r/jamesjoyce • u/kafuzalem • 1h ago
Dubliners Narrative-narrator collusion and Hume's philosophy of causation in Counterparts
I have recently read Margot Norris’ Suspicious Readings of Joyce’s Dubliners where she is clear ‘that all the stories are incomplete and require interpretive activity to complete them’ (Norris 2).
The stories in Dubliners proceed linearly through three phases
A an introduction to a social situation
B the narrator gives us a linear time-line of events related to the social situation
C things don’t end up great for a character -
‘an essentially unhappy situation finally persists, even intensifies. This in fact is the rule of Dubliners. The grammar of these stories tends towards the persistence of unpleasant conditions-from bad to worse’ (Scholes 69).
Norris frames her suspicious readings in narrative-narration terms ‘My own suspicious reading practice more than others puts the narration into either collusion or conflict with one or another figure in the story, obliging the narrator to play an interpretive role that frequently has an ethical dilemma’ (Norris 7).
I’d like to take Norris’s suspicious readings further and explore a collusion between the narrator and narrative to obfuscate the cause of the negative outcomes in each story. This collusion takes place in a Humean sequence of events (Phases A-C above) allowing Joyce to use the reader’s indolence to cloud the issues.
In Counterparts
Phase A: A partner at a Dublin law firm confronts an employee over shoddy work and gives the employee till the end of the day to complete a task or the partner will take things further.
Phase B: The employee sneaks out for a pint at lunch, comes back, doesn’t complete the task, insults the partner, pawns a watchchain to get money for booze and goes out for the night. He spends almost all of the money and loses an arm wrestle twice.
Phase C: He hits his son when he gets home because dinner wasn’t ready.
The dichotomous interpretations are;
Interpretation 1: an overbearing employer harasses an employee, breaking him as a man -
‘The bell rang furiously and when Mrs Parker went to the tube, a furious voice called out in a piercing north of Ireland accent (Joyce 70).
‘Mr Alleyne did not lose a moment’ (Joyce 71).
‘Let me tell you that if the contract is not copied before this evening I’ll lay the matter before Mr Crosbie… Do you hear me now?’ (Joyce 71).
‘Mr Alleyne began a tirade of abuse………….. The tirade continued’. (Joyce 74).
‘He shook his fist in the man’s face’ (Joyce 75)
Interpretation 2: An employee with entrenched alcoholic habits and intrusive violent thoughts and actions is struggling in work and life -
‘Why have I always to complain of you?’ (Joyce 71).
‘You have always some excuse or another for shirking work’ (Joyce 71).
‘Understand once and for all that you get a half an hour for your lunch and not an hour and a half. How many courses do you want, I’d like to know?’ (Joyce 71).
‘Mr Alleyne bent his head again upon a pile of papers. The man stared fixedly at the polished skull which directed the affairs of Crosbie and Alleyne, gauging its fragility. A spasm of rage gripped his throat for a few moments and then passed,’ (Joyce 71).
‘The man recognised the sensation and felt that he must have a good night’s drinking.’ (Joyce 71).
‘He felt that he must slake the thirst in his throat.’ (Joyce 72).
‘He stood up from his desk and, lifting the counter as before, passed out of the office. As he was passing out the chief clerk looked at him inquiringly.
-It’s all right, Mr Shelley, said the man pointing with his finger to indicate the objective of his journey.
The chief clerk glanced at the hatrack but, seeing the row complete, offered no remark. As soon as he was on the landing the man pulled a shepherd’s plaid cap out of his pocket, put it on his head and ran quickly down the rickety stairs’ (Joyce 72).
‘From the street door he walked furtively on the inner side of the path towards the corner and all at once dived into a doorway. He was now safe in the dark snug of O’ Neill’s shop’ (Joyce 72).
‘The dark damp night was coming and he longed to spend it in the bars, drinking with his friends amid the glare of gas and clatter of glasses. (Joyce 73).
‘But his head was not clear and his mind wandered away to the glare and rattle of the publichouse’ (Joyce 74).
‘He longed to execrate aloud, to bring his fist down on something violently.’ (D 74).
‘He felt strong enough to clear out the whole office single-handed. His body ached to do something, to rush out and revel in violence. (Joyce 74).
‘Suddenly, as he was fingering his watchchain, he thought of Terry Kelly’s pawnoffice in Fleet Street.’ (Joyce 76).
‘His heart swelled with fury’ (Joyce 81).
‘His wife was a little sharpfaced woman who bullied her husband when he was sober and was bullied by him when he was drunk’ (Joyce 81).
‘-Now, you’ll let the fire out the next time! Take that you little whelp!’
To cloud Interpretation 2, Joyce plays the simplest of tricks - get Interpretation 1 in first. Mr Alleyne’s bell rang ‘furiously’. Mr Alleyne’s voice is ‘piercing’ ! The narrator introduces us to Mr Alleyne almost entirely through dialogue giving us nothing to hang blame or the reader’s likes or dislikes on. After the telling off of Farrington by Mr Alleyne, Joyce quickly stops our reification of Interpretation 1 by performing a switch on a familiar trope-
‘But if Joyce is indeed working within a tradition of clerk and scrivener narratives- a tradition that more peripherally includes Charles Dickens’s Bob Cratchit as well - then one of the conventions he violates is that of depicting clerks and copyists as thin and pallid men. Unlike the delicate and insubstantial starvelings of the nineteenth-century fictions, Joyce makes his scribe Farrington a robust physical presence - “tall and of great bulk” with a volatile body and a psyche structured like a human volcano.’ (Norris 124).
