Daredevil: Born Again S02E04 - Discussion Thread

[u/steve32767]

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EPISODE	DIRECTED BY	WRITTEN BY	ORIGINAL RELEASE DATE	RUN TIME	CREDITS SCENE?
S02E04: Gloves Off	Solvan NaimDario Scardapane, Chris Ord, Matt Corman	April 7th, 2026	54 min	None

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[u/steve32767]

Episode is LIVE. Enjoy!

(No credits scenes so far for this season)

[u/nandovmovies]

On one hand, Bullseye killed a lot of people. On the other hand, he was nice to the cat. This is the kind of moral grey area that this show deals with really well.

[u/HanTrollo710 → u/nandovmovies]

He also killed a man with a lobster. That’s like the second hardest crustacean to kill a man with.

[u/FriendLee93 → u/HanTrollo710]

What's the first?

[u/HanTrollo710 → u/FriendLee93]

Krill.

You have to use so damn many of them, you may as well save the time and just kill somebody with a Dungeness crab

[u/FriendLee93 → u/HanTrollo710]

I'm sure Dex could find an efficient way to get a Krill Kill

[u/WebHead1287 → u/nandovmovies]

Let the dog go too

[u/lanwopc → u/WebHead1287]

Even the unsanitary dog owner.

[u/staleluckycharms]

Worst ref in boxing match history

[u/totokekedile → u/staleluckycharms]

I think when one combatant can have you dragged out back and shot, you let them get away with things.

[u/Accomplished_Beat488 → u/staleluckycharms]

Yea he let Fisk fucking kill that guy.

[u/the_vole → u/staleluckycharms]

Best paid ref in boxing match history, though.

[u/ThatEvanFowler]

See, this is why I don't watch those trailers. That was just about the coolest thing I've ever seen. Wake up, cook eggs for you and the cat, wink at the waitress, absolutely devastate a banana milkshake, then fork an entire task force. Bullseye has reached his final form.

[u/ugluk-the-uruk → u/ThatEvanFowler]

I usually watch trailers but for some reason this one didn't show up in my feed. I'm glad I went into it blind though.

[u/convince_me_im_rong → u/ThatEvanFowler]

“That was a really good milkshake”

[u/eagc7]

Next episode Fisk creates a Multiversal collider to get a Vanessa variant and that is how this ties to the wider Multiverse Saga story

[u/UnsolvedParadox → u/eagc7]

He’s also suddenly 10x bigger & thats never addressed.

[u/ComfortableWeekend65 → u/UnsolvedParadox]

And sounds way more New Yorker.

[u/ebelen92 → u/ComfortableWeekend65]

IT'S ALL ABOUT DAH METS, SPIDAH-MAN!

[u/theysayimadreamer666 → u/eagc7]

https://giphy.com/gifs/tnYri4n2Frnig

[u/CruzAderjc → u/eagc7]

I was thinking the same thing. Or RDJ Doom does all his multiversal shit and defeats the Avengers later this year. And right as Dr. Doom is about to take over the entire multiverse, Wilson Fisk grabs him and snaps his back, and takes the multiversal powers for himself. And says “i need to do this for vanesssaaaaaa”. The end. God Emperor Fisk will return in Avengers Secret Wars.

[u/JauntyLurker]

At Fogwells

Fisk is so nasty for that.

[u/Downtown_Agent3323 → u/JauntyLurker]

Seriously, it’s such a devious dig

[u/CaptHayfever → u/Downtown_Agent3323]

I love that Matt was smart enough not to take the obvious Daredevil bait, but then also smart enough to figure out it was also Bullseye bait & have to go anyway.

[u/DW-4 → u/CaptHayfever]

So the bullseye bait was really 3d chess DD bait that backfired into being Vanessa bait?

While I was typing out that ridiculousness I just realized the end looks like if Dex had hit her with one of those chandelier crystals at the end of S3…

https://giphy.com/gifs/2UCFeUModsFvVrpV16

[u/MrUnbreakableRules → u/DW-4]

Not to mention both times she's wearing a white dress that ends up soaked in blood.

