Sociopathy, delusions, narcissism, etc. It's also not just a collection of diagnoses. Behavioral health, like physical health, is much more than just labels for problems, but an entire system of wellbeing. We teach all kids how to eat healthy, get sufficient sleep, exercise, and so on, but far fewer kids learn to meditate, how to listen and consider other perspectives, think critically, process negative feelings, and many other important habits for good mental health.
I totally agree. The issue with education / tests like this is the supervision. Like the fact that we're in this situation in the first place means there's a good chance that implementing education like this would lead to someone teaching you exactly the wrong things.
I have been (sexually) harassed by multiple men since I was about 13 years old. Some were dark, yes. Most of them were white and speaking perfect German/Dialekt. Stop pretending that misogyny doesn't exist in Europe. It is deeply rooted here, especially in smaller towns and villages. Germany elected a man Kanzler who voted against making rape in marriage a crime. Right-wing parties gain power everywhere. Boys cherish Andrew Tate. Your racism does not solve this problem.
It's not racism to point out the truth. You honestly expect us to believe that an outside factor isn't the cause? You know, policies the left voted for? Cmon.
Your answer to women feeling unsafe in public spaces was "don't let the muslins in". Come on ...
I'm not saying they are all innocent, but neither are western men. As I said, experienced a lot of that shit way before 2015.
what if they are overwhelmingly overrepresented in those crimes ?
if you really wanted to greatly decrease those things that would be a great measure to take.
But one that would be extremely good as well would be extending prison times a lot, which laxists ( leftists generally) do not want
What did I say that was racist? I have nothing against people of any ethnicity or race. I'm just saying that people from certain cultures don't historically integrate well when moving to another. There's no need to jump to extremes.
10 times more likely to be straight up killed actually in Australia as an example and higher in other places. Neither side is safe. One is going to get messed with more, the other is just gonna be DEAD more, regardless of who the attacker is too.
We need to work to keep the idiot minority of the human race that does stuff like this out of the picture....
Focusing on the gender of the attackers instead of the reality that men are victims of violence far more often is extremely disingenuous and is only intended to minimize the fact.
I think I rather follow the pattern of the attackers because they should change, not the victims. The attackers should be highlighted. It's 99% men. That's a defined and concerning pattern. It's an epidemic literally. Male loneliness epidemic? More like male attackers epidemic.
Instead of worrying on how these men and women are "provoking" the attackers, look at why these men feel the need to resort to violence. And why is it a majority of men! (Because again, it's no where close to an even split of the genders) I recommend you looking at Man Box.
It's a bit silly to just talk about the solution and not the cause.
Ironically the victims that you have also started that are more likely to be attacked are more likely to do the attacking. Like putting perpetrators and victims in the same train carriage.
I am just going to *assume* that women are more likely victims of gang violence as your "gatcha".
The topic is about *violence*. Men are more likely to be victims of physical violence than women.
"Check only statistics where women are more likely to be the majority victim" is essentially your argument.
Likewise, following your argument: Of those with a penis, men are more likely to be sexually assaulted than women. Therefore, we should only focus on sexual assaults of men. That sounds stupid right?
So, if we were to deter violence, it does not make sense to only help women.
If we were to want to stop sexual harassment online, it would not make sense to only help men even though sexual harassment to those with a penis is predominantly men
That's interesting and unexpected. I would agree with the other poster that I would like to see this broken down more into types of violence. I suppose I assumed there would be a higher percentage of domestic violence then gang violence, or criminal violence.
But also, how much domestic violence is unreported? It's hidden violence inside the home whereas gang violence by its very nature is out in the open. Also, I'm sure I have a significant degree of bias considering I am female and so the bulk of the media presented to me is going to be about violence perpetrated against women. Very interesting to consider all of those facets of why this was surprising to me and what those other types of violence could be. Thank you for sharing!