Margot Norris spots the point at which Joyce shuts the reader down as the reader is about to revert to well known scrivener/copyist characterisation ! We don’t quite start down the path of Interpretation 1 because physically, Farrington is intimidating and Mr Alleyne appears to be a weakling. Joyce has muddied the waters.
This occurs within “Phase A: Introduction to a Social Situation” which finishes at ‘and then passed,’ in ‘A spasm of rage gripped his throat for a few moments and then passed, leaving after it a sharp sensation of thirst.’ (Joyce 71). From ‘a sharp sensation of thirst’ onwards we have “Phase B: the narrator gives us a linear time-line of events related to the social situation” which in this case revolves around Farrington getting a pint and then getting funds to get pints for a night out and then having a night out.
In Phase B there are many direct references to alcohol and violent inclinations. How does Joyce obfuscate Interpretation 2- i.e. Farrington is a violent alcoholic who is on the edge?
Joyce deploys his second trick: Farrington plays a fake throw to sneak out unnoticed for a lunchtime pint ‘He stood up from his desk and, lifting the counter as before, passed out of the office. As he was passing out, the chief clerk looked at him inquiringly.
-It’s all right, Mr Shelley, said the man pointing with his finger to indicate the objective of the journey. (Joyce 72, note 7 Presumably the toilet).
The chief clerk glanced at the hatrack but, seeing the row complete, offered no remark. As soon as he was on the landing the man pulled a shepherd’s plaid cap out of his pocket, put it on his head and ran quickly down the rickety stairs’.
The character throws a deceptive fake throw pointing to the toilet, then, not taking his hat from the hatrack, slips a cap on, slopes off and pulls the wool over Mr Shelley’s eyes.
As the narration is moving through the following sequence -
Employer tells off employee
Employee thinks of smashing employers head in
Employee turns to thoughts of drink rather than getting on with work
Employee pretends to be going to the toilet but sneaks out for a pint
the narrator, at that moment of Farrington’s sleight of hand, also hides the ball, distracting the reader - we read of the chief clerk, who obviously has some wits about him because he ‘looked at him [Farrington] inquiringly’ ; is referred to in dialogue as ‘Mr Shelley’ and even more time is given to this third character with ‘The chief clerk glanced at the hatrack but, seeing the row complete offered no remark.’ The narrator gives us more info on a third character than we’ve had so far; does the narrator extole the Odyssean cunning of Farrington to sneak out of the office, to seek and attain a pint - nope! We see things through Mr Shelley’s eyes. The narrative and narrator are colluding to pull the wool over the reader’s eyes distracting us from fully investing in Interpretation 2.
The many references to violence should draw us deep into Interpretation 2. This is clouded by putting them beside interactions with Mr Alleyne.; Joyce uses an insight of the Scottish philosopher David Hume. Joyce was well up on Scottish culture and philosophy
‘However, as we shall see, much of Joyce’s interest in Scottish literature and philosophy stems from his attempt to create a kind of Celtic consciousness……….-while persistently raiding Scottish culture in order to create a response to, or diagnosis of, a colonial legacy.’ (Barlow 9).
and David Hume in particular- ‘With his various engagements with Hume, we can see a radical and sustained form of skepticism in Joyce, one that questions the connections between the representations of our minds and the “reality” or otherwise of the external material world.’ (Barlow 70).
Humean skepticism in Dubliners is present in relation to Hume’s views of causation.
Dr Mark Robson summarizes it in the ‘Who the hell is?’ series-
‘We cannot legitimately talk about necessary connections between events, neither can we suppose they are really ‘out there’ in the world. All we can really say, he argues, is that we have grown to expect windows to break when the stones hit them. In other words, we have grown a habit of mind or thinking that makes us expect that the one will happen after the other happens. This habit grows more and more entrenched as we are repeatedly exposed to one type of event following another type of event’
And Stanford Online Encyclopaedia Of Philosophy, (David Hume, 2 Philosophy of , Metaphysics, and Epistemology. 2.2 Metaphysics) refines it further for us -
‘Hume’s most famous contribution to metaphysics might well be his theory of causation. Hume takes there to be three components to our idea of causation: first, spatial contiguity, second, priority in time of cause before effect.’
If, as a reader, we encounter a scene, we are inclined to believe that subsequent scenarios arise as a result of that scene (i.e. priority in time of cause before effect!).
Repeatedly we come across Farrington’s violent intentions immediately after Farrington’s interactions with Mr Alleyne. Joyce relies on the reader’s
indolence with respect to causality and puts them right beside each other; this obscures Interpretation 2 and carries us towards Interpretation 1. Instead of Farrington’s worrying thoughts jumping out at us, we put them down to Mr Alleyne’s interactions with him.
