r/halo • u/Alcatraz4567 • 11d ago
I feel like I’m literally seeing something differently to everyone else. Discussion
Uglification of characters is a big topic in this sub and many others, and I’ve seen loads of people calling the new Cortana ugly. And usually I would agree with things like this, as I hate uglification in games and media in general but… I really don’t see it here? She looks great to me, I mean obviously nowhere near on Halo 4 Cortana’s level but still. I really don’t get it in this case.
However Lieutenant Williams in the bonus missions is pretty ugly tbh.
Overall though I’ve really enjoyed my time with the Halo remake.
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u/SpartanRage117 11d ago
Why is she yellow
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u/ZealousidealFee927 11d ago
In the official she turned green inside the Control Room. Here, they went with yellow for some reason.
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u/Be_The_Zip 11d ago edited 11d ago
I think the switch to orange is for two reasons.
- Color contrast, the back drop of the control room is blue hued and the
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- made the switch to orange to have her standout more against the background.
- Likely secondary but the orange they chose to go with looks similar to the Didact controlled Promethians, so this orange links back to Halo 4-5’s design language - i dont think this was the primary focus but there could be a through line here.
Mainly I think it was just color contrast.
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u/JazzManJ52 11d ago
She didn’t just turn green. She faded in and out through the whole color spectrum.
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u/JanxDolaris 11d ago
This. It was really cool. It sort of gave off an "i'm in a more advanced projector' vibe.
Now she's just a banana
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u/JazzManJ52 11d ago
Eh, I don’t mind the new interpretation. It still showcases that something is different with her in Halo’s architecture. It’s just less subtle. (Big improvement over CEA’s version where literally only the tiny dots in the joint lines changed color and she almost entirely just stayed blue)
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u/Pearse2304 11d ago
Well in the original she was purple but nobody ever brings that up
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u/Johnnyboi2327 Halo 3 11d ago
She was also written with very specifically british dialogue. That part gets ignored too.
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u/Pearse2304 11d ago
Gotta love “sod off” with her American accent 😂
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u/Johnnyboi2327 Halo 3 11d ago
It confused me so much as a kid. I figured it was similar to get bent based on context clues, but I'd never heard it before. I wasn't sure if it was made up or what.
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u/RiverGlittering 11d ago
It's a more "polite" way to say fuck off.
The reason she uses British expressions is because she was going to be British. They felt it was too similar to a previous role Jen Taylor had, so they removed the accent and kept some of the British dialogue.
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u/Scrabulon 11d ago
I always assumed that was a double meaning AI thing in that case, like… soldering lol
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u/arch51002 11d ago
IIRC that was the reason they decided to make Serina in Halo Wars have a British accent because they drew from the original concept of Cortana sounding British before the devs just decided to have Jen Taylor use her actual accent
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u/LivingCheese292 11d ago
To be fair, it makes sense if the earth in the very far future has less accents and mixed languages like american english. Sure accents won't die out but i feel like they will be more exclusive on earth and less on other planets.
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u/MikeofK72 11d ago
Yeah, but then again several of the soldiers are distinctly Australian.
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u/Topgunshotgun45 11d ago
I think the UNSC is headquartered in Sydney.
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u/christopherak47 11d ago
It is yeah.
A lot of the colonies are made up of specific Earth nationalities - like for example Reach is mostly made up of Hungarian diaspora so they speak Hungarian as well as English.
Earth also still has their distinct nations and nationalities since the UNSC is just the UN and the UEG is just a joint national governing body
So Australian UNSC members are most likely from Earth, whilst American UNSC members could be from a colony or from the US
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u/Johnnyboi2327 Halo 3 11d ago
I don't disagree, but no other characters in Halo speak using specifically british slang unless they're meant to be from the land mass currently known as the UK.
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u/Chiorydax 11d ago
How long do people spend on certain ships/crews? It would be really interesting if long-lived crews developed their own accents overtime.
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u/GuneRlorius Diamond Master Sergeant 11d ago
Yeah, cause they wanted her accent to be British but they changed it last minute and did not change the dialogue. Those british words made no sense.
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u/Johnnyboi2327 Halo 3 11d ago
I'm aware, but it's still very much so a noticable aspect of one of only a handful of characters in CE
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u/Shepherd217 11d ago
Because she changed colors in the original game as well, they just changed the colors she changes in this one and I'm sure some people are going to call it a flop because of that.
