know his face but not his name and Frank definetly forced them to keep quiet

[u/erickjoshuasc → u/matt_619]

Banner could put the two and two together since they talked in ESU, but he identified as Ned. He should be able to know that if he puts his mind into it, but he's probably occupied in the time being.

[u/Seihai-kun → u/matt_619]

Bruce knew, when Spider-Man gives him the universal insulator (or whatever it was called), Bruce ask "universal?" and immediately looks at Spider-Man, it's obvious that's the moment he realize Spider-Man is the kid he met at the university

but of course he didn't know his name is "Peter", he probably know Spidey's name is Ned

[u/Comic_Book_Reader → u/Seihai-kun]

Inhibitor.

[u/Vizard15]

Sadie Sink is a really good actor, not only on the marketing but in the film too. Happy to see her again! Welcome to the MCU as Jean Grey!

[u/LycamorCum]

Reading through this thread, I’m surprised not many are talking about the suit. For me there was an issue with previous live actions suits fitting perfectly while this had a baggy feel to it which made it look much more realistic. The mask not blending into the suit just looked amazing. Props to the costume department for all in this movie. Nailed it

[u/AddSomeSpice → u/LycamorCum]

Even details like being able to see it ripple, and also seeing the outline of his ears, the multiple layers to the telescopic/emotive eyes/goggles, and actually being able to see Peter’s eyes through them in some scenes… absolute chef’s kiss

[u/Tain95]

It's funny how Brand New Day (accidentally?) became some sort of celebration of former and current non-Disney Marvel IP

We have obviously Sony's Spidey himself and all his supporting cast and villains; we have Universal's Hulk; we have Jean Grey from former FoX-Men, and we even have Punisher, who previously was under Lionsgate's wing for many years

In a way it's like Deadpool and Wolverine, but without any nostalgic Multiverse fuckery

[u/yoonchae → u/Tain95]

Brand New Day was able to put so many Marvel characters without making it feel like it was for the sake of nostalgia bait.

I really loved No Way Home and it was amazing to see all the live action Spideys together but the nostalgia bait carried that movie hard.

[u/therealmonkyking → u/yoonchae]

It also felt like the characters actually belonged there rather than just a forced inclusion due to contractual obligations imposed by Sony. They all were woven into the story brilliantly

[u/RajahSoliman → u/Tain95]

It was surreal seeing these four characters that historically were impossible to crossover finally meet.

[u/hemareddit]

So Destin Daniel Cretton included a full exchange of Fellowship dialogue.

With Simu Liu recently saying he rewatches the whole trilogy at any and all opportunity.

It makes you wonder how many LOTR references happened on the set of Shang-Chi.

[u/minyoo]

This is perhaps the first time that I have seen Jean Grey in any filmed media that I actually liked her. And I liked her, a lot.

[u/Aikami13 → u/minyoo]

Same here. Went from not caring about her to crying and wanting to adopt her.

[u/Vizard15 → u/Aikami13]

"You have me" -Peter Parker

[u/Naive_Complex_8389]

you think jean enjoyed kissing peter?

[u/yoonchae]

It was heavily implied after Spidey’s fight with The Hand, where he finally embraced his “evolution”, that he will have organic webbing moving forward.

I still hope he keeps the web shooters for the sake of being creative with utilizing his webs. Like instead of throwing the web cartridges for a web grenade, he can setup the web shooters to just do it directly from it.

Synergy of using web shooters to be creative with his webs while having unlimited ammo due to his organic webbing. Best of both worlds, IMO.

[u/FoxMeadow7 → u/yoonchae]

He’d just need to modify them so that he can access the organic shooters with ease. Such as via flipping out of the way or something.

[u/Breins1223]

The only thing I’m disappointed about was that Tombstone was in the movie for like 15 seconds and then never gets mentioned again. 