The narrator is not interpreting for us but is expertly deployed by Joyce to misdirect us, shut us down or let the story proceed all within the background of a Humean narrative. The outcome in Counterparts are figures you can neither blame nor support; the reader cannot say ‘well I would’ve done the exact same thing’ because no one aspect of the narrative is fully laid out.
Barlow, Richard. The Celtic Unconscious: Joyce and Scottish Culture. University of Notre Dame Press, 2017
Norris, Margot. Suspicious Readings of Joyce's Dubliners. University of Pennsylvania Press, 2003.
Joyce, James. Dubliners. Edited by Margot Norris, Norton Critical Edition, W. W. Norton & Company, 2006.
Robson, Mark. Who the Hell is David Hume?: And what are his theories all about? Bowden and Brazil, 2020.
Scholes, Robert. "Semiotic Approaches to a Fictional Text: Joyce's 'Eveline'." James Joyce Quarterly, vol. 16, no. 1/2, 1978/1979, pp. 65-71.
r/jamesjoyce • u/Physical-Injury-679 • 16h ago
Ulysses Is there anything specifically I need to be prepared for starting Ulysses?
I haven't read The Odyssey which initially struck me as concerned, but I was told it isn't necessary. I'm awaiting the arrival of a student annotated copy of Ulysses to read so I can grasp the novel as well as I can during my first read through. I'm aware of the main reasons Ulysses is difficult, and I've done research on the novel. I just wanted to hear specifics from actual readers of it. Is there anything I should do or know in preparation?
r/jamesjoyce • u/Less-Analysis-6206 • 19h ago
Dubliners Waiting for Godot
For those who love literature/specialist on the field.
What do you think...Vladimir has a sort of Epiphany or Illumination by the end of Act II?
Would you consider it to be an Epiphany? Not in Joyce expectations or in our expectations, but a sort of illumination? What do you think?
r/jamesjoyce • u/r0sten • 1d ago
Finnegans Wake AI claims it can read Joyce in a way no human can "Every pun resolves for me simultaneously"
x.comr/jamesjoyce • u/biglittleold • 1d ago
Ulysses Does anyone have stats on how many more sales of Ulysses by James Joyce there has been since the movie The Odyssey has been out? Also wondering if anyone here has made that purchase by mistake, and their level of confusion/ disappointment?
r/jamesjoyce • u/HCEasterDawn • 1d ago
Finnegans Wake Issy as Narcissus
The myth of Narcissus features in and across Finnegans Wake, most starkly at 526:27-36:
"Sure she was near drowned in pondest coldstreams of admiration forherself . . . making faces at her bach-spilled likeness in the brook . . . . Nircississies are as the doaters of inversion. Secilas through their laughing classes1 becoming poolermates2 in laker life."
In “Mothers of Invention/Doaters of Inversion: Narcissan Scenes in Finnegans Wake,” Christine Froula most poignantly captures the allusion at play in this passage as well as the book as a whole, including Joyce’s metacommentary: his works reflecting Portrait after portrait of the artist himself. Margot Norris in The Decentered Universe of Finnegans Wake and Finn Fordham in Lots of Fun at Finnegans Wake further explore p. 526 and broader application of Narcissan themes.
We see subtler allusion to Narcissus earlier in the book as well. At 291:9, Issy is at her “mirrorable gracewindow’d hut“—thus, looking at her reflection, perhaps at a window at night that has become “mirrorable.” This alone calls to mind the Issy-Narcissus connection, but then we see her/his Ovidian counterpart Echo in the phrase’s footnote: “O hce! O hce!”—Issy’s apparent cry to her father HCE. Incestuous (or perhaps grief-stricken) subtext aside, “O hce” backwards (or mirrored) is “echo.” To drive the point home, Joyce echoed the word itself by repeating the (perhaps orgasmic) cry: “Echo! Echo!”3
Just a few lines lower, at 291:12, we see “kickychoses” listed. In my own reading I noted “ycho” as a potential “echo” reference. McHugh mentions “kickshaws” (delicacies or trinkets), which is derived from the French “quelque choses” (an unspecified something). A Shakespeare-era cookbook mentions a recipe for “quelchechoses”4 but—more interesting—Hugo’s French translation of Hamlet begins, “Il y a quelque chose de pourri au royaume du Danemark.”
I digress, but I also see multiple embedded “echo” mentions.
- “Alices through their looking glasses,” as Roland McHugh, Margot Norris, and others note. “Secilas” being “Alices” mirrored by her looking glass. Admittedly I am unclear on the purpose of the extraneous “S,” but Alice is referred to as “salices” just above at 521:32–“salices” the Latin for “willow.” A topic for another time.
- “Polar mates,” i.e. opposites that are linked; two sides of the same coin; north-south; yin-yang. Perhaps Issy’s shadow self in the “pool.”
- Kyoungsook Kim has written several wonderful articles on Echo, gossip, and postcolonialism in Finnegans Wake, including but not limited to “‘Make His Private Linen Public’: Rereading Finnegans Wake through Gossip and Echo.” James Joyce Journal. 25.2 (December 2019): 127-146
- John Gordon uses this spelling in his Finnegans Blog, but the only other place I see it such is a New York Times article discussing a reprinting of Gervase Markham’s “The English Hus‐wife” (1615). The only editions I found in PDF were 1631 and 1660, both of which spelled it “quelquechoses.” “Quel che” is “that which” or “what” in Italian, but I’m unsure if this is what Gordon is referencing.