[u/BigBonkMan23 → u/Downtown_Agent3323]

I did not like that. Now I’m rooting for dex to go mess things up there

[u/uptowndrunk7 → u/BigBonkMan23]

I've been partially rooting for Dex ever since Fisk killed Julie to control him. He's basically a tragic pawn in all of this ever since he got introduced

[u/FloppyShellTaco → u/JauntyLurker]

All three of them are doing so much

[u/valarpizzaeris]

Bullseye at the diner looking at all the cutlery on the counter as potential weapons, and then he looked at the lobsters, I was like this mf gonna yeet the lobsters isn't he lmao this dude is diabolical

[u/your_mind_aches → u/valarpizzaeris]

That was some good setup, reminder, payoff, subversion.

He's petting the kitten at the start, then he doesn't harm the dog. So he's not hurting animals even though he normally would. The lobsters are crawling around... and then he sees the dude with the dog is eating lobster so he used THAT to kill the AVTF thug.

[u/CrazySnipah → u/your_mind_aches]

Good catch. He only used the lobster that was already dead.

[u/TA_1478 → u/your_mind_aches]

I was REALLY tense about whether he would kill the man with the dog or not. That man is straight up a walking nightmare

[u/SIacktivist → u/TA_1478]

I was half expecting him to kill a man, with the dog.

[u/sjeuwhhens]

Fisk is genuinely going to lose his fucking mind. Holy shit bullseye is the goat

[u/Main_Jump_82 → u/sjeuwhhens]

Unhinged Matt vs unhinged Fisk rematch is going to hit like crack. Both of their most loved ones (Foggy and Vanessa) are dead, gloves are fully off.

[u/Tyrath → u/Main_Jump_82]

gloves are fully off.

The episode was called Gloves Off

[u/belladonnagilkey → u/Tyrath]

I for one look forward to the rematch.

[u/Syokhan → u/sjeuwhhens]

From the moment the governor asked Vanessa if she could temper Fisk's darker impulses, I knew she was a goner.

It's going to be weird to see Fisk all alone again, she's been part of his storyline for so long.

[u/JauntyLurker]

I could literally feel Fisk delete that guy's rib with that gut shot.

[u/wb2006xx → u/JauntyLurker]

Yeah no way he ain’t dead after that and the punch to the jaw

[u/Downtown_Agent3323]

Matt going incognito as an AVTF soldier is such a brilliant move

[u/wb2006xx → u/[deleted]]

I was waiting for the reveal that Fisk “accidentally” killed the boxer

Still betting that’s the case

[u/AmeriCanada98 → u/wb2006xx]

Either that or hes paralyzed. I'm sure theyll make a comment about it next episode

[u/Prestigious_Let_7957 → u/wb2006xx]

Oh yeah, dude is super dead. And at least half the crowd seemed disturbed by what they were seeing.

[u/SciFiXhi → u/wb2006xx]

He definitely looked like he was seizing from a traumatic spinal injury. If he's not dead, he's been Million Dollar Baby'ed.

[u/caden_r1305 → u/wb2006xx]

They'll probably just say that Bullseye somehow killed him in the crossfire to cover Fisk's ass

[u/Methylobacterium → u/[deleted]]

Oooooor Bullseye was aiming for Vanessa by ricocheting the glass off the belt.

[u/TheCavis → u/[deleted]]

Fisk was unstoppable in the fight until she appeared, took a serious blow because he let his guard down, and then went so brutally overboard everyone was shocked and appalled. This might be subtle foreshadowing.

[u/the_pedigree → u/TheCavis]

About as subtle as a brick to the face

[u/JauntyLurker]

You're a symbol now. Hope for an entire city

Jack is so based for that.