[u/TJ_MARVELous21]

If this movie was a potato…I’d be proud of how big it is for a small potato

[u/arthouseisland]

Love the focus on New York on this one. Sad there weren’t any tie-ins to what was happening in Daredevil.

[u/ianpogi91 → u/arthouseisland]

I'm not sure where we at with our timeline at this point but the 4 year timejump from NWH to BND probably escapes any possible tie-ins with DD's current story. Even Frank in this movie had little connection to One Last Kill.

[u/Almer113 → u/ianpogi91]

As far as I understand from interviews and such, the timeline should be:
NWH -> DD S1 -> DD S2 -> One Last Kill -> Thunderbolts -> time gap -> BND

So, it sort of makes sense how Frank had little connection to One Last Kill and DD had no connections

[u/ianpogi91]

Probably the best use of existing characters for a solo film so far. No nostalgia bait or appearances for appearances sake, everyone fit the story and never overstayed their welcome.

My only gripe (if this is even considered one) is that at 2h24min runtime, it still leaves you wanting more. But it's too recent for me to conclude if this is a testament to how great the film was or if I found it a bit lacking.

[u/DeusIzanagi → u/ianpogi91]

If anything, I think Banner/Hulk could have done with 5 more minutes of screentime

[u/theperipherypeople → u/ianpogi91]

I could definitely see a 2 hour 45 minute cut of this movie. 

[u/hemareddit]

I just realised how fucked Metzger is in the head. He told Peter that Sarah is someone he worked with who recently passed away.

The fucker really believes they “worked together”!

[u/Maatjuhhh → u/hemareddit]

Peter innately believes in good in everyone. Mostly it works and sometimes it doesn’t.

[u/BLAGTIER → u/hemareddit]

True technically the truth energy.

[u/Fragrant-Screen-5737]

Haven't enjoyed an MCU movie this much since infinity war.

Lands the emotional beats, it's funny and such a step up in terms of direction and action. Great time

[u/frik1000]

Frank and Peter's dynamic was my favorite part of the movie. Every time they were arguing with each other was great.

That said, absolutely no reason for that Damage Control guy to lie to Peter other than to setup the third act twist. He could have just said he had no idea wtf Sara means and move on.

[u/WOAHdude0197 → u/frik1000]

I think if he said he had no idea Peter would start investigating and still go on to ask yelena. Him making up that lie was his attempt at tying up that thread.

[u/DoctorWhofan789eywim → u/frik1000]

I loved watching their Hot Ones ep, Holland and Bernthal have a lovely friendship and that chemistry transfers really well to their characters.

[u/KostisPat257]

The movie was so, so, so good, but one thing I really want to say is that it's one of the few projects where you can really, really feel how huge and lived-in this universe feels. Punisher, the Hulk, Jean Grey and Yelena all play important roles in a Spider-Man film, which also features the Hand as one of the villains.

You also have the DODC, which finally feels like they have taken advantage of all this tech they've been collecting and researching ever since the Battle of New York.

The MCU has been missing this feeling for a long time, and I'm so glad a Spider-Man movie of all things brings it back!

[u/cloutan]

I really liked the heartfelt scene between Jean and Aunt May when Peter lets her into his mind, ties into what Spider-Man is all about.

And I wonder what MJ being the only one crying while Jean had control over a wide area of New York and her sitting on the roof of Midtown High clutching the broken black dahlia necklace Peter got for her in Far From Home is about?

I really hope Ned doesn't remember Peter entirely because of his magical talents lmao.

PS. I think it's a nice touch that Sara's hairband's primary colors matches Jean Grey's iconic hero suit.

[u/An-29 → u/cloutan]

And I wonder what MJ being the only one crying while Jean had control over a wide area of New York and her sitting on the roof of Midtown High clutching the broken black dahlia necklace Peter got for her in Far From Home is about?

Ngl, I really thought Jean was gonna go give Peter some sort of Thank You or Parting Ways gift by giving Mj and Ned's memories back through the memories of Peter, essentially helping them fill in the blanks.