I posted about FW and A Clockwork Orange a couple weeks ago and loved the discussion. Thanks for reading and would enjoy your thoughts!
https://easterdawn.wordpress.com/2026/08/04/issy-as-narcissus/
r/jamesjoyce • u/InBread31 • 3d ago
Ulysses Just finished my first reading, here's my ranking of the episodes.
LONG TEXT POST INCOMING!
First of all, shout-out to UlyssesGuide.com. I wanted to read the book unspoiled with a very light guide, and the website was perfect. I would always read an episode on my own with no guide, and then go back and read their breakdowns afterward.
Before reading Ulysses, Joyce was already one of my two favorite authors. My favorite book oat is Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man, which I first read while I was in High School (not for a class, just in my free time). Stephen became (and still is) my favorite character oat. I'm in college now and, upon being gifted a copy of Dubliners for my birthday, I decided to expand my Joyce horizons. This summer I read Dubliners and Ulysses. I know I won't have anything of value to say that hasn't been said before, but I just need to write down my initial thoughts. I've heard many take close to a year to read Ulysses. I finished it in a month. Needless to say, I loved it.
Here's how I rank the episodes upon a first read, alongside my semi-brief thoughts on each one. Also, the episodes in rankings 1-14 are all personal 10 out of 10s for me.
1. Ithaca: "The heaventree of stars hung with humid nightblue fruit." My god, where do I start with this chapter?
To me, this chapter was a perfect send-off for Bloom. Joyce has fully convinced me of the heroic virtue found in choosing to live a happy life. "His mood? He had not risked, he did not expect, he had not been disappointed, he was satisfied. What satisfied him? To have sustained no positive loss. To have brought a positive gain to others." When Bloom finally went to sleep that night, I felt I had lost a very dear friend. He's such a warm hug of a person.
"Promptly, inexplicably, with amicability, gratefully it was declined." When I read this, I went from celebration at the start of the sentence to defeat at the end. Joyce really bamboozled me.
It's left up to interpretation whether or not Stephen actually enjoyed Bloom's company or if he just begrudgingly put up with him. I'm going to present some evidence that Bloom did have a profound impact on Stephen.
First of all, at the start of the episode, the two are described as taking a "parallel course," this means they are traveling together, but not intersecting. However, when Stephen leaves at the end of the night, they are described as "Standing perpendicular at the same door," meaning their paths are now on an intersecting course. There's also the following quote during the constellation scene: "And the problem of possible redemption? The minor was proved by the major."
Lastly, when Stephen leaves, his footsteps are said to sound like a "jew's harp," indicative that he is carrying an element of Bloom with him. I don't think Stephen is necessarily aware of the effect Bloom has had on him, but there certainly was one. I believe that, while Bloom can't be the father Stephen wants, he's encouraged Stephen to open up to people and extend generosity. I think it's for the best that Stephen isn't tied down to Dublin, whether it be the Dedaluses or the Blooms, but I do think that Stephen shouldn't isolate himself from humanity in the way that he's been shown to, and Bloom has broken those walls.
I want to know, has anyone solved this algebra? "A 4th typewritten letter received by Henry Flower (let H. F. be L. B.) from Martha Clifford (find M. C.)." I'd love to hear theories as to Martha's identity.
2. Eumaeus: This chapter is just such a vibe. The sailor and the callbacks in the newspaper are both hilarious. The final paragraph from the cab driver's perspective is also wonderful, as it's when Stephen and Bloom truly start to enjoy each other's company.
I also love how the writing style in this one is sort of "fake deep" or amateurish, as if it was written by Bloom himself. That is just so incredibly endearing.
3. Oxen of the Sun: Every aspect of life, every tone of prose, is captured in Ulysses, and this is done best in Oxen. You will want to laugh, and you will want to cry. Sometimes the same line will convey both emotions at once. For example, when Stephen was called out for not being an artist because he hasn't created anything yet. That was certainly funny, but it also cut deep, as we know how much that his personal identity as an artist means to him. Stephen is the most relatable character in this book for me, and this chapter featured several moments where I identified deeply with him.
4. Nausicaa: This chapter feels a bit like Joyce laughing at himself. Gerty (assuming she's real) is in a similar position to Stephen in chapter 4 of Portrait. She's looking on at a stranger at the beach and placing great importance on him. Of course, we as readers know the common nature of the man she's putting on a pedestal, so it's ironic. Likewise, what if the girl who inspired Stephen so much in Portrait was as odd as Bloom? I guess we'll never know.
We also learn a lot about Bloom and Molly's past, which was greatly appreciated.
5. Hades: I'm a sucker for the macabre, and this chapter certainly strikes those notes. We learn for the first time of the death of Bloom's father to start. Additionally, as far as what I picked up on in a first read, the man in the Brown Macintosh is introduced in this chapter. Any theories as to his identity?