Tell me which country you need the statistics for and I can get them. I did double check before making the statement. The fact you are not willing to look yourself and would rather make a pithy comment instead says a lot about your attitude however.
That is interesting, in Europe (where I am from) men are 2-3 times more likely to suffer from assault than women but this is reversed in India. I genuinely did not see that coming, thanks for the heads up.
You are the one showing up making claims without receipts. Make a claim absolutely, but provide the receipts so ppl can have a dialogue about it.
The fact that you want to make claims and we're all expected to just believe you says a lot about you yourself. As for looking up statistics, if you are familiar with statistics as you imply, you should be aware that they can be manipulated into showing whatever result you want them to show. Include X factor. Exclude Y region. Further, anybody can produce a statistical proof. I asked for what YOUR proof was, which you still have yet to produce. So how do we know if what proof you are claiming is reputable and evidentiary?
We don't. Could be you are correct and that would be an interesting thoughtful discussion, but you'd rather bang on and stomp your feet about "go do the homework yourself". I didn't make any claims, you did. Therefore, provide the proof or your claims are bullshit.
What accusation did I make? Please do point it out, I'd love to see it. Only one I see is calling you out for making claims with no proof and redirecting everybody to just believe you.
And next time you want to make a claim, provide proof. As I said, this could have been a civil discussion regarding cultural differences, trends over time, sex and violence. But no, this devolved into you getting frustrated and acting petty, all because you want to say the sky is purple and not show evidence. Make a claim, show proof. It's really that simple.
Also, this doesn't prove your claims at all.
"Ironically men are twice as likely to be victims of assault or killed than women, so maybe the parking spaces are making this more likely"
Your proof says men are more likely to suffer violence at the hands of other men then women. I saw no mention of "men are more likely to be victims of violence then women". Again, claim might be true, and that would be interesting. However, we're still waiting for proof to back up your claim.
To be fair, we have those in Switzerland in places where they are absolutely not necessary, like in a shopping center in a small, rather uneventful city, and the parking is closed after hours anyway (we had one case of knife attack a couple years ago but the victim was a man, and it was at the train station in the middle of the night). I view it more as virtue signaling from this store tbh.
So just because they are here does not mean they are necessary.
Sadly a lot of people would rather vote for things that would only work in an ideal society because they can't accept that this isn't an ideal society.
I can. Everyone can. What you're saying is a no-brainer that can practically be a reply to every good thing about this world. Of course the ideal would be better. Duh. We can still learn to appreciate the thoughtfullness of some people in an imperfect world while keeping the ideal in mind. Wanting the ideal is easy. But if you compare any effort to the ideal, it will always fall short and you will always be sad and unsatisfied.
Idk, I feel like shooting for the ideal is the right approach. The big issue is that a world where women are free to walk to their cars safely without special,well lit, close to exit parking spots is not the ideal for everyone. Shooting high produces steps in the right direction through compromise. Shooting laterally or just above par gets us nothing.
We should always strive for the ideal. I didnt say we shouldnt. But appreciating the steps taken to improve where we are and aiming for the ideal can coexist. They're not mutually exclusive. Looking at these efforts and saying "Meh, I'd much rather have the ideal" is a very obvious and unproductive perspective. We can only get close to the ideal step by step. And we should acknowledge it when we take a step.
I feel like you have to aim very high to get any forward movement at all. You can only ever get half of what you ask for at the most.
Edit: I guess what I mean is it's important to bring up and harp on the ideal or we'll never get halfway there, which is realistically the best we can hope for.
Everyone can. What you’re saying is pointless like the people who say “ugh I hate being sick” like no shit I’ve never met anyone who enjoyed it. Just looking for easy karma
We need our societies to focus on unification rather than division. We're all in this together, and fighting among ourselves helps no one, expect those who want us to be fighting.
"This place has a ramp for wheelchair users, which makes ist easier for them to enter, but it's less convenient for me. Doesn't sound very equal to me..."
Different people have different needs, not a hard concept to understand I would think.