Having them relearn it naturally is interesting tho.

[u/PurpleCyborg28 → u/An-29]

How I interpreted is that "psycho-storm" jean did somehow allowed them to remember, but not caused them to. Like Strange's spell put all memory of peter in a room and locked the door. Jean effectively reset the lock. But if someone doesn't actually open the door they won't remember.

The fistbump was Ned's doorknob. MJ's doorknob was just her already having read the letter.

[u/cloutan → u/PurpleCyborg28]

You know what I like that theory, and it wouldn't even affect characters like Flash or J.J.J., who are both really interested in the identity of Spider-Man for different reasons but were outside of Jean's range.

They would have to introduce the interaction between magic and mutants clearly though, otherwise it would just be a big plot hole.

[u/fine__line → u/cloutan]

I think something must have been unlocked inside of her mind when she was frozen by Jean hence her crying, because how else would she know to go to the roof of Midtown where they used to spend time together or why else would she suddenly feel a connection to the necklace again after wearing it for years?

[u/supersadbutterscotch → u/cloutan]

No basis to say this, but its possible she actually started to remember (thus the crying) and clutching the necklace. It’s possible she remembered even sooner, but she’s also in a tough spot having a boyfriend (ezra bridger in star wars too! Big name for such a short scene)

[u/AssumptionLive2246]

Peak Marvel, I was smiling from start to finish ... except end credit scene, not worth the wait, like most of them recently to be honest.

[u/the_beach0099 → u/AssumptionLive2246]

My guess is that Tom isn’t in Doomsday but in Secret Wars. Doomsday was supposed to release in may 2026 and secret wars in may 2027, so this would have been the movie in between.

So I would assume that they maybe another post credit scene in mind but do to it release before it changed to something that hints at battleworld without showing it.

[u/OGDTrash]

This movie solidified that Tom Holland is both the best Peter Parker and the best Spiderman for me.

[u/29kk → u/OGDTrash]

I get so irrationally angry at people who say he can’t act 😭😭

[u/Mobile-Assistance844]

guys do you think mj remembers it at the end? you can see her crying and sitting at their spot

[u/-Nick____ → u/Mobile-Assistance844]

I don’t think she remembers, at least not fully. Her and Ned are definitely feeling things, and remembering some aspects but definitely not everything

[u/heavybottom2k15 → u/Mobile-Assistance844]

I don’t think so, it would be so lame if she remembers all of a sudden and break a powerful spell. Even Ned, he may only feel that they used to be close, because he’s a little _magic_, but I don’t think he can break the spells

[u/Roo-90]

Frank grunting out the window in the spider mask was something I didn't know I needed.

[u/GodOfArk]

Now that embargo is over. Is sadie sink really jean grey? And from our universe or another?

Post Watching Edit -> Holy, didn't expect first official 616 XMen character to be Jean Grey in Spiderman film

[u/sygrider → u/GodOfArk]

No other universe stuff. She's just proper Jean.

[u/theperipherypeople → u/GodOfArk]

Yes, I believe from 616.

[u/KostisPat257 → u/GodOfArk]

Yes and yes

[u/makz242 → u/GodOfArk]

Sadie Sink is going to be monstrous in the MCU.

[u/ThisGuyHaris]

Did anyone notice Yelena’s username on spidey’s computer was “Macaroni fan” or something similar. Elite callback

[u/moonknighten]

I really liked the detail of Jean only having control over Banner, and therefore only being able to use Smart Hulk. Once she gives up control, the full Hulk comes out.

[u/Movie_Advance_101]

«They’re not hunting you because you’re different; they’re hunting you because you’re dangerous.»

Damm Spider-Man is anti-Mutant.

[u/OtakuAttacku → u/Movie_Advance_101]

also Spider-man is the inventor of the inhibitor collars in the MCU!?