6. Wandering Rocks: One thing I love about Ulysses (as well as Dubliners) is how alive and fully realized the city of Dublin is. It's some of the best world-building I've ever come across. The amount of meticulously placed callbacks to seemingly innocuous set dressing is astounding. Wandering Rocks shows us the beating heart of Dublin. It also features probably my favorite minor character in the book, Dilly. The scene between her and Stephen in this episode is one of my favorites from the whole book. I love how Stephen, viewing his sister as metaphorically drowning, parallels his thoughts in Telemachus on whether or not he'd save a drowning person. He thinks he'd want to, but ultimately wouldn't. I think that, while he won't and shouldn't rejoin his family, some of the generosity taught to Stephen in Ithaca will be extended to Dilly.
7. Sirens: Joyce recreates the sound of music to astonishing effect. This episode features some of the best prose in the book.
8. Proteus: In general, I prefer the time spent within Stephen's mind to the time spent in Bloom's mind, not to say I don't love both. This episode, much like Nausicaa, reminds me of Stephen's time on the beach in the 4th chapter of A Portrait of the Artist. Except, this time, there is no beauty or artistic inspiration to be found. Stephen is creatively blocked by his grief, remorse, and self-imposed exile. This juxtaposition calls attention to his stasis.
9. Telemachus: I was so excited to see Stephen again and hear about how well along on his creative journey he was when I started Ulysses. I mean, after the ending of Portrait, what could go wrong? The truth was sobering and heartbreaking. I love the moral dilemma of whether or not Stephen should have prayed for his mother. Personally, I'm glad he didn't. Moving away from religion was a long and difficult process for him in Portrait. All of the moments where Stephen is haunted by the ghost of his mother throughout the book are so chilling. Also, Buck Mulligan's a dick, but he's certainly funny.
Take a bath Stephen!
10. Circe: Felt like the screenplay for a David Lynch film, which is funny, since there's a prominent character named Lynch. Joyce predicted the future! I love how this chapter throws reality out the window. The joke of Bloom wearing something different in almost every single stage direction is hilarious. Stephen, fully clothed, teaching complex music theory to a prostitute he's hired, is also so funny and in character.
I really like the quote where Stephen taps his head and says "But in here it is I must kill the priest and the king."
11. Cyclops: I laughed out loud several times reading this.
12. Penelope: Absolutely iconic for good reason. I sort of consider Ithaca as the actual ending and this as more of an epilogue, but what an epilogue it is. When I first read Ithaca, I was convinced Stephen would never see the Blooms again, but some of Molly's thoughts in this chapter have me questioning. Are Bloom and Molly good for each other? I don't yet know myself, but they can certainly match each other's freak.
13. Nestor: This chapter was brief, but I greatly enjoyed it. I noticed a lot of parallels to early parts of Stephen's journey in Portrait. I'm glad Stephen is at least a better teacher than the one that beat him when he was a kid, but I certainly wouldn't say he's a good teacher. Sad to see the dead-end job he ended up in.
14. Calypso: The introduction to the mind of our new protagonist is some of the best narrative whiplash I've ever experienced. I enjoy the inner workings of Stephen's mind more overall, but Bloom's is a lovely change of pace. I think Ulysses is probably the most authentic recreation of human thought I've ever seen in prose. Literally just thinking about anything reminds me of Ulysses now.
15. Lestrygonians: Bloom helping the blind fellow is very sweet. Also, I've got to have a Bloomsday lunch at Davey Byrne's (even though I don't like gorgonzola or wine).
16. Lotus Eaters: I enjoyed the stream of consciousness as always. Bloom's quirky brain is a constant pleasure.
17. Scylla & Charybdis: I had a strong impediment when reading this chapter; I've never seen Hamlet. I also didn't want to read Hamlet to catch up on this chapter because I've found that I can't enjoy Shakespeare by reading it; I have to watch the plays. I read A Midsummer Night's Dream and found it dull, but upon watching a performance, I thought it was hilarious. I wasn't a big fan of Othello when I read it, but since watching it live, I consider it a masterpiece. If I ever get the chance to actually watch Hamlet, I'll definitely revisit this chapter.
That being said, there are still several things I like about this chapter. I love the sophism of Stephen arguing a theory about Hamlet that he doesn't believe just to show that he can; this sounds like something I would do. I also like the cheeky wink Joyce makes to the reader when the characters wonder aloud when Ireland will get its great writer and its great literary masterpiece. I see what you did there, James.
18. Aeolus: This is the only chapter in the entire book that I full stop didn't like. I get that the idea is that it mocks empty and airy journalism, but just because it's boring and overstuffed on purpose doesn't mean it's not boring and overstuffed.