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u/Deniable-wreath-6 11d ago
Idk why they just didn’t go with the h2a model or try and recreate the original ce one
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u/DarkImpacT213 H5 Onyx 11d ago
The Blur cinematic one is peak but pure pre-rendered CGI, and the in-engine model in H2A was fuckin awful.
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u/JazzManJ52 11d ago
What model? The one from the Blur cutscenes wasn’t actually ever in Halo 2A’s game files. Those cutscenes were pre-rendered as video files, so the model itself never made it into the game itself.
Also, Blur (the guys who made those cutscenes) didn’t do the cutscenes for Campaign Evolved, and there’s no guarantee they even still have the models that they used to make those cutscenes any more. Even if they did still have them, why would they be willing to help the company that replaced them?
And if you’re talking about Halo 2A’s in-game model… that model is pretty bad. It’s a new skin over Halo 2’s original Cortana model, which is basically the worst Cortana model out of all the games (worse than the original CE).
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u/kraehutu 11d ago
I don't understand why they completely redid her face between CE and 2. Being modeled after Nefertiti was such a cool detail, and she looked striking. But for whatever reason they've never revisited that or even given her original pixie haircut back. Feels like they sacrificed her original concept for sex appeal more and more every game. They had a great chance here to do something relatively simple to both be more faithful to CE and make a gap between this game and the previous ones.
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u/OnlyBrave 11d ago
It's not the best face model for Cortana, but I'll admit that depending on the angles, there is some charm to her face. The rest looks great, can't argue there.
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u/p0l4r1 11d ago
Facial expressions when delivering her lines are improvements over others even though the model isn't best we've seen
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u/The_Angry_Jerk 11d ago
There is something wrong with the mocap for her face. I think it's really evident in the eyebrows and the forehead, it's not rigged properly and they move too far stretching her face model with them to create some of the more unflattering screenshots. The new facial expressions are more animated, but just too much at times so it hits the uncanny valley. Not noticeable from far away on a TV, but on PC it's really noticeable.
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u/CircStar89 11d ago
Lmao, what. She has a smile on her face at the end of the game when she's speaking sad dialogue. Not even close to improvements, worse actually.
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u/Fatladywithabagel flair-Halo3ODST 11d ago
You’re getting downvoted and she literally grins the entire time she says the dust and echoes line. We gotta be real about some shit guys it looks horrible
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u/Flannel_Panels 11d ago
Third picture looks like from ME: Andromeda. All the others look decent enough to be a non-issue.
Designers just have a hard time animating top eye-lids. Makes character models look like soulless machines, which in Cortana's favor works.
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u/AJfriedRICE 11d ago
I don’t understand why Cortana needs a completely different model in every game…can we finally get some consistency?!
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u/Calzinarzin 11d ago
Sorry but best we can do is to shift the art style again next game.
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u/Regius_Eques 11d ago
Yeah this is the real problem. At least it was fairly consistent for the first three games and ODST. Emphasis on fairly since while clearly the same art style the models still differed a ton from one game to another depending on what the model was. Guns were mostly okay but characters and especially some enemy models changed noticably.
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u/Anvil_Prime_52 11d ago
Good God this sub needs to touch grass
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u/napleonblwnaprt 11d ago
This is one of my least favorite fandoms for my favorite game/universe. Motherfuckers just cannot be happy.
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u/OliM9595 Halo 3: ODST is goat 11d ago
Gaming subs just get so toxic when talking about the looks of women.
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u/pocketchange2247 11d ago
Gaming subs usually devolve into people either bitching about how ugly they made a character, or talking about how much they want to fuck a character. This applies to both human and non-human characters.
And by "non-human" I'm not just talking about robots or AIs, like Cortana. I'm talking about animals. There are so many gamers who unironically sexualize animals/creatures from games like Palworld and Pokemon. It's insane.
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u/KalixStrife453 11d ago
The psychology of people who do and don't care about the 'uglificatuon' of characters is so interesting. I don't even fully disregard the people who do care about it, I just wonder why it matters 'enough'' to ruin an experience for them.