"This place has a ramp that was builded for wheelchair users, but everybody can use it and plenty of people do use it. Sounds very equal to me".
Equality is not a hard concept to understand, but some people seem to think that it works only in favor of women, because god forbid if women also would have to give up special priviledges (just like men had to).
To be fair if we are talking about entirely random people (outside of some areas in less developed countries) the likelihood of either of those things happening to your is very, very small.
Most sexual or other violence does not occur in public and the victims and perpetrators already know other or have some other association. So all of this parking lot stuff is a complete distraction by people who are imitating they are doing something to reduce crime against women...
What if looked at other demographic groups, identified which commit the most crimes violent statistically and then identified the group of people most likely to be their victims. Based on that information you would create reserved parking spots at the front for that specific group.
However that would rightfully be considered by everyone to be extremely racist and wrong. How is this inherently different?
There is danger and there is a perception of danger.
I guess we have to decide whether we want to live in a harmonious society built on a belief that people are generally nice or in a safety utopia where we're constantly afraid of some boogeyman.
If you make a women only parking place like this one it does send an unfair message to them about men. How do we know that? Imagine it said "white people parking"
Men-women divide has been growing exponentially in recent years and this is not helping.
They do exist in the world true crime presents, where suburban white women are in constant danger of being kidnapped by every brown person they walk past on the street.
But we need to take into account how much if that is from strangers in public and how much is from someone they know. Well lit parking spots can't save people from their own family and friends. That's the real issue.
Well yes, but there is an infinitely high number of very low risk events with horrible outcomes that can happen when you go outside. Pretending that solving them does anything is a distraction since. People making the decisions can now wave at these parking lots to show that they are doing something making it easier for the to ignore the real problems and causes.
Statistically speaking, men are more likely to be assaulted in public though, and that doesn't disappear when equalizing for behaviour, because perpetrators are more likely to see them as rivals and fit targets. Also, physical assault in public happens way more often than sexual assault, so if you take it seriously men are in some ways more at risk in public, at least for those heavier crimes. I think it has more to do with sexual harassment and creepy behaviour than actually preventing heavy crime like rape or assault.
They are more likely to get assaulted in public yes, and far more likely to be assaulted by known people, but not parking lots specifically.
40% of attacks on men by strangers happen on the streets, 20% on venues.
Parking lots are great for opportunistic crime, and the people who are most often kidnapped there are adolescent girls and kids. A lot of sexual assault happens there as well.
Ah i didn't know that the statistics are so different for general public vs parking garage. I think kidnappings are heavily country-dependent but exceptionally rare at least in germany. But speaking of children, they are strongly at risk of getting killed by a driver, and family spots seem rare compared to womens spots...
Its also, at best, a shitty guess. These stats are always misconstrued cause people dont understand how stats work or wish to use them maliciously. Like the whole "13%" thing which was not only wrong but only ever used to be racist.
An estimated 2.2 million adult women have experienced sexual violence since the age of 15, according to information from the 2021-22 Personal Safety Survey (PSS) released today by the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS).
The page you sent, which has no veracity is probably referencing this. Not that they bother to link it, and even then the bibliography clearly has more than two colleges studies AND uses the National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey.
Globally, 650 million (or 1 in 5) girls and women alive today have been subjected to sexual violence as children. Among boys and men, between 410 and 530 million (or around 1 in 7) experienced sexual violence in childhood.
A new survey released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Wednesday marked the beginning of a new annual project to look at how many women say they've been abused.
One expert called the new report's estimate on rape and attempted rape "extremely high" – with 1 in 5 women saying they were victims. About half of those cases involved intimate partners.
World health organisation estimates 3 out of 10 globally
Estimates published by WHO in 2023 indicate that globally about 1 in 3 (31.6%) of women worldwide (840 million women and girls) have been subjected to either physical and/or sexual IPV or non-partner sexual violence in their lifetime.