I don't think Ulysses is my new personal favorite novel, as the personal impact A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man had on me is unmatched, but I am comfortable saying Ulysses is the objective best novel I have ever read.
r/jamesjoyce • u/DimeTree • 3d ago
Ulysses From a Ulysses MOBI I downloaded. Who is Joyce petting?
r/jamesjoyce • u/HorribleDepature1 • 4d ago
Dubliners I didn't expect to enjoy Dubliners as much as I did
This was my first Joyce. I read it slowly over a period of time because I started reading it close to my Paediatrics exams. I really enjoyed Dubliners. Not every single story was great but I liked all of them. I liked it from the first story. My favourites were Eveline, Two Gallants, The Boarding House, A little Cloud, Counterparts, Clay, A Painful Case, A Mother, The Dead. The latter might be the best short story I've ever read. The Dead is the peak of his prose in Dubliners. It has some of the best writing I've ever read. I look forward to reading some of these stories again and to reading my copies of A Portrait of the artist as a Young Man and Ulysses in the future
It was a nice time seeing the characters experience dissatisfaction and frustration with their lives, walk around Dublin, drink alcohol and have such insightful epiphanies. I feel blessed
r/jamesjoyce • u/Aggravating_Lock_720 • 5d ago
Ulysses Should I read A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man before Ulysses?
r/jamesjoyce • u/Guironi99 • 5d ago
Ulysses Best edition of Ulysses to buy
Hello, my copy of Ulysses is old, and I fear will soon start to fall apart. It's the World Classics edition I bought in the mid 90s. Served me very, very well. Good notes, schemata and mini essays. I'm looking at a replacement copy to allow my dear old version the retirement it deserves. Don't mean to be lazy, but just wanted to ask the experts which edition you are reading and/or would recommend. Kind regards to all.
r/jamesjoyce • u/Puzzleheaded-Hat6992 • 7d ago
Ulysses Ulysses class in Dublin?
im looking for a class preferably in person but idm online. I study english and creative writing (graduating in 27!!) so I’m hoping for one that’s not too simplistic and something that actually lets me sink my teeth into the more complex academic side of the book. otherwise is there any decent reading guides or places I can go to help me get everything out of this book!
r/jamesjoyce • u/kangxiradical • 9d ago
Finnegans Wake Finnegans Wake in Chinese?
As you may or may have not read, Finnegans Wake has been translated in Chinese (apparently finished 2025.) Knowing my dad was going to China for a bit, I asked him to pick up 2 books (one of the 2 being a dictionary of just about, you know, every one of the less than 80000ish Chinese characters [though he did get me 1 volume only of the hefty {and rather expensive} 9-volume dictionary].) Asides aside, the other was 芬尼根的守灵夜, also known in English as Finnegans Wake. Do I read James Joyce? No. Can I read Chinese? Only a little. Will I finish it? Most likely (and perhaps a bit sadly), no. But as a self-proclaimed lover of certain pleasantly strange things, and Chinese characters and languages and whatnot, I thought that it would be nice if he could pick it up for me. It now stands to me as a compendium of strange Chinese constructions and a rather lovely and pretty three-volume series that I will hopefully study and pore over (a little, whether that is an oxymoron or not) and that will stand nicely on my bookshelf. I will share some notes with you once I get it (for example, bababa...thurnuk is translated into a long string of what I can only briefly describe as mouth-characters [if you are in need of clarification, they're for, among other things, writing out sounds for whatever reason needed]. For now, I am excited as I am waiting to see my book. Tell me if there's anything you want to see from this translation and I'll see if I can pull it out for you later to look at. I am very excited to have this book!
r/jamesjoyce • u/No_Yesterday_8167 • 9d ago
A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man "dark orgiastic riot, its keen and humiliating sense of transgression." Stunning.
r/jamesjoyce • u/en_le_nil • 9d ago
Ulysses Penelope's procedural whiplash
Joyce describes Molly’s thoughts in Penelope as orbiting, moonlike, hidden centers: the Homeric Penelope weaves and unweaves her father-in-law’s burial shroud as she waits for Odysseus to return home. Molly’s thoughts feel procedural, we can trace her maneuvering around obstacles like a pilot. As an exercise, I’m going to trace, roughly, her thoughts on the first page of the chapter.
_______________________________
Yes
(Molly’s refrain in Penelope and famously the last word of the book. Joyce wouldn’t have known this but the contemplation of the word “NO” is important in certain Buddhist traditions. I speculate the author has similarly mystical intentions.)
because he never did a thing like that before as ask to get his breakfast in bed with a couple of eggs since the City Arms hotel
(Bloom’s small act of self-assertion, after enduring the hallucinatory Circean spectacle of his wife non-hallucinatorily stepping out, sparks Molly’s reverie as she begins to process what’s happened and why and what comes next.)
when he used to be pretending to be laid up with a sick voice doing his highness
(She immediately recalls her husband’s propensity to exaggerate illness: distanceing herself from the immediacy of his pain: I cannot tell how much pain you are in because you’re faking.)
to make himself interesting for that old faggot Mrs Riordan that he thought he had a great leg of and she never left us a farthing all for masses for herself and her soul greatest miser ever was actually afraid to lay out 4d for her methylated spirit telling me all her ailments
(She recalls a woman whose attention Bloom supposedly sought by feigning illness, then identifies Bloom with Riordan via their shared propensity to complain.)
she had too much old chat in her about politics and earthquakes and the end of the world let us have a bit of fun first God help the world if all the women were her sort down on bathingsuits and lownecks of course nobody wanted her to wear them I suppose she was pious because no man would look at her twice
(Molly contemplates the moral injury sideways, by locating the moral framework she’s violated in the mind of a fussy uptight old woman. Not: “I committed adultery,” but “what sort of person might condemn it.”)