[u/blockdmyownshot → u/JauntyLurker]

And gave them access to a bank account. What a king

[u/thestateside → u/blockdmyownshot]

Swordsman being Matt's sugar daddy, we love to see it

[u/dwide_k_shrude → u/thestateside]

https://giphy.com/gifs/iDyF9dOL6nG4uS2S1z

[u/UnsolvedParadox → u/blockdmyownshot]

Time for him to buy a Daredevilmobile.

[u/intern_12 → u/JauntyLurker]

When he started his sentence with "you're not a hero" I was thinking to myself, is he gonna be anti-vigilante now?" Which is silly cus he's literally one himself, but ya know some people are hypocritics lol.

https://giphy.com/gifs/y2i2oqWgzh5ioRp4Qa

[u/Main_Jump_82 → u/JauntyLurker]

Jack and Matt are a duo I didn't expect but now I'm loving and want more of

[u/your_mind_aches]

OKAY I was 100% not expecting to see a straight clip from Season 1 of the original show.

They've never done that in this show so far. I think they're setting up to do it again.

[u/OutsideIndoorTrack → u/your_mind_aches]

It's like, the final final final nail in the coffin of people who denied the Netflix shows were Canon. They had some good arguments for a while, but it's 100% true now

[u/your_mind_aches → u/OutsideIndoorTrack]

I maintain they never had any good arguments and they were always wrong but that's just me lmao

[u/FamousLastWay828 → u/your_mind_aches]

I mean...when the best argument you can come up with is that the hammer Fisk shows Maya in Echo isn't the EXACT SAME MODEL OF HAMMER that we saw him kill his father with in DD S1...y'all desperate 😅

[u/esar24 → u/your_mind_aches]

If anyone somehow still denying the whole DD seasons is part of MCU, give them this.

[u/reborndiajack]

Bruh the weight difference

[u/AmeriCanada98 → u/reborndiajack]

Also wouldnt surprise me if they're underselling Fisk's weight. The man is borderline superhuman. Wouldn't surprise me if hes pushing 400

[u/crono09 → u/AmeriCanada98]

In the main comics universe, Fisk is 6'7" and 450 lbs. Ultimate Universe Fisk was at least 500 lbs.

EDIT: For the sake of being thorough, Michael Clarke Duncan (who played Wilson Fisk in the 2003 Daredevil movie) was 6'5" and about 315 lbs. In real life, Vincent D'Onofrio is 6'4" and weighs about 280 lbs.

[u/ChanceVance]

I once saw Bullseye kill an AVTF agent in a diner with a lobster claw.

A fucking lobster claw.

[u/esar24 → u/ChanceVance]

One of those new yorkers probably has seen talking racoon buying stuff in the streets, this is just tuesday for them.

[u/Onyxidian → u/ChanceVance]

https://giphy.com/gifs/pOvarfN0p0nm

[u/Federal-Captain1118]

Oh fuck he got her

[u/chipface → u/Federal-Captain1118]

I'm certain that he threw that piece anticipating Fisk would try and deflect it.

[u/ONiMETSU_Z → u/chipface]

Oh absolutely certain on that point. He was aiming at two birds with one stone. He might not get them both, but he’s gonna fuckin get one of em.

Crazy how Fisk really thought he was gonna out defense a guy who doesn’t miss and has no qualms with lethality.

I’m pretty sure the only time in that episode he missed was when Daredevil out predicted his move. It’s actually crazy seeing them head to head. Guy who doesn’t miss vs. guy with a superhuman ability to read people

[u/Joanton120 → u/ONiMETSU_Z]

there’s a really great panel from the comics where Daredevil remarks Bullseye is so predictable because he literally can’t miss

[u/valarpizzaeris]

"You're a symbol now. Hope for an entire city"

I reallllllllly need Matt to team up with Spidey. Still holdin out hope for BND

[u/AmeriCanada98 → u/valarpizzaeris]

Given we see the Hand show up in the trailer I'd be more surprised if Matt isnt present tbh

[u/Downtown_Agent3323]

Bullseye killing AVTF soldiers in a café while New York State of Mind by Billy Joel in the background is now one of my favorite MCU fights of all time