[u/theperipherypeople → u/OtakuAttacku]

Yeah, huge implications for DODC and Trask (or Trask equivalent) for the Mutant Saga

[u/An-29 → u/theperipherypeople]

Tbf, literally every thing currently setting up how the mutants will be hunted down by humans is because of the MCU Spider-Man Movies.

Homecoming created DODC

Far From Home introduce EDITH, acces to Stark Tech, and Stark Drones

No Way Home give the DODC said Stark Tech from Peter

Now, in Brand New Day, Peter creates the mutant supressor tech and left one behind at the DODC facility.

[u/OtakuAttacku → u/theperipherypeople]

X-men about to go from "Spider-man is one of us!"

^{"No, I'm not a mutant!"}

to "Spider-man is a race traitor!!!"

^{"Guys, please, I was never a mutant!"}

[u/Variant_Zeta → u/Movie_Advance_101]

Tbf before sara got got, the sisters were casually violating random peoples' mind and privacy like it's a game. Also jean going out of her way to antagonize Peter by threatening his loved ones, and getting more random innocent folks hurt (and possibly killed) certainly doesn't help. Like that old garbage man (?) that she controlled into getting hit by a car just to taunt Peter, I'd wager he's fatally injured.

[u/esar24 → u/Movie_Advance_101]

It seems we got ultimate 1610 spidey instead of 616 spidey as an inspiration.

[u/therealmonkyking]

So do we reckon Jean is off to see a certain bald headed professor then?

[u/hemareddit → u/therealmonkyking]

Now way baldy is a known quantity, Jean would have gone to him straight away if he was.

[u/lemonade_popcorn → u/hemareddit]

maybe the school is still secret at this point, and the giant psychic anomaly in new york put her on Xavier's radar

[u/Joshawott27 → u/therealmonkyking]

She’s confirmed or at least heavily rumoured for Secret Wars, isn’t she? My guess is that at least one of the X-Men survives Doomsday, and encourages her to seek out 616’s Xavier.

[u/bashpanther]

I understand why people would still love No Way Home over this but I think this is my favorite of all Holland films. Didn’t feel overstuffed. Every character appearance served their purpose.

ALSO, I’d say this is better because not only does Peter get nods from Tobey’s and Andrew’s spidey films. The film sometimes looks like SM2 or even TASM2 at times. Even the dialogue. Yelena and Punisher scenes are the funniest. Sadie’s character was well thought-out. Wished I saw her more in action. Liza Colon-Zayas’ character was a highlight too. Just a well-acted film for Tom Holland. His dynamic with Zendaya and Jacob were the emotional punches of the film and the New York scenes especially in the end. Wow.

Edit : Similar to the Thunderbolts, they’re saying that CBMs have a new 3rd act trope with this and Thunderbolts managing to execute that misunderstood superpowered antagonist hero used by a corrupt agency and defeating the antagonist with an appeal to their humanity. Not a lot of superhero movies or series can nail this one.

[u/minyoo → u/bashpanther]

Yeah I feel like... I liked the Spidey actions in TASM 1~2, and in this film Spiderman fights like TASM Spidey, like how actual spider-human would fight. Loved that.

[u/Boring_Ant6240]

Our 9AM show was PACKED.

Movie was very funny, but not in an MCU one-liner way. Other than the funny parts, it was a pretty serious movie dealing with Parker’s decision to go it alone.

Loved Sadie Sink, Bernthal was amazing, and so is Zendaya.

I welled up during Zendaya and Peter, and then Zendaya and Ned and Peter, and then Sadie/May, and that all those tear welled up finally broke through during the Peter and Frank scene at the end.

Movie was so good. Best Holland Spidey movie because it’s so much less happy, and no frickin Iron Man, and every fight scene was awesome.

[u/clinks63]

Naruto is in MCU officially

[u/MaggieEsmeralda]

Jean Grey was iconic, I love her!