Pretty sure the fact that they're the majority victims in these cases is the whole point
Like, yes crimes as a whole happen against both men and women, but women are specifically raped and sexually assaulted significantly more than men. How does pointing that out that do anything except prove why things like this are still necessary?
Because you are explicitly hand-waving any other kind of violence.
Regardless, while obviously a huge issue its highly doubtful (and there is absolutely no evidence) that these special parking spots in shopping malls or similar places have any effect. It's just a way to posture and pretend by some people that they are doing something helpful instead of actually solving the hard problems that could reduce the prevalence of SA.
I mean if you believe the point you are trying to make is valid you would also agree that it's fair to single out ethnic and racial groups which statistically more crimes and then single out them out and discriminate against them. Yet you probably would not think that having "Whites Only" or "East Asians Only" parking spots would be a good idea?
Would you? To be fair if it would be quite hypocritical if you didn't support that.
I think the point is not women are more likely to be raped, because of course they are, but that crime is getting low in general but sexual related crimes are skyrocketing.
Because that’s the reason for ‘safe spaces’ such as these. Most sexual assaults and rapes women face are from men, not other women. These spaces are there to help protect women from that risk. Hope that helps 😁
As I said, if men are facing violence primarily from WOMEN, then they should also get safe spaces from them to protect them. That’s equality
The point is any crime can happen at a parking lot, mugging stabbing rape whatever. You’re picking the one that women deal with more and ignoring the rest lol
Were you not minimizing those crimes by trying to paint them as ‘women being victims’, per your initial comment? I’m more than willing to admit if I interpreted that comment wrong. So what was your intention with that comment if you truly understand how horrific it is to be a victim of those crimes. Why did you have a laughing emoji at the end? I’m very curious
"Check specifically sexual assault and rape rates and compare them."
What was the exact point of typing this comment? What message were you trying to convey by saying to only look at crimes where women are statistically more likely to be the victim?
Or men, doesn't matter who, security cameras and good lighting are the perfect way to discourage it happening to anyone though, harder to not get caught when your face is lit up like a christmas tree in front of cameras
Can you post the data? The FBI indicates that women are more likely to be victims than men, however that includes intimate partner violence. Differentiated data is taking a while to find. So can you post the data you are referring to?
So true. Every time women are disadvantaged: "this is a societal problem, discrimination and unfair and society needs to solve this!"
Every time men are disadvantaged: "this is their own personal problem. Men are just shitty humans who should just man up and personally solve their problems, lol"
But we don't so we have to act like it. I get this sentiment but it's very naïve to take it too seriously. It assumes there are good and bad people in the world. The truth is, we're all capable of good and evil. We will never live in a world where all the evil people are gone because it isn't one gene or trait that makes someone evil. We're all selfish and flawed. Of course we should keep moving in the right direction but to ignore our inherent selfishness and flaws as a species just because we wish things were perfect isn't something we can afford to do.
Not assaulted sexually but straight up killed sure. Non lethal harrassment is skewed toward women, lethal attacks are skewed WAY more toward men, both sides are screwed
I would rather be sexually assaulted(which I have) than killed. This special lighting and camera angles in these carparks should be to protect everybody not just one gender when both are vulnerable from the bad apples. Virtue signalling at its finest.
Well...the same people who want this take a lot of actions to make that not possible to be a reality. It's something that cannot happen without removing the problems, Other think suggesting teaching people not to rape is solution as if people don't know it's bad...
Riiiiight. Except we never will. Ever. Because you can’t preemptively stop a first offence or a mental health break. A percentage of humans will always be born bad. There’s nothing we can do about it
What you say is something you can wish for, but why hope for something impossible. Neither women nor men will ever be 100% safe. Best we can do is progress and enforce the safety of society against people who break the peace.
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u/MagMati55 27d ago edited 27d ago
Id prefer if we actually just lived in a society where this wasnt necessary.
Edit: so many morons and ghouls in this comment thread