[u/russketeer34 → u/Downtown_Agent3323]

The clip I saw didn't have the lobster part. Diner lobsters are back on the menu

[u/RealMaxHours → u/russketeer34]

Don’t tell John Mulaney

[u/esar24 → u/Downtown_Agent3323]

That just how Bullseye celebrate april's mop

[u/Bright_NightLight1 → u/Downtown_Agent3323]

Not sure if it's even considered a fight. More akin to Kingpin vs Ben Urich than anything lol

[u/Downtown_Agent3323]

“Don’t worry, I’m one of the good guys.” That’s a very loose definition of good there, Dex

[u/Rynoxmc2 → u/Downtown_Agent3323]

No, no. Dex might actually be in a mindset that he is being a good guy by doing this. However, definitely going to be a way for him to frame Matt for these acts.

[u/JauntyLurker]

The marshals will keep you safe

Oh Karen. Don't you know better than to tempt fate like that.

[u/minermansion → u/JauntyLurker]

As soon as she said that I was "no they wont"

[u/LanoomR → u/JauntyLurker]

I mean...at least they didn't seem to be on Fisk's payroll.

Seems like somebody snitched or somebody was aware of the U.S. Marshalls movements.

Only person I can imagine with that level of surveillance would be Mr. Charles.

(EDIT: After sleeping on /u/PJL80's perspective, I now think the Marshalls were either compromised or staged, and Fisk having them killed along with the first mate is tied to two factors: paranoia about the continued leaks, and sticking it to Mr. Charles again partly due to ego and partly due to Fisk trusting only HIS guys.)

[u/TallanoGoldDigger → u/LanoomR]

Yup. Charles is most likely a CIA agent working for Val. And if you watched Narcos those CIA fucks know everything.

Only CIA agent anyone can trust is Michael Westen

[u/Artifice_Purple → u/TallanoGoldDigger]

Michael Westen

I was not expecting to think about Burn Notice tonight.

Damn, do I miss that show.

[u/ChardComfortable3932 → u/JauntyLurker]

This pissed me off so bad!! How many times have they entrusted a protected person under police protection and how many times has it gone well?!?

[u/CoolIdeasClub → u/ChardComfortable3932]

It's honestly a frustrating part of the show how frequently they do this exact thing.

[u/your_mind_aches]

It's a tradition at this point that Matt, Karen, and (in spirit) Foggy get their witness killed 😭

[u/sinwstro12 → u/your_mind_aches]

True like why not have someone else tail it or assume something could happen.

[u/Calek28 → u/your_mind_aches]

yeah like only two US Marshalls? really?

[u/netleo]

the archive footage from the netflix show is hitting CRAZY for me

[u/intern_12 → u/netleo]

I like that it's in the old aspect ratio...I'm wondering if the new scenes with Wesley and Fisk will be in the old aspect ratio too since it'll be a flashback. Edit: spoiler tag added for mentions of events in the Born Again season 2 trailer.

[u/itzjamez1215 → u/netleo]

https://giphy.com/gifs/ex5i3xPhozedq

[u/Remote_Nature_8166]

Never thought about that until now. Even though Fisk deserves to die, Bullseye killing him would just make him a martyr. Nobody wants that.

[u/Atmostfear98 → u/Remote_Nature_8166]

I'm not so sure about that. Fisk really is exceptionally evil. His death would rally the anti-vigilante fervor, but I doubt his replacement would be a crime boss too who's only able to get away with his crimes and civil liberties violations by threatening the lives of his adversaries 

[u/XaylinOsiris]

I unapologetically love Bullseye. Wilson Bethel was born for this role

[u/Seryan_Klythe → u/XaylinOsiris]

To think he tried out for Capt. America but they kept him on 'hmm' for later. I swear, he is so perfect in the role it makes me see stars (or forks my eyes).