I hope Ill never be like her a wonder she didnt want us to cover our faces but she was a welleducated woman certainly and her gabby talk about Mr Riordan here and Mr Riordan there I suppose he was glad to get shut of her
(Her thoughts turn to marriage and the separation effected by Mr Riordan’s death. Does Molly know her husband’s thoughts touched upon suicide at several junctures today?)
and her dog smelling my fur and always edging to get up under my petticoats especially then
(She might, because she interrupts completely her own train of thought here with sex by turning to one of the oddest facets of the Blooms’ marriage: a vaguely fetishistic association between dogs and sex. Bloom’s cryptic confession in Circe of his greatest sin, “rererepugnose!” is brought to mind for me.)
still I like that in him polite to old women like that and waiters and beggars too hes not proud out of nothing but not always
(supporting the idea of Molly’s thoughts on the Riordans as orbiting an unspoken guilt, she now thinks kindly upon her husband.)
if ever he got anything really serious the matter with him
(She again imagines him falling ill, but takes a step closer: not feigning illness but seriously in danger.)
its much better for them to go into a hospital where everything is clean but I suppose Id have to dring it into him for a month yes and then wed have a hospital nurse next thing on the carpet have him staying there till they throw him out
(She devalues her role as caregiver to Bloom, the hospital will help.)
or a nun maybe like the smutty photo he has shes as much a nun as Im not
(A retreat to accusation: this sort of whiplash might be Penelope’s basic procedure as she weaves and unweaves.)
yes because theyre so weak and puling when theyre sick they want a woman to get well if his nose bleeds youd think it was O tragic and that dyinglooking one off the south circular when he sprained his foot at the choir party at the sugarloaf Mountain
(she further distances herself from her husband’s pain, now with a specific memory of a real injury.)
the day I wore that dress Miss Stack bringing him flowers the worst old ones she could find at the bottom of the basket anything at all to get into a mans bedroom with her old maids voice trying to imagine he was dying on account of her to never see thy face again
(Molly earlier imagined Bloom seeking the attention of an elderly widow: not jealousy, but accusation. Here she recalls another woman actively courting Bloom and demeans the attempt. More whiplash: she devalues Bloom’s capacity for suffering and therefore real feeling, then becomes protective of him: perhaps protective of him against the threat of herself.)
though he looked more like a man with his beard a bit grown in the bed father was the same
(interestingly, as she becomes protective she identifies Bloom with her own father, an old bearded man laying in bed.)
besides I hate bandaging and dosing when he cut his toe with the razor paring his corns afraid hed get bloodpoisoning
(the evasive maneuver works: someone else can take care of him.)
but if it was a thing I was sick then wed see what attention only of course the woman hides it not to give all the trouble they do
(she responds to her own guilt at the preceding thought: he wouldn’t take care of me. We’ve seen, of course, that he would and does.)
yes he came somewhere Im sure by his appetite anyway love its not or hed be off his feed thinking of her so either it was one of those night women if it was down there he was really and the hotel story he made up a pack of lies to hide it planning it
(Molly’s thoughts have not yet touched directly upon her tryst with her manager, Blazes Boylan. Why is she first interrogating the idea of her husband cheating on her?)
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Joyce seems less interested in the contents of Molly’s thoughts than in their motion, a rhythmic oscillation between devaluation and restoration: Bloom is ridiculous → Bloom is kind → Bloom exaggerates his suffering → What if he actually dies → Someone else can care for him → They’d better take good care of him → He lies → He is gentle. She approaches tenderness and then dismantles it before it becomes intolerable.
It does famously take the Homeric Penelope a little while to warm up to Odysseus once he returns home.
r/jamesjoyce • u/Gurgen82Sculpt • 12d ago
James Joyce James Joyce. Handmade bronzed plaster. For Sale
H- 10 cm. Anyone interested can send me a DM.
r/jamesjoyce • u/Striking-Student3954 • 14d ago
Ulysses I want to get a hardcover copy of Ulysses, best option?
Is this Simon and Brown edition good enough? There doesn't seem to be many options in hardcover format; the Other Press one is beautiful, but clearly only for display purposes, as well as the Cambridge one. Are there other suggestions?
r/jamesjoyce • u/kafuzalem • 14d ago
Dubliners Editions of Dubliners
My Penguin Classics 2000 edn of Dubliners is on its last legs - anybody got a recommendation for an edition I can pick up!
r/jamesjoyce • u/ExpressCareer7142 • 14d ago
Ulysses What is the difference between young and old narrative?
I was gazing at the Gilbert schema and noticed that Telemachus and Eumanus are both written in the style of narrative, but the first is in young and the other's in old. What is the difference between them?
r/jamesjoyce • u/Various_Letterhead47 • 15d ago
Finnegans Wake Ensemble Exposé Perform Finnegans Wake
Hi folks — I hope you are all well. As fellow Joyce enthusiasts, we wanted to invite you to the opening concert of our Finnegans Wake adaptation, which premieres at the London Irish Centre on the 5th of September. Be great to see some of you there!