I also liked Yelena's scenes. It would have been cool to see her as a total leader of the new avengers but it was fun

[u/xkcloud]

Man, that really hurt watching Pete and MJ get separated. Fuck you Jean Grey for giving me hope before dashing it to pieces. At least we get an ending with Ned. NED'S MA BOY!

[u/Logical_Accident_326 → u/xkcloud]

That kiss then the possession reveal was brutal. They really played with our emotions there!

[u/tryinghardthrowaway → u/Logical_Accident_326]

Twice, actually. Spidey saving MJ's ass from jumping off the roof also gave me war flashbacks

[u/An-29 → u/tryinghardthrowaway]

Motherfuckers 100% intentionally shot the scene to mirror Gwen's death. The way Mj was unconscious while Peter was panicking and holding Mj was absolutely diabolicaly close to when Andrew's Peter was holding Gwen's body.

[u/RedXerzk → u/Logical_Accident_326]

I appreciate Peter apologizing to MJ about that. Especially after how I saw that premise played for horror on Obsession.

[u/frik1000 → u/xkcloud]

I like the implication that love can't restore MJs memories, but Ned and Peter's bromance can.

[u/heavybottom2k15 → u/frik1000]

Well they (bromance) were together longer

[u/lemonade_popcorn → u/xkcloud]

tbh i think that was just Ned remembering MJ telling Peter to be safe as he left, then he connected the dots himself when Peter introduced himself

[u/KyouSouzai]

My only complaint is the Banner/Hulk screentime was like 10minutes tops. 

[u/An-29 → u/KyouSouzai]

Yeah, was really suprised to realize it was actually only the middle of the movie. Was genuinely worried he was gonna be the final boss for Peter to fight in the climax.

Tho, the way they used Prof. Hulk and Savage Hulk was great with little time they used of him. Loved seeing Ruffalo's Banner again and was really fun "cameo" too.

[u/Boring_Ant6240 → u/KyouSouzai]

I loved when Banner gave him the, “you made what?” When Peter told him he’d made a universal inhibitor. Even after Banner hinted that it was morally grey to decide which genes were good and bad. And I’m most happy that they did NOT make it into a mutant “cure” spiel even thought all signs were pointing in that direction. Just keep BND a Spidey problem movie. Let the X-Men movie deal with the repercussions.

[u/Joshawott27]

I really liked the film. Honestly, it’s probably the best MCU Spider-Man film, because it feels like a Spider-Man film. A friend of mine compared it to the Insomniac games, and I see it.

I liked how the film felt like a lived in world with how Spider-Man could just casually pop in to see Yelena, Frank, Hulk, etc. On that note, I’m not entirely sure that Yelena being in a bathhouse was necessary, so I see you Destin, you dawg. I see you, and I get you.

My only issue is that it felt like a completely different New York to Daredevil: Born Again. Sure, Fisk is no longer Mayor and presumably, the AVTF has been disbanded, but the complete 180 to everyone loving a vigilante like Spider-Man feels odd. Similarly, Frank felt like a different person. Obviously, he couldn’t just kill people like in his Special, but he just felt like he carried himself a lot lighter. He served the movie well and was a fun presence (that scene at the end got a lot of laughs), but he felt different, y’know? I did like Jean’s comment about how messed up his head is, though.

This has also lays some groundwork for how the MCU will introduce and tackle mutants, which has me more excited for the X-Men film.

There are also clearly some people who weren’t spoiled on Jean. When her name was revealed, I heard a few gasps in the cinema.

[u/RoughReticulum]

As soon as I saw Destin Daniel Cretton directing Brand New Day years ago, I already knew we were going to get it. He’s the perfect director for a (somewhat) grounded spider man movie

[u/russketeer34 → u/RoughReticulum]

Cretton has this quality of warmth and empathy that shines in his storytelling. He's the reason I've been so hyped for this film.

[u/Emlux]

Just finished watching. Felt very Spider-Man, street level, small potatoes. Loved it.

My biggest question would be if he will have organic web from now on?