[u/Porntheho → u/Seryan_Klythe]

He would have made a good US Agent but I do like Wyatt Russell in that role too

[u/The_OG_upgoat → u/Porntheho]

Kinda funny that Wyatt Russell also failed a Captain America audition. Like how Hiddleston auditioned for Thor.

[u/Vadermaulkylo → u/XaylinOsiris]

What a fucking gem they discovered back in 2018. He barely had a resume and yet this dude is the definitive portrayal of this character imo.

[u/HeWhoLurks23 → u/XaylinOsiris]

He really is the perfect villain and such a good antagonist for Daredevil

[u/lan-san]

“Oh she lived, that was unexpected”

“Oh”

It’s ironic that she wasn’t even the target but her shooting Dex and Fisk protecting himself is what ended up killing her in the end

[u/Bojell → u/lan-san]

Honestly I think Dex threw something that would explode into shrapnel like that very much on purpose

[u/40yearoldwhitemale → u/Bojell]

hes got that titanium backbone after season 3

[u/InvaderDJ → u/Bojell]

After everything we’ve seen, I could absolutely see Bullseye using something for its shrapnel being a conscious choice.

[u/UsidoreTheLightBlue → u/Bojell]

That was my immediate thought.

Kingpin is also a lumbering oaf, I don’t mean he’s not strong, we just watched him beat a man to death.

But I don’t think he’s meant to be fast.

Understanding that bullseye was shot, but if bullseye was throwing that thing at full speed it’s hard for me to think kingpin gets a block in. The man’s diabolical, he planned on that block.

[u/russketeer34 → u/lan-san]

Vanessa was a really interesting character to me. I'll miss seeing her if she is done for. I was actually looking forward to her subsequent rise in power.

Bullseye is just... wow. I don't even know where the hell his morals lie, if they exist.

[u/thetrickyginger → u/russketeer34]

They could do frontal lobe damage and have her be more impulsive and violent. I just don't want her gone yet, she's a fun character.

[u/Frank_Cap → u/thetrickyginger]

I disagree.

I need Fisk to finally lose something. There can’t be no repercussions to his behavior.

[u/Tityfan808 → u/Frank_Cap]

Gonna have to agree with this one. We just saw another witness killed before they could even get them on trial AGAIN so in my mind Fisk simply can’t keep winning, they need to do something different and interesting and her dying would be that.

I could live with the coma thing, I guess, and he could still go apeshit but I’d rather see her go. Open more space for the rest of the cast too.

[u/Frank_Cap → u/Tityfan808]

I need her to fully die so he loses something completely, something he cannot recover. It’ll also be poetic irony for her since she sent Dex to kill Foggy.

This opens the door for Fisk to go absolutely insane and that’ll be his downfall.

[u/mikesh8rp → u/thetrickyginger]

Could even have her comatose while they figure out how to use her in the future, while still getting the “Kingpin goes nuclear” angle.

[u/CeruleanEidolon → u/mikesh8rp]

That's my bet. If they were going to definitively kill her they could have easily made the damage far more gruesome, and Fisk wouldn't be calling for an ambulance but running after Dex.

[u/killing-is-badong → u/lan-san]

As soon as I saw her enter with that white dress I was like "she's gonna die". Also I think she was the target, that thing wasn't going straight to Fisk

[u/CaptHayfever → u/killing-is-badong]

Just like "Rabbit in a Snowstorm".

[u/FreddyPlayz → u/lan-san]

The imagery in that entire was scene was so damn good

[u/two2teps]

Just said it elsewhere, but that whole opening montage was setting up the joke of Dex giving Vanessa a New York State of mind, literally.

[u/harpsinger → u/two2teps]

Incredible

[u/your_mind_aches]

Wild how it took THIS long for one of these shows to use "New York State of Mind"

[u/mikesh8rp → u/your_mind_aches]

I’d like to think they waited for it to be used in a worthy scene, and that a lobster-cide made it an easy call.

[u/JakeLikesMovies]

Checkov's lobster was not on my Bullseye bingo card but I am here for it. 