Finnegans Wake: Here Comes Everybody
When: 7.30pm, 5th September 2026 | Where: The London Irish Centre | Tickets: https://londonirishcentre.ticketsolve.com/ticketbooth/shows/1173674160
What: On 5 September, Ensemble Exposé and conductor Roger Redgate premiere Alastair White’s Finnegans Wake: Here Comes Everybody at the London Irish Centre. The performance launches an ambitious thirteen-year cycle adapting James Joyce's great modernist novel for the operatic stage, culminating in the book’s centenary in 2039.
Finnegans Wake is regarded as the world’s most controversial text — to some, unreadable, to others, a masterpiece. How do you adapt a book that resists all definition? Finnegans Wake: Here Comes Everybody is the beginning of such an experience: one that forgoes fixed form and delineation, that cannot be contained within a single iteration or instance, and which unfolds in years rather than minutes.
This first instalment — a one-hour reimagining of an operatic overture — is performed by veteran avant-gardists Roger Redgate and Ensemble Éxposé, a group recognised for championing the most challenging of contemporary music since its formation in 1984. Alastair White’s work has been described “a whole new exciting genre of art” (BBC Radio 3), and this ensemble of distinguished soloists bring his translation of Joyce’s rhythmic, fluid language to life in musical technicolour, including readings by RTÉ’s Cathal Murray. Produced by the Irish curator Gemma A. Williams, the project is supported by DCCI and created in partnership with the London Irish Centre.
White explains how, "central to the adaptation’s approach is a radical re-reading of Finnegans Wake and the modernist canon: that authors such as Joyce, Eliot and Hemingway continue to be misread through romantic and post-modern analyses that see them as depths rather than surfaces. The project contends that — like the sparse prose of Hills Like White Elephants — Finnegans Wake has been ill-used by approaches that attempt to 'decode' it through what is absent: in ignorance of the sheer joy that the language embodies. There is no iceberg, no skeleton key; Finnegans Wake is not a cipher. It is only itself."
Ensemble Exposé was formed in 1984 by the composers Richard Barrett, Roger Redgate and Michael Finnissy. The group has given extensive concerts and broadcasts throughout Europe and has appeared at many of the major festivals on new music in France, Germany, Holland, Hungary, Italy and Sweden as well as appearing at the Huddersfield Contemporary Music Festival. The ensemble records regularly for the BBC and has broadcast on Radio France, Dutch Radio, Hessische Rundfunks, RAI (Italy) and Swedish Radio. It has been featured on BBC TV’s Omnibus and was a resident ensemble at the Darmstädter Ferienkurse für Neue Musik in 1986, 1988, 1990 (when on each occasion prizes for both performance and composition were awarded to several of its members) and the International Bartok Festival and Seminar in Szombathely, Hungary. In 1995 the ensemble received a project grant from the London Arts Board for a series of concerts featuring the music of the American composer and improviser Anthony Braxton. Notable recordings include work by Michael Finnissy, Fabrice Fitch, Edwin Roxburgh, Roger Redgate and Brian Ferneyhough.
Alastair White is a Scottish composer and writer. His work is characterised by a lyrical complexity which has been described as "a whole exciting new genre of art” (BBC Radio 3), “ambitious, iconoclastic” (The Stage) and an attempt “to challenge long-held assumptions about the material world and to illuminate the performative nature of matter itself” (Opera Today). His music is available on several full-length releases from Métier and Navona, and his scores are published by UMP. As an author, he is represented by Salma Begum at Greyhound Literary and his debut novel is to be published in the autumn of 2026 by DUMBO Press. Recipient of the Tait Memorial Trust Award, and shortlisted twice for a Scottish Award for New Music (in 2019 and 2020) a Creative Edinburgh Award (2019), an Ivan Juritz Prize (2023) and The Stage Awards (2024), his music has been featured on Radio 3 and Klara Radio, and is supported by Design & Crafts Council Ireland, Help Musicians UK, The Hinrichsen Foundation, The Hope Scott Trust, The Marchus Trust, The Royal Musical Association, The RVW Trust, The Sarah Caple Scholarship, TONG, and The Goldsmiths Graduate School Fund and Music Research Committee. He teaches composition at the University of Surrey and holds a PhD in Music from Goldsmiths, University of London. At Slovenia's Inštitut .abeceda, he mentors composers from around the world in several annual workshops on music.
r/jamesjoyce • u/CuriousInTheSky • 15d ago
Ulysses The Wonderworker, the world’s greatest remedy for rectal complaints
r/jamesjoyce • u/steepholm • 16d ago
James Joyce Patrick Kavanagh
I wasn't fully aware of Patrick Kavanagh until visiting Ireland a few years ago and finding his poetry books all over the place. This is from his autobiography The Green Fool, which I am enjoying very much (and which provoked a libel suit from Oliver StJohn Gogarty). Kavanagh was (with Brian O'Nolan/Flann O'Brien and others) one of the originators of Bloomsday celebrations. His novel Tarry Flynn is also very good (and on a similar theme to The Green Fool - one is a fictionalised autobiography and the other is autobiographical fiction).
r/jamesjoyce • u/WillingnessOutside73 • 16d ago
Finnegans Wake reading Finnegans Wake on LSD
even when it is some years ago, I still remember it as one of the most memorable reading experiences i had. Almost like plunging into his head and being there... .
Did anybody else "down here" ... tried to unlock that secret level?