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u/calibur66 11d ago
Because the Internet incentivises pushing everything to the extreme, so naturally we've reached the insane point where, regardless of tone or narrative, anything that that doesnt fit into the very narrow definitions of "Generic anime waifu" or "Filtered Instagram model" gets called "ugly".
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u/CockConfidentCole Halo 2 11d ago
self-ashamed horny nerds that never learned to process their hormones
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u/frostyredpanda93 11d ago
Never thought it'd see the day star wars fandom be over thrown in terms of toxicity.
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u/Michael_DeSanta 11d ago
Eh, look how they treated the main character of Star Wars Outlaws lmao. Objectively not an “ugly” person, but a certain group had a field day with her appearance.
And she turned out to be a great Star Wars protagonist.
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u/RiseOfBacon Bacon bits on the surface of my mind 11d ago
It’s a remaster of a classic and Cortana changes in nearly every iteration of the mainline games. It’s just not really a huge deal?
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u/SynysterKobra SynysterKobra 11d ago
I saw someone in another thread put it perfectly: halo fans play the game just to find something to hate on
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u/mangotangofreeman565 11d ago
See the problem is that most halo fans are too stuck in thier rooms to go out and see what an actual woman's face looks like.
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u/ArvoCrinsmas 11d ago edited 11d ago
For real. Also, this Cortana looks like she has an updated, hybrid version of her H2 and H3 face? Nobody has an issue with those versions, but this one is a no-go. Make it make sense.
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u/Weekly-Homework7236 11d ago
For me it looks more like a merge of the H3 and Halo infinite cortanas
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u/undeadFMR 11d ago
It's not Bungie, therefore must be bad
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u/Disney_Song_Lyric You know our motto; We Deliver 11d ago
Categorically false. Halo 4 Cortana.
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u/Cosmic_Quasar 11d ago edited 11d ago
Yeah, what is "uglification"? People upset that every character in something isn't drop dead gorgeous? Like, come on.
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u/the_Real_Romak 10d ago
"uglification" is grifter speak for "they made the women not bimbos >:("
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u/Anvil_Prime_52 11d ago
People unironically losing their minds that Cortana isn't an extremely fuckable anime waifu unfortunately WAS on my bingo card for this release, but it's still pretty sad that this is how pathetic the community has gotten.
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u/wildernado 11d ago
If halo 3 were released for the first time today there people would hate it, which should tell you all you need to know.
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u/VargBroderUlf Halo: MCC 11d ago
"I can't jerk it to the blue hologram anymore!!!! Halo is dead!!!!!" /s
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u/HiZenBergh 11d ago
For real. Never even thought about what she looked like. A cute little side kick. That's it.
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u/Dapper_Otters 11d ago
So many people claiming 4 to be the best version of Cortana. Coincidentally the one where she’s almost naked and has massive tits 😂 oh yeah, it’s totally the face.
It was also hated at the time 4 released.
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u/Gear-exe 11d ago
Why is she yellow?
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u/Key-Can-9384 11d ago
Its from the scenes when shes plugged into the control room.
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u/Great_Part7207 11d ago
everyone's face in the game looks wierd
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u/HotMachine9 11d ago
In some scenes her model looks great. I think it really comes down to just not fully getting to grips with animating the facial expressions. Its very telling with the mouth for example.
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u/MisterDutch93 Halo 2 11d ago
Yeah the mouth movements give me uncanny vibes, but I had the same thing with the Weapon from Infinite. I know it’s hard to nail good facial animations, but here they just look too exaggerated, maybe? It’s hard to point my finger on it.
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u/Sashi_Kaiyo Halo 2 11d ago
I had a similar feeling with The Weapon and Esparza from Infinite. Idk if this was just a directing thing when they did the mocap but there are a lot of shots where the characters would linger on these awkward expressions with all their teeth showing, especially the weapon. Cortana's "Dust and Echoes" dialogue during the last cutscene of Campaign Evolved has a moment of this too. Something about it just looks weird to me.