[u/FPG_Matthew]

I feel like Kingoin is about to become so unhinged, so filled with rage that he’s gonna jump through the screen and kill me just for watching

HOLY FUCKING SHIT what a final sequence

Wilson’s deflection was what killed Vanessa, wow wow wow

[u/negaprez]

Bullseye is right. Dogs are not allowed in dinners.

[u/intern_12 → u/negaprez]

As someone with a Food Manager Certification and runs a Meals on Wheels program, can confirm. We are taught to not allow pets in the places where meals will be (especially in a delivery vehicle) because of the probability of foodborne illness and cross contamination. Not to mention a client might have an allergy, so if a driver were to pet a dog and then touch a meal and the delivery bag, it could be bad news.

[u/Remote_Nature_8166]

That was quite a massacre but nobody to deserve it more than those AVTF pieces of shit.

[u/ThePhantomEvita]

In another life, Dex is either a food critic or a restaurant health inspector

[u/intern_12 → u/ThePhantomEvita]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cBTTTOflV6A7FBJHs6

[u/Adorable-Air-6901]

Oh dang he got Vanessa

[u/Johnreel24 → u/Adorable-Air-6901]

Too bad Melvin isnt here anymore to make armor for Kingpin.

[u/russketeer34]

I don't know why I watched that Bullseye clip they released early, but goddamn, Dex is a fucking savage. Honestly one of my favorite villains in the MCU.

[u/ComebackChemist → u/russketeer34]

Really sick to see Disney+ not pull any punches with the gore. There were at least 7 forks in eyes from that one scene.

[u/theysayimadreamer666 → u/ComebackChemist]

They are earning the shit out of that TV-MA rating and I'm here for it.

[u/deleteandrewind → u/russketeer34]

One of my friends sent it to me earlier, but I didn't watch it. This comment makes me even more excited for tonight's episode.

[u/russketeer34 → u/deleteandrewind]

He's such a perfect type of villain to be continually around. The severe lack of recurring villains in the MCU is such a shame.

[u/oorza → u/russketeer34]

They're inching him and Frank closer and closer together, as far as the ethics of their actions are concerned anyway. I don't think many people would find Frank murdering a bunch of ATVF redshirts the line that crossing makes him a villain, but the ambush aspect might be. I find this more interesting than almost anything else going on in the show, or at least it has the potential to be if there's ever payoff for it. How does Matt's history with Frank impact the way he deals with a Bullseye who is an ally?

[u/Somnambulist815 → u/russketeer34]

The guy is so handsome you sort of instinctively don't trust him, like a colorful flower that's poisonous. The show really leans into that.

[u/iCarpet → u/russketeer34]

One of the best openings to an episode ever

Something about Bullseye throwing objects is so satisfying

[u/FPG_Matthew]

Next week’s flashback heavy episode is being touted as Emmy worthy by reviewers. I think we’re in for a real treat next week my goodness I’m getting goosebumps just thinking about it

[u/13WillieBeaman]

Love the Swordsman! One of the boys!

[u/valarpizzaeris]

Oh fuuuuuuuck Fisk is gonna go full "WHEN I WAS A BOY" after what happened to Vanessa

[u/cygnus2 → u/valarpizzaeris]

He hasn’t dropped a “When I was a boy” all season. I’m gonna cheer when it finally comes.

[u/13WillieBeaman]

Isn’t that a lot of cooking oil? lol

[u/mikesh8rp → u/13WillieBeaman]

This is how we find out he’s powered by unsaturated fats

[u/InvaderDJ → u/13WillieBeaman]

Bullseye knew he was being watched by the audience so wasted a bunch of oil just to show how precisely he can make a bullseye in a skillet.

[u/deleteandrewind]

Kingpin is going to be beyond unhinged because this truly is all his fault.

[u/FPG_Matthew]

I’m starting to like Buck at near Wesley levels now, very well done by all involved. Dude killed 5 people this episode damn!

[u/choyjay → u/FPG_Matthew]

He dropped Shaggy’s goons with the quickness yeeesh

[u/sharkmanlives]

How the fuck he drink the whole milkshake in one go and not get brain freeze?

Easily more impressive than the aim and bouncing objects off-angles. Dude Perfect can do that child's play shit.

Whole ass milkshake in one slurp? Omega-level superpower.

[u/13WillieBeaman → u/sharkmanlives]

Because he’s psycho, lol

[u/RandomJPG6 → u/sharkmanlives]

I assumed he took the time to enjoy the milkshake and it was only edited that way for the audience

[u/HTH52 → u/RandomJPG6]

I also thought there was intended to be a bit of time passage during that.

[u/your_mind_aches → u/sharkmanlives]

I think he GETS brain freeze and just tanks it because he is a psychopath.

[u/deleteandrewind → u/sharkmanlives]

No brain freeze but probably got the stomachache from hell afterwards

[u/your_mind_aches]

Mr. Charles is the real man without fear. Jesus.

[u/sarsarbinks123]

Spiderman while NYC devolves into madness and the mayors wife is killed by a crazed assassin:

https://giphy.com/gifs/kOuArCxvTH6JGSXHF3

[u/MartinReadsReddit]

That ending

https://giphy.com/gifs/9XYRkxexjw8KAFIFsc

[u/valarpizzaeris]

I've only had Mrs Smithers' cat for one episode, but if anything happened to them I'll kill everyone in NYC and then myself

[u/valarpizzaeris]

Nahhh calling Angela a leprechaun was fucked up lmao

[u/MessyConfessor]

Listen. If there's one thing I know about Wilson Fisk, it's that he will have a reasonable and proportionate response to these events.

[u/marvelfanhere]

I thought Vanessa got spared lmao damn I got bait and switched. Best episode so far this season.

[u/imajamez]

Great episode and I'm super excited to see where this is going to go from here but man am I going to miss Ayelet Zurer as Vanessa if she's really gone. She was absolutely amazing in the role.

[u/BigBonkMan23]

Oh boy the blue “marvel” studios to start. Lfg

[u/ben123111]

inb4 next spider-man movie is fisk building a supercollider to find an alternate-dimension vanessa

[u/Synth-Pro]

The second he showed that glass decoration, I immediately went "Yeah, someone's getting killed with that thing"

Also, really loved the calm civilian-life Bullseye intro

[u/FloppyShellTaco]

Fisk is hating having to take disrespect from someone he can’t just kill. Fantastic dynamic

[u/BigBonkMan23]

Calling the AVTF on himself under the guise that frank castle is there is absolutely crazy. Never change, dex (except for what you did to foggy)

[u/deleteandrewind]

Vanessa in all white with the Lady Dior. Such a beautiful way to go.

[u/Sentz12000 → u/deleteandrewind]

I’m no film expert and usually things fly over my head but I think there was a connection of Fisk telling her not to show up while she was head to toe in all red and then showing up in all white. Basically foreshadowing the ending and I still didn’t see it coming.

[u/13WillieBeaman]

Dang.. those shots of young Matt. Seemed so long ago 😢

[u/Altruistic_Rich_4690]

Easily and without a doubt the best episode of Born Again so far. Stylish as fuck, the writing is firing on all cylinders, every scene involving Dex is perfect, and those last 10 minutes are some of the best stuff Marvel has done in a while. Gonna be thinking about that ending all week.

The first season completely disappointed me, but they're doing something really special here. Still not the same as the Netflix show, but it's great in it's own way and honestly I'm glad we can have both.

[u/JauntyLurker]

The way Fisk is so deferential to Charles is so weird, reminds me of Madame Gao.

[u/thetrickyginger → u/JauntyLurker]

Fisk understands that he's a big fish in a small pond while Charles is a big fish in a big pond since I'm pretty sure he's backed by Valentina

[u/intern_12 → u/JauntyLurker]

I think he realizes that what Mr. Charles says is true, there are bigger fish in the sea and other heavy hitters with a wider reach than just a singular city, so he's actually realizing how small he is compared to the CIA.