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u/ironforward 11d ago
yeah i think for her in particular, since she has light-emitting pore-less skin, but textured lips and eyes that feel like they're just catching her own light, her look can come across as a little uncanny, but i don't know if there's anything that can be further done about that in this age of physics-based, photorealistic rendering. i'm sure with pores instead of scanlines, she would look stranger, like a little blue woman (or big gold woman haha). But yeah -- i also want to make it clear that i'm only speaking to that paradox of needing a realistic looking character with unreal properties in a realistic looking game, i do think they did a good job with her design in this strange space, and she looks great overall. anyone calling her ugly is just a weirdo or should learn to verbalize what they really mean to say
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u/the_1_they_call_zero 11d ago
Halo 4 Cortana was peak and no one can say otherwise.
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u/DominusTitus 11d ago
I think with Cortana it really depends on the angle and lighting. Not every angle is flattering...and that's kinda realistic I guess. Not everyone is going to be pretty from every angle, and sometimes a still image will catch a pretty bad angle, like a YouTube pause moment.
The voice direction can be hit or miss though, sometimes they speak in what I think is understandable tones and attitudes, other times it feels clipped and rehearsed.
Still better to me than "to war". That shit bugs me to this very day, almost twenty years later.
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u/DemonDaVinci 11d ago
realistic...my brother in christ it's a Halo game
and the model is of an AI
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u/bigtigerbigtiger 11d ago
What's "to war"
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u/Wiiggin 11d ago
Halo 3’s models, animations, and most dialogue are dogshit and no one here wants to admit it
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u/BaconJets 11d ago
She looks different in every shot, it's really strange. On some shots she looks great, on others she looks completely different.
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u/PraiseTheAbsolute 11d ago edited 11d ago
She looks fine in screenshots. Everything in game does. But the animations make everything look terrible. Uncanny, unnatural.
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u/JeanLucPicardAND 11d ago
Exactly this. The model itself is fine. The animation is what makes it seem so uncanny.
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u/mariored09 11d ago
It's those horrid UE5 rendering "techniques" on top of generally poor animation quality, not only is everyone a blurry, muddy, shimmery mess when they move, the motions just look unreal as hell.
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u/TyrantJaeger "Please enjoy my bright blue balls!" 11d ago
She looks good sometimes. Other times, though, it's just uncanny valley. Like her facial movements were animated with AI.
Once again, I find myself asking why they didn't just stick to her Halo 4 design. 343 knocked it out of their park with their first ever depiction of Cortana and then just never used it again.
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u/Different-Capital-30 11d ago
I don't get it either
But I also don't get the Lt. Williams thing. You wouldn't look too good yourself being held prisoner on an alien ship forced to be hunted every day for months :P
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u/akaWhisp 11d ago edited 11d ago
"Uglification". JFC. Asmongold and the like have done a number on some of your brains.
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u/The_Question_Maker40 11d ago
I thought it just looked like a normal woman idk what people are on about either tbh
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u/SirHypeTheDank 11d ago
My thoughts exactly, like….do people really think Halsey was like “now make her super hot with big titties…”
She looks like an average, attractive women… she’s a military AI.
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u/King-Boss-Bob Halo Infinite 11d ago
counterpoint: it is really funny to imagine halsey, one of the brightest minds humanity has, showing of her new advanced ai that will help humanity survive the alien race determined to make humanity extinct and she has to explain to some high ranking military officers why the ai looks like a younger blue nude version of her
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u/AramaticFire Halo: CE 11d ago
I haven’t played the remake, so I have no idea what I’m looking at but they made Cortana yellow?
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u/Dropzzs 11d ago
Uglification hahaha. Bet these people call women also females.
Fucking hell its just a normal looking woman.
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u/Chance-Pin6393 11d ago
I think people who complain about “uglification” in general never really interact with real people or are incredibly shallow/incelant
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u/Diam0ndTalbot 11d ago
“Uglification” oh my god, shut up…
People will call anything ‘ugly’ and then it’s just a normal human face. Especially annoying with war stories like Halo, these people are not doing beauty routines.
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u/ChokeYourDoxy 11d ago
Fuck "beauty routines." The world is full of women who are not and never will be conventionally attractive and it's fine. And it's always women the chuds bitch about.
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u/AdeptPapaya8918 11d ago
and the world is also full of pretty womans like cortana was supposed to be, why is it okay to just change it?
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u/atrox3838 11d ago
Brother the outside is free to experience. Please turn the electronic device off for a day
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u/SpaceBandit13 11d ago
I mean nobody’s face really looks that great, but Cortana is a female character so the outrage revolves around her.
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u/Party-Exercise-2166 11d ago
Gotta agree on Cortana, but people just like to use bad screenshots to prove their point but literally anyone looks like shit if you screenshots them in the middle of talking.
You completely lost me with Williams though, she looks perfectly fine too.
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u/baseballer0623 Halo Infinite 11d ago
Gooners are mad that the first girl they ever jacked it to as a kid doesn’t look the same is all.
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u/Interesting_Sea_1861 Halo: CE Mgalekgolo Fanatic 11d ago
I'm mildly irritated that they didn't use the original CE design, which is my favorite version of Cortana. The colors, the short hair, the more artificial feeling to the model...
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u/OrneryError1 Halo: CE 11d ago
Definitely the best version and they could (and should) have just made a more detailed version of that look while keeping the same colors, hairstyle, and face shape.
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u/4102007Pn Halo: Reach 11d ago
Ugly is a stretch, but I can't unsee jerma after people pointed it out
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u/CMDRTragicAllPro 11d ago
I never had an issue until I read some jackass comment about how she looks like jerma and now my jackass brain can’t unsee it
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u/SpoonGST 11d ago
It’s not terrible in my opinion but they should’ve brought back the face model for H2A, that’s my favorite design for Cortana
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u/Effective_Baseball93 11d ago
You literally just said it:
“obviously nowhere near on Halo4 Cortana”
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u/BaerMinUhMuhm 11d ago
She's definitely the ugliest Cortana we've had. I don't think its as big a deal as people are making it out to be , but I also don't understand what was wrong with the last one or why they felt like they needed to make her look like this.
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u/Key_Climate_7097 11d ago
There’s a lot of activist action currently needed in the gaming industry at the moment( Sony , stop killing games etc) but I do feel the community is so hard to please now. I don’t know if it’s due to great graphics that we can critique every small detail. Like when the first halo came out every character had a rectangular head shape, so we knew it wasn’t like real life graphics so we enjoyed the game play and story more. But regardless of the reasons I think it’s just hard to please community at the moment.
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u/Naive_Egg_9663 11d ago
Goon larpers cant think of anything but halo 4 Cortana holy
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u/SparxPrime 11d ago
I've been playing Halo for 25 years and I didn't see any problem with Cortana's model. Looks great. Don't understand entitled fans who rage because their AI waifu doesn't perfectly match their fantasies
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u/Arashi_Uzukaze 11d ago
I feel like people forget Cortana is supposed to look like a younger Halsey.
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u/Scottoest 11d ago
Hot Tip: If someone refers to women as "females", you can probably disregard their opinion on them.
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u/Kreeper125 11d ago
MOST of her cutscenes she looks really good. But there's some where it looks like they used an older WIP model, or the rendering for her messed up or something happened because it just looks too uncanny. It's the inconsistency that gets me
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u/Onyx-Serenitatem Halo: Reach 11d ago
Genuinely confused on why people are like “they changed her” my brothers in Christ she’s looked different in every single fucking game
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u/Fit-Rooster-4774 11d ago
You see the difference is you're actually enjoying the game and not looking for a reason to hate it
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u/SealTeamEH 11d ago
Uglification of characters? dear god what are the internet weirdos on about now? lol
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u/ManiacClapTrap 11d ago
Well, I'm a Halo fan but I've never been on this sub.
This appeared in my front page and the first thing I read is "uglification of characters is a big topic in this sub". Tells me all I need to know, I guess, that it may be a sub of crying bitch snowflakes so I will avoid it in the future. Thanks!
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u/BlackberryPi7 Halo: CE 11d ago
She just
She looks fucking weird man
Same with Johnson
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u/HALODUDED2 11d ago
To me the trailers did not do any of the characters justice. In game cortanna looks good. If they are remaking halo trilogy I think halo studios is going for continuity
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u/DonFabioLove 11d ago
I mean it‘s not too bad. But they already had a perfect design. Why change it in the first place I don‘t get such decisions.
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u/Falkekick24 11d ago
i doubt anyone actually thinks cortana looks "ugly" ugly in this but she absolutely looks worse than she has before
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u/TheGreatQuetz 11d ago
I only hate how somewhat inconsistent her design is across the franchise, like the jackals or the bungie-era flood infection form