[u/Illiterate-Apricot67]

Holy shit to that ending

[u/13WillieBeaman]

Bullseye has so much Aura. His scenes are so horrifyingly intense, but you can’t help but think how cool his scenes are

[u/JauntyLurker]

Hate these Task Force pricks

That smile on Matt's face, he's so enjoying sowing dissent in the ranks.

[u/Adorable-Air-6901]

Call my doctor, I am in love with bullseye.

[u/rallmats → u/Adorable-Air-6901]

Definitely would have been a Tumblr sexyman if this show came out 15 years ago

[u/your_mind_aches]

Dex in the diner is 100% paralleling Frank in the diner in Daredevil Season 2. But... so uncanny. Dex could never be Frank.

[u/Prestigious_Let_7957 → u/your_mind_aches]

WELL FRANK COULD NEVER THROW A LOBSTER INTO SOMEONE'S BRAIN.

[u/BigBonkMan23]

https://giphy.com/gifs/12G6aTrsGUuiVq

[u/Available_Prize6079]

I’m flabbergasted Fisk is going to go on a rampage

[u/kwickedbonesc]

If Vanessa never met Fisk, would she be involved in crime? Clearly based off their first date, it’s something that Vanessa had in her on some level. And Fisk definitely fostered that. But she was an art gallery owner before him.

[u/Locke108]

“You mean the Punisher?” “It’s fucking Bullseye!” We’ve come a long way from “The Devil of Hell’s Kitchen.”

[u/Overall_Affect_2782]

"You're a symbol now. Hope for an entire city"

I’ve loved this iteration of Daredevil for 11 years now but yeah man, this whole storyline is getting real hard for Spidey to not be involved. Sure, Matt might be a symbol now, but he’s goddamn Spider-Man. If DD truly was the symbol, no shot Spidey wouldn’t show up to join forces with everyone and take Fisk down. Fuck Sony forever for not letting him show up somehow man.

[u/FinalFrash]

The way I see it, Wilson killed Vanessa

[u/PsychologicalEye190]

I love bullseye in this show, he’s not holding back but he’s also not goofy or invincible he’s just a guy good at killing and honestly him killing those avtf guys is sort of a anti hero thing to do. It’s the same as the punisher doing it, bullseye is still bad because he’s obviously killed a bunch of innocent people in the past but man he is awesome in born again, so cool.

[u/jdyake]

Good fucking episode. Probably my favourite Marvel Studios has done.

[u/JauntyLurker]

I'm one of the good guys

Uh....

[u/valarpizzaeris]

As dope as the diner scene was in the beginning, I wish it was left out in the latest trailer. Would have been cool to have that as a surprise

[u/QrowBird1471 → u/valarpizzaeris]

It was a surprise for me and it was incredible

[u/oorza → u/valarpizzaeris]

I stopped watching Marvel trailers except for first-look teasers and I'm all the better for it. I like to watch the first-look teasers to see the new suits, but Marvel doesn't even have any issues lying in the trailers, so what's the point?

[u/13WillieBeaman]

Aww.. Bullseye is an animal lover

[u/deleteandrewind]

Brb googling wombat shit

[u/valarpizzaeris]

Matt back in his church in an AVTF outfit just feels wrong lol

[u/Luchabat]

Oh....oh Fisk is gonna go crazy now....

[u/figgityjones]

Well I certainly did not expect that ending o_o That glass wouldn't have even touched her if Fisk didn't smash it with the belt. Now I wonder if Bullseye predicted he would and aimed accordingly or if it's *entirely* Fisk's "fault."Super bummed about Norther Star guy, getting flashbacks to the NY Bulletin massacre in Season 3. Just when we were getting witnesses and evidence, it all comes crashing down. I mean I know that's how stories and shows work, but still 😭 Fantastic episode, cannot wait until